Just came here to drop these pics real quick 👀

Dobrý den nejde mi hrát hra zapnu ji dám play a potom už se jenom sekne a napíše mi LowLevelFatalError

Nela Nováková

me too

Kelty

she posted!

Samantha

The full demo is out now. The extras were only behind a paywall when the game was in earlier development.

A

I've been following/supporting since it was still horsegame.exe on youtube years ago

A

how can i pay to get custom jumps and being able to ride Damion and rose on free ride with competions?

Leilani Elford

@Blueberry You're right: it is very simple. I don't understand how some people are surprised that people are cancelling their memberships. This is a pattern that has existed ever since financial investors have been a thing, and the pattern goes as this: Investors don't get what they are paying for and so they stop investing. In this case, there could be some valid and not-so-valid reasons why the dev is not talking to us. Either way, everything is in a holding pattern until she does, including our financial support, because we don't know what's going on.

Cloak

just cancelled my membership too. no point paying to be kept in silence about everything

Kohga

People tried asking. People tried waiting. It resulted in silence. Money is the last bit of “leverage” the community has. It is the answer, when the game was supposed to release over a month ago and we have 0 updates. What does the membership include? Exclusive updates. There have been none. Members are not getting what they are paying for, and therefore are cancelling their memberships. It’s honestly pretty simple.

Blueberry

I gave it 3 weeks from August 2nd to at least hear any kind of update. But I just can't support silence. I said this before and I'll say it again, it was one thing when she went radio silent during the development of her game because we KNEW she was working on it. But now that she's gone radio silent way past any deadline (from the 19th of July, the 31st, to August 2nd), I have also decided to cancel my membership. I'll still play the game if it ever comes out, however, I don't think I'll ever support it financially unless something changes. Over 500 comments on Patreon, hundreds on Instagram, hundreds on Steam, and not a word from the dev. That should say something to paying members.

SourMads

To be honest, she inspired me to continue my programming career after a huge accident. I always thought she is a genius(and she actualy is), but I cant support it anymore. It is definitely not a health/serious life problem, and she didnt just forget about community.

Ginger Bread

canceled my membership, sad that you already made a terrible impression when the game itself hasn’t even came out yet lol - whatever is going on, you could’ve told us and clearly we do not mean that much if you cannot simply take 30 seconds out of your day to type even a “sorry” or “it’ll be out later” - so ridiculous lmao (i’ve been supporting since this “game” has even BEEN on Patreon.) like i said, what a great first impression and IF this game ever comes out- it’s gonna be known as the dev that can’t communicate and also how we as a community got completely shut out. the community won’t forget it, so hats off to you for that one!!!

Kelty

I had seen your comment when you first responded but I have been taking a break, as I said earlier but will respond now. I never said 99% of comments have been hate. In fact, it's a good thing 99% haven't been. Therefore, that doesn't mean there haven't been some comments on a very thin borderline. I too, am more than happy to wait. I was also more than happy to keep supporting, but cannot at the moment. I have some inside knowledge on game development for larger scale companies, and I know game development takes a very long time, and it's a lot for one person. They can get burnout. Which is why I continued to support. But I hated coming to patreon everyday and seeing some borderline rude and almost hateful comments every so often. I had felt some people had not been treating the Dev as a person, and just as "the dev of this game that I pay money to". That's my opinion though. I too, question the silence, but I am not too concerned about it. I hope you can understand my point of view. Thanks.

Aubrey Jones

@A No, I'm talking about Andrew's, not yours. Sorry for the confusion.

Cloak

Regarding the tell people how to spend money part, are you talking about my comment or Andrews?

A

Everyone has a different opinion on what's going on and based on those opinions, we are allowed to make personal decisions about whether we want to keep financially supporting this project. Personally, I have cancelled my membership because I'm not willing to continue funding this project until I know what's going on. There may be a legit reason, but there's also other potential not-so-good reasons. Therefore, I'm going to opt out for now. That's just my personal stance. Also, your comment is dangerously close to trying to tell people how to spend their own money. I'm not sure if that's how you meant to come off as, but it can be interpreted that way. So, please just be mindful of that. I'm not trying to be mean saying that, but I know a lot of people really don't like to be told how to spend their money and that's a hornet's nest that you don't want to step in.

Cloak

There are a ton of games developed by solo devs. We are cancelling our memberships because there has been no communication. I know some cancelled in hopes that the notifications would alert her. She's been online and has chatted and liked different videos but can't take 3 seconds to say "i need more time, see ya" or anything of the sort. ANY communication is better than nothing.

A

ok, I understand why people are mad but the game is ebing made by one person! its okay to be upset but cancelling your membership won't help... however it's okay to do so as it can get expensive. it's okay to be annoyed! i am a little as well as it is a couple weeks past the initial release and it's fustrating but its okay take ur time ! <3

Andrew Williams

just canceled my membership

GhostsWife

i agree, i can not support the lack of communication and unprofessionalism any longer.

freya

same for me...i guess i will also quit it. Maybe/Hopefully she will notice

Jordan

Its really disappointing that shes not communicating with us anymore. Im going to end my membership in september if the game's not out by then ..

Annika

I still don't see 99% of the comments as hate. Disappointment and frustration? Sure. Everyone was confused. The only "hate" I saw was from people defending her and bashing those who commented anything about the situation that wasn't overwhelmingly positive. I do not think people were impatient. I do not think this is a scam. The complete silence of the dev was bound to be questioned by those who supported the project. Being disappointed and expressing those disappointments are not "hate". Of course all of this would of never needed to be said had we heard literally anything from the dev. Everyone here is more than happy to wait, and to resubscribe if we heard from her. We just wanted to know what was going on.

A

Unfortunately I have also canceled my membership. I was holding out hope and was going to continue but my financial situation changed drastically and unexpectedly, and I can no longer support. I had taken a break from making any comments for a while, trying to let the situation of this entire situation simmer. While I would love to continue supporting, I will say now that with it being near a whole month of zero communication when the game is so close to release, it has now become a bit ridiculous. I am still not happy about all of the hate she received at first and the countless ridicules within the first week. But with it being three weeks now, I do believe that people are definitely warranted in their frustration now. However people still could have gone about it better, or worded their comments in nicer ways. Had my financial situation had not changed so suddenly, would I still be a member? I'm not entirely sure. I do hope for some explanation soon hopefully near the end of the month. I have loved this community but the last month, checking in every day to see for any updates, and reading through so many comments of impatient people, disappointed people, and more, has definitely taken a toll on my mental health. So I probably would have taken a break from supporting anyways. I still have hope for the dev to post soon. I hope others do too. I have been supporting since Feb 2022, and would love to support more, but I cannot in good consciousness and financially.

Aubrey Jones

This is the only Patreon I've ever paid for and it's disappointing to see the lack of communication from the dev weeks after the supposed release date. The money adds up, which is an extra expense I can no longer afford. This isn't the first time we've been ghosted regarding this game, and I cannot justify paying for this when there is a lack of communication and no release of the game. I understand that game development is hard- I studied it in college- but leaving a large community in the dark when all it takes is a minute or two to make a quick post is unprofessional. At first, we worried about the dev being sick or hurt- which I hope isn't the case- but now it seems to be a money grab. I struggle with my mental health and can understand the pressure and fear anxiety causes, but just a quick sentence would be more than enough for this community, as we'd love to continue supporting Maria. Any transparency at this point would be better than nothing, such as saying "There are technical difficulties, please be patient," or anything along those lines. I'll sadly be canceling my subscription and just keeping an eye on the Steam page and the dev's social media (which they're still active on BTW so that makes this all even more confusing) with the hope that one day, Tales of Rein Ravine will get released. This game has so much promise to take horse games to a whole new level and has been highly anticipated by thousands of people, which is why the lack of communication after a delayed release is so disheartening. I sincerely hope the dev is in good health, but for me and many others, supporting this Patreon page can no longer be justified. Wishing you well Maria and hope to hear from you sometime soon.

Tinarias

i might also cancel my membership. im getting sick n tired of this.

eris or yokai

@Elena Cort Input from someone who was burned out to the point that I had to break contract and leave my job (where I worked in a homeless shelter and also lived in an on-site staff apartment, so therefore I had to leave my place of living too) for my own safety (to be clear, I was afraid of myself, not the clients; don't want to give the wrong idea there), I am empathetic if this is what she's going through. That was legitimately the worst time of my life, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. If she's in that situation, I absolutely wish her the best. With that said, two important things to note. First, when I was severely burned out, I didn't get to just up and quit and disappear. I had to turn in my two week's notice. Here in the states, it is severely looked down on if you don't turn in a notice, and some employers will hold it against you in future references. And this was a reference that I couldn't afford to skip out on, so I had to grit my teeth and bear it for a little longer. Maia is in a bit of a different situation. She is self-employed via our funding. She absolutely has the choice to post or not post. However, I, and everyone else, also have the individual choice to not continue to financially support until we have a better idea of what's going on. Second thing to note: Maia has been online. We know this. She's been seen liking videos on TikTok and deleting posts from Instagram and YouTube. I classify that as a form of working. If she is burned out to the point that she can't communicate, then for her own sake she should completely step away from social media. But she hasn't done that, so I'm still confused as to what's going on here. Again, if she is dealing with burnout then I wish her the best. Burnout is the absolute pits.

Cloak

@Just Robine Just because silence wasn't the right way to deal with YOUR mental health problems, doesn't mean it has to be like that for others. Burn out for example? Which could be quite reasonable you NEEDsilence and distance from everything that has to do with the reason for burn out. There are tons of mental health issues someone could be dealing with and one fix doesn't suit for all, unfortunately.

Elena Cort

@Maximiliano! You are NOT her employer and this is not her job. You are supporting the development of a game, with the risk of it not being finished. SUPPORTING. You are NOT her customer.

Elena Cort

Input from someone who was on the brink of burning out due to my job and has had a few collegues who burnt out and has found out how they dealt with it, how they had to deal with it due to therapy and doctor's advice. Having depression and anxiety is bad, but a burn out can also include those, and when they had a burn out, they were FORBIDDEN to do anything that has to do with work. Like for example, write to our customers that their order unfortunately have to be done by another employee because they have burnt out. With all the hate and quite a few comments that have literally no respect AT ALL, she's been getting maybe she doesn't log on here or is afraid to post because it stresses her out more or she feels like her reasons would still get hate and backlash. Of course this is all pure assumption on how it might be for her, but honestly if people don't want to support a game that they feel will not come out, then they should just unsubscribe instead of throwing hate her way, and rocking each other's hate higher and higher. Honestly, if I were in her shoes, I would loathe coming back.

Elena Cort

You can't get scammed of a free game, guys. If you chose to support it you're nothing but a WILLING donor. Like just unsubscribe? And May, how do you know there is no reason...? Could be health issues, family issues, etc.; could be burnt out, which is a huge mess to deal with... it could be so many reasons. I get it you're irritated but honestly just leave and don't throw stones her way, if I were her, I would loathe returning.

Elena Cort

I felt bad at first for all the hate, but now I understand. Shes getting money from a bunch of people still yet there's been no communication from her for almost a month. I'm cancelling my membership after this. I guess I'll just check on Steam now. I'd suggest you'd do the same :)

smellycat1387

Just cancelled my membership

BellaLola

If something happened to her then I'm afraid she may not be able to publish it. And she doesn't have to, we only supported her, we didn't pay for a finished game, but supported her in making of the game. I'm not saying something did happen, I have no idea, but it may be a possibility. Only time will tell I suppose.

Rose

I didn't mean it in a bad way. I understand i didn't do anything except support her. I was just curious about what happens, nothing more. I'm not hating on her. I'm actually patiently waiting to see if she's okay, I hope she is. But i agree, a lot of people should be patient. Nobody knows what happened and they should be understanding instead of hating or being impatient. Thanks for your answer tho.

Rose

me too

Alchi

This is my first and only Patreon that I have supported in my life. I checked so often for updates. Really disheartening that it seems like I got scammed. What’s the point in paying for Patreon when we don’t get extra updates? I just feel like I wasted my time and money on a game that will never be released. Like the dev on this game, I am a software engineer as well. I understand that game development is difficult and takes time and you can run into issues last minute but communication is free and takes 30 seconds. In fact, it’s not just free, she’s getting paid to do it. Incredibly disheartening to see.

Kamryn Fey

Same. I was really holding out and hoping to see something from the dev. Maybe we still will, but I am personally unwilling to pay for silence at this point. If she says something later on, I'll reconsider joining again. Hopefully, our money (or rather lack of) will be able to speak louder than our words.

Cloak

just cancelled my subscription.

nana

I'm cancelling my membership. We have waited almost my ENTIRE summer holidays for a early access release ontop of the years some people have spent paying for this game. I'm not even an adult yet I still would be willing to spend 30 seconds explaining this lack of communication. She is being childish at this point.

Sonorous

I check every day too :(

A

..you really failed us dev.

~!Midnight_Moon!~

PLEASE. i look into my Mails TWICE EVERY DAMN DAY hoping to See a message that the dev Postet something. I am getting frustrated. I Just NEEEEED this game! PLEASE😩🥲🥲

My DreamPonys

Sadly we can’t do anything except wait :(

Just Robine

This is SO disappointing. I was really excited for this game :/

A

well still she said its gonna come out.. she has to publish it at some point

Annika

I will also not further support this anymore, we will see if there will ever be an update again but I have my doubts by now. Bye guys, wish you all well!!

Leni

Canceling my TORR Membership right now. I really don't think there is any point in paying if I am not gaining any info. I would advise you all do the same. I am think I am just gonna be checking Steam every week to see if it has come out. Just a quick tip for you all before I leave. Bye guys, you are such a nice community and I wish this game and community the best. :,)

Catherine Timmons

There is a point that you need to understand (and not only you, looooot of people in this section). You didn't paid for a finished game, but to help a girl who volonteered into developing a (we hope so) good game. Yes, she asked for opinion, you gave it, but, at the end of the day, you haven't bought anything. You were only a generous donetor, nothing more. So yes, if the person you helped dies, no one is forced to finish what she was working on.

Madeleine Siebert

I can't answer for the death part. There are a lot of games that just get abandoned with no rhyme or reason. Riding out being one of them. Nothing happens, no one gets money back and the game just kinda gathers dust on a corner of the internet for eternity. I do wish steam would remove games that were abandoned and no longer being worked on

A

I have went ahead and cancelled as well. I'm so willing to resubscribe but at the moment it's not worth it. I'm hoping this will push something to the fore front. I really don't believe it's a scam, but I can't say either way. So sad.

A

Hey guys, just a random question. What happens if a game is supposed to come out or get a big update or something but the developer gets in an accident or something and dies? Like does the family try and post it or does a friend or someone try to continue or do people just lose their money and the update or game gets forgotten? This is out of curiosity, i have no idea what happened but i've just been wondering about this for 2 weeks now and decided to ask

Rose

You win some you lose some I guess, I’ve cancelled my membership. It’s a shame, this looked like one of the best horse games. I find it hard to believe it’s a scam still, with all of the videos and screenshots we’ve had of systems not seen anywhere else. I think somethings happened to the dev personally, and hope she’s ok. Hopefully we’ll get answers one day.

Chloeeee

And to add to this, she's not even responding on her TORR accounts. I think that should be a sign that she doesn't really want to respond, let alone have other people try to tack her personal accounts :,)

SourMads

Bro can we get like an update or something? It's the 19th, it should've been out by now. Can you communicate a little and say something. Like I don't care about the delay. It's the lack of communication

Kaitlyn Bergunder

Agreed. I've been a patron for a long time on here yet she can't even write a message saying it was delayed. I hope she's not injured or sick but I would like some communication

Snow Bell

thats a bit far

eris or yokai

yeah she is a grown adult with lots of responsibility and she knew that for a long time now and still chooses to act like this.

Leni

Literally could take less than 30 seconds to write a sentence and post it

A

Goodness chirst i am slowly getting mad not gonna lie..the erliegt Release date was 2. Of August now its the 19th. Thats Not my Problem my problem is that there is ZERO communication from the dev. Like literally ZERO. She could at least say:"hey the game is a little delaied because of.... blah blah blah" That wouldnt take more than 5 minutes

My DreamPonys

I don't think anyone knows her real name. And even if we did, it would be incredibly inappropriate to track her down IRL. It's one thing to post here or to dm her via TORR's accounts, but tracking her down IRL? That's not okay.

Cloak

do not do that. maia clearly doesnt want to be contacted rn. yes there are angry or annoyed people because of the situation but stalking her or constantly bombing her with messaging her in her private social medias is not a right thing to do. she most likely wont respond there if she refuses to respond here. we just have to wait and see what happens

Pinja Laurila

does anyone know her real name ? maybe try contacting her on facebook or something

Foxen

wharts happening i dont want to wait anymore

Foxen

Absolutely 100% this

A

Hey Maia, I know you’re going to read this. I wanted to say I’m not mad at you, I’m just a tad bit disappointed because of the lack of communication. We don’t need the game to come out right this second. If you’re still working on it and it’ll be delayed for however long, that’s fine!!! It really doesn’t matter, we just want to know what’s happing. Please just communicate a little and all this will be over. Everything will be clear and will stop speculating <3

Just Robine

I personally don't think it's a scam but i do wanna point out that steam publishing costs roughly $100. Compared to the over 500k she's got from the game so far.....it's not enough to prove it isn't a scam.

A

No? We have literal proof that the game is legit AND she paid money to steam for publishing the page et cetera. The game is real, I know it's annoying, but good things are worth waiting for (I have been a patreon since almost the beginning ;))

mjwithmustard

just letting u know you can use the salon now if you agree to beta test. go to ranch of rivershine in ur library > properties > betas > type rivershinebeta under the private beta field > check code > click the blue button :)

nana

Honestly I hate to agree, but I'm feeling like we did. I know she's had breaks in the past, but right before a game comes out... seems odd. I'll be cancelling my membership before it renews if we don't hear anything. It's sad to see, but it doesn't look good and I'm starting to lose hope. It's also not worth paying if we won't hear anything for a while, just a waste of money . I hope everything is fine with her, but if it is she really should've said something by now. Makes me a little irritated when devs do this especially for no reason.

May

Did we get scammed or what

Jade Wester

thank you all for recommending so many games! So far I‘ve played Rival Stars, which i absolutely love, and Horse Tales Emerald Valley. I‘ll definitely try out Ranch of Rivershine, it looks fun as well

Leontine

Yeeees!!! Totally! I'm really bummed I have so much work right now and no time to really play. But I can't wait to try out the Salon and the new coats!

Laura Hochmuth

@Maegan Lenertz I'm glad you brought up the taxes because my brain forgot about those for a moment haha. Next to wages, that's the other biggest budget eater. Also, I want to say that I hear and respect your perspective, and it's absolutely a valid perspective. Personally, I have a different perspective. I approach Patreon support like it's a promise, just with money attached. In this situation, the promise (in my opinion) is that I am helping to fund the development of a game from an indie developer. In return, I get what's stated in my membership tier (the Novice Pony Rider tier): "Support the making of Tales of Rein Ravine! Get exclusive updates (videos, photos, blog posts) on game development progress." A delay in a release date is a pretty big update, so I do personally expect to hear something from the dev about it because that is a pretty significant update. And when those expectations aren't met, then yeah I'm going to have some questions especially the longer the silence goes on. Now, I have supported some Patreons where there are no membership benefits. All they're asking for is support in addition to work they're doing somewhere else (I've mostly supported small YouTubers this way), but this is usually stated explicitly that this just a donation. And that's absolutely fine in those cases. Again, I want to say that I respect and value your perspective (and this friendly conversation). I don't believe your perspective is wrong just like I don't believe mine is wrong. It's like mine and my mom's differing perspectives on window shopping. (For those who don't know, window shopping is typically when you go to look at stuff in stores without the intention of buying these products.) My mom loves window shopping because it's something that she grew up doing with her mom and her grandmothers. It's a bit of a tradition for her. Personally, I hate window shopping. It's one of my least favorite activities because I don't like going and looking at things that I know I can't afford to buy. It's something that can be a trigger with my mental health struggles if I'm not careful, so it's not something I enjoy. Neither mine or my mom's perspectives on this activity is wrong. They're just different. Sorry, bit of a tangent, I know. I just wanted to try to draw an analogy of how perspectives can be different but not wrong.

Cloak

Some free games are horse shelter 2022 demo, my horse bonded spirits prologue, riding club champions, art of equitation, lake county stables (Roblox), horse life (Roblox) hope this helps!

2_milzz_2

@Laura Hochmuth Yes, I'm so excited for the mane salon update! Originally, I didn't thing this was going to be an update for me, but the pictures I have seen are just so pretty!!! And the new NPC, Orion, is stunning!

Cloak

Another voice for Ranch of Rivershine! I have so many hours on it already and the community is great. The newest update is just coming up.

Laura Hochmuth

We know how many patrons she has and at what price, but we also don’t know what country she is in and how much the government takes from it. I’d bet at LEAST half of it goes to taxes and other such things. At the end of the day, we do not know her situation and I’m uncomfortable with the fact that anyone is speculating on it because whether we give to her monthly or not, I just feel that it’s none of our business (I also grew up in a house/culture where it’s considered very very rude to ask about someone’s salary or how much they make so that is likely playing into how i feel about it). I give to her personally to support the project, and i dont feel like she owes me anything for that. I’m not being held here by anyone but myself, so I don’t feel like I have the right to speculate on her income and what she’s doing with it, cuz at the end of the day, it is HER money that’s voluntarily been given to her by everyone here. (Honestly I feel the same expectations about this as when I give a gift, yeah I hope they love it and treasure it and use it for good, but I also have no expectations about what they do with it because it’s a gift. If they want to donate it, give it away, etc it’s not my business because it’s theirs now, and my gift to them doesn’t have any expectation associated with it). and Also i just wanna reiterate, this is just my perspective on the matter. I’m not trying to comment on anyone’s behavior and this really is coming from a place of friendly discussion, but I haven’t really seen anyone comment on this aspect. I realize that not everyone views the world in the way I do and I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I’m just trying to offer a different perspective because personally, if I were her and had all these people people speculating about my finances when they don’t know hardly any of the story (we really know very little about her), I would be really put off by it and it would probably deter me from engaging with the community. Again, I realize not everyone may feel this way and I admit there are probably other people here that have much better/healthier relationships with the concept of money than I lol😂 but this is just my 2 cents and I would be hella uncomfortable with all these financial discussions happening about my own life. We really don’t know her story.

Maegan Lenertz

I really like Ranch of Rivershine which is also created by a solo dev. Her communication has been amazing throughout the early access of this game. She provides regular updates in her discord. The game can be a bit grindy though. Then again, part of what makes it grindy is the horse care and training. In real life, that would be really grindy too, so I guess you can say that's kind of realistic lol Also, I enjoy Rival Stars Horse Racing (desktop, not mobile for me). The gameplay can be a bit boring and it can be a bit grindy. However, I do really enjoy the breeding, and they have added 3 new breeds in the past few months. If you're looking for a free game, there's Riding Club Championships. It's not what it used to be. It is a bit pay to win, but it is a show jumping game if you just really need that itch scratched. Been there, done that lol

Cloak

@Leni I understand you're frustrated. I am too as well as disappointed, sad, and confused. However, I do want to point out that a good chunk of these earnings most likely went to the dev's salary, and that's completely normal and perfectly fine. The dev deserves to be paid for the work that she is doing which is a lot. It's not enough to just buy these assets and code snippets. She actually has to tweak them and put them together in order to make cohesive gameplay. For this, she deserves to be paid a good salary. Furthermore, salaries are the biggest drain on any gaming project's budget, no matter the size. It takes a lot of money to fund people's living costs. Of course in this case, there's only one salary being paid, and that's the dev's salary. Maia has stated that this does bring production costs lower than normal which is why she is considering letting the game be free for the early access period. Here's what Maia herself had to say about funding: "Tales of Rein Ravine is in a unique situation compared to your typical game project in the sense that this is pretty much a single developer game. Albeit I do very frequently buy models, music samples, code snippets etc from other developers and artists, the only permanently employed and salaried person by the project is me. As you may know, salaries are the biggest budget killers for gaming companies, so this makes the running costs of this production atypically low. The ongoing Patreon support, given that it stays at relatively similar levels, and the team doesn't grow - is therefore enough to fund the project."

Cloak

@Maegen Lenertz As a librarian, I really appreciate your analogy, and I can confirm that we librarians don't know everything lol. It's just that we're specially trained in how to find the information people need. On the flip side of your analogy, I'm not a developer. But as an avid gamer, my interpretation has always been that buying store assets and sharing coding is completely normal. Obviously, there are some egregious exceptions of asset flipping, but generally speaking it is normal to buy assets and code snippets. Even AAA games participate in this practice. As for the financial side of things, we do have an estimate (emphasis on estimate) for how much this Patreon has earned. This estimate is based on data from Graphtreon. While it is just an estimate, it is a good indicator for giving us a pretty good idea of the earnings. Details can be viewed in my discussion post here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2299740/discussions/0/4522262583808006809/?ctp=4 Alternatively, @tizthenana has created a PDF version of my post that allows for some better formatting than what a Steam discussion post can do. It can be viewed here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H5Et3KKw-bUtEhgejtpfuQ0yaFK_ceZ0/view

Cloak

I'd recommend Alicia Online if the servers werent completely down :,)

Sonorous

i get what you mean but with all that money there could have been people hired for something unique at least i am not talking about her learning everything herself. using a.i. and buying premade STORE assets is just low with that amount of income.

Leni

does anyone have other good horse game recommendations I can play while waiting for news on torr? :‘)

Leontine

i speculate it might've been mainly used to create the copyright-dodging logos. boca cola comes to mind as an example

Reggie-Gigas

it's not terribly uncommon for a developer to outsource models and rigs, as stated above. if anything, it's preferable to purchase models that are game-ready as opposed to being left with tri-heavy models that make the game unplayable, so that's genuinely not a big deal. the ai usage, though i dont necessarily agree, is specifically stated to be used in the creation of some logos and textures, likely as time savers. a tool, not a crutch. were it a team of developers, i'd be raising my brow a little more, but it's not. it's one person; one person can't do everything by hand, that's asking too much. really, the only thing to be a little miffed about is the ai, but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. quality of code and user experience takes priority 🤷‍♂️

Reggie-Gigas

I’m not going to comment on the money aspect because at the end of the day, we know NOTHING about her financial situation and how much she actually makes, but I do want to offer insight to the development stuff you mentioned. Every single game thats developed current day relies on purchased packages, plug ins, etc. for reference, I am a robotics research engineer who works with complicated software everyday, and let me tell you, game development is an entirely different beast. Expecting someone to completely develop their own code and not purchase packages, rigs, and plug ins (ESPECIALLY for a single developer, indie game) is like expecting a librarian to have read and understand every single book in their library. Sure, lots of librarians know a great deal about a lot of different books, but it’s IMPOSSIBLE for them to study them all enough to be an expert in every thing contained in their library. The majority of being a software developer is knowing how to use other people’s code to do the task you need it to do. Game development is the same way. Even teams of hundreds of software devs don’t completely develop their own code. In regards to your comment about buying models, the reason she did this is because rigging a 3d model (if you aren’t sure, ‘rigging’ refers to the process of adding joints to a rigid model to make it moveable for animations)is HORRENDOUSLY difficult. People have dedicated their entire careers to being experts at rigging models, and it’s still a highly iterative process that is a mix of science, software, and art (“the making of frozen 2” on Disney plus is a great watch and has some parts where they talk to their riggers and see them doing their job) It’s extremely difficult to rig a model, ESPECIALLY something as complex as a horse, let alone rig one that actually works in gameplay. To rig a model properly, Maia likely would’ve needed years of experience, and it would’ve set back gameplay by a lot. If funds allow, it’s much better to outsource these types of tasks and buy a model from someone who really knows the craft and can do it efficiently and correctly than trying to rig something together yourself. It’s like if you want the librarian to build the new wing to the library, sure she might be able to do it, but that’s not her specialty and it would take her far longer to do it and would require alot of learning, time, and would likely have some errors in it. It’s much easier to hire a contractor to do it who’s spent his career in construction. However, the librarian can still use the new wing once it’s done, sort the books away, etc, even though she didn’t actually build the new wing. Anyway, long story short, buying models is EXTREMELY common, and generally better, don’t let this alarm you. Anywsy, I hope I haven’t bored you to death lol. I say this all to you coming from a place of friendliness and education :) pls let me know if you have any questions and I’d be happy to elaborate more.

Maegan Lenertz

Idk I just think it’s a lot more complex than anyone is making it out to be. I think a lot of people here that are actively commenting just want to know what’s going on and are reasonable people who won’t be mad, but I also think the general public and broader internet generally isn’t so patient and is generally much crueler and toxic than the people actively commenting here. I just think that she’s likely under an IMMENSE amount of pressure right now, is likely reading all these comments across social medias of people demanding things from her, when she’s TRYING to finish this game, l just think that if we are frustrated, she must be 1000x more frustrated than us. She wants this game to be released more than any of us want to play it. This is HER project! Im sure she wishes it was simple and everything worked and she could just release it, but clearly something is stopping that from happening and she’s definitely the most frustrated out of all of us. She wants this to succeed more than anyone. If I were her, I’d be immensely proud of what I created and would want to share it as soon as possible. she told us that she’d let us know as soon as she had a release date, so it’s clear that she doesn’t know when it’s going to release, and I just don’t think she owes us anything considering the last communication was telling us that she’ll tell us when she knows a for sure date. I think we should take her at her word and have a little trust in her that she’s trying her absolute very best to get this game out for us. Anyway, that’s just my perspective on it and I totally understand everyone wanting answers and I agree communication would be great, but at the end of the day she’s just one person, and if I were in her shoes, I don’t think I’d say anything until I had a release.

Maegan Lenertz

@Amber Jones This right here is my sticking point. She strongly indicated that the initial release was ready to be released to the public. But she disappears instead of actually releasing it (whether that be on August 2 or any other day)? It's just baffling. I mean, it's okay if she doesn't feel the game is ready for release. It's okay if she wants to delay the release to address bugs or add more features. It's also acceptable if there needs to be a delay due to legal issues or mental/physical health issues. We can accept a delay for almost any reason. It would just go such a long way if she would just say something. Anything. At the very least, it would be nice if she just let us know that she hears us and she cares about us and delivering this project to us. In short, I agree with you lol

Cloak

I'm not mad at Maia herself, I'm frustrated with the lack of communication. If she's not ready to release the game, cool. That's fine. But let us know that. Let us know that it's not quite ready and will be delayed. However, with her post saying that the earliest release date was August 2nd, that leads me, and others, to believe that she had the game ready or MOSTLY ready to release to us. I just want to know what is going on. I'd be satisfied to know that she is okay and will update us on TORR on a later date. A post stating that would work for me, and I'm sure many others as well.

Amber Jones

We aren't stalking her. We are looking at very PUBLIC profiles centered on TORR and trying to figure out what is happening with the game. If Maia is struggling with mental health, I feel for her. By letting this community run rampant because she can't be bothered to let us know anything, is completely unprofessional. One sentence. That is all we asked for 2 weeks ago. She has been MIA from the TORR community for over 2-weeks while apparently being well enough to be online using the TORR accounts. That is why we are frustrated. She easily could have said, "Hey guys, working on some things and I will explain later." And we would have understood and left it alone. She didn't. She let this community down.

Amber Jones

what am i reading on steam!! it just makes me worry more and more! getting paid this tons of money as a solo! dev and not really investing in the game buying models and the ai usage is terribly alarming! i get the living expenses but you can not tell me she can barely fund the game with literally 20k a month. thats were i draw the line! i had such high hopes :(

Leni

A note on anxiety/mental health: I deal with anxiety every day. There is not a day that goes by that I don't feel some sort of anxiety. And because I experience a lot of anxiety, I also experience depression. The two often go hand in hand, and they can be a paralyzing combination. So, I'm empathetic if this is what Maia is experiencing. Mental health issues are one of the most draining things to deal with, and I sincerely wish her the best if she is struggling with mental health. However, this is not the way to deal with it. It's just not. I can't imagine people giving me $500K without saying a word to them. Even at a time when my mental health was at its lowest, I couldn't imagine doing that. In fact, that would just personally feed into my anxiety and depression and make it infinitely worse. And if she is struggling at the moment, she just has to say, "Hey, I'm sorry. I can't go into details right now. I'm just struggling right now and just trying to work on myself. Please bear with me." Yes, this would require being a little vulnerable, and to be clear I wouldn't expect her to give us full medical history, just a brief explanation as I laid out. If she could just do that, then we could all be able to give her tons of support and encouragement. But if she's silent, then we can't do that. We can't provide support and encouragement for something we don't know about. Of course, we can provide basic human respect and decency, which most of us have been doing, but we can't give her complete support and encouragement she needs if she won't give us a chance to do so. It's a two way street. Of course, this is assuming she is struggling with mental health. We don't know that she is. Until we hear from her or have some outstanding piece of evidence, then anything we come up with is speculation. I just hope she's okay. I want that more than anything else.

Cloak

@Maegan Lenertz I don’t think many people are mad. I’ve seen very few comments of people who were indeed mad but most people are just patiently waiting and actually care about her, constantly asking if she is okay. I would not care a single bit if the game is going to be pushed back for months, I really don’t give a f. I just want a little bit of communication, that’s all. And I think a lot of people think the same.

Just Robine

I agree it would be great to have an explanation and a bit of communication would go a LONG way, but at this point people are going to be mad no matter what she posts and she probly knows she’ll get backlash from everyone, plus she Told us that she would tell us when she has a release date, so i bet she just doesn’t know and at this point I don’t think she gains anything from saying a post with “the games not ready” because people will only be mad. At this point, I think the only thing that will calm people down is releasing the game, and if I were her I probly would just wait to release it and address everything then when the game is out. I think it would be different if it was gonna be like a 6 month wait to release (then she’d need to say smth) but at this point I think the game is almost ready to release and just needing finishing touches/some debugging and it doesn’t really benefit her to engage with us when she told us she’ll tell us a release date when she has one.

Maegan Lenertz

I signed up a couple of days ago because I got an email from Patreon, with her July posts, that hinted at the release being super close and I thought that making the game free was kind of odd, so I wanted to read more. Since her project has been so highly anticipated and drama-free I figured I didn't mind supporting her....but yeah, disappointed at the lack of communication, to say the least. If she has a valid reason, that's totally fair and I think a lot of people here won't mind at all, but it's perfectly valid for so many of her Patreon supporters to be concerned and upset.

Marta Fernandes

Thank you!!! This is what I’ve been feeling. At this point she’s getting so much backlash on every social media page that people are gonna be mad whatever her reasoning is so if it was me if probly stay silent until I have a game ready to release and just not deal with it. The comments she is getting would have me SO ANXIOUS! I’m literally anxious for her lol. From the beginning She literally said she’ll update us when she has a release date, so clearly she doesn’t have one or know when it’s going to release otherwise we’d have heard from her. She doesn’t owe us anything, and honestly if I had this many people turning on me I don’t think that would make me want to respond lol

Maegan Lenertz

We also need to think about the fact that this is her job. We pay her. She’s also not being ‘stalked’, all info being posted is publicly available. Mental health is valid of course, and if she is anxious that could contribute to her silence. But it’s also unacceptable to be quiet on the people who are funding her over 20k monthly. For the first week, yeah I would have agreed with you. But it’s gone on so long and she’s continuing to comment on posts and like them. If she was so anxious, why would she be publicly commenting on posts with her TORR account? We are not an angry mob, we are PAYING customers who have been left in the dark for weeks now despite her obviously being online and active.

Maximiliano!

I have struggled with mental health most of my life, I get it. But staying completely silent is not the way to handle this. Just posting 1 short sentence explaining what is happening is all we want, and that is definitely not too much to ask. There is no excuse at this point except maybe legal reasons.

Just Robine

Doesn’t mean she is ok mental health wise.

Katie meneses

suddenly a lot of people are forgetting they apparently care about mental health, who knows what dev is feeling right now. Id be to anxious to function let alone address an angry mob of people stalking me. Think about how hard it is to reply to an email that is causing you debilitating anxiety? Now imagine that times 10000… you guys are scaring her into hiding deeper every day

Katie meneses

Yup suddenly a lot of people are forgetting they apparently care about mental health, who knows what dev is feeling right now. Id be to anxious to function let alone address an angry mob of people stalking me.

Katie meneses

Also Kaddi Gaming :)

mjwithmustard

A good example to compare (believe it or not lol) is MrBeast's Social Blade: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/mrbeast6000 If you just look at the numbers which stand in the 300 millions range, it looks like he's stagnated but then on August 7 and August 16 (today) he suddenly gains 1 million out of nowhere. This is not an indication of MrBeast buying subscribers. It just means that his numbers have gotten so big that YT (and therefore Social Blade) only updates his subscriber count in 1 million increments. The TORR channel obviously isn't this big, but it's big enough that YT is updating the subscriber count in 100 increments. (Also, I know MrBeast is in a lot of hot water right now, but he was the best example I could come up with.)

Cloak

YT doesn't publicly list specific subscriber numbers past the 999 subscriber mark. They just give a rounded down number. For example, if I have 2,299 subscribers, YT is going to publicly show that I have 2.2K subscribers, and they'll update it to 2.3K once I pass that threshold. Because of this, Social Blade can't give a specific subscriber number either. So when a YT channel does pass one of these thresholds, Social Blade updates it in a rounded number of subscribers. For example, TORR had 27.1K subscribers on July 28, but it passed the next threshold on July 29 when the channel passed a threshold at 27.2K subscribers. Social Blade indicated this subscriber growth by updating with the rounded number of 100. I hope this makes sense. I struggled with how to word this response. In short, it doesn't indicate abnormal subscriber growth. It's perfectly normal, and you can see similar trends in other channels.

Cloak

Just in his stream today he also said that he does not know more than we do. The dev is ghosting him too

T H

Maximiliano!

My steam isn’t working at the moment :( I don’t know if you have already talked about this before, but the last time she went silence, she told us that the reason for no communication and moving of release date was because of a broken computer. But I highly doubt that she in no way could had given us an update in those weeks she was gone, for an example over her phone. I feel like that might have been an excuse for her losing some interest in the game but then rediscovering it. I feel like that might also be the case here. She has lot her motivation to work on the game and has not done it for a long time, which might be the reason for the pushed release date. Then the reason for her not communicating with us is that she knows that if she goes out and tells us that she no longer has the motivation to work on the game, she would face a loooot of backlash, quit possibly some people who would try to get their money back. Also she might be hoping that her motivation will come back and because of that doesn’t want to officially tell anyone that the game will be on standby in fear of people leaving.

Lærke Andersen

To keep more people hooked. She told us that if we stayed Patreon a then the game could stay free. Also she has stated that something like the story line might not be free, so she will still get an income. She knows that she will lose a lot of patreons as soon as the game is released. A lot of Patreons are only following to get early access to the game. But honestly it would not surprise me if this was one of the best made scams to date.

Lærke Andersen

Well why might she has done this? Tbh it feels a little suspicious

Lærke Andersen

She’s making 25k monthly on here. I doubt she’d be making that monthly off game downloads.

Maximiliano!

Ohh, it‘d be nice to know how her patron count develops but guess we won’t find out. But…Is it me or is that especially sus regarding the situation rn? It’s like she planned on going silent and making infos not available?

Leontine

Thanks Cloak!! I‘ll check that out and I‘ll post it here if I find more information

Leontine

Unfortunately, she privated her Patreon member stats last month, so it's not possible to know how many members she has ganined ir lost.

Cloak

@Leontine Someone on steam was talking about a German YouTuber named zaaap! It could be someone else though. I don't speak German, so I'm not familiar enough with German content creators who play TORR lol

Cloak

The fact that she’s still gaining so many new followers on insta is crazy. Last time I checked (just a few days ago) she had like 38,6k now she’s at over 39,1k. She’s getting so much attention rn. I‘d like to know if she’s actually gaining or losing patrons atm. I feel like many patrons already cancelled their membership, but I guess quite some people are also starting to pay for patreon to see what‘s going on. My bf said that maybe she’s purposefully creating tension to get more attention and therefore more money. That‘d be smart, ngl, but it would still be pretty disrespectful to her paying customers. She really needs to communicate before she and her game have a bad reputation that she can’t recover from.

Leontine

Which German YouTuber would that be? I‘d like to see that, too :)

Leontine

Thank you!!!

Jana Verheyden

I found out from a German YouTuber that August 2nd is not the official date, it would have been the earliest, the game still needs an age restriction, without that the game can't be released and she can't do anything about it, she just said that she should inform us so that things calm down again and we don't think about fraud

anna

@Jana Rattle is a YouTuber who provides commentary on horse games. A while back, they actually did an interview with the dev. You can check out the livestream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aLNcvcbOj0

Cloak

omg i’ve been waiting for some good commentary on this topic, we need answers

Alchi

Who is Rattle

Jana Verheyden

Thx!!! I’ll watch it.

Just Robine

Guys Rattle has a video coming out about this in like 30 minutes it will probably be worth a watch!

Lararos10

The only reason that I don't fully believe that is because the game is free. Why offer it for free if you're wanting the income?

A

Excactly my thought. I’m quite sure she knows that she will lose a lot of subscribers as soon as the game has been launched.

Lærke Andersen

I don't believe its a scam either. However, until we are proven otherwise that's the biggest PR hurdle this game is going to have to tackle.

A

Thats what im thinking, a Rattle interview would do wonders right about now lol

Sonorous

Do you think Rattle could contact Maia and try to find out what's going on? They did that one interview a while ago. Maybe she'll reach her?

Laura Hochmuth

Well said Abigail, and I’m glad Rattle got to you about it!!

SourMads

If she’s holding the game back to make more money on here, maybe if we just all unsubscribe we’ll get the game 🤪

Maximiliano!

I was willing to defend her until today, with all this new information. 135 dollars over the course of 17 months I’ve spent on this. Now, over time that isn’t much but I could have been supporting a game with a much more honest, communicative dev. I am disappointed, and annoyed.

Maximiliano!

Tbh, I've privately speculated this, but I also have half a dozen other potential scenarios that I've come up with lol. Personally, I don't believe it's a scam just yet. I need more evidence and/or longer time without communication before I'll be convinced of that. There's just too much gameplay that I've seen to be able to definitively call it a scam at this point. It's going to take some more time before I get to that point.

Cloak

Okay I have one delusional thought left, before I think she’s scamming us. What if Maia is currently working on the game before the release to have more features other than dressage and/or to have the first episode of the story available, and is doing it secretly to surprise us? It could be a possibility, since she has been active on her social media, so I think we can be sure that nothing bad has happened to her. I mean honestly, it‘d still be pretty stupid of her to not communicate anything, cuz she did lose a significant amount of patrons already as it seems. Then she could’ve at least posted sth like “working on a surprise for u guys, don’t worry the game is gonna come out soon“. But it could be? I dunno I just had high hopes for the game and I‘m probably just delulu, but I‘m not ready yet for such a disappointment and the possibility that she indeed scammed us. What are your thoughts? Anyone with me? 🥲

Leontine

So happy to see you here!! And it makes me so happy that a creator for the horse game community is speaking out about this. :)

pudders

Thank you. I couldn't have done it though without all of the ppl here who have reminded me of stuff I overlooked.

Cloak

Thanks Cloak! Massive props to you for your steam post, Rattle sent it to me and it was really well informed 👍

Abigail Pinehaven

Couldn't have said it better myself, Abigail. Always lovely to see you around in the horse game community!

Cloak

Yes exactly!!

Just Robine

Do I think the game is a scam? No. Do I think Maia has done a disservice to patrons who are donating money by failing to communicate? Yes. Even if it was a 'heads up, we've had technical difficulties' message then at least most people would be satisfied with waiting. This is a black mark on the record for TORR which was having such a good run and the game isn't even released yet. Hopefully they can get their act together and send out some sort of communication before TORR really gets a bad rep. It has been confirmed that the dev, or at least the devs accounts have been actively liking content recently so the likelyhood is that they are aware of people's unrest. Hope to see the game released and some sort of clarification given.

Abigail Pinehaven

@mimic ri We're not stalking her. All of this is either public information (on sites like Instagram, TikTok, Social Blade, and Graphtreon), or information accessed via this Patreon which everyone here has all paid for. I haven't put out any information that can't be easily accessed by everyone else. Beyond the information that I have found on Patreon and in these public forums, I haven't done anything to reveal any parts of her private life. I haven't even looked for that kind of stuff because that would be stalking. That would be weird. Revealing publicly available information is not stalking.

Cloak

This. Some of the things we've uncovered are a bit scammy, and until I see a game I won't say that's definitely not a scam. However, there are just some certain gameplay features that I've seen nowhere else. For example, I'm thinking of the green hoofbeat striding indicator. That's not something that I've seen anywhere else, and it's not something that can be faked using AI.

Cloak

What many of you do at this point is harassment. Are you guys stalking her?!

mimic ri

I don’t think the actual GAME is a scam. There’s clearly video proof of the game being developed, a demo that is very similar game-play wise, etc. but I wouldn’t be surprised if she continued to delay the game for more people to pay for a membership and wait for any updates. That to me is scammy, and now that there’s proof of her being online and signs of her deliberately ignoring us… I don’t know what to do anymore. I’m going to give it a few more days, but if by next week I don’t hear anything I’m just going to cancel my paying membership. 2 years of being a member for this kind of treatment, and I’m sure so much longer for many of you. If I were you, I’d do the same. :(

SourMads

Also, if you want you can dm me on steam. I think you'll just have to friend request me first

Cloak

@Lærke Andersen Yes, I have been working on that. If you want, you can either post it in replies here or your can post it in the steam discussion: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2299740/discussions/0/4522262583808006809/

Cloak

At this point, to me, the Dev, Maia, has some serious explaining to do. Knowing that she is active online and must see all these comments and DM's, and still CHOOSING to ignore her community and player base is completely unprofessional. She has many supporters here on Patreon paying her and still refuses to inform us what is happening with the game. I get life can happen and it could be delayed yet again, but a quick post would have appeased many of us a few days ago. Now, I'm not so sure. As Cloak's Steam discussion says, she was ONLINE 3 days ago (As of 8/14/24) and hasn't communicated ANYTHING for 2 weeks. It seems she does not appreciate us as paying supporters, players, or as a community supporting her and TORR. Until she (Maia, the dev) posts something to inform us, I WILL NOT recommend TORR or the demo to anyone. And if she does not have a good explanation for being MIA from her community, while online elsewhere, I will continue to tell people that the dev does not seem to respect us.

Amber Jones

I have wondered if some of the photos might be ai? The misspelling on the sign and stuff like that, also the photos doesn’t not in any way look like the demo. I know the demo is a demo, but still, you would think that some kind of theme from the demo would be taken into the new game. Also her excuse “I’m sorry I haven’t been responding for a couple of months, my pc broke down” when she last time left us like this. I think it’s very on likely that she couldn’t find a way to update us on that back then. Trough a phone for example

Lærke Andersen

You did the steam discussion on all of this right? I have something to add

Lærke Andersen

I’m honestly starting to get Soooo mad. The fact that every day the evidence and possiblity of this being a scam is growing daily.

Lærke Andersen

Reporting is an option if that's the route you would want to take, but there's no guarantee that we'd see our money back. Also, reporting can be a bit like taking a sledgehammer to the situation. We could risk losing the entire Patreon if we report too early. In which case, we lose a lot of evidence of the screenshots and videos that have only ever been uploaded here. Personally, I have questioned at what point I would consider reporting this Patreon. I think I'd have to give it the full month of August (and maybe even September) with no communication before I seriously considered doing that even if it meant me paying for another month. I can afford to sacrifice another $3.50 to wait and see, but others may not be able to or be willing to wait. Currently, I'm in a wait and see position. Waiting sucks, but I believe we have to give it a bit of time.

Cloak

Honestly it isn't surprising she created content that looked fantastic and released a demo, if she was scamming us. Many many game genres have been through this very same thing, where the devs will create a 'game' that is so different it draws an audience, release a demo, put it on steam and nothing comes of it, OR the game isn't up to par where it should be with the funds they have earned to go toward the game. She's definitely making enough money purely from patreon to pay any fees she may need to pay and also hire atleast 1 person to help with the game. So at this point all her activity of deleting/privateting certain videos and her silence, smells very scammy.

Sandra Jakson

Is it possible that if this is a scam that we can massreport the dev and get our money back/a part or isnt that the case?

Red Bird

Oh that isnt quite calming at all😭 but we will see my subscription refreshes every 1st of the month so she has some time but i think the game will be less populair and have less people bcs of all this shit

Red Bird

Unfortunately, Steam has had some games that turned out to be pretty scammy. They've allowed people to post the most basic games at a cost of thousands of USD. Also, the biggest scam in recent years was The Day Before. It was the most wishlisted game on Steam, then it turned out to be complete junk. There was so much backlash that Steam had to break their own refund policy and issue refunds to anyone who requested one. I'll make sure to look into the protocols but off the top of my head I can think of several games that have found their way around these protocols.

Cloak

Honestly someone should check what the protocols of steam are for that. I dont want to think its a scam but with deleting post and clearly being online without saying anything for a while now its becoming a bit weird

Red Bird

I'm having hard time believing this, why would they have released the demo for free if it were a scam? Surely the demo is the money maker for them so they should have kept it not-free. Also, were is all this game footage coming from if it were a scam? And Steam is now involved as well, surely they have some ways to make sure not to let scammers on their services?

J

I hope she's doing well... And I hope we get a new update soon because I'm dying to play this game. I've been supporting for such a long time, and I hope it isn't a waste of money now. :(

pien del

It is looking bad. And if she is genuinely just working on the game, then this is why she should have said something a lot sooner. Just a few days ago, she could have said, "Hey, sorry. I'm still working on the game. I'll let you know soon." However, now that more time has passed and we've discovered some things that we have a lot of questions about, she's gonna need to actually provide an explanation. It's just too late and too far gone at this point for her to not have to offer some sort of explanation. Ofc, this is assuming she is working on the game.

Cloak

I agree with you that deleting videos usually is pretty scammy. My point of confusion still is that we have a demo and a huge amount of documentation of gameplay (both screenshots and videos). If this is a scam, then it's one of the weirdest ones I've ever seen. Personally, I'm at the point where I'm still waiting to see what happens next. However, I am leaning a lot more towards "this is a scam" than I was a few days ago.

Cloak

At this point, I'm still not sure. As Alchi pointed out, there is a demo and lots of documentation of development here. The TORR TikTok has also been used recently to like a video of someone playing the TORR demo. To me, these point to there being a game that the dev intends to release. On the other hand, the dev has recently started deleting posts and as of today hasn't spoken to the community in 2 weeks. While there can be other explanations for this, it's also true that this a common strategy that scammers use. If this is a scam, it's one of the weirder ones I've seen. At this point, I'm personally on the fence. I'm just waiting to see what happens next.

Cloak

As some people have pointed out, the dev liked a TikTok of someone playing the demo. This TikTok was posted on August 11. The dev also liked a gymnastics TikTok that was posted on August 3.

Cloak

I don't think it's possible since we all know the game is very much real - she's been documenting the development here and we do have a demo.

Alchi

guys someone on steam mentioned she was active 2 days ago and its true i checked myself. she knows 100% about our worries but does not take action on purpose :(

Leni

It's really starting to look bad, isn't it? That sucks so much. I was extremely excited for this game since the demo was just so much fun and satisfying to learn. I really want to play around with the dressage mechanics and go cross country. I don't want to give up hope and think the worst, but not hearing ANYTHING for so long during this time feels really shitty. I'd really hoped that my gut feeling would be proven wrong and that there would actually be a game to enjoy at the end of it. I'm gonna give it a few more days but then I'll probably cancel as well. Big, big bummer!

Laura Hochmuth

someone on your post on steam mentioned she was active 2 days ago and its true i checked... she knows what she is doing omg :(

Leni

How Likely is it that she is scamming us? Bcs if she is i will just cancel my subscription rn

Red Bird

It's not new she isn't following anyone though

Leni

Yeah I really did not want to believe it was a scam but I’m getting more and more scared :((

Just Robine

She has not only been deleting posts on her social media, she also deleted all her followings on insta. She used to follow other horse games‘ insta pages like horselifesimulator or astride. It’s probably a scam. How disappointing.

Leontine

Deleting videos usually means a scam. There's no other reason to be mass deleting videos at this point. Scammers who don't want to be caught will often create content to make things seem very real, but then won't follow thru when the time comes for playing. It's happened multiple times before in other genres unfortunately.

Sandra Jakson

I know. It's just so weird. On the one hand, there's the demo and an awful lot of screenshots and videos of gameplay that doesn't exist elsewhere. That leads me to believe it's not a scam. But deleting posts and not talking to the community? That really is something that a lot of scammers do. Sure, there could be other explanations, but it can't be denied that this is a strategy that a lot of scammers use. I'm not ready to definitively call this a scam, but it's not looking good.

Cloak

That.....is starting to smell scammy. I originally was one of the ones saying people shouldn't jump on the scam thing since it was so extreme. Her deleting posts and removing videos....idk what to think.

A

Also, I have added all of this info and more to my facts discussion on Steam. If you haven't read this post, I recommend checking it out. If you've read it but it's been a few days, I recommend checking it out again because we've added a lot of stuff to it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2299740/discussions/0/4522262583808006809/

Cloak

Third, YouTube: https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/talesofreinravine/monthly

Cloak

Second, TikTok: https://socialblade.com/tiktok/user/talesofreinravine/monthly

Cloak

Here are the Social Blade links that show video deletions. First, Instagram: https://socialblade.com/instagram/user/talesofreinravine/monthly

Cloak

I noticed she deleted one of her old videos of her riding a hot horse pre-demo, I remember it specifically cause it was one of her only vids using her own voice

Trina Ruhland

Will post links when I'm at my computer again

Cloak

This is true. On August 5th, she deleted one post from Instagram. And on August 3, she lost nearly 500,000 views on YouTube which is usually an indication of either deleting or privating videos. No matter the reason for these things, this means she's been online since we last heard from her

Cloak

She has been deleting posts on her instagram; at least it shows that on socialblade. Do what you will with that info idk. I hope she says something soon.

pudders

those edits aren't made by her

nana

She is okay, thankfully. If you search up, 'Steam Data Base' you can then search up her game in it and see when she last edited it. The last edit she made was 18 hours ago :)

Madi

I really hope the dev's ok. I would love to hear from her because i am Kind of getting a little uneasy about what is Happening...

My DreamPonys

Really hoping the dev is ok. Honestly id love any type of post at this point. Just hoping they're ok.

smellycat1387

at this point im just hoping the dev is well i dont care abt the release date im just gonna wait and hope the dev is okay

Stella

I also agree with sourmads, especially as people are also making it very clear that at this point even just a small statement would be enough to clear things up!

Faith

It is true. They have to wait 2 weeks once they put the game page on coming soon, then once they post the finished game they must set a due date that is more than 30 days, up to a week earlier you have to pay extra for. Ik because my brother is a developer.

Samantha Manko

To be fair, I don't know if that's the case. Because there wasn't this much backlash on the 2nd, 3rd, etc. until now that it's been over a week with no response. If it was truly backlash, I don't think she even would have posted the very one we're commenting on at the moment because people were upset about the last delay.

SourMads

A few days ago i also sent her a PM (so did many people) what i think is happening is that with the amout of backlash happening she is taking a step back wich is totaly resonable but she should but smt out since many people are unsubscribing

Red Bird

Canceled my membership since there's not much point in supporting anymore. We haven't heard from the dev for ages and even if the earliest it wouldve been released is the 2nd, it's the 11th/12th at the point of me saying this. :.) Most of us have been waiting for a reasonable while and it's starting to get boring waiting for a not exactly active developer to finally release an overdue game. I hope that she's well since this might be from something she cannot help but I cant exactly be in her shoes.

tonkaaaa

If this was any other genre of game than horses, this type of communication would 100% kill the game before release. In the “maybe it would get 500 downloads” type of death. It’s very understandable seeing Patrons pull out. Hopefully Maia and the game both show up before it’s labeled a scam by the community as a whole.

Blueberry

Exactly, there are so much more important things to life than this particular game. I get it that people are frustrated, but surely there must be a limit to that. I have notifictions sent to my email so I hear as soon as something happens, either here or on Steam. Before that all I can do is wait, rather than keep on putting more pressure on the dev.

J

i dont mind waiting a long time because i know creating a game is hard, and honestly you are doing so so well!

Andrew Williams

Exactly and it’s completely understandable as soon as we’re paying for it

Aleksa

Same

Aleksa

Right, like when they were getting evacuated from a war!? Like WHAT. Have some grace. This person’s life does not revolve around making you a horsey game, The world keeps turning!

Katie meneses

we're one step away from a full pdf file investigation atp 😭 at least we are keeping ourselves distracted

nana

I've posted on here before that I have a continuing facts document/discussion on Steam. However, I'm posting it again because I have added some info regarding some of the potential (emphasis on potential) Patreon moneys for this project. If you are a patron, I recommend you check it out. The money info can be found under the April 11, 2023 section at this link: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2299740/discussions/0/4522262583808006809/

Cloak

Just cancelled my membership I feel like we have been waiting for such a long time with no response. I don't want to give any more money to someone who won't even talk to her "fans".

kaylee

I don't blame you. I understand that something might have happened that's out of her control, but when you don't have any information to go on, what are you supposed to do? My subscription renews on the 1st of the month, so I've still got plenty of time to make my own decision.

Cloak

I will definitely resubscribe if she starts to give of some more communication

Lærke Andersen

the reason why ppl are starting to be toxic here is the 0 comunication since the 31.7. not that the game is not released yet

Nora Blažejová

that's not true.

nana

i'm giving it another week and if there still aren't any updates i'm cancelling too. i feel bad for it and if she has a reasonable excuse then i'll resubscribe but if not, oh well.

nana

I just cancled my subskription as well

Lærke Andersen

isnt it well over all the days we have to wait? its been very long since the steam page release

Sonorous

its honestly a bit frustrating to wait in the time we were waiting i have been on holiday a whole week i get she may need time but we were told that the earliest or something would be out on the 2nd of august i still have high hopes but then again every time i load the game its still the same ill give her some more time but on her tik tock she puts little teasers, it does look ready and all the posts she puts on here like I said they look ready but I don't know what's going on behind the scene ill just wait a little more.xxx

Grace

I have just cancelled mine aswell. Very sad, but when people says she is online and doesn’t give info, I can not support her anymore. I understand if she maybe have some stuff going on outside Patreon, Steam etc, but an update for us will take max 5 minutes. I think we have been very patient without any updates since the first expected release date.

Madeleine

I have just cancelled the membership. I’m starting to feel like I’m getting scammed. It’s not the first time she has left us unnoticed for a long period of time. I just feel like the subscription is not worth it anymore even though I have been excited about the game and tried to be reasonable with the creator, have patience and respect her, but this is now beyond what is fair for us as paying customers. I’m hoping that she is okay, but I cannot support this kind of behaviour anymore..

Lærke Andersen

yall the game will most likely be out next week- she has to wait 30 more days due to steams agreements an stuff-

~!Midnight_Moon!~

I'd acutally love to have some kind of info on whag is going on.

My DreamPonys

tbh at least some kind of message would be appropriate by now...

Leni

I miss u dev </3 playing the demo always bc no other horse game mechanics compare :((

pudders

It wouldn't be a mad atmosphere, nor would it of ever have gotten this far if she just made a 1 sentence post.

A

in fairness her computer breaking was a pretty reasonable and understandable delay I feel 🙈

Faith

Idk if you know but the game was supposed to release in 2023 already and after this she used to change the dates multiple times. You should read the steam Communityhub

Aleksa

Sorry, I would have posted that before, but I wasn't sure if I could post links to other sites

Cloak

Sure thing. It can be found here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2299740/discussions/0/4522262583808006809/

Cloak

Hey! Could you let me know where I can find this discussion? I don’t use patroon often. :)

abi

Ah, well the character is very good looking regardless! So excited none the less since it is a big upgrade from the demo character.

Aubrey Jones

I can also see her account and game on Steam!

SourMads

pretty sure she said there'll be no customization

nana

I don't know if she has posted something confirming this, but does anyone know if we get to customize a character?

Aubrey Jones

Agreed, I'm afraid this community has silenced the dev. If everyone could take a breath, set things into a perspective and comment after that, we would be not having such a mad atmosphere here.

J

At this point, I would cancel membership. I'm supporting for 2 years now, and thats several time when she does something like this. Its not okay to treat the whole game community her like that, especially when we support her financially.

Oiiche

She has literally not changed the date because of "stupid things", first it was the fact that the Steam page had to be approved, and then she said that August the 2nd was the EARLIEST date the game could be released, and on August the 3rd people descended into MADNESS, and they continue to do so, quite literally harassing the dev and speculating of her private life, which is none of our business. I am ashamed of this community right now, and I'm sure that the dev is literally overwhelmed by all the people speculating and accusing her of lying or scamming us. And now you also keep spreading the toxicity, if you want to cancel you subscription that's your money, do whatever with it, but do not say lies about the creator, there are posts about why the game release was postponed, she has been very transparent and communicative, despite the fact that's as a single dev of this game and having a private life so she clearly has to be busy. She has been attacked out here, and this is most likely why she went quiet, everyone would be overwhelmed. She has done so much and people treated her truly awfully, this is a truly disgusting behavior and you are adding to this crusade, which is doing exactly the opposite of what the dev needs right now.

Nina Ślązak

so you can see her account?cor not? :D

Jordan

still comes up for me when i click on her name or search her name 🤷‍♀️

Faith

I don’t know if it’s normal, since she didn’t put the game online yet, but it shows me 0 results when I click on her name on the steampage 👀

Jordan

I’m not going to support this women anymore and cancel the membership. It’s unacceptable what’s going on here. I can’t take her seriously as a game creator anymore. She basically changed the date of release several times and blamed it on some stupid things. Absolutely unacceptable and I’m not going to pay her for this behaviour. I would recommend you to also do this because she’s obviously not taking us as payers seriously :))

Aleksa

On steam, I have started a new discussion that details some facts regarding release dates, the developer's recent communications, and other things. I thought this would be helpful since there's quite a bit of confusion and speculation going on. Please go over there if you think you might this information helpful and feel free to post any additional facts that I may have missed. I'm sure I missed some lol. There's certainly a lot to this

Cloak

While I don't necessarily want to be another person wanting to ask for communication as this entire comment section is filled with it, but is it at all possible that there could be some sort of legal issue that could be going on between the dev and maybe steam, or some sort of other legal figure out there? I just don't know if some sort of NDA would prevent the dev being able to communicate with us, or some laws with an agency in their country, but I simply just trying to speculate. I truly hope that the dev is doing okay both physically and mentally.

frickst

all we have to do is wait and see what happens. i understand she hasnt communicated but she might be offline

alvinwolfie

I'm right there with you Amber. To be fair, she has disappeared for more than 10 days before, but at this point I'm honestly just confused. I get turning notifications off, but this post has almost 300 comments. How can there not be even one sentence from the Dev? My subscription already been renewed, but at this point I've been debating the same on whether I want to keep paying. Your game is about to release, so why go radio silent unless something happened?

SourMads

I would hope not. That would be terrible. I'm not sure what country the dev lives in so this may vary, but typically banks freeze the deceased person's accounts, meaning they won't allow money in or out of those accounts. I couldn't find any specific information on what Patreon would do in this case, so I'm left with my personal theory (I could be wrong) that the bank would reject any future money and Patreon would be forced to refund the money to the people (or something like that; again, I could be wrong, I'm not an expert in this). I'm not saying all of this to focus solely on the money. I'm just saying that we may have an answer to your question if Patreon is unable to process people's renewals. I certainly hope she's okay.

Cloak

Same here. My next renewal is September 1st. But I cannot justify staying a Patreon member if we do not hear from her before then. A simple one-sentence post would be enough for now.

Amber Jones

With each day that passes, she risks losing more and more people. I haven't cancelled my membership yet bc I want to see where this goes. I've been advocating for communication, but I haven't given up hope for the project yet. Also, my membership renewed on August 1, so I've got a few weeks before I'm charged again. Surely, she'll have to say something by then.

Cloak

i messaged her last wednesday and still haven't gotten a response

nana

atp i don't even need a statement abt the game. i just need to know she's alright

nana

yeah they are wondering why they arent saying anything.. probably because all these wackos have scared the dev into silence until the game is released

Katie meneses

I believe several people have DM'ed her on Patreon with no response from her.

Amber Jones

We are now going on day 9 without any communication from the Dev. I'm starting to get frustrated and worried. Communication is important to keep a game's community alive, and without any, I fear the community (and Patreon supporters) will start to leave. Is it too much to ask for just a bit of communication? A single sentence to show that she is both okay and still working on getting the game released?

Amber Jones

I know some people are worried so has anyone tried directly messaging the dev? Just to make sure they're okay. :)

abi

This is going to sound a bit morbid, but do you think Something happened and she passed away? I am really confused and worried bc she has been rlly big on communication this whole time. I truly hope she is okay.

Catherine Timmons

Yo, I keep getting faked out by IG. I've been getting notifications that a new reel has been posted by the dev, but then it turns out that it's just one of the more recent reels and not an actual new one lol

Cloak

The issue is communication. There was confusion around the release date. Some thought it would be out early July, but turns out that was only the updated demo. Again-communication would of cleared that up. Then we were told Friday the 19th. We were told if the steam page was approved in that week (which it was) we would end up with a release date of Aug 2nd tentatively. Now we are a week past the 2nd but we haven't heard anything. We have passed 3 different release dates, I'm not sure why you're wanting to label clarification questions as a tantrum. If we are donating to help development, it's a given that we will at least be kept in the loop on the development process. No one is demanding the game to come out right this second. We are confused because we've been given so many different dates and mixed answers. The dev not replying to shut down the rumors is odd. We're not trying to control her life, no one is asking for her to do more than she has development wise. Literally all of this could be resolved with a text post with one sentence. "I'm fine, game is delayed". Everyone would back off and chill. Also the dev literally stated she was making the game free because she didn't want to have to do tech support.

A

In my view maturity shows how a person handles situations when things do not go as he/she expected. Having a tantrum for imagining a deadline for a project, pressing a person to give answers on social media when said imaginary deadline is not met and demanding content for a project to which a person freely donated is not mature behaviour. Having concerns for the person's safety is completely right however the people willingly participating in a development project have zero business knowing about his/her health condition or family matters as well as have equally 0 rights to dictate how the developer spends his/her free time.

mimic ri

I’m not sure if you’re replying to me or not, but I get why people are upset over this. I am a bit too, which is why I cancelled my membership. But, it’s bordering on parasocial for the people jumping to conclusions as to why she’s gone silent. Maybe I’ve just been watching game development for too long and my expectations are just really low 🥲

Maximiliano!

Not involving the community is a good idea. However, calling someone "uneducated" for asking questions about a deadline that has passed is absolutely immature and ridiculous. No one is having an issue with waiting for the game to come out. The issue is that we've met several deadlines with no word from the dev. She isn't required to give us a date but she did, but why go completely silent? Especially when it would literally close every comment on this thread and completely quiet the rumors floating around. I have only checked in on this game via patreon about once a day. I, like everyone else, was at least expecting some sort of "hey, im fine! no release yet" and we would of all wished her well and waited to hear from her again whenever she came back. There are a ton of people on here who have spent hundreds of dollars in memberships and such. I think the white knight complex some of you have on here is just straight weird. Calling someone uneducated is not the way to handle any type of issue, especially when the only issue is us being concerned for her safety.

A

I totally understand why people are getting impatient at this point. It’s been a long wait. That said, we do have a demo to tide us over and there’s nothing we can do at this point. And jumping to conclusions of her being in the hospital is insane

Maximiliano!

Honestly, only thing I'm worried about is this community's impatience and expectations. Especially when there is only one person working on the game. The pressure from fans can easilly burn them out and then we really won't have a finished game.

J

Ah, i thought they did show a good game with the og trailers. Apologies, I was wrong. I just,,, worry about, horse games along with dino and dragon games lol. Those types of games seem to have, the hardest time.

EchoDaDragon

Astride is in an extreme pre-alpha state, so that’s not a good example. Astride also never showed an amazing game, they showed textures and animations. TORR has shown gameplay which is a whole different ball game

Maximiliano!

Ooh i see. The thing wirh the demo thoigh, I mean, look at astride. It was showing to be this amazing game and once it was released, ir didnt even have a rider for the horse, or tack.

EchoDaDragon

I totally understand that POV, I’m specifically talking about people speculating that she died or something. But also, game devs do go missing sometimes. She’s already given us a demo and shown proof of the game being made, so I think it’s unlikely for it to be a scam at this point

Maximiliano!

The only reason why, I am worried about the sudden silence near the earilest release date, is because the fact that, so many horse games end up falling through or just being a scam. It just makes me worried is all.

EchoDaDragon

Finally someone talking sense!

J

Its like the aftermath of an apocalypse, weirdly quiet, lol

Sonorous

yes i think at this point everyone has said what they wanted to say more than once that there is nothing more to do than just leave it now 😅

Faith

Game devs are notorious for missing deadlines and being quiet. They are busy. Yes, we are paying her and communication would be ideal but we’ve been waiting for over 4 years for this game. The steam page says it’ll be this summer. So hopefully it will be. Other game devs simply go dark for months on end because the community is so harsh and the expectations become unreasonable. There a few steps in between “she’s late to the deadline and we’d like to know why” to “she must have been in a horrible accident” Like guys! That’s a huge leap! She could simply be ignoring us right now because we’re honestly being crazy and need to chill out

Maximiliano!

Yes, I hope the dev is an easygoing person because this behaviour already made me decide if I'll ever do something similar I won't involve "the community". Seems these people have nothing to do and also they aren't educated enough to wait.

mimic ri

The slow descent into madness on this Patreon page 🙃

Maximiliano!

Even if there is a 30 day cooldown for a game to be published on steam....that still isn't going to affect her ability to say "Everything is fine! waiting for steam" or something along those lines

A

this is wild. im actually scared. as leontine said, we need a post saying "hey! im alive, i need to tweak the game/have some time off" because she actually is worrying me.

eris or yokai

Honestly it’s getting alarming… The last time we heard from her was when she posted a story on insta saying that she unfortunately has to cancel the option to follow her insta exclusive content. That was like a week ago. Unless something BAD has happened to her or in her life, I can’t think of any reason why she wouldn’t be communicating in this crucial moment. At this point I‘m losing hope that we’ll hear from her anytime soon?? I really hope she’s doing alright and nothing serious has happened. I‘d literally be happy about a post saying “I‘m alive“. Then we could stop worrying about her :(

Leontine

Nevermind. I'm seeing this is an issue on other game pages. So, this might just be a Steam issue. Sorry about that

Cloak

Umm...is anyone else having a problem seeing the game pictures in the "About This Game" section on the Steam page? They've literally disappeared for me. All I can see is the missing picture icons. I'm experiencing this on the website, the desktop app, and on the mobile app. Checking here in case this is only happening to me.

Cloak

no

Sandra Jakson

Any updates anywhere? Insta, Youtube, TikTok?

Amber Jones

:( That's really unfortunate, thank you for looking into it!

SourMads

https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Your-Game-on-Steam this explains everything that needs to be done, i had read it before hence why i know the game has already been submitted a while ago and the fee paid. unfortunately again proves it's nothing on steam's end anymore.

nana

no it's a fee you pay to be able to publish your game. it's the first thing you do according to google

nana

I don't think its the same thing, because I thought the fee was to make the page public and reviewed?

SourMads

it seems the Steam page was created in January last year though, i think that's when you'd pay the fee. however it could have been around the time that she said the date was postponed (July 13). that it would push it to August 12 but i'd think she'd have known for a while because as she said the approval had been rejected 1x before (so make that a week earlier). my point is unfortunately i don't think that's the issue.

nana

Thank you for finding this information, this makes a lot of sense!

SourMads

i'd think the fee would've already been paid a while ago tho. maybe not. but that's a good catch!!

nana

Okay everyone. I have done some digging and I found some information why we don’t have game yet and I don’t think it is a great news this is what I found when I was researching uplouding game on steam: Keep in mind, there’s a waiting game involved too. After coughing up the app fee, there’s a mandatory 30-day cooldown before your game can officially launch. During this time, it’s wise to have your store page out in the world with a ‘coming soon’ tag at least two weeks prior to launch. This not only builds hype but also gathers an audience already hooked and waiting for release day. So I think that sadly we will have to wait at best another week or so before we can play this game. So please be patient with dev I know that she is doing everything she can to make the launch the best she can and is probably overwhelmed so we have to support her the best we can ❤️ Dev if you’re reading this don’t worry and do your work we will wait ☺️

Weronika

That's a good point, but I would think you'd get notifications for those so you know what's changing with your game. I think it would be weird for her not to, but I also don't know much about those files :,) I also checked again, and there was another time change for 08/06/2024 at 10:30 UTC. So clearly things are being updated still? That also makes me wonder if she's still waiting on steam if it's truly not her.

SourMads

here's the explanation from the steamdb website: When an application or package changes, Steam creates a "changelist" to notify all Steam clients that something changed. This changelist has a number, referred to as a changenumber. This changenumber increments globally and is not a per-app thing. Change list and number terminology comes from Perforce, a version history control software, which Valve uses internally. App and package updates do not even have to be related to the app/package itself as Valve does periodical changes to a batch of apps/packages. Usually when such a change happens, it affects many apps at once. For a changenumber to change on an app that hasn't been active in months, it's more likely a useless change rather than a sign of life.

nana

well who really knows

Jana

i did some reading and i think the changes aren't made by her

nana

Honestly we are all paying money for this game to be conpleted and to develop furthur i think the dev should have more communication because its really weird that they havent said anything. We just need a statement how its going and if we can expect it anytime soon. And saying her pc broke isnt an excuse since you can just make a post via your phone

Red Bird

I just saw the database on steam and she was online 47 minutes ago for me so today. she could be looking at stuff before it is public

Jana

According to someone on steam that checked the steam database website, she was online on the 3rd, possibly tweaking the game? So she couldnt of been in any accident by then if she was on steam at that time. This leads me to believe she is either busy or doing something else at this moment. Still weird to leave before telling anyone or releasing a relatively complete build of the early access, right?

Sonorous

They‘re not Mac friendly but you can download windows on mac. That’s what I did for the demo - it works :)

Leontine

I'm glad to hear this actually! Still makes it weird that she hasn't said anything. Just a thought and I doubt it is this but part of me feels that it is some kind of promotional strategy as everyone right now is checking socials etc. to see if anything has been posted! The discussions etc. as well are also going to be boosting those social media pages and the discussions being about her lack of communication means that people are waiting for her to communicate so should in theory be all over the post she makes when she does so. It's just a thought but would make some kind of sense 😂

Faith

I wholeheartedly agree!

Just Robine

Yes exactly, We need a little update on something, just so we know what's going on

Mier2001

I wouldn't care if they game had to be in development for another year without any release this year. The issue everyone is upset about is NO communication at all. This isn't being impatient, nor are we asking the dev to do any extra work or anything special. We are just wanting to know what's going on with the release date. No communication has left this area in complete disarray. We all understand she has a personal life and this isn't her only thing to work on. Again, it's not the actual work or the game itself; we just want to know wtf is going on with the dates. Everyone is confused and rumors are flying since we are left to speculate about what might be. We just want a "hey! things are fine, game has been delayed until X time" literally just anything. I think the people who are calling this a scam need to sit down for a minute. Her not replying to anything doesn't make this a scam, and speculating that way isn't doing any good for her or us. Even just a quick "hey! I haven't abandoned the game, just need a few weeks to rest" would work. There needs to be some type of post or something just to quiet those rumors and get everyone in the same head space

A

Maybe she broke her phone? We’re all jumping to conclusions here. Or maybe her phone company shut her phone off. Aug 2 wasn’t a hard date either, it was the absolute earliest date possible. She did not say it was going to be out on August 2nd and currently the steam page just says that the game is coming summer of 2024.

Maximiliano!

If you scroll down or look on Steam you can find videos of jumpers and cross country :)

SourMads

I believe so, along with the jumping that was in demo i assume? maybe? I know she mentioned dressage

Sandra Jakson

also just random question, is dressage going to be the ONLY feature in the first release?

nana

Thanks for the clarification :) Sorry if I came off aggressive in my post or reply! That was never my intention. I understand she probably feels an immense amount of pressure epsecially with everyone in her comments. And honestly I feel a little bad being one of those commenters…It’s a lot of emotions coming out and most of the frustration people are expressing is coming from a good place. At least I hope it is!

pudders

no and there are no plans for it to be on mac

nana

On steam it says the minimum requirements are Windows 10 and directX version 11. Maybe stay on pc just in case?

SourMads

Hey pudders, I'm not here to argue, and I am sorry if you think I was stating all of that information to put you down, that is not my intent. I also want to note that I am not attacking those wanting communication. And look, as I mentioned in my post, I understand the want for communication, and I personally agree that some communication is good business practice as someone who is a business student. I was only trying to correct you because we are not her employers. However I am coming from a background in which being a solo developer and or entrepreneur is an incredibly difficult thing to endure. While of course there can be immense improvements for communication, we truly don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I'm personally just trying to give the benefit of the doubt and believe there is something that could of happened to her to make her genuinely not be able to communicate with us. I also don't know if there is some sort of legal thing that is going on between steam and the developer that prevents her to talk about it. Again, I am only making assumptions but really just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. I know you are truly excited for the game, I think we all honestly and of course want some sort of content. It's easy to assume that someone is attacking the dev because of how things are written, we don't see the persons facial or body expression to truly know what they feel. Thanks for your reply. :)

frickst

It is not. As of now, I do not believe she has plans for Mac compatibility.

Amber Jones

Does anyone know if the demo and early access game are Mac friendly?

Kate

Also just want to say; None of my posts have been made to "attack" the developer of this game. I was honestly curious to see what the rest of the community was thinking and feeling. And I am pretty sure we’re all here because we care about the game and are excited for it! It’s a lot of comments asking for answers yes, but it’s because we actually care about the project AND the dev.

pudders

I'm not stupid lol I know it's a choice to support her and this game. It does not make it right that she has gone silent or excuse it though. Kind of confused why everyone thinks people asking for basic communication is them attacking her? Also I am aware she is doing this on her own although I am not sure what that has to do with her making a statement on the games status. And while yes we don't provide an hourly salary for her this game would not be possible without people paying her. It's just out of respect and generally good business practice to keep good communication and rapport with your community :) Especially if they are keeping your project afloat.

pudders

Ohhh good call! You're right, at least we know she's around :)

SourMads

I don't believe she mentioned anything about making custom cross country/dressage courses. I can imagine it would likely be easier to make a custom cross country course that would operate similarly to edit arena in the demo just with more terrain to work with. However I think custom dressage courses/test are likely going to be way harder to make. But this would be a really cool feature to add though!

frickst

i checked steamdb and it says the changes were only to the tags so idk if she really is changing anything internally. ty for the info btw, good to know she's at least.... around???

nana

I think we're all on the same page :) Obviously, things can happen in 2 days, but I was saying that more so as an update to let people know it's not a scam, and that she's still tweaking things! This means she's likely okay :) (I don't want to speak for her though, these are my assumptions!)

SourMads

i just wish she'd say something. again unless something bad happened, it's almost disrespectful to not give one single statement to the hundreds of ppl who r confused with the situation. just 1 single post would be more than enough atp.

nana

We are not her legal employer, you are supporting a project rather than actually paying her to do the job in an hourly/salary base. You have to understand that this situation is different, it is not some big triple A company that is producing this game and have millions of dollars of budgeting, this is a project in which dev herself wanted to do and gave us a choice in which we can support her. While I understand your view in wanting to get communication (and again, I totally understand that) there is only so little you can do at this point. This entire post is filled with comments about "when is she going to post something". She will post a response when she is ready to do so, we can only hope that everything is okay and that she will eventually let us know what is going on.

frickst

So, I did some digging because like all of you guys, I'm curious about what's going on too. I think everything is fine with the dev because on steamdb it says, "Last Record Update: 3rd August 2024" around 2:30pm UTC. She was on it the day after its earliest release date :). She's probably just getting the game ready, and hopefully it will be out soon!

SourMads

that's true but this situation is different bc there was an actual date given. last time she had to postpone it she at least said something. like sorry but there is no way she isnt seeing all the comments in here/insta/tiktok/steam.

nana

I know everyone is super excited for the game to come just like me however we have to remain respectful for the dev; she has her own life. I do understand with the timing, a little communication about a timeline, etc., would be super helpful for all the excited players

Marta

Honestly she goes missing all the time and this isn’t the first time a deadline has been missed

Maximiliano!

Guys dont worry, I think we need to take a sec to remember how far we have all come, especially her she wouldn’t just stop communication w us unless it’s something important

Stella

I'm worried for her aswell, but all we can do is be patient. It's also possible she's enjoying the weekend or on a trip. It's only the day after the weekend after all.

May

idk if that's the case, i mean she could use her phone. unfortunately i'm rlly leaning towards something more serious w her/someone she knows.

nana

Her computer probably broke again or something

Maximiliano!

Okay. I'm done here. We've devolved into disagreeing about comment sections, and I'm just not going to do that. The horse gaming community really needs to take a look at itself. No wonder these games never get released.

Cloak

What you say about steam is true, but IG commenting sucks. It's so easy for comments to get swallowed there. Same goes for TikTok

Cloak

Part of why this post is getting so bombarded is because there's no other place for people to ask questions or vent frustrations. There's no discord or subreddit to talk about these things. All there is is this post.

Cloak

Okkkaaaayyyy yall, let’s not fight😅 I understand where both of yall are coming from. It’s not unreasonable to be updated, and it’s not unreasonable to just wait a bit longer for the dev (hopefully under the impression she’s okay!). The only reason why this post specifically is being bombarded (if you will) with comments is because this is the most recent post she made. She was able to send pictures of the game the day before release, but not a single sentence worth of an update on when the game may release😅 Obviously I don’t think we’re being scammed. We’ve seen the updates, the game is literally on steam. Let’s all just calm down and step away for a day or two. Because even though there was a point made of, “it’s not okay to keep bombarding a post,” yall arguing back and forth is doing just that😂. The game will come out, we just don’t know when yet. Just check in the morning and evening, and eventually there will be an update🙂

SourMads

what you guys have to understand is that the estimated date was given bc she didn't know when the page would go up - if it went up that week then the release date WOULD be the 2nd. and it did, so...

nana

It is her personal project that you chose to support. Hence the word Patreon.

mimic ri

@Aubrey Jones You want to talk about treating people with dignity and respect, maybe look in a mirror. I came on here advocating for communication because I could not imagine a situation where I would take literal thousands of dollars people and leave them hanging at a crucial moment. I've only posted on here as much as I have because there are now dozens of comments here attacking those of us who are just asking questions. And now you dare to get mad at us for protecting ourselves and our stance when you and others are the ones who came in here and started this. You called us out first. Is it any wonder we protected ourselves? Respect. What a hypocrite. You've been disrespectful to us from moment one. Well, I'm done. I will not waste anymore of my time on someone like you.

Cloak

I wouldnt say its "bombarding" but that the discussions of the release day began on this post because it was the most recent. The comments have just evolved to our current discussion, being the lack of communication. We are actively having a group discussion and it is changing to reflect the current state of our feelings and the state of a topic (that being TORR).

Sonorous

Yes, asking for communication is not complaining, but there is a right and a wrong way to ask. Also, bombarding a post for communication is not the way to go about it.

Aubrey Jones

if i am consistently paying money to someone to complete a project i think it is more than just supporting! yes i choose to spend money on this, but that doesn’t mean i am just mindlessly supporting her projects!

pudders

I agree the timing is suspicious, she has had longer breaks but not at such a important and exciting time of development. ESPECIALLY considering the state of horse games currently

Sonorous

We are not her employers, we are her supporters.

Aubrey Jones

Yes, I honestly feel bad for all the comments she's going to see of people complaining and calling her out for "bad communication" when she explicitly said the earliest it could come out (keyword "could") would be the 2nd, but that it wouldn't release at that time. I mean, some people are so impatient that they aren't getting communication that somebody questioned if they were being scammed. Seriously? That's insane. It is valid to want answers, but it's not okay to keep bombarding a post when you don't get what you want. Cloak, saying I'm shutting them down just because they want to "hold bad communication accountable." When in reality, I'm not saying people can't want answers, or a post, but there is a right way to go about it in asking. Bombarding a dev for them possibly taking a few days for themselves, or if something happened, or if they are busy working, is just downright absurd. There are many likely reasons the dev hasn't made a post right now, and nobody here who is impatient is thinking! How would you feel as a game developer if you came back while tweaking some stuff, or from some emergency so Patreon wasn't on your priority, and your community has so little trust in you that they won't even wait a few days for the game to be posted? People care more about this game than the developer, saying people defending her have toxic positivity when in reality I am treating her like a person, not just "the developer of the game." She has spent countless years on this project for all of us and it's frankly sad to see so many people jumping the gun and posting impatient, or rude comments about the situation. We have all been patient for so long so far, it won't kill anyone to just wait a little longer. It certainly won't kill anyone to treat this dev with decent common curtesy either. So at the end of the day, if you're going to bombard a post, or comment very impatiently, or even think you're being scammed, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe take a break from social media for a bit, clear your head, play something else even. The game will come in due time. I know most of us are here because we have paid money. I know some of us don't have a lot of money to pay, or they don't have a stable job to do so, like myself. But I am here to support, and we are paying for support. We are not paying to be impatient, or rude, or act like the dev doesn't have a life of her own. Learn to treat everyone with dignity, and respect.

Aubrey Jones

psa that asking for basic communication is not complaining. i understand something COULD have happened to her, but the timing of her silence is definitely suspicious. we are basically her employers with this project and all we are asking for is a one sentence statement.

pudders

But the people that want answers maybe should think why she hasn’t gave us an answer like it 90% a reason that she isn’t active 🫶🏼

meagan garphorn

is any1 subscribed to her insta membership? i doubt it but i wonder if maybe she posted something in those??

nana

Yes, you are. You specifically are discounting me and my opinions on this matter, and I've had enough of it. Is this how this community behaves? Shutting down people who try to hold bad communication accountable. If so, then it's no wonder the horse gaming community is so plagued with bad communication from its developers because all of the toxic positivity people validate them when they disappear. Well, I've had it. I'm out. I will not be a part of a community that is this toxic. No game is worth this

Cloak

I mean yeah she could have updated us but if she hasn’t I think something is “wrong with her ”, truly I think something has happened to her and I feel bad when she’s gonna look at everyone’s comments and we should just be thankful that we get a FREE horse game

meagan garphorn

We are not discounting you wanting clarification, it's the amount of messages you have posted about it. Countless messages asking for it. That is being impatient, and can be considered "complaining" for the lack of communication. One message would be enough.

Aubrey Jones

Asking for clarification is not complaining. Please stop discounting those of us who would like a response.

Cloak

Exactly! There would be a reason she has not posted anything yet and I just can't believe people would think that someone would remember to post on their social if something happened. Even if something didn't happen, she shouldn't have to be on her social 24/7.

Aubrey Jones

Is it just me or like maybe something bad has happened, she has “maybe” been in a accident or something like that so you never know, so pls stop “complaining ” on her, she has done her best to make us a game and she never said it will come out the 2nd she said around.💕

meagan garphorn

She mentioned it might become a feature to create our own dressage tests but never confirmed it.

Amber Jones

I am in game development. I have 2 games in development right now, and have been supporting this and several others on patreon/go fund me and kickstarter. I know how difficult it is to create and manage a game. I've been following this specific game since it was labelled horsegame.exe on youtube years ago. I work heavily with both unity and unreal engine 5. If the developer does not want any pressure related to a game, then a release date or anything shouldn't be posted until everything is in line and all t's and I's are crossed and dotted. The horse game community has such a bad reputation for scams and bad launches that it's almost a known thing not to give a release date until you're 100% sure about it. Regardless, the least a dev can do is say "look I said this day but no, its' not this day here's the actual day. Sorry". Everyone would be fine and wait. The decision to not say ANYTHING leads to what you're seeing here which is arguments and disagreements. No one is upset about it coming out later or the release being pushed back. The issue is we are hearing NOTHING from the dev at all.

A

Random gameplay question that I have: Does anyone recall if the dev previously mentioned anything about the ability to create your own dressage and cross country courses like we could with show jumping in the demo? It'd be cool if we could. It'd be a great way to extend gameplay once the story is complete. So, does anyone remember?

Cloak

it might be just a passion project but we are still funding it lol

nana

It started off as a passion project. I‘m sorry to disagree but at this point it IS her job, cuz she made it public and people pay for it. I already replied to another comment but I‘ll gladly explain my perspective again. She chose to make her project development public and she chose to give us the opportunity to support her financially. Of course WE chose to pay for patreon, but we’re the reason she could develop this game further and make it free for everyone. Just like every employer choses to hire their employees, they will chose to not pay them further if they don’t do their work. And if you don’t like the comparison that we’re her employers, we could also be her customers but that still doesn’t mean she cannot give us the service she promised. You wouldn’t pay someone for a service without receiving it in return. I know that she’s human and I know that things can happen, which is totally fine. I‘m not mad if the game is postponed for a few more days or weeks. It’s just that we pay her money to work on this game and to release it, which makes her responsible to at least communicate. Of course I could cancel my subscription, which I don’t want to cuz I‘m happy to support her. But if I were her I wouldn’t want to get a bad reputation or people to be disappointed or even saying this is a scam, since this is her passion project. And I really don’t mean to be rude. But she chose to do this as a job (if I remember correctly she even once stated that the game development is her full time job) and therefore she can’t expect us to not want transparency as to why she’s not “working“

Leontine

I agree except that the game development and patreon IS her job. If I remember it correctly she even once said that the game is basically her full time job atm. Plus, even if she does have another job or other commitments irl, it is okay to expect a tiny bit of information and communication regarding this ”job“. Everyone has other commitments in life, I for example study and have two jobs plus a personal life including responsibilities for family and pets. I chose this life and therefore I am obliged to tell all my employers when I‘m sick and can’t come to work. Just because I have lots to do in one job or have commitments in my personal life, doesn’t mean I can just not go to the other job without any communication. And ofc we chose to pay for patreon, but we‘re the reason she even could develop this game further and make it free for everyone. I think that’s enough reason to expect some transparency. I wouldn’t be mad if she says that the release will be postponed for a few more days or weeks, but literally vanishing right before the big release feels like she doesn’t really appreciate us. And if I were her, I would hate for people to assume that this is a scam or people losing interest due to disappointment. Other than that I really hope she’s doing fine and will update us soon :)

Leontine

This is not her job, its a passion project. you made the choice to fund the project and you were never forced to. Shes only human like the rest of us, and things happen

cj

i agree, like the longer we dont get answers the more we pay to be on pateron.

Hana

I understand that she has a life. I'm not expecting the dev to give up her life or even her whole weekend. I believe in a strong life work balance. All I am asking for is a brief post that would take 5 minutes. That's all I'm asking for. I don't think that's unreasonable especially for those of us who are paying her. I don't make a lot of money. Every dollar I spend counts, and I have chosen to back this project because I strongly believe in it. And I have done so for the past 2 years. If the dev doesn't consider that to be deserving of a little social media post, then I will not be likely to support any of this dev's future projects if there are any. I'm only sticking with this one because we are so close to the game's completion.

Cloak

I'm sorry but if you think wanting answers because we are PAYING for a game then you have never seen the way people are treated in work environments. Also the game is a horse game, which have usually ended in disaster, scams or just cash grabs (examples include ETG,SSO and many other cancelled horse games that were just scams). We are well in our rights to want to know what is happening since most of us have been in the Horse Game Trenches (trademark pending). All of this combined makes it understandable for people to be slightly pessimistic. Life isnt sunshine and rainbows, expecting the worse is a natural thought.

Sonorous

I agree that good things are worth waiting for. I'm really looking forward to this game

Cloak

Yep, hard for some people to believe developers have a life.

Aubrey Jones

It is honestly ridiculous that people are jumping to this game being a scam!! Crazy...

Faith

yes I am really looking forward to getting to test out the mechanics soon hopefully 🙈

Faith

Yes! I am very excited but am just taking up some other games right now while I wait. I usually just check in every 6 hours, so morning noon and night.

Aubrey Jones

Yes, it is highly unlikely this is a scam and the fact some people are coming to that conclusion after only 4 days is frankly absurd. This game has taken her 4 years of her life, and she herself has been posting many videos within the past few months. I understand that you, Cloak, are frustrated with the communication. But once again I will reiterate, people have lives, she may not be focusing on patreon right now, and yes, while people have been paying, we were not paying for communication. We have been paying for support.

Aubrey Jones

This game will be awesome when it comes out! Good things are worth waiting for 😊

paiton

yes she left from the 15th december 2023 until 20th march 2024 - that was the longest time and then i think between april and june maybe? but no dates were attached as you said so it didn't really matter quite so much as there was less of an expectation. I just really hope this is a temporary thing which has very quickly become a big thing on here and not a whole 2/3 month leave 🤷‍♀️

Faith

I agree not everyone is like that..but you do get some that are really impatient.. i suggest some people put it on there wishlist and play something else for a couple of days or weeks we never know. but what im saying is that people are saying..were gettign scammed and all.. were not.. well i think were not.. it was kinda us who helped her get to this point! x. and if u dont wanna pay then perhaps just put it on ur wishlist and cancel the subscription. and play a diff game for a while.

^^L1L^^

It's true that she has been gone longer before. If memory serves me, she's been gone for up to 2 months before. At the time, it was long enough for me to think to myself, "Hmmm...I wish she'd say something even if it's just a small update" but she'd usually update before I got to the point of actually saying something. The difference here is that she started attaching dates, which in retrospect she probably shouldn't have done, but you live and you learn. I'm willing to let that part go, but I can't let go of the communication until there is some communication. I just can't. I'm going to keep advocating for communication until I see it because I've seen far too many projects fall apart due to poor communication.

Cloak

I'm talking about a lot of the earlier comments. Never said anyone was bad people. I just think a lot of people don't realize how difficult game development is. It shows, and I know people are worried about her being off social media but it's becoming absurd. She has gone off social media for more than 4 days before and nobody batted an eye, but now with the final product so close, people are impatient and jumping the gun. I also never said anything about thinking that communication is unreasonable. It is valid for people to want it but they need to think more before they comment something. Some of the comments I've read have come across rude, some have been fine. Also lack of communication can happen in any game development.

Aubrey Jones

she has a say. the game has been uploaded to steam. she just has to make it available to public and that can be done at any time. again she could just post 1 tiny statement on what's happening and ppl would stop talking abt it, plain and simple. UNLESS something serious has happened the least she could do is clarify things to ppl who have supported her without complaints for literal years

nana

Yet again, I'm here to say that we are not rude for asking for basic communication. At this point, the issue isn't even about the release date. I don't want her to give me a release date she doesn't have. I just want her to make some post clarifying the situation. All she has to say is "I'm sorry. I'm waiting for some things to finalize. You'll hear from me again soon." Such a post would take 5 minutes. If I were the developer, I would feel obligated to say something. I can't imagine taking people's money and thinking that it's okay to just ghost them (which she has done for the past 3 days). I can't fathom why she doesn't feel the same way. Also, a bit of her world does revolve around this patreon because we are paying her. To ask for a small post really isn't that unreasonable, and it's disturbing to me that there are so many people on here that think that is unreasonable. Lack of communication is one of the biggest plagues in horse gaming development, and the toxic positivity only encourages that behavior.

Cloak

i don't see how wanting answers regarding something we PAY for makes us bad ppl. and a lot of the comments state they're worried about her because of her being completely gone off social media.

nana

How do you all think the dev will feel when she sees all of these comments? People being impatient and some just downright rude. We are all human, and we all have lives. There must be some reason why she hasn't made another post yet, whatever it may be. The fact that some of you people are so incessant on this game releasing that most people are bombarding this post with comments about it. I get you're frustrated but have some respect, be grateful for the fact that the game has made it this far in the first place! Game development is extremely tedious, and most games don't even get off the ground. I know most of us here have supported monthly for years now, but the game is almost here. Just be a little more patient, the game will come. It is not the end of the world. The dev does not have to make her world revolve around us all and this patreon.

Aubrey Jones

They wouldn't scam us on a game they spent 4 years working on, plus steam doesn't upload on weekends, and the dev could be just hanging out with family.

Samantha Manko

Your questions are valid. I want you to know that since some people on here think it's acceptable to attack those who do have questions and would like more communication. Personally, I don't think this is a scam at this time. That's just my personal stance. We have a really good demo and a plethora of videos of the new gameplay as evidence that the dev has worked on this project. I would have to not hear from the dev for weeks before I started thinking it was a scam. Again, that's just my personal stance. Due to bad previous experiences with gaming scams, I understand why some might be concerned that this is another one of those situations.

Cloak

Yo, don't yell at them. It's not unreasonable to request an update from the developer. This commenter has a right to ask questions.

Cloak

then cancel your subscription??? the game's page is up on Steam, and the developer has no say in when it actually gets published for download on Steam. It's been known for a few weeks now that the game would be a free Steam Download once it's published and it's literally been 4 days since the last post here, be a little more patient. Game developers also have lives you know

feather

Also while yes the game is being released for “free” everyone here on patreon is still paying her monthly :’)

pudders

I am sorry to bother you with my post. I did say in my comment that I would hate to assume that we are being scammed. When we have been consistently funding a project for quite some time it can feel frustrating. The absolute silence is what most people are concerned about. No matter what if someone was paying me money for something I would want to keep them updated.

pudders

we are not being scammed? you can't be scammed out of a free game and that is a really bold assumption for her being silent for less than a week and given allll the updates on here for a very original game and recently updated demo. So no it is very unlikely that we are being scammed 🙄

Faith

@nana that sucks. lmk when you get any response // @Cloak yeah same, I'd hate to bombard her yk?

Sonorous

yeah maybe her internet is dead or something

Fee Bijl

But you basically are saying it's mean because you're accusing us of being mean to the dev because we dare to ask for said communication. I do care about the dev. I hope she's okay, but that doesn't excuse lack of communication. If she would just come out and say, "I'm sorry. Some stuff's going on. I'll be back soon" then I would be fine for a time. That's literally all I need. It would literally take just a few minutes, and I don't understand why some people think that is an unreasonable thing to ask for. I'm not going to stop advocating for communication until she's done it. You're allowed to not want that communication. You're allowed to not advocate for it. That's your stance, but do not attack the rest of us for holding game developers accountable for their communication. Also, she has been silent here before. For weeks (sometimes even a couple of months) at a time. If you doubt me, you can literally scroll through the posts and see for yourself.

Cloak

did we get scammed? i mean i hate to assume that, but this is getting to be a little ridiculous, no? she should definitely update what are essentially paying customers.

pudders

again the game already has been uploaded and approved along w/ the page. the only thing that's left to do is for the dev to make it available to the public which can be done at any time. atp it's not even abt releasing the game anymore it's about releasing a statement.

nana

Loads of people are getting impatient now.. we just have to wait.. plus..steam doesn't upload games etc on the weekends.. so we cant blame it on the dev as she probably wants to spend time with friends and family... yes it has been the 2 weeks mark but it takes a couple of days for steam to check if there's any bugs etc. plus they don't upload etc on weekends so its probably that.

^^L1L^^

this would make sense if it is the case so if it releases tomorrow then I feel a lot of what is on here and every other platform will settle down but equally a comment just saying that from the dev would have been helpful but I fear this is not entirely the case 🤷‍♀️

Faith

Sorry I meant like release the game, I could be wrong but that’s what it looks like from info online

Trina Ruhland

i messaged her a few days ago asking abt the release date and never got a reply. but last time i messaged she took like a week to reply while being active here so she just doesn't check that much

nana

I'm not saying asking for basic communication is mean. I'm saying that the way some people are wording their concerns makes it seem like they don't care about the dev and what could be going on. As I stated above, I agree some communication would be nice, but there should not be a fight in the comments about communication and lack thereof. I would LOVE to see something from the dev, but I'm also worried about the dev's silence with all these comments here and on Steam and Instagram. It's not like her to be this silent as she hasn't been in a while. I want to see communication, but I'm not going to sit here and demand it from someone.

Amber Jones

The only reason I haven't messaged her is I feel sure other people have and that my message would just get lost in the shuffle.

Cloak

Fr I hope she's ok

Lararos10

I want to make this crystal clear: Asking for basic communication is not mean. It's not complaining. Most importantly, it is not unreasonable to ask for basic communication. In fact, it's unreasonable to expect us to just be okay with the lack of communication. And the only reason this game is able to be free is because we backed it. It is not unreasonable for us to ask for basic communication. If I were the developer, I cannot imagine a scenario (unless I was literally unconscious) where I wouldn't feel obligated to say something even if it was just a brief post that said, "Hey, I'm sorry. Something's come up. I will say something soon." That would take maybe 5 minutes.

Cloak

a bunch of ppl on steam are accusing her of scamming now. i'm sure that's not the case but again i'd just really appreciate one single comment from her explaining what happened. it's hard not to worry about her wellbeing when she just disappeared and there's no way she isn't seeing the literal 100s of comments on steam/patreon/tiktok/insta. it takes 1 minute to just make a quick statement.

nana

the game HAS been uploaded already. she just couldn't make the game public until the page had been up for 2wks which was on friday. doesn't matter if it's the weekend.

nana

I don't know where you saw that, but the dev hasn't said that the game will come out tomorrow. Yet another reason why the dev should say something because now people are spreading random dates.

Cloak

I looked this up online and it looks like steam doesn’t work on the weekends/ doesn’t let people upload their games during the weekend, this might be part of the delay

Trina Ruhland

even tho i am a bit frustrated about this but it getting out of hand but this comment is so real

Jana

i understand that we are getting a bid mad about all this but i have saw that the game will probs come out tomorrow as i did see it but unsure what time. the dev said that the earliest would be the 2nd not when it will come out. so please calm ur ass down and wait, we chosen to pay not the dev.

Jana

I do agree with this but this isn't the first time she has gone completely silent before (though it is more noticeable at this point so close to release and people being more involved on here) and although this was for good reason, if she does the same again, i don't think people are going to be overly happy (i agree with you and am happy to wait for her etc. but a lot of people aren't so a 2 minute "unforeseen circumstances have come up, please bear with me and I will update you all soon" doesn't seem like a lot to ask for her to give us over the next couple of days)

Faith

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Stella

Amber Jones

Weird question but has anyone used the message feature to contact her and ask what is going on? Just an idea

Sonorous

Welcome! We are currently in a stage of *mild* panic xD

Sonorous

We are also playing her for this kind of information. She should be communicating regularly.

Sonorous

Preach. I think that wanting an update from dev is not much to ask for. She has been so good at keeping us updated until now. I hope the dev will take some time to give us any update.

Madeleine

I'm with you, especially with past horse games and such she should be more willing to discuss the game and answer our questions. The only reason I can think of to why she isnt responding is her internet went down but if so its been down for 3 days. Thats pretty long, right?

Sonorous

Honestly, I feel let down. This is the third day that the game could have potentially been released and there’s still no sign, not a word of the dev. I think we all just want some clarification. And we deserve some information, especially cuz we’re funding this project. Even if something has happened in her real life - which I really don’t hope - she ows us just a 2 minute post, saying that we‘ll have to wait a little longer for the release. I‘m sorry to say this, but she can’t just not come to „work“ and expect everyone not to wonder, worry or complain about it. We‘re basically her employer, as we‘re paying her, and she should „call in sick“ if something in her life is keeping her from working on this game. The silence just makes the community impatient. And I‘m not saying this to hate on her, but it’s not too much to ask for clarification, communication and transparency. She did such a great job developing this game, keeping us involved and doing this all by herself - but this silence right before the big release that we‘ve all been waiting for for years, just doesn’t sit right with me…

Leontine

yes and I think this is the issue. Part of me thinks that maybe something has happened, not necessarily to her but family etc. and everyone has come on here pretty hard with discussions which may have overwhelmed the dev a little but the longer the silence continues, the worse it's going to get at this point! There's a lot of discussion about this on steam I have just seen too and seeing as it can be so easily cleared up, it feels kinda annoying but all in all I hope all is well with the dev and we hear from her soon!

Faith

She can make a post from her phone. In this tech advanced age, there are very few reasons why she couldn't be able to make a post. Unless something has happened to her (which I hope not, that would be awful), then she is willfully ignoring us.

Cloak

Yes she does. Communication is not something that you can let fall off, even if you're a lone developer. And she at least owes her Patreon backers (aka the ones who pay her) the courtesy of a brief post explaining situation. It is not unreasonable to ask for basic communication.

Cloak

Actually, we're not being mean. We're just asking for a brief post clarifying the issue. Expressing concern is not being mean. Criticism is allowed.

Cloak

she could post from her phone tho right?

Leontine

This is just me speculating, but do you think something happened with her computer? It would explain why she has not posted.

Catherine Timmons

I agree ..People are getting inpatient .and it only takes 2 minutes to put up a post on here or another app. i totally agree

^^L1L^^

I do very much agree with this. However it would literally take less than 5 minutes to put up an Instagram story or a post on here just saying that she's potentially away with family, busy with work, unforeseen circumstances etc. etc. and saying that the release is further delayed for a week, 2 weeks or however long. I think at this point the silence isn't helping and people have become overly impatient especially when there was an opportunity to update us on the release with this post. I'm glad to see that people are settling and being more patient as I do believe that your comment is likely all that it is that she is doing, some very simple communication would be appreciated from everyone!

Faith

You guys..you gotta give the creator some time.. she's probbaly on holiday or out with family or even at a job..the 2nd of august was just a date that is the earliest steam would take there time. it might take other couple of weeks yet but i suggest adding tales of rein ravine to your wishlsit so u get notified..and theres no point in refreshing ur steam page every minute. maybe just check in the morning and night xx

^^L1L^^

I am surprised at this point that she hasn't just made a quick post to clear things up a bit as there have been over 60 comments on this post in the last 48hours 🙈

Faith

i understand that the creator didn t say it ll come out at 2.8. but still, it sounded like the game is already prepared and the only thing that was slowing it was steam, so i personaly thought that there is no reason for the game to not come out when it s prepared and steam would already let it through, but the thing that kinda annoys me is that the creator does not give us any more info about it, especially when there are so many questions about it coming from us, but it still doesn t give us any other option then to wait for some more information or the game release.

Nora Blažejová

K yall r being kinda mean, the dev is probs busy because yk their whole life doesn’t revolve around TORR we just gotta be patient

Stella

I just checked and the game hasn’t been released yet

Rebecca White

also i just wanted to add that the game has been uploaded to steam already along with the page. the estimated date was just because she didn't know when the page would get approved (games marked as coming soon need to have been on steam for 2 weeks for the game to be made available to the public). so it COULD have been released yesterday. i understand both povs of respecting the dev and giving her time as well as demanding answers, at this point me and other people r starting to get worried because there is no way she isn't seeing all these comments on steam/patreon/insta. again while she did not CONFIRM it'd be released on the 2nd, it could have been released because of the 2 week mark. no one is being rude/mean for wanting to know why the game isn't available yet, we deserve to know especially here on patreon since we're paying to support the dev

nana

i agree she doesn't have to but again it'd be nice to just say something w the amount of ppl that are confused abt the release date. it really makes you worry something happened bc there's no way she isn't seeing the amount of comments on patreon/insta/tiktok.

nana

She doesn't have to say it will be bit longer tho, she never said it was coming out yesterday.

Samantha Manko

i just joined the patreon! hi! the game looks so good imgg

eris or yokai

No, but she can control her communication on the issue. All she has to say is, "Hey, it's going to take a bit longer. I'm sorry. You'll hear from me soon." By her not communicating, she's lost control of the narrative and allowed chaos to reign.

Cloak

Asking for clarification is not complaining. People are allowed to express concerns.

Cloak

for me it’s not about complaining-I totally understand that there might be irl issues or just a lot work to do before the release - but at this point I‘m kind of worried about her? I‘m probably overthinking but it’s kind of strange that there’s no sign of her at all, she usually posts sth regularly. I hope we hear from her soon, that would make waiting for the release much easier haha. But I‘d rather wait a few more days than her having troubles or the early access to be unfinished. She’s doing such a great job <3

Leontine

I agree. though im excited for it to release, I understand real life things can be happening with her! Hope she's well

Sandra Jakson

Bumping this comment!! I wholeheartedly agree - we need to remember this is a solo developer and that Steam isn't something she can control.

Reggie-Gigas

hey guys I don't wanna be that person but instead of complaining abt the lack of communication, lets giver her some supportive comments. If I were her, I would be under so much stress seeing all of these comments. She might be dealing with a glitch in Steam, of some family/IRL issues. We don't need to add to her stress.

Catherine Timmons

cant wait it looks so good played the demo so much the past few days

Alyssa davidsen

They did acc

Fee Bijl

Dead on! It’s already delayed by two weeks because she forgot to publish the Steam page, and now people would just like to know when. A date was set, a delay happened and was explained, a new possible date was mentioned - and now people (who are paying to support the dev) just want to know what’s happening. I have a hunch it’ll come out Tuesday, as that’s a common release day. I just think a lot of people are confused and feel like they’re being left in the dark with the lack of further communication about the release.

Blueberry

I don't think it's necessarily getting heated but it's more that the creator made it seem as though the only reason for not releasing on the 19th was due to forgetting she needed to get the steam page reviewed, thus when stating that the earliest release date was likely to be august 2nd and no other indication was given of any other date people have just assumed that it was definite which I can understand why! I think people are now just wanting the creator to give everyone some more clarity as no one seems to be on the same page anymore 😂

Faith

I understand that you want the game to come out, but don't we all. You can't rush them on releasing a game, I know how hard it is to make sure the game is perfect or as perfect as possible, (I have to deal with my brother and he is a dev ;-;) But all we can do is wait and not pressure them, they will release it when they are ready and we just have to move on with our days and wait for the arrival.

Samantha Manko

Yesterday was the earliest day they could release due to steam restrictions, but they never said they were releasing it yesterday and people are getting heated that they didn’t.

Samantha Manko

i'm starting to worry something happened because she is usually rlly communicative :(

nana

I think that is the original time the dev submitted the game, but the game was just made public on steam around July 19th!

SourMads

Mine says July 21 for when it was added to steam?

Horse Girl

Actually, it's been marked as coming soon since the steam page went public on July 19, and yesterday was the 2 week mark. If the dev would just communicate, then we wouldn't have to speculate about all of this

Cloak

i did just a bit of research and it says any game on steam has to be on the 'coming soon' title for at least two weeks and that two weeks date is today/tomorrow. so that might mean it could be put out today or it could only have the new release date out.

Horse Girl

I also agree, I just think shes working on stuff. You'd think she checks Patreon regularly though, right?

Sonorous

I agree it is a bit strange but they probably just have a lot on there plate rn with making the final touches before release and stuff. I do agree though that they should maybe put something online to stop people wondering what's happened.

Lararos10

I don’t want to complain or anything but don’t y‘all think it’s weird that we haven’t heard anything from the dev since this post three days ago? Like I would’ve thought that they might do a countdown or promote the game even more on Insta, now that it’s supposed to be released soon

Leontine

It's never 100% confirmed it would come out today but it was also never 100% confirmed NOT to come out today. That's the issue I'm pointing at. I'm not the only one who is confused, we just want clarity because everyone is saying a different thing so no one is sure what's going on

A

Exactly what Samantha said! It was never 100% confirmed it would be coming out on August 2nd.

Reggie-Gigas

She never said it was coming out today. She said the earliest day steam would let them upload was Augest 2nd, and everyone thinks that today is the day it would come out.

Samantha Manko

I wish she would just say "it's not coming out on X day" maybe between these two dates X-X.... or something. Anything.

A

Has anyone heard any updates anywhere? Should we be worried about the dev?

Amber Jones

the estimation was just bc she didn't know when the page would be up (steam requires coming soon game pages to be up for 2 weeks). it's 2 weeks from the page being up today, i think that's why people are getting kinda impatient because i too was thinking it'd be up today because there is no "reason" for it not to be since steam would have allowed it to go up already. just a small statement would've been nice imo

nana

I do remember seeing somewhere that the page went up late on that day so there is every possibility that we'll be seeing it later. the 2nd was also an estimation of the soonest possible release, not a solid date. Best to be as patient as we can! This is only one developer, after all.

Reggie-Gigas

would love to hear some comment from the dev as to when we should expect the game to be up. technically it should've been released today as it marks 2 weeks since the page went up :(

nana

Same though tbh I am so exicted

Eli Ess

Where is this gameeeee lol

Rebecca White

omd eka suomalainen jonka nään tääl

Saga

I believe she is actually towards eastern Europe if I remember correctly 😊

Faith

i know a lot of us is exited but remember yall that 2.8 has not been confirmed to be the release date and it might take bit longer <3

Pinja Laurila

It said that EARLIEST release was 2nd of August, doesn’t mean it will come out today

Samantha Manko

THIS! Thank you. I understand some people are just really excited but we gotta be positive too.

Aubrey Jones

Guys we can never know it might come out in 1 minute 1 day 1 month we can’t really know, after all August 2nd was the EARLIEST it could come out so we just have to be patient and keep waiting to hear back

Stella

It is frustrating with the lack of communication though. She should've atleast seen some of these comments

Sonorous

like 10th time checking Patreon today, checked Steam 4 times LOL

Sonorous

nope i can‘t wait for it too ahhhhhhh🤩🤩

Mia

yeah im also in the netherlands and lowkey losing hope that it will get released on the 2nd of august (for us atleast maybe in the creators timezone it will still the 2nd)

Fee Bijl

Is it just me who's checking steam every 5 minutes lmao 😅

Lararos10

Same here

🔥 Dynamite 🔥

i cant whait !!!!!!!!!!!

Léa Cantin

I'm excited for this and understand that things take time especially considering we are waiting on steam

🔥 Dynamite 🔥

I wonder when I'll be able to play the game. I loved the Beta. perhaps tomorrow I'll be able to get it. I assume the creator of this game lives in America or Canada? which is like 9-10 hours behind me

Lexy T rexy

does she have a 9-5 job? if she does then we would have to wait because she obviously cant do it while at work.

Horse Girl

we dont know now it still might come out later today though

Sean Johnson

When will it be out?

Jade Wester

It's not chaos! :D They said the earliest possible release date would be 2nd, that doesn't mean it's final but most people have taken it as a promise. I agree that it would be great to have updates, but they probably have a lot of work on their hands.

J

exactly

Sean Johnson

I don’t think anyone is denying her past work with communication, nor is anyone demanding for daily communication. It’s not a lot to ask for an occasional update, especially if the estimated day isn’t actually being released on that day? No one is hurt by this nor is anyone demanding her to ignore her own schedules. I don’t think anyone is as demanding as the first time the game was supposed to release two weeks ago, I just think the general consensus is confusion! That’s not bad or negative. That’s why I’m just saying (and others) some clarity would be nice! Not that it NEEDS to happen🙂

SourMads

Honestly i think she shouldve put something out with saying if its coming out today or not because everyone is in doubt now and its Honestly just chaos

Red Bird

I think the dev has been great with communication for the years she has put her hard work into this game. She is not privy to give people an update everyday, and she already said that the 2nd is only looking to be the earliest for the release date. It does not hurt anyone if the game releases a little later. The dev also has her own life and schedules.

Aubrey Jones

Yes! I stayed up late to get the game early with no luck, I would atleast want the communication i'm playing for!

Sonorous

Yes I agree!! I would not care if the release date would be postponed again, I would just like a bit of communication.

Just Robine

I think people are being patient, I just think we’re confused! Because she said that it would be August 2nd given that steam approved it within the week, and 2- 3 days after that post the steam page was up. But I don’t know if that’s the same thing? I just think some clarity would be nice because if that wasn’t the case there wasn’t really an update on when it was actually approved😅 To be fair, while I appreciate that it’s a free game, everyone on this page is paying to see these updates. Obviously it’s a choice and no one is being forced, I want to support!! I just think the main consensus is communication/ clarity would be nice!🙂

SourMads

guys be patient, and august second today for realese was just an estimate so its not official thats its coming out today so please dont get yor hopes up to high

Sean Johnson

its not halfway through august 2nd maybe she is still asleep cause the timezones are diffrent

Tara Thompson

As everyone else I‘m also super excited but people please be patient! First of all she said August 2nd is the earliest estimated release day now cause of steam page and secondly don‘t forget you get a FREE game. Potentially she‘s trying to get everything ready for the release and prefers to do that instead of constantly posting sth here.

Sarimsa

When will it be released? It’s halfway through 2 August I was very excited to start playing as soon as possible!

Marta

today was just the earliest possible day

Jordan

the estimate was just given bc the page had to be up for 2 weeks and she didn't know when it'd go up. but it's 2 weeks today.

nana

August 2nd was only an estimate, I believe they will tell us when everything is cleared up.

J

Developer will tell us when it will be released, August 2nd was only an estimate.

J

Does anyone know why it's not out yet? it still says on steam "coming soon" and ive been waiting all day ..perhaps its coming out 12? or so..im not sure but ive been waiting 3 years .

^^L1L^^

I'm not 100% sure on timings as don't know how quick she posted about it on here but my email notofication came through at 2.09 on sat morning GMT but I think for anyone in America, the timing was on the friday 🤷‍♀️ but yeah again I feel some clarity would be helpful for everyone around the release just do people have an actual idea rather than speculating!

Faith

Oh I didn't know that! I hope we at least hear something today :) it's okay if it's postponed but like you said, more clarity would be nice

Anne Kouyzer

im starting to think an update is more likely tomorrow as I don't think the Steam page went up until very late on fri 19th/very early sat 20th so it technically hasn't been up for 2 weeks yet which is required. Would love for it to come out today and have had some more clarity on that but I'm not hopeful 🙈

Faith

I hope it gets released today! :(

Sandra Jakson

It’s midnight here in US central. No updates yet from here or Steam :( We’ll more than likely (crossing my fingers) get an update later today. I’m surprised we haven’t gotten an update yet though! Hopefully soon!!

SourMads

For everyone: I live in the Netherlands, it's the 2nd of August here and it isn't out yet. Would have been nice to know beforehand that it's postponed again. Does anyone know what the new release date will be?

Anne Kouyzer

yes lol im so excited

Stella

anyone else here praying it will be released at midnight tonight? :)

Kamryn Fey

Thank you❤️

Jana Verheyden

no one knows but it's possible from the last we heard about a release date 🤷‍♀️

Faith

you don't have to be patreon for the early access that is being released on steam 😊

Faith

I'm patreon, but i mean will it come out on streams tomorow?

Jana Verheyden

you have to be patreon for the game to get it as its in beta

Tara Thompson

Will it come out the second, and if so how late?

Jana Verheyden

Omgggg I hope it comes out on the 2nd !! 😍😍😍

Sandra Jakson

You can't yet, game hasn't been released yet.

J

just one day left, right???

eva maria olaria abadia

how can i do cross country

Hertan Maailma

Beautiful!!! I’m so excited to play!! Is there any update on whether the game will come out on the 2nd?😍

SourMads

So excited I cant wait!!!

Ty Kent

omg im really excited to play this amazng game help

eva maria olaria abadia

thats the estimate date for it ! I can't wait eithierr

Pola Strzelecka

The second I wake up on the release I'm getting onto my pc!! I can't waitt

Pola Strzelecka

My best guess is that there will be the 4 horses in the demo and possibly more though i dont think its been confirmed.

Sonorous

Counting down the days, hours, minutes, and seconds 😩

Trina Ruhland

it's so stunning i can barely believe it

Maria

prob alot, we saw alot of them during the pictures/videos

~!Midnight_Moon!~

i am so excited to play this !!

Morghan Kelly

Is it coming out on the second? Looks amazing I can't wait 😻

Lararos10

Je crois que nous avons tous très hâte que le jeu sorte !

Pierre Cimolai

This is looking stunning! Looking forward to see the world in full soon ♥

Sandy Darkfall

Omggg im so excited!!

BETTO

does anyone know how many ponies/horses theres gonna be?

Pola Strzelecka

so glad its estimate to come in 2 days i cant wait!

Pola Strzelecka

I can't wait any longer! I'm so happy the game is coming soon, though! You're doing great for one person lol

Sonorous

Wow ❤️

Charlotte Campos

Stunning!

Hollie

omg I can't waittttt, it looks amazing ❤❤❤

Nina Ślązak

When are you posting the game i finished the demo in 1 day i love the game so much!!!

Angela Grace

It's looking SOOOOOO pretty right now ❤️❤️❤️

Sillylilgoober

NEED THIS GAME RN AHHH

Equine Dreams

Everything looks so amazing. 😍

Christina Waldmann

Love the pictures 😍 looking forward for the release 💓🎉

Madeleine

I’m so excited!!!

Ivy

Soon!

J

I CANT WAIT

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