Bonfireside Chat 291: Shadow of the Erdtree Basics
Added 2024-07-21 14:00:07 +0000 UTCIt's time to begin the new season of Bonfireside Chat proper! This week is a primer on what's new and different in the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC. We talk about the new leveling system, some minor new or changed mechanics, and wrap up with a lore primer on the big movers and shakers you need to remember before heading into the Shadow Realm. It's good to be back.
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Kingdom Hearts is good with 2 major issues. Don’t put primary story in damn game boy game for a playstaytion series. And then have a garbage finally everyone waited 10 years for lol
Jessie joy
2025-05-07 03:07:37 +0000 UTCMogh is Miquella’s uncle?? Was that an accidental spoiler?? Because that definitely doesn’t make it main game lol. They are both Marikas children. Brothers. Based on other comments I’m assuming you slipped here and we find out he is both.
Jessie joy
2025-05-04 08:56:24 +0000 UTCWe know, but Gary is intentionally torturing me by drawing out people to send us corrections. - K
Duckfeed.tv
2024-07-31 16:09:45 +0000 UTCI think "scadu" may be the Old English word for "shadow," like how From writes "gaol" instead of "jail." If true, "scadutree" could be pronounced "shadowtree."
Shane Duquette
2024-07-31 15:52:18 +0000 UTCWhy don’t you guys drop each other weapons instead of having to rush to something or not being able to use it? Me and my friend drop weapons to each other all the time, makes all so much easier 🙌🏻
Mitchell Turner
2024-07-31 02:42:19 +0000 UTCMohg isnt Miquellas uncle. He’s his half brother. Different fathers, Marika is their mother.
Mitch Bragg
2024-07-30 13:36:23 +0000 UTCNo spoiler wall please.
Jeremy Espinoza
2024-07-29 18:42:02 +0000 UTCJust wanted to chime in and say spoiler walls suck and make episodes before it infinitely less interesting. I just don’t know who is both listening to this and wants no spoilers.
Stoned Skeleton
2024-07-29 00:05:30 +0000 UTCThat really isn't fair to King or Martin or Miyazaki. Especially since King's books in the 90's were well served with the larger mythology.
Mike G
2024-07-27 15:34:20 +0000 UTCRespectfully. I’ve never been a fan of the spoiler walls. While I understand that some listeners like to follow along, my typical experience is to play through the souls content blind first and then listen during subsequent play throughs.
Nick Dizel
2024-07-25 17:50:44 +0000 UTCSure, sewn up in the same way Stephen King adds to his books' mythology
Fringleton
2024-07-24 16:39:40 +0000 UTCI am going to follow along with this podcast with my faith build. It will be my second time through, so my hope is that your coverage will compensate for the lack the engagement I will have with exploring the Land of Shadow a second time. I am curious if you're going to pick up some features from the Real Lich Hours, with some exploration of the themes, lore, monsters, and so forth. For instance, while I know who the Hornsent are/were, an in depth lore analysis would be a great listen.
Mike G
2024-07-24 15:49:23 +0000 UTCWhile it isn't perfect, the entire story of Elden Ring is a lot more cohesive as dangling plot threads have been sewn up.
Mike G
2024-07-24 15:42:35 +0000 UTCOne point re: the warp gate to Mohg’s in the snowfield. I think it makes sense and isn’t random. It was a quick escape route for Mohg after he took Miquella from the Haligtree. He used it to get in through Ordina to steal the cocoon and then used it to get back out. It drops you so far from the palace because he counted on his followers to stop anyone who followed while he would’ve been able to walk straight to the palace and perform whatever gross ritual he had planned. There are also spoiler implications that he wasn’t even the one “controlling” this plan. Anyway, all that to say that for me it tracks that it isn’t randomly placed. It was hidden to serve as an ambush and retreat point.
Pman24
2024-07-24 14:35:03 +0000 UTCYou guys think this story is well done? Huh. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing this justification for a story stitched together from leftover parts.
Fringleton
2024-07-24 11:57:51 +0000 UTCI think you should call them "Frags" and everytime you find out a canned line from your soundboard says "Frag Out!". This will be a great tie in for your new call of duty show.
MeltyHam
2024-07-23 23:28:58 +0000 UTCWhat do we want? Spoilers! When do we want them? Now! 😀👍
Dan
2024-07-23 22:13:06 +0000 UTCPlease Mr. Gorbachev, lower the spoiler wall
E E
2024-07-23 19:38:21 +0000 UTCLooking forward to this season, thanks guys. Would also like to voice my support for lowering the spoiler wall 👍
Drew
2024-07-23 17:34:08 +0000 UTCFound it, sorry was having a bad brain day then 😅
Joshua Garrity
2024-07-23 10:10:22 +0000 UTCThis is only sort of true! I'll see if I can find the link to the video I watched, but the way the math works, even later levels are potent, is my understanding. They do drop off, but it's not useless, iirc. -GB
Duckfeed.tv
2024-07-23 04:43:52 +0000 UTCYeah; spoiler wall makes less sense to me for a DLC / expansion. It’s already been quite a bit of time since release. Spoiler wall should be able to be down soon if it is indeed needed.
Justin Zode
2024-07-23 03:51:36 +0000 UTCReplaying SotET on my next character is gonna feel alot more palatable since I realized the softcap is 26 fragments out of 50. The last 8 levels are worth 2 normal levels, so once I hit 12, I’m golden. Anything beyond that is like getting a high score.
JackelZXA
2024-07-23 03:32:50 +0000 UTCExcited to be here! Been lurking on the free side for about a year after finally trying (and loving) Sekiro. Happy to finally give you some money after years of hearing you on Woff.
SuddenFacsimile
2024-07-23 02:34:10 +0000 UTCVoicing my support for no spoiler wall as I'd personally prefer if you guys were able to talk freely about everything from the get-go, but that's just me! Excited to have BSC back regardless ^_^
Mike Suskie
2024-07-22 21:14:11 +0000 UTCI have been referring to them as "that zoomer Miquella's skibiditree fragments" since day one and will not be stopped
James Lloyd-Jones
2024-07-22 19:57:32 +0000 UTCSorry, email
Joshua Garrity
2024-07-22 16:32:58 +0000 UTCPhysical mail? -GB
Duckfeed.tv
2024-07-22 16:30:51 +0000 UTCVery excited to hear you guys cover this dlc it’s been super fun running through it the past few weeks
Hurin
2024-07-22 16:28:00 +0000 UTCScadutree Fragments are one of the biggest spotlights I've seen on why game design is actually quite difficult. The discourse around it falls into essentially two camps: "I love this incentive to explore" vs "I don't want to have to find all of these just to beat the game." Both are valid in their own way. The key to it is that you will hear very strong opinions on both sides but if you put yourself in the position of a game designer, it's a trap to listen to either. People will have an idea for a fix but most folks don't know what they actually want to be changed. What they want is for it to feel good in play and fulfilling this wish is something that happens in the kitchen where you are not privy to the machinations.
Matthew Woodyard
2024-07-22 15:34:49 +0000 UTCStoked to be back for a new season! Loved the DLC and can’t wait to hear your full thoughts. Addressing the point of no return for NPC’s, without getting into too much detail, there are two. The one it sounds like you’re referring to (earlier in the DLC) won’t block you from completing any of their quests, and just pushes them into “phase 2” where you then can screw things up permanently. The actual point of no return is very late in the DLC, and always after the first trigger
Lucas West
2024-07-22 15:27:54 +0000 UTCYou could almost say Mohg squeak squeaked miquella
Wyatt
2024-07-22 13:57:36 +0000 UTCMe: riding around on torrent, having fun, minding my business Message: SOMETHING BIG AND IRREVERSIBLE IS HAPPENING SOMEWHERE Me: fug
Toshio42
2024-07-22 13:36:01 +0000 UTCApologies if I'm being an idiot, but where do we go to mail in or what is the mail address? I appreciate it is likely hiding in plain sight and I'm being silly.
Joshua Garrity
2024-07-22 13:27:10 +0000 UTCmr.gorbachev tear down that spoiler wall 😎
Devrim
2024-07-22 09:55:09 +0000 UTCSize-Wyze this reminds me of Iceborne for Monster Hunter World.
Mateus Silva
2024-07-22 02:06:26 +0000 UTCHELL YEAH EVERYBODY LET’S GO!!!
Mateus Silva
2024-07-22 01:59:49 +0000 UTCExcited for this season boys! I was very impressed by sote!
Goldie
2024-07-21 23:43:39 +0000 UTCUmbasa!
Lang Sharpe
2024-07-21 21:55:30 +0000 UTCHey, we all beat it, stop beating around the bush ;)
Rule34Bomberman
2024-07-21 21:48:22 +0000 UTCthis dropping and biden dropping out - it's a good day tarnished
Matthew Sumption
2024-07-21 19:38:06 +0000 UTCTouch the withered arm and join the boys in the Land of Shadow. Can't wait to hear everyone's undoubtedly varied takes on the DLC. I took a short break from my first playthrough because I was convinced the next area I had to go to was the final area. Turns out even though I had all the map fragments there were multiple while areas I had yet to uncovered. For me, the main theme of the DLC is discovery. Also now that I've started it with a character in ng+ and a newer character on fresh playthrough I feel like there's little difference in scaling compared to the characters themselves.
Chris Blanchette
2024-07-21 18:43:42 +0000 UTCVery excited for this! I loved a lot about the DLC but unlike you guys, I hated the scadu mechanics. I don't think anyone would have minded if the DLC had been balanced for 20 scadulevel from the start. It's still really hard anyway, and explorers would have explored regardless.
Victor
2024-07-21 18:23:40 +0000 UTCWe are so back
Josh Harris
2024-07-21 18:09:38 +0000 UTCThanks for dropping this today! You made my morning!
Craig
2024-07-21 14:49:01 +0000 UTCThere's definitely a Krakoan seed somewhere in Caelid.
Tom Young
2024-07-21 14:29:33 +0000 UTCMay chaos take the world!
Velkas consort 93
2024-07-21 14:22:28 +0000 UTCArise now ye tarnished, the boys are back.
BAAAAAARNES
2024-07-21 14:17:26 +0000 UTC
