aliciaxlife - Straw Hat 673+674

God the anime really stretches Usopp as far as they possibly can before they let him bounce back. Its basically torture porn

Spillthefire6

2025-06-22 20:53:30 +0000 UTC

Usopp defenders crazy in here man

Spicoli

2025-01-28 03:38:13 +0000 UTC

I keep saying this every time people call Ussop a liar: Ussop has never told a lie in his life, he just tells the truth ahead of schedule.

Rinthewolf

2024-12-09 17:45:57 +0000 UTC

quietly so no one can hear (I actually really like Usopp's story arc here, I relate to having a hard time doing things because you are scared).

Scarmath

2024-11-01 04:03:57 +0000 UTC

Let me clear this up for you for a sec. He considers the Straw Hats Allies. He considers Vivi an ally. He would do anything for them. Even overcome his base cowardice. He fears not living up to their expectations worse than being afraid of even death. He wouldn't do that for others outside of that friend circle. In his mind this mission is still about destroying a lab and getting out. He feels bad for the country, but isn't personally invested in anyone so he's not going to overcome his cowardice unless someone close to him is in danger. Then Robin got got. He can't remember that she even existed, so what ties him down here? This is his first time standing up to impossible odds in order to save people who aren't the friends that inspired him to have courage that's why this is significant for him.

Infernal Disdain

2024-10-29 16:00:19 +0000 UTC

It comes off more like he's in the middle of a town square searching for an exit than running 19 docks away though. He's so far gone in the anime adaptation and it takes like 3 episodes instead of a few panels

GaimeGuy

2024-10-27 22:02:11 +0000 UTC

It's the pacing. A few panels gets stretched into 15 minutes. A brief moment of him turning away and starting his stride gets turned into a several minute long sprint before he turns around.

GaimeGuy

2024-10-27 21:44:52 +0000 UTC

I've never been the biggest Usopp fan... but I've also never seen him sell out allies before - and it's not even because he's being coerced/tortured... it's simply due to his own cowardice - and after that had supposedly been "developed" out of him. Really hating him in this arc.

jdoggivjc

2024-10-25 16:35:34 +0000 UTC

I do agree that the anime made the Usopp part worse than the manga, but I hate how everyone is hating on Usopp. He not at a single point in the canon has made the choice to attack someone when he wasn't defending his friends up to this point. From his home town to right this arc right here, NOT ONCE. He is always been defending someone in the crew, attempting to save them or saving himself to fight. The ONE fight where he wasn't afraid was Fishman Island, where he was far stronger than who he was fighting. HE HAS CHANGED, BUT THIS FIGHT ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE THE PAST ONES. He is significantly weaker than Sugar and Trebol. He has no friends to save here (that he knew of, memory loss) and he didn't pick this fight himself. THIS IS THE TURNING POINT FOR HIM! THIS IS THE CHARACTER ARC! This is when he finally goes to fight someone for HIS DREAM against someone who he has NO CHANCE TO WIN AGAINST. Zero, none, nada. And as this arc shows, he didn't win. He lost. And his dream isn't to be "the bravest warrior." It was to be A brave warrior of the seas. Not the bravest, not even fearless, just a brave warrior. If he had fought against Trebol right there, he could just as well sail back home, because his dream would have been complete. He would have picked the hardest fight on the whole island. Not a single strength difference in a fight was as great as him vs Trebol and Sugar. That would have been the bravest choice made in the series. Luffy was closer in strength to admirals before Water 7 than Usopp is to Trebol and Sugar together. Damn it people, this is part of his growth. He hasn't abandoned his friends after almost doing it against Lips during Arlong arc. This is very likely the same for picking fights himself. This one take is CONSISTENTLY bad for every anime viewer I've seen or heard from, but manga readers seem to get it far more. Maybe I'm also blinded by reading the manga first, but god damn it he wasn't grown to take that fight yet. Him turning back was when he had finally reached that point.

I'm following way too many nsfw accounts to use a name here

2024-10-25 16:28:00 +0000 UTC

Yeah they did usopp dirty in this part, the fact that it took the tontatta getting blown up twice, smooshed and forgetting about robin for him to actually do something is disappointing, makes it feel like all his progression up till now meant nothing, atleast he redeems himself but man this is one of the more disappointing moments for usopp.

Alpha76

2024-10-24 02:25:30 +0000 UTC

Which would have caused even more confusion to his mental state. "Who did I burn the flag for? Why were even in Enies Lobby? What's going on!? Did I forget someone!?" The fact of the matter is that, Usopp didn't want to be there in the first place, and he was dead-terrified of Trebol and Sugar, and of the Doxflamingo organization as a whole. He's not a front line fighter, he's a support fighter. Up to this point, his major conflicts and encounters have been against Kuro and Jango, Choo, the Mr. 4 pair, Enel, Luffy, Jyabra and Kaku, Perona, Oars, then a Pacifista, Kizaru, and Kuma. He had yet to be overwhelmed in Part 2, until this point. Of those opponents, he had the strongest convictions against Kuro, Jango, and Luffy. Kuro, Luffy, and Perona were the only ones who stood up to on his own - and he only stood up to Perona in the first place because he thought he had an advantage against her. For everyone else, he was either trying to escape them, he was forced into a conflict with them, or he was acting as support against - but he was always fighting alongside someone else. He has always been a coward, and simply wanting to be brave does not actually make one brace. Him being utterly terrified in this situation is completely fair, and it's completely in character for him. Ultimately, it's this cowardice that allowed his bravery to shine through, and that was the entire point of the sequence. Oda showed us him overcoming his fears, he didn't just tell us that Usopp was brave.

Moku

2024-10-21 02:36:51 +0000 UTC

This was an _extremely_ important sequence of events for Usopp. Yes, the anime played it up a bit, but remember that Usopp is on his own individual journey, as is every other member of the crew. Usopp's story is of the coward who wants to be strong. He's quite literally a peace-time kid who set out into dangerous waters in complete naivety. He's going to have failings of character, that's just necessary for his growth. Not only that, but a good chunk of his growth so far was tied up in Sogeking and Enies Lobby. Sugar made him forget Robin, and given how tied up she was in his motivations throughout Enies Lobby, it then makes sense that his morale would be shot if he found himself deep behind enemy lines with no trustworthy back up, and his memories and motivations behind one of his biggest sources of confidence made hazy at best. In turn, this sequence, although it makes him look poor, was a tremendous step of growth toward his dreams. He overcame his cowardice and actually came back for them, even though he was convinced that it would result in his certain death. That's not something to knock down as a poor choice and bad a decision.

Moku

2024-10-18 06:27:54 +0000 UTC

Thought I'm frustrated, I get him running away cause he forgot robin existed and that's where he was at his bravest

JoJo

2024-10-14 17:54:30 +0000 UTC

The frustrations with Usopp here are super understandable. I don't remember reacting much different when reading these chapters. I can sort of see what Oda was going for here, including the suggested memory loss, but DAMN is the execution fumbled! It wasn't a very good idea nor a necessary story beat. Could definitely have used another couple of look-overs to delete or re-write most of this part.

DaniDeFig

2024-10-14 15:35:37 +0000 UTC

Usopp was a coward for his entire life. That isn't going to change after just a couple of years.

Anzac-A1

2024-10-14 03:56:54 +0000 UTC

it's not BS. Robin's kidnapping is the very reason he was able to create a braver persona of himself in the form of sogeking. without the memory of her, the entirety of enies lobby becomes something else entirely. the character development revolving around luffy didnt have much to do with his bravery, but more so his insecurity of his position among a crew of much stronger people than him.

Santi

2024-10-12 00:20:01 +0000 UTC

I totally understand the frustration but personally I’m okay with Usopp being scared and running. Yeah I get it, people want him to be different now and to not be the scared person he used to be but he’s still Usopp at the end of the day. He’s going to have a moment of weakness before moving past that and being brave

Robert C. Taylor

2024-10-11 02:17:33 +0000 UTC

People try to say that forgetting Robin reverted all his character development, but that's honestly just BS. I won't say it didn't partially set him back but most of his character development in Enies Lobby/Water 7 was more related to Luffy anyways. So yes it IS just bad writing for his character.

PerfectYarn

2024-10-10 21:20:52 +0000 UTC

Grow up

Curtis Murphy

2024-10-10 13:31:43 +0000 UTC

Except it's not. Grow up

Curtis Murphy

2024-10-10 13:31:08 +0000 UTC

People get frustrated at Usopp here because: 1. Toei pacing 2. Misunderstanding his character Usopp has no power and never claimed to be a hero. He's a friend and along for the ride with the crew, hence why he stuck with us after Water 7 instead of staying behind, but having forgotten about Robin's very existence in this moment, he lost his reason for being there (to fight with the crew), so he ran away. Usopp had to pull a 180 on his whole character to make the decision to fight for the Tontattas, against two very powerful opponents, without a crewmember there and without a power himself. Guilt took over and pushed him through his fear to do what he actually wanted to do and in the end he proved that deep down he can be a fighter when push comes to shove. Amongst a crew of freakishly powerful people, he is a regular ass person, which means it takes FAR more courage to engage in battles like this than it would for someone like Luffy or Zoro. He has a right to be afraid and to fight without expectation and deserves some credit 🔥

SomeoneElse

2024-10-10 12:35:42 +0000 UTC

The anime makes this worse by stretching it out, but the issue is still there.

Okoga

2024-10-10 07:44:34 +0000 UTC

That wouldn't be how that worked, he would remember what he did just not who he did it for.

Okoga

2024-10-10 07:43:20 +0000 UTC

To be fair, until now Usopp has mostly been fighting nameless goons and comedic-relief underlings. This is the first time he had to seriously fight genuinely threatening main villains where he isn’t being backed up by one of the three main fighters. Also even among his few serious fights against people who were way stronger than him he was usually either forced to by circumstance or was trying to protect a close friend.

unknown organism

2024-10-10 00:59:03 +0000 UTC

You are a liar and a whore!

unknown organism

2024-10-09 21:28:48 +0000 UTC

Apparently Oda confirmed the theory in an sbs. Plus if you read the manga then he only really gets unusually cowardly after robin is turned.

unknown organism

2024-10-09 21:26:56 +0000 UTC

would agree if they didn't take 20 episodes to show how he from the very beginning wanted to run away/escape/have nothing to do with it.

Easy Mode - A.I

2024-10-09 18:17:15 +0000 UTC

Usopp forgot about Robin and likely all the events on EL. So his character regressed

Jan Lovercic

2024-10-09 17:43:25 +0000 UTC

As someone watching these arcs for the first time through your reactions... Usopp's writing has to be attempted character assassination, there's no way he's this badly written what happened???? Edit after finishing the reaction: Everything at the end was great... But why did we have to go through this shit damn.

Duckerino

2024-10-09 14:24:11 +0000 UTC

sure - but Usopps style isn't to go head to head with people - the mission was take sugar out of commision - they EVEN GAVE HIM AMMO IN THE FORM OF THE ... berry or whatever it was... Usopp could take down ceasar with the cuffs from afar but suddenly, one girl is so intimidating he won't even try it WHILE THE PEOPLE BELIEVING IN HIM SUFFERS.... don't get me wrong - I love the synopsis of this moment - Usopp having lied about who he is, being scared shitless and still putting himself in harms way because others believed in him... but the execution in the anime was horrendous

Silver Blade

2024-10-09 09:25:49 +0000 UTC

that makes SO MUCH sense... if it was indicated in any way shape or form... because to me, Robin being forgotten doesn't have Usopp forget ALL of enies lobby... only WHY he went there... he could've easily remembered shooting from the rooftop and shooting the flag, it would just have been about someone he doesn't remember who.... I would also like to add - TOEI made Usopp run from the executive tower doors, basically onto one of the ships and then run back.... with the scale we're presented, that's MINUTES of running away... and that's like levels of dissociation before going back - it just... it's too deplorable for it to have a heroic payoff.... that would be if the humble farmer saving the princess from the dragon took 20 minutes outside and pissed himself before doing it.... it won't look cool, at all....

Silver Blade

2024-10-09 09:21:47 +0000 UTC

Toei really did a horrible job stretching out Usopp's cowardness and making it even worse. Oda also didn't do a great job writing this part but it wasn't nearly as bad as the anime. Alicia talks about Usopp in Enies Lobby but I think the problem is that Oda and the anime did a horrible job showing that when Robin was turned into a toy those experiences centered around her would have been erased or altered in Usopp's mind. That could easily explain the regression and why Usopp reverted into a bigger coward than normal. Oda frankly should have had Robin be turned into a toy at the beginning of the operation and made it clear that it altered Usopp's mind erasing some of the experiences that allowed him to grow.

Taran

2024-10-09 03:24:41 +0000 UTC

Ngl he is literally braver in his very introduction than here. Especially in the stretched out toei version. He was definitely way out of his depth, i think you much underestimate just how little of a chance against trebol he had, but Oda definitely overdid what he was doing here. Especially the morbid shit he was saying

Nopoleon Y

2024-10-09 01:48:20 +0000 UTC

The thing about this set of episodes is that while the pattern of usopp's fights from a narrative standpoint match this scenario, (i.e. He chickens out, reckons with the consequences of his actions, comes back and tries to fight in earnest, faces karmic retribution for his cowardice, and eventually comes out on top), Toei did such an awful job of portraying his character here in a way that highlights his evolution from Arlong Park to now. And the argument could be made that the stakes have never been this high for him, so he is crumbling under pressure, but his turnaround was still way too drawn out to be digestible.

docrubente

2024-10-08 22:28:56 +0000 UTC

in the manga, usopps internal struggle wasn't nearly as lengthy. toei definitely stretched these panels out way to much.

marlanes

2024-10-08 21:35:45 +0000 UTC

There is a love/hate/love relationship with Dressrosa. You have reached the bell curve of the low. Once other things happen, it gets WAAAY better.

Shrapnel

2024-10-08 20:00:16 +0000 UTC

I feel like when people believe that ussop could have contributed they are really underselling Trebol. He is basically doffys equivalent to zoro or sanji he might be on his bullshit but Trebol is actually fairly strong

Lonnie Guillory

2024-10-08 19:11:22 +0000 UTC

It was actually confirmed by Oda on sn interview, saying that the whole Enies Lobby arc was altered to them aiming just franky in their minds, so Sogeking dissapeared from ussop's mind and it wasnt just a "disguise" back then but an alter ego of him that ends up encouraging him to be beter and it was created to save robin, so, no robin = no sogeking, no braver ussop, sogeking literally become a disguise without robin instead of an actual part of him, since they 'rationalized it', thats the problem, without robin, they were just saving fra ky, who wasnt part of their crew back then. So was less encouraged to help and be braver

Faroth

2024-10-08 17:08:36 +0000 UTC

The undergound dressrose plot is almost universally agreed to be the worst canon one peice plot due to what happened with Usopp so you're not alone alicia. (Don't despair Usopp gets another moment in this arc to heal the character a bit).

Adrian

2024-10-08 14:46:57 +0000 UTC

Oh just wait Alicia, as the ancient proverb goes: “good things come to those who wait.”

Chris White

2024-10-08 14:36:51 +0000 UTC

I agree, it’s Ussop. There’s gonna be ups and downs with his character, you just gotta be patient.

Chris White

2024-10-08 14:35:41 +0000 UTC

I’m just waiting for the meme. I personally don’t hate ussop, I honestly think the guy is a Great character. Sure he may be a bit of a coward from time to time, but you can’t say you don’t find it at least a Little endearing. Not to mention, notice how a Lot of his previous lies have become reality? Cerberus on thriller bark, the giant goldfish at little garden, and soon I feel like another lie is going to come true. (Not gonna say which one. Don’t wanna ruin the surprise)

Chris White

2024-10-08 14:33:21 +0000 UTC

Not too salty i hated this first time round.

SomePirateNamedSigh

2024-10-08 14:16:32 +0000 UTC

We getting spoiled with Alicia one piece reactions

Calib Allen

2024-10-08 12:03:54 +0000 UTC

Sorry, but that's a fan theory not based on facts. People whose memories were altered just erase the presence of those who got turned into toys, but the memories are still there. Their minds make something up to rationalize, even if it wouldn't make sense objectively. It's basically a massive cognitive dissonance. We saw example of altered memories. So if you were to ask Usop what he did at Enies Lobby, he would've probably told you that he went there to save Franky, even if it wouldn't make sense. Just like that mother at the beginning of the saga who told the soldier that yes, she had a child, and no he did not and never had a husband. So she accepted that she was like the virgin Mary without questioning it.

leviathan_13

2024-10-08 11:12:05 +0000 UTC

i know. there is still some growth between now and Elbaf, but discussing that would be spoilers and i don't want to be banned.

GeeksFTW

2024-10-08 10:13:20 +0000 UTC

Honestly, respect for listing all of these, and I agree, he could do way better BUUUT... we all know his personal character growth will happen once we eventually hit Elbaf in a couple thousand episodes, no way it won't, that shit was foreshadowed already with Brogy and Dorry on Little Garden when usopp said he wants to visit Elbaf and be as brave as the giants, you just know IF there will be significant character growth it will be there on that island, otherwise all hope is lost... Also a lot of him running and all that bullshit is just on toei, in the manga he has like 2 - 5panels, one with the "Forgive me Tontatta Clan, I'll turn your story into a picture book for future generations" thing (no mention of when you all die or anything mind you) And the other of him saying "I managed to escape but... how do I get out of here, I can't pass through the hole we used by myself, ah there should be a lift" and him admitting he's a liar to himself, with 2 or 3 freeze frames in between, still scummy behaviour but the pacing and stretching make it way worse in the anime...

TheGodofCruelty

2024-10-08 09:37:59 +0000 UTC

Thank you

Aaro Tiljander

2024-10-08 07:17:26 +0000 UTC

Alicia: did ussop forgot all he did in enies lobby?! I mean, yeah, that was for robin, and just forgot robin, so... yeah, he forgot all that development, which is why he is running like before the timeskip, and in top of that, trebol is a monster to the level of the monster trio, too much for him and can shoot at range too like him with a great precision, so he is afraid of that too, yeah... i mean, yeah, coward, but with reasons

Faroth

2024-10-08 05:45:10 +0000 UTC

Well the issue with this theory is that Sugar's power doesn't erase the entire memory, it erases the person from the memory. Sogeking was only developed because he wanted to fight with Luffy and the others without directly showing himself to save face after having left the crew. Even so, he would've retained the moments of development that he had in Water 7 because some of the most important ones were independent of Robin (Oimo & Kashii moment along with his speech to Luffy). Even pre Robin joining the crew, Usopp showed more guts (Logue Town encounter with Daddy the Father and Dorry and Broggy).

tac4y0n

2024-10-08 05:24:20 +0000 UTC

This is why you should have started one pace after the time skip

Alexander1048

2024-10-08 05:10:03 +0000 UTC

He will become valuable... very, very, VERY valuable 😅😅😅🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Faroth

2024-10-08 05:00:50 +0000 UTC

Can't remember exactly what I was feeling back when I first watched this, but I don't think I ever stopped believing in Usopp. You know he'll do the right thing, even if he runs away first. And the long drawn out pacing just makes it even more satisfying when he does do something.

Koga Wolfe

2024-10-08 04:34:37 +0000 UTC

Alicia's take felt off to me as a manga reader, so I went back and reread these chapters, and this is really an anime problem. Usopp doesn't stand by and watch them get exploded (twice, it does happen once) or boulder squashed. We also don't get anywhere near the amount of his inner monologue. Manga usopp is only looking for the lift and complaining that franky hasn't blown through the front gate. Like another commenter said, this whole sequence could have been an episode as opposed to nearly 3.

Logan Baxter

2024-10-08 04:30:38 +0000 UTC

I won't sugarcoat anything here, most of the major parts of this are in the manga. Usopp does run, he does say the part about "writing a book about them", and he does come back when he starts hearing them crying out about believing in him and getting squished just after. The anime DEFINITELY stretches out the moments in between, which can make it feel more frustrating, but the stuff is still there. As someone who didn't have Usopp as their favorite, or even their worst (I like all the Straw Hats, though Luffy is definitely my fave), it was hard to read this. I definitely get the growth he's had, and this does feel like a backslide. That said, I think it is important to his character. This was Usopp's up close and personal look at the terror of the New World. The closest he got before this was having Ceasar pop up on Punk Hazard, and he wasn't as intimidating, or even do anything as scary as what Trebol did here in front of Usopp. Before that he fought a single Fish-Man, and he had a whole plan for that. Usopp was already afraid of even going against Doflamingo in the first place, so he quickly goes into "Oh shit, I'm in over my head, I need to get the hell out of here," like we saw back near the beginning of the series. This moment is his first real test of conviction since reaffirming he wanted to get stronger and be brave. Can't say he really passed with flying colors here (if you can consider him passing at all, that's up to you), but growth isn't linear.

TheRoguelock

2024-10-08 04:23:24 +0000 UTC

Next pair of episodes Alicia will bear witness to….’The Miracle’.

Sean A. Crofts

2024-10-08 04:00:57 +0000 UTC

i did forget but he really tried to pull through for zoro and shot a admiral and that was post time skip, while in front of him too now that i remember, well i threw in my 2 cents lol

james blaire

2024-10-08 03:21:06 +0000 UTC

keep in mind if it wasn't for ussop and then franky, robin would of been DEAD in the past

Easy Mode - A.I

2024-10-08 01:46:21 +0000 UTC

@MaskedRider He barely goes to bat for people that he does care about. He's almost always forced into it. That's why he's my least favorite character in the Strawhats. Honestly, I wouldn't have been mad if he went his separate way after Water 7. the thing that pisses me off the most about Usopp is that til this day, the hardest we've ever seen him fight is against Luffy. Against his friend and captain. He's never put that much effort into a fight since and it annoys the hell out me.

Nicholas Johnson

2024-10-08 01:20:27 +0000 UTC

I didn't start watching One Piece until they go to ...well. The arc after this. I'm so glad, I would've been pissed if I had to watch this weekly.

Nicholas Johnson

2024-10-08 01:04:12 +0000 UTC

One explanation I like is that when Robin was turned into a toy the character of sogeking ceased to exist as he only was there because of the need to rescue Robin so his character development fell back a bit due to that. (This is probably just a way to excuse his behavior and make it less annoying)

Speed1247

2024-10-08 00:12:07 +0000 UTC

We can only hope The One Piece does it better some day.

Smiling_Jack

2024-10-07 23:28:57 +0000 UTC

Yeah, this whole bit with Ussop is... I get the idea but the execution wasn't the best, the Anime stretching it out even longer really did not help it. But, that is in the past now.

Seraphem

2024-10-07 22:48:25 +0000 UTC

Yeah but I mean afterwards when everything went to shit he can’t attack logia users I mean trebol isn’t weak

CQC Greed

2024-10-07 22:37:47 +0000 UTC

Yeah it doesn't work on Trebol, that's why she said to use the sniper skills on Sugar to make her eat the grape. He can 100% snipe that thing into her mouth while she's snacking, even if not Robin could have held her mouth open long enough (like she did for Leo) for him to snipe it. None of this would have happened if he did that from the very beginning.

Zod Bain

2024-10-07 22:36:29 +0000 UTC

Alicia getting mad at Usopp is like how haters get mad at Alicia a great parallel!

Milo

2024-10-07 21:10:00 +0000 UTC

A well written character overcomes their flaws and grows as a person, just as a well adjusted person in real life does. A character that stays the exact same for 1000+ episodes is not, in any sense of the word, a well written character. Usopp's goal is to become a brave warrior of the sea, and he has slowly but surely been working towards that goal especially post timeskip. Furthermore, Usopp has always shown to be a good natured, sympathetic person, someone who doesn't take risks and will run away from danger but over time stands his ground more and more. Whatever the hell this was? That was not Usopp, he was callous, unsympathetic towards the little people, and cowardly beyond belief. If that was how you've viewed Usopp, then you've got a problem as a reader, because that is not how Usopp was supposed to be at this point. Theres a reason so many people are pissed at this development and it wouldn't be a thing if this as how Usopp was supposed to be presented

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 21:01:24 +0000 UTC

Bro this and the next arc are peak, “I’m so glad I was reading the manga weekly”

Ranginald Vagel

2024-10-07 20:59:27 +0000 UTC

I completely agree, in fact that’s the very thing I’m talking about. Why did he not care, and continue to not care. Initially I kinda get it, after all to him they were just some people who captured him and he lied to just to escape. But then he continued not caring when they were just trying to free their friends who had become slaves. And didn’t care enough to be satisfied with them dying so long as he escaped. I get he doesn’t often bat for people he doesn’t care for, even though he has done it in the past (even early on - shooting the fishmen attacking coco village) and it was clearly shown when franky got so invested and he didn’t understand, but why not? That was kinda my issue.

Jack Queen

2024-10-07 20:41:45 +0000 UTC

Crazy how folks get angry when a craven coward is written to be a craven coward. Usopp has always been this way, do we forget he jumped ship and left Zoro tied up and defenseless when he saw Arlong men coming? Or when he turned tail and ran as soon as the fight with Perona wasn't one-sided in his favor, or how he was ready to give up at Alabasta and run away from fighting Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas? I love Usopp and its explicitly those human moments where Usopp's cowardice wins over that endear him to me, he's not a monster super human like some of the crew, hes a normal man whose facing off against the most dangerous people in the world. A well written character is made of their flaws, if you can't accept that Usopp isn't some stalwart hero and WILL crumble under pressure, but always turns back despite being terrified, then thats your problem as a reader.

MaskedRider

2024-10-07 20:20:46 +0000 UTC

Usopp has never gone to bat for people he doesnt care for or respect. The entire time since meeting the Tontattas, Usopp has been desperate to get away from them, he wanted no part in their mission or their troubles, he just wanted to get the mission done and leave.

MaskedRider

2024-10-07 20:13:36 +0000 UTC

Ok, usopp's internal monologue is him trying to justify to himself for his running away. Trebol is much stronger than anything he's been against so far. He watched the tontattas get annihilated which he knows are piwerful af. He's gonna be scared shitless. He didn't change, he just became stronger. He stays within the bounds of his limits. This is the point any actual change happens.

Gurth-Quake

2024-10-07 20:05:32 +0000 UTC

Moments like this is when you truly see how ass the pacing of dressrosa in the anime is. Everything involving Usopp from the past 3 episodes could have been 1 episode.

sixfish11

2024-10-07 19:32:24 +0000 UTC

I do think this is a misjudgement from Oda for Usopps character. He's human, he's allowed them. But honestly it wasn't Usopp's cowardice that annoyed me, it was him being so unsympathetic that felt out of character. Usopp is always scared, everytime. The reason we love him is because he stands up, sometimes eventually but still, and fights in the end. He did that here too, but it was different because of his unwarranted callousness towards the dwarves. He was fine with them dying. And I get it, they're not friends, but I feel like Usopp would care normally a lot more.

Jack Queen

2024-10-07 19:26:51 +0000 UTC

Oh ye no worries, we roast Alicia for saying something dumb here every other episode, if people feel the need to roast me cuz they disagree then its only fair lol, we are quite literally on the page of a virtual big tiddy elf talking about japanese cartoons, nobodys taking this that seriously. Appreciate the reply tho and hopefully i didn't come off hostile in my reply either. When it comes to his progression and bravery, i absolutely agree, what characters like Luffy and Zoro have is not bravery, its a complete lack of fear and i do NOT want Usopp to end up like that. Usopp has always been the strategic, calculating kind that does not take unnecessary risks, and while he does have cowardice that gets frustrating sometimes i want him to progress into someone who still gets horrified of facing impossible odds but will not break down and still find a way to win out (again, thinking back on how confident he acted on fishman island but still wasn't a fan of jumping onto punk hazard, a very good balance was struck there i was happy with). My issue here is that, he didn't strategize at all, firstly he was written as someone who'd abandon people calling out to him, then when he decided to come back there was like...no real plan i guess? It felt very anti-Usopp from beginning to end, i can't get any further into it just like you due to spoilers, but i think since we both know his this fight ends you'll understand that, even though it all ended well this encounter lacked that something that Usopp seemed to have gained after the timeskip. He lost all his confidence, he was almost willing to drop his integrity, he got his ass beat when he tried something without a real plan and he won out by pure luck. I think thats the crux of my problem, Oda started to throw him in a very good direction and i feel Dressrosa abandoned that to revert him into his pre-timeskip self. I know bravery is not a straight line, but it seemed like Usopp was heading down a specific path of bravery on his own, and this felt like a step back from that from a writing perspective

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 19:09:00 +0000 UTC

I believe in a miracle, I believe in god usopp and so must you

Kara

2024-10-07 19:02:06 +0000 UTC

PRAY FOR USOPP!

DanielTheHamster

2024-10-07 18:45:59 +0000 UTC

From what is worth, I don't think you are "yapping" and I don't mind at all. Hopefully I didn't come too hostile either and I'm sorry for you if people are a bit too "flamy" here. I enjoy sharing different takes. On the development thing, he crucial point was that from what I understood your point was that most of the characters are not flashed out. That's why I argued that if you can make predictions on what a character would do or how they will react, that's kind of invalidate that point because it's impossible to do so for a character that is not flashed out to begin with. The reason why I wanted to distinguish "development" and "progression" is because a character does not have to change or have a character arc to be "good character writing". I think that notably character arcs like Zuko weirdly left a unspoken rule that if you don't do that, then it's "bad". On the bravery thing, (copying from another comment) I am progressively more convinced that with Usop, Oda wants to tear down the stereotype of the fearless warrior who faces any danger. Usop will always run away from pointless dangers because facing danger is not what makes someone brave. People want Usop to turn into a Zoro or Luffy that always takes on a challenge, therefore if Usop runs away, he must have "reverted" to being a coward but I totally disagree. People like Luffy who pointlessly take risks often just endanger their friends or risk their lives for no reason. It's not a "positive" bravery, but a toxic one. For Usop, surviving is the most important thing and he always has and always will run away from pointless fights, just as he always fought when his friends or people he cared about were on the line. That's the bravery of the "warrior of the sea". Not facing risks. If fighting Trebol and Sugar was pointless or not, I think you just have to look on how it ended (not elaborating for spoilers).

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 18:38:49 +0000 UTC

Le mayo

Pht0m(Alex)

2024-10-07 18:34:11 +0000 UTC

As I said in other comments, I am progressively more convinced that with Usop, Oda wants to tear down the stereotype of the fearless warrior who faces any danger. Usop will always run away from pointless dangers because facing danger is not what makes someone brave. People want Usop to turn into a Zoro or Luffy that always takes on a challenge, therefore if Usop runs away, he must have "reverted" to being a coward but I totally disagree. People like Luffy who pointlessly take risks often just endanger their friends or risk their lives for no reason. It's not a "positive" bravery, but a toxic one. For Usop, surviving is the most important thing and he always has and always will run away from pointless fights, just as he always fought when his friends or people he cared about were on the line. That's the bravery of the "warrior of the sea". Not facing risks.

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 18:23:43 +0000 UTC

I think Ussop saying all that bc we all know when he lies it sometimes happens like the gold fish.

Jimmy Recinos

2024-10-07 18:22:49 +0000 UTC

The fundamental issue here, I think, is that many people think that being "brave" or being a "coward" is a binary situation where one can be either one or the other and you need to stick with one forever. Like if Usop fights someone stronger he is brave, but if runs away in another situation he "reverts" back to being a coward. So for Usop to become a "brave warrior of the sea", he has to become a fearless person that takes up any challenge, like Zoro or Luffy. I honestly disagree completely with that. I genuinely believe that Usop will ALWAYS run away from pointless fights or dangers, because it is increasingly clear to me that Oda with Usop wants to deconstruct the idea of the "fearless warrior" that faces any danger. Absolutely not, for Usop and Oda, if you face a pointless risk you are an idiot. You should run away and survive instead (read ch. 1036 for example). Exactly how you summarized, Usop always fights when his friends or people he likes are on the line and he always runs away in any other situation. There is no "reverting to being a coward". And this also explains the Dressrosa bit: unlike Franky, Usop was never on the side of the Tontattas and when Robin was forgotten, the mission failed in his mind. It was normal to ditch them. Only when he decided to help them, he went back to fight. The more appropriate critique of him, IMO, would be that he was an a**hole. That would be fair.

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 18:11:10 +0000 UTC

From this point on there is no more bad, the worst of this arc is behind us and the rest is gold.

Gamer Kane

2024-10-07 17:50:13 +0000 UTC

This is the one and only part of the arc I HATE, because of how Ussop was handled on Operation SOP. If it weren't for this I might have put it as my favourite arc above Enies Lobby.

Gamer Kane

2024-10-07 17:24:22 +0000 UTC

Yep anime does fuck up some things especially when they add filler scenes for no reason,the manga is def better than the anime but the anime is still so good,they both have their pros and cons

Mattguy

2024-10-07 17:22:48 +0000 UTC

Believe it or not, Dressrosa Usopp is (sadly) the best we got post-timeskip

Speedwagon

2024-10-07 17:12:54 +0000 UTC

Bro got called out by alicia herself lmao

Douglas Ribeiro

2024-10-07 16:58:30 +0000 UTC

Thank you. I've been sitting here, frustrated out of my mind, and you've dressed a lot of what I wanted to say into well chosen words. Becoming brave is not easy and you can be brave and cowardly at the same time. I relate to Usopp a lot. I suffer from social anxiety that can get pretty severe. It manifests as stage fright. There used to be times I couldn't go shopping because I got scared about talking to the cashier. I'm doing a lot better these days, because I've learned to live with it. Fear is natural, but you have to get a hold of it to live a normal life. I guess my point is that while people can, and do, change, you don't just get rid of a personality trait by trying.

Hynkka

2024-10-07 16:50:31 +0000 UTC

My god I can't believe you took some time to write all of these... But I appreciate it! I read it all and... Yeah i agree with it all, and all I have to say here is... F#ck you oda! Why didn't you give my boy usopp proper development? If would be more courageous by each fight, he would have been a monster in development by now!

Douglas Ribeiro

2024-10-07 16:45:48 +0000 UTC

i don't just hate that pos right now i have hated him since day one and still do, imo the show could do well without him

Dennis Christian Nikolajsen

2024-10-07 16:32:23 +0000 UTC

When someone gives me some pointless ass response, imma call em a yapper, when someone responds with a real comment imma reply. Think thats par for the course of a 'proper discussion' lol. Patreon also makes it difficult to tell who im replying to tho, cuz those two comments were for two different people

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 16:16:02 +0000 UTC

THIS COMMENT! Thank you. I needed to know that Oda didn’t fuck over Usopp that much. Good to know that’s anime issue more so. Still a bit brutal but not nearly as bad

aliciaxlife

2024-10-07 16:11:03 +0000 UTC

Usopp is defined by these peaks and valleys in his development. Get ready folks this is a long one. (Deep inhale) Starting in Syrup village, yes he was willing to stand and fight which brought him support from the straw hats, but the second he became the main force,he balked. Telling Nami to take lead on the front line. This shows how when forced, he will fight. However given any time to consider and view a situation, or the opportunity for others to fight , the cowardice crawls back and he wusses out. The next big fight for Usopp was Chu the lip fishman at Arlong park. This is our first peak, where Usopp starts with his classic lie and avoid, tricking Chu into thinking he has won so Usopp doesn't actually have to fight. But being inspired by his friends and how they live, makes Usopp challenge Chu. The initial exchange goes exactly how you expect, and Usopp gets slammed. Even so he continues the fight, and baring a few funny moments of shock, Usopp keeps his cool, comes up with a plan and comes out victorious. In this single battle Usopp shows great change. Usopp overcomes his fear and is able to defeat an opponent way stronger than any he has faced before, and he does it all alone. After this point however, Usopp returns to being the comedic coward running from everything. just a sec....(Catches breath.....) Ok (Deep inhale) Next up comes the co-op battle with Chopper VS Mr.4 and the pengui..(I'M A MOLE) right Mr.4 and the mole-woman. (my bad) This is the first look at Usopp's limitations in battle. Usopp is a technical fighter, like Nami, He relies on his wits and gadgets, not brute force. This means his fighting capability is limited by his gadgets and tools. We see clearly in this matchup, Usopp has no effective weapon. Nothing Usopp has on his own, could do any damage to either opponent. That means Usopp has to rely on Chopper and his own wits. But when faced with the pair tanking a massive explosion, an attack stronger than any he could possibly make with Chopper, the fear rolls right back in, smothering Usopp's wits and he flees. Stopped only by the opponent hindering his escape, It takes mole-woman laughing at Luffy and his dreams to focus Usopp, the anger burning out his fear in this moment. Now the wits return, and even while getting smashed through walls, and getting his face caved in by a 4 ton bat, Usopp stands tall. Figuring out an effective strategy to take down these previously insurmountable enemies, and in 2 quick moves the fight is over. This is the clear showing of Usopp's arc. These peaks of bravery that last only until the next scary event, then it's right back to run and hide. (Huffing and puffing..) Ok let's.. (Wheezing) (Deep inhal.... coughing fit) Just a bit more (DEEP INHALE) Now come the epic battles of Water 7 and Enies lobby. Starting with the heart breaking Usopp VS Luffy fight. This was even more demonstrative of Usopps limits via his tools. In his battle with Luffy, Usopp showed no fear and brought all his wits, skill, and knowledge of his opponent to bear. Which allowed Usopp to control the fight for a majority of the time. But once more, his tools fail him. Rendering Usopp unable to deal any real damage to Luffy, and with no support to fall back on, the outcome was clear and inevitable. This battle is later followed with Enies lobby. Now i will say Usopp did have the misfortune of confronting Jabra (the wolf), 1 of the top 3 CP9 agents, all of whom had many times the power of the rest of CP9. That being said, i don't think Usopp would have been able to defeat any agent, even with the updated gear. Which is when we get the scene where Sanji chastises Usopp for even attempting to fight Jabra, and gets Usopp to accept his limitations, and look for other ways to help, things only Usopp can do. This is the beginning of Usopp moving from direct combatant, to a more support role. (Wheezing cough..)Just(wheeze) a little (huff Wheeze, Hacking cough) little more... On to Thriller Bark and Usopp VS Perona. This may seem like a backtrack, with Usopp back as a primary fighter. However the battle with Perona is unique. Perona herself is not a physical threat like traditional enemies. it is her negative hollows that render most people near comatose, that makes her dangerous. Giving us a peek into Usopps negative core, surpassing even the hollows, Usopp becomes the only member of the crew who can face Perona and neutralize her. This fight goes back and forth with who controls the fight. First Usopp immune to Perona's power. Followed by a switch when Perona becomes seemingly untouchable, while still being able to attack. This is when the familiar Usopp fear takes over once again, causing him to panic and injure himself while trying to flee. Despite knowing how important stopping Perona is, Usopp cannot face her. This now recognizable pattern is interrupted by the voice of Sogeking, representing Usopp's courage, pointing out the clues Usopp cannot note in his panicked state. This eventually leads to Usopp uncovering Perona's weakness and defeating her. This is the first time Usopp didn't need an outside source to focus him. Now (wheeezing.....) that brings us to the time skip, Which (Coughing blood) doesn't really have all that much change when it comes to Usopp. The point of this crazy rant is to point out the fact that Usopp never lets any of his previous success really stay with him. He always reverts back to a coward. And nothing really changes for him. Thx for reading this (Wheezing) long winded nonsense. Now I'm just gonna rest my eyes..(Collapses to floor)

GeeksFTW

2024-10-07 16:11:02 +0000 UTC

Lil bro you’re tripping. Ya can’t reply to one person saying they are yapping then proceed to write an essay LMAO chill out. Learn to have proper discussions and discourse.

aliciaxlife

2024-10-07 16:08:43 +0000 UTC

Which death hurt more? Ace, or Usopp’s integrity? xD

Heckle

2024-10-07 16:06:22 +0000 UTC

Ussop is primarily a survivalist he wants to live through whatever situation he finds himself in. Courage and selfless sacrifice are not native traits to him so he has to work on them. He was on board with the plan of cause trouble and then leave so that someone else takes out Doflamingo. He did let the coward win for a long time but I have faith in Oda!

Calvin

2024-10-07 16:03:32 +0000 UTC

I feel I am very chill at the moment. I didn't say or make any accusations that anyone was breaking any rules. Nor is my message meant to be aggressive or threatening in tone, hence the playful use of the word y'all. Your reply does seem to be a bit more aggressive then my commemt, given you're use of profanity and multiple exclamation points at the end of you're commemt.

Gus

2024-10-07 15:54:21 +0000 UTC

Oooh... the debates.... the debates...

DocteurNS

2024-10-07 15:51:38 +0000 UTC

@Robert Collard Usopp cares about the Straw Hats at this point in the story, but not as much about the strangers he’s just met. He even admits to playing the 'hero' because it seemed advantageous, calling it a little white lie to himself. Usopp sees the overwhelming strength of the enemy — Trebol using an entire ship as a weapon, and the appearance of new soldiers —and he suggests retreating to Robin because the odds are clearly stacked against them. However, he never actually runs away before Robin is turned into a toy. Once Robin is transformed, Usopp's situation changes drastically, and after being wracked with guilt from hearing the Tontatta’s faith in him, he rallies. This is likely the first time in the entire series where he genuinely cares about people who aren’t close to him, marking a significant moment in his growth as a more selfless character.

F. Carasind

2024-10-07 15:49:54 +0000 UTC

Because someone gave me a proper response that i could answer to, meaningless replies like yours are exactly what yapping is, sorry you find conversation that doesn't involve you annoying tho hope you get better.

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 15:47:02 +0000 UTC

So way are you bloody yaping like this? Man your annoying as hell

Raven Shadow

2024-10-07 15:44:57 +0000 UTC

We ain’t breaking any rules so take a damn seat, and chill!

Raven Shadow

2024-10-07 15:40:54 +0000 UTC

Usopp gets what he deserves after his streak of cowardice. In spades.

Vincent

2024-10-07 15:36:56 +0000 UTC

The difference between development and progression is trivial only in the semantic sense, which is why i explicitly stated people shouldn't argue me on it, the context of my comment makes it very clear what i'm referring to and any attempt at trying to argue whether its 'progression' or 'development' is a nothing burger where people try to make themselves seem smarter with pointless arguments in my experience. Clearly i mean how a character evolves and changes throughout the series, the word development fits that, why half the anime community decided to use a word that literally describes 'change over time' for a concept that is actually 'establishment' not 'development' is beyond me. You can use progression sure, doesn't make the use of development make any more sense though. For the actual point of the comment, it is very difficult to not be focused "on the whole bravery thing" when thats the crux of his character. Him being cowardly is a trait thats been established with his character since day 1, him wanting to be a brave warrior being his goal. The series then double, triple and quadruples down "on the whole bravery thing" by making Usopp constantly be cowardly, but slowly, ever so gradually facing up to his fears in different arcs each in different ways and by the time of the 2 year Time-Skip, eventually being able to totally stand on his own two feet even against hordes of enemies (Fishman Island), while in certain situations displaying that hes still a bit of a scaredy cat (Punk Hazard). THAT is your character progression, and imho, it was well executed until Dressrosa. Dressrosa then nearly walks this totally back 10 steps (and he doesn't much improve in future arcs). Yes, Usopp usually fights for people he likes or his friends, ie the Giants or the Crew, however the stories and reasonings for why he would usually like people were ALL THROWN AT HIM during the Tontatta backstory and not to mention he had the guilt of lying to them weighing on him on top. Based on everything we know about his character (how his character was "developed") this should've been reason for him to stand his ground with the little guys, but he doesn't. Worse yet, the series intentionally makes him out to be someone who USED and SACRIFICED them to save himself, Fishman Island Usopp would kill himself before ever doing something like that. It doesn't make sense why he was written this way, ESPECIALLY post-timeskip. Some people brought up the point of this being 'post timeskip expectations', but that is not an invalid expectation given that his behaviour after training is exactly whats built him up to be someone who would NEVER do something like this. This was NOT a pointless fight, this was a fight he brought upon himself, a fight he knew the stakes and background of and a fight he should by all rights be invested in, if because of Franky's declaration if nothing else. And that is why i brought up the 'unbiased' thing, nobody can tell me without skewing their opinion in favor of Oda being a hyper brilliant writer that this wasn't just a complete miss in his character writing and goes against everything he's built Usopp up to be, i love the scaredy cat gag as much as anyone else but i don't love to see the character i was invested in and closely followed get absolutely hammered like this by poor writing.

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 15:11:52 +0000 UTC

If you got one that makes sense, feel free, otherwise im just getting a lotta yap

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 14:47:33 +0000 UTC

If you can say consistently how a character will react in a certain situation, then that means that character was flashed out enough for you to make that prediction, therefore there had to be character development. The very fact that Alicia can predict so many times in the show what people would do or how they would react is proof of that. So saying the character development (which is different from character progression, it's not a trivial difference you know) is nonexistent for 80% of the cast is just a hyperbole or disingenuous. As the matter of Usop, I think people are too focused on the coward/bravery thing that they forget that the reason for someone to fight is not always just about that. As far as I recall, Usop only ever fought for either his friends (crewmates) or people he liked (e.g. the giants). He never took fights he didn't have to take and did and still would absolutely run away from pointless fights. He wants to be a "brave warrior" but doesn't fight for the sake of bravery, he needs to be brave in order to fight for others. In fact, if you read ch 1036 it's clear that this is consistent and Oda thinks that fighting for nothing is stupid, not bravery and Usop's character doesn't long for that "kind" of bravery. And here, IMHO, lies the disconnection of this part: unlike Franky or us readers, who instantly liked the Tontattas, Usop never sided with them up to this point and always said that he was taking advantage of them and looking for a way out. Therefore, to me, it's natural that once Robin was forgotten, in his eye the mission was "failed" and he ditched the Tontattas. Was he an a**hole? Absolutely. Don't like it? Perfectly understandable. But I disagree with those saying that it makes no sense. Of course, we are in the realm of subjectivity, so I don't expect to convince people of this.

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 14:46:53 +0000 UTC

You never wanted a contribution anyway.

Setsuna

2024-10-07 14:41:19 +0000 UTC

Damnit!! We didn’t get to see the meme! Hopefully Alicia goes for a binge tonight.

Chris White

2024-10-07 14:40:01 +0000 UTC

people say "he forgot about Robin tho"... bro he reverted back to how he was even before fighting off Kuro

nick

2024-10-07 14:30:17 +0000 UTC

People need to chill with the Usopp hate, especially any of you manga readers like me that know what's coming I know some of y'all are just fanning the flames right now too get reactions in the comments and I do not see it as appropriate behavior.

Gus

2024-10-07 14:20:47 +0000 UTC

Thanks for the contribution, glad you agree

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 14:17:28 +0000 UTC

Lmao

Pht0m(Alex)

2024-10-07 14:15:06 +0000 UTC

Usopp’s character development in One Piece can be frustrating for some people, especially in arcs like Dressrosa, where he runs away at first. It might feel like he’s regressing, but it’s important to remember that his journey is all about growth, and that growth isn’t always a straight line. From the beginning, Usopp’s defining traits have been his fear and self-doubt. He’s one of the weakest crew members, so it’s natural that he’d struggle with being brave. But over time, we’ve seen him push through that fear when it really matters, such as in Alabasta or Enies Lobby. His bravery tends to come out when the stakes are high—especially when his friends are in danger. In those moments, he can summon incredible courage, but it’s understandable that he still has moments of hesitation or fear. What makes Usopp’s development feel real is that it’s not an instant change. He’s still working through his fear, and his growth is gradual. People don’t just stop being scared after a few brave moments—it takes time. This back and forth between bravery and fear is what makes his journey relatable. It’s easy to see his running away as a step back, but once you see what happens next, it’s clear that he’s still moving forward in his own way. Usopp also plays a comedic role in the series, and his scared reactions are often used for humor. That’s part of why his character doesn’t fully shift into constant bravery—his fearful moments serve to lighten the mood. But underneath that, there’s real development happening. The important thing to keep in mind is that Usopp’s dream is to become a brave warrior of the sea. He’s not there yet, and that’s okay because that’s the whole point of his journey. He’s still learning and growing. It makes sense that he isn’t fully brave now, but his character is on the path to get there. Asking why Usopp isn’t fully brave yet or why he still runs away is a lot like asking why Luffy isn’t the King of the Pirates yet. Both of them are on their own journeys, working toward their big goals, but they’re not there yet—and that’s what makes the story interesting. If Usopp suddenly became fearless, or if Luffy became the Pirate King right away, we’d miss out on all the growth and challenges that make the characters who they are. Usopp’s dream is to be a brave warrior of the sea, just like Luffy’s dream is to become the Pirate King. Usopp’s path to courage is full of ups and downs, and that’s part of what makes his development feel real. He’s still working through his fears, just like Luffy is still working through the challenges that stand in the way of his dream. Both journeys take time, and it’s the setbacks and moments of struggle that make their eventual successes more rewarding.

Mate Mouse

2024-10-07 14:13:50 +0000 UTC

I wasn't asking, i made a statement. Whether it's close minded or biased is up to you, but i don't see any way one can make an unbiased argument for Oda's writing surrounding Usopp at this time to be 'good' in any sense of the word. It's disrespectful towards the character, it's wasteful of all the progress he's made so far, and it's downright insulting to any viewer whos invested in Usopp's character only for himt to take 10 steps back

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 13:57:33 +0000 UTC

Pretty biased and close minded opinion for an opinion to ask for unbiased counter argument.

Pht0m(Alex)

2024-10-07 13:48:38 +0000 UTC

Ussop runs when he's in danger. if his friends are in danger, he stays and fights, like with Chopper in Alabasta and with the Straw Hats at Enies Lobby When Robin got turned into a toy, Ussop forgets about her and tries to run away; he's too cowardly to fight for himself He liked the Tontottas but he didn't consider them his friends, just people he lied to. It was only after they declared they would die for Ussop did he consider them true friends and chose to fight for their sake.

Pht0m(Alex)

2024-10-07 13:45:12 +0000 UTC

One of the few reasons i will never accept One Piece as a 'masterpiece' show is precisely the writing surrounding Usopp, Oda has continually flubbed character writing in this show with certain characters, which to a point is to be expected from a show this long ongoing, but Usopp is the worst example by far. Let's forget the fact character development (yes, i know you can call it character progression, don't argue semantics with me i don't give a shit) is nearly non existent in this show for 80% of its cast. Usopp alone has gone back and forth between being a coward, to being cowardly but competent, to being a scaredy cat but pretty brave and sometimes even standoffish and now finally to being reverted all the way back to a spineless coward. Worse yet, he's been written as a coward who would use and sacrifice others to save his own skin. NEVER has Usopp been portrayed this poorly, i realize there are some differences between the manga and anime, and that theres also a few logical conclusions one can come to such as the fact he forgot Robin existed, but we need to be real here this was just complete dogshit writing from Oda's side and theres no unbiased counter arguement to that

Lewd Angel

2024-10-07 13:31:51 +0000 UTC

yeah, not a great moment for usopp and the anime made it look even worse :D

Karl Tom

2024-10-07 13:29:23 +0000 UTC

Sugars power is just stupid broken and robin and ussop can’t rlly defeat trebol so idk why she keeps saying “use the sniper skills” like those will matter against trebol

CQC Greed

2024-10-07 13:29:08 +0000 UTC

She definitely doesn’t understand sugars power

CQC Greed

2024-10-07 13:27:21 +0000 UTC

The Usopp slander is warranted

Maxim

2024-10-07 13:24:55 +0000 UTC

Even before Robin was turned into a toy he wanted to run away. Dude listened to the history of the Tontattas and how Doflamingo took over Dressrosa and how Franky perfectly explained to Luffy and everyone that they have to help end Doglamingo’s reign of terror and Usopp was thinking “cool bro lets leave these people” Thankfully it can’t get worse in the arc but Usopp was made to look like a coward more than usual.

Robert Collard

2024-10-07 13:24:17 +0000 UTC

this is a very poorly done moment for Usopp, there are going to be tons of people in the YT comments trying to defend it, but let's be honest, they're just in denial. the whole "Usopp forgot everything" argument makes no sense, he would still remember: Standing up to Eneru with Sanji and Nami in Skypia Mr.4 & Ms Merry Christmas in Alabasta Perona in Thriller Bark, Fighting Luffy in Water 7 reading about Ace and being motivated to grow and rejoin the crew during the timeskip.

Grandmasta

2024-10-07 13:15:11 +0000 UTC

Don't worry Alicia, you are going through what everybody did during this part. Except that we had to sit on this for weeks before seeing the whole picture. That plus a mixture of different expectations of the "post timeskip", made this part a sore spot for many up to this day. The stuff about forgetting the Enies Lobby characterization is a fan theory, it is not a fact. I don't agree with it either. I think there is a simpler explanation: the disconnection here is because both us readers and people like Franky instantly liked and sided with the Tontattas. Not Usop, as he said, he was taking advantage of them from the start and looking for a way out of the operation. Once Robin was turned into a toy, Usop had no stake in this anymore because IIRC he never actually fought for strangers, only for his friends and people he liked. Only when he decided to actually help the Tontattas, he went back to fight. Of course, this is my take and it's totally fine to still not like this part. I don't really like it either and in reality, I believe this was just a setup for an "anime moment" that was dragged too long so the result was poor.

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 13:07:52 +0000 UTC

The anime frequently ruins character moments.

Joshua Wadcock

2024-10-07 13:03:27 +0000 UTC

I still don’t think she understands Sugar’s power.

Joshua Wadcock

2024-10-07 13:01:31 +0000 UTC

Not really. He was alone, what hope did he have?

Joshua Wadcock

2024-10-07 12:57:25 +0000 UTC

It's a fan theory. Personally, I don't like it. I think the simpler explanation is that if you think about it, Usop had no investment in this fight to begin with. Once Robin was forgotten, he was alone in enemy territory with people he was taking advantage of from the start. So he dipped out. Only after he decided to actually help the tontattas he fought for real.

leviathan_13

2024-10-07 12:53:40 +0000 UTC

I remember the complaints of Usopp this entire arc while following weekly with the manga. We know he’s a scaredy cat but up to this point despite knowing the entire backstory of what has happened he still wanted to run away even though Franky pointed out to everyone perfectly that despite them being pirates they could not let Doflamingo and his people stay on top to let Kaido deal with him. I still know a few people who say no matter what happened by the end of this arc and after they could never see Usopp the same again. And this was before the snails pace of the anime making Usopp’s action s look even worse. And for those who are trying to use the crutch of Usopp losing his memories of Robin and Enies Lobby: he wanted to run long before Robin got turned into a toy

Robert Collard

2024-10-07 12:22:47 +0000 UTC

Its absolutely confirmed he forgets everything about Robin but that wouldn’t affect most of his character development just the things that have to do with her. Its a given though that he wouldn’t have run away if he realized he was also abandoning her.

Iamir

2024-10-07 12:17:59 +0000 UTC

Definitely a top 3 worst usopp moment

Happy

2024-10-07 11:53:07 +0000 UTC

the pacing of the anime ruins usopp's stuff he went through. Ih have seen some people argue usopp reverted into even more of a coward this arc after Robin was turned into a toy, because he didn't remember why he fought so hard in enis lobby anymore, but I don't know if it was confirmed or just fan theory

bloodyshadow1

2024-10-07 11:39:18 +0000 UTC

The anime did Usopp so dirty! First off the pacing, this entire episode was HALF A MANGA CHAPTER. Second Usopp never said he'd "write their story when they're gone" he only said he hoped they would get away. Third he ran strait back right after Leo said "Usoland would never lie" And the squishing happened while he was running back, and he was screaming to stop it and NOT COVERING HIS EARS.

Alicia Barkley

2024-10-07 11:21:51 +0000 UTC

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God the anime really stretches Usopp as far as they possibly can before they let him bounce back. Its basically torture porn

Usopp defenders crazy in here man

I keep saying this every time people call Ussop a liar: Ussop has never told a lie in his life, he just tells the truth ahead of schedule.

**quietly so no one can hear** (I actually really like Usopp's story arc here, I relate to having a hard time doing things because you are scared).

It comes off more like he's in the middle of a town square searching for an exit than running 19 docks away though. He's so far gone in the anime adaptation and it takes like 3 episodes instead of a few panels

It's the pacing. A few panels gets stretched into 15 minutes. A brief moment of him turning away and starting his stride gets turned into a several minute long sprint before he turns around.

I've never been the biggest Usopp fan... but I've also never seen him sell out allies before - and it's not even because he's being coerced/tortured... it's simply due to his own cowardice - and after that had supposedly been "developed" out of him. Really hating him in this arc.

Thought I'm frustrated, I get him running away cause he forgot robin existed and that's where he was at his bravest

Usopp was a coward for his entire life. That isn't going to change after just a couple of years.

People try to say that forgetting Robin reverted all his character development, but that's honestly just BS. I won't say it didn't partially set him back but most of his character development in Enies Lobby/Water 7 was more related to Luffy anyways. So yes it IS just bad writing for his character.

Grow up

Except it's not. Grow up

The anime makes this worse by stretching it out, but the issue is still there.

That wouldn't be how that worked, he would remember what he did just not who he did it for.

You are a liar and a whore!

Apparently Oda confirmed the theory in an sbs. Plus if you read the manga then he only really gets unusually cowardly after robin is turned.

would agree if they didn't take 20 episodes to show how he from the very beginning wanted to run away/escape/have nothing to do with it.

Usopp forgot about Robin and likely all the events on EL. So his character regressed

in the manga, usopps internal struggle wasn't nearly as lengthy. toei definitely stretched these panels out way to much.

There is a love/hate/love relationship with Dressrosa. You have reached the bell curve of the low. Once other things happen, it gets WAAAY better.

I feel like when people believe that ussop could have contributed they are really underselling Trebol. He is basically doffys equivalent to zoro or sanji he might be on his bullshit but Trebol is actually fairly strong

The undergound dressrose plot is almost universally agreed to be the worst canon one peice plot due to what happened with Usopp so you're not alone alicia. (Don't despair Usopp gets another moment in this arc to heal the character a bit).

Oh just wait Alicia, as the ancient proverb goes: “good things come to those who wait.”

I agree, it’s Ussop. There’s gonna be ups and downs with his character, you just gotta be patient.

Not too salty i hated this first time round.

We getting spoiled with Alicia one piece reactions

i know. there is still some growth between now and Elbaf, but discussing that would be spoilers and i don't want to be banned.

Thank you

This is why you should have started one pace after the time skip

He will become valuable... very, very, VERY valuable 😅😅😅🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Can't remember exactly what I was feeling back when I first watched this, but I don't think I ever stopped believing in Usopp. You know he'll do the right thing, even if he runs away first. And the long drawn out pacing just makes it even more satisfying when he does do something.

Next pair of episodes Alicia will bear witness to….’The Miracle’.

i did forget but he really tried to pull through for zoro and shot a admiral and that was post time skip, while in front of him too now that i remember, well i threw in my 2 cents lol

keep in mind if it wasn't for ussop and then franky, robin would of been DEAD in the past

I didn't start watching One Piece until they go to ...well. The arc after this. I'm so glad, I would've been pissed if I had to watch this weekly.

One explanation I like is that when Robin was turned into a toy the character of sogeking ceased to exist as he only was there because of the need to rescue Robin so his character development fell back a bit due to that. (This is probably just a way to excuse his behavior and make it less annoying)

We can only hope The One Piece does it better some day.

Yeah, this whole bit with Ussop is... I get the idea but the execution wasn't the best, the Anime stretching it out even longer really did not help it. But, that is in the past now.

Yeah but I mean afterwards when everything went to shit he can’t attack logia users I mean trebol isn’t weak

Alicia getting mad at Usopp is like how haters get mad at Alicia a great parallel!

Bro this and the next arc are peak, “I’m so glad I was reading the manga weekly”

Usopp has never gone to bat for people he doesnt care for or respect. The entire time since meeting the Tontattas, Usopp has been desperate to get away from them, he wanted no part in their mission or their troubles, he just wanted to get the mission done and leave.

Moments like this is when you truly see how ass the pacing of dressrosa in the anime is. Everything involving Usopp from the past 3 episodes could have been 1 episode.

I believe in a miracle, I believe in god usopp and so must you

PRAY FOR USOPP!

Le mayo

I think Ussop saying all that bc we all know when he lies it sometimes happens like the gold fish.

From this point on there is no more bad, the worst of this arc is behind us and the rest is gold.

This is the one and only part of the arc I HATE, because of how Ussop was handled on Operation SOP. If it weren't for this I might have put it as my favourite arc above Enies Lobby.

Yep anime does fuck up some things especially when they add filler scenes for no reason,the manga is def better than the anime but the anime is still so good,they both have their pros and cons

Believe it or not, Dressrosa Usopp is (sadly) the best we got post-timeskip

Bro got called out by alicia herself lmao

i don't just hate that pos right now i have hated him since day one and still do, imo the show could do well without him

THIS COMMENT! Thank you. I needed to know that Oda didn’t fuck over Usopp that much. Good to know that’s anime issue more so. Still a bit brutal but not nearly as bad

Lil bro you’re tripping. Ya can’t reply to one person saying they are yapping then proceed to write an essay LMAO chill out. Learn to have proper discussions and discourse.

Which death hurt more? Ace, or Usopp’s integrity? xD

Oooh... the debates.... the debates...

Because someone gave me a proper response that i could answer to, meaningless replies like yours are exactly what yapping is, sorry you find conversation that doesn't involve you annoying tho hope you get better.

So way are you bloody yaping like this? Man your annoying as hell

We ain’t breaking any rules so take a damn seat, and chill!

Usopp gets what he deserves after his streak of cowardice. In spades.

If you got one that makes sense, feel free, otherwise im just getting a lotta yap

You never wanted a contribution anyway.

Damnit!! We didn’t get to see the meme! Hopefully Alicia goes for a binge tonight.

people say "he forgot about Robin tho"... bro he reverted back to how he was even before fighting off Kuro

People need to chill with the Usopp hate, especially any of you manga readers like me that know what's coming I know some of y'all are just fanning the flames right now too get reactions in the comments and I do not see it as appropriate behavior.

Thanks for the contribution, glad you agree

Lmao

Pretty biased and close minded opinion for an opinion to ask for unbiased counter argument.

yeah, not a great moment for usopp and the anime made it look even worse :D

Sugars power is just stupid broken and robin and ussop can’t rlly defeat trebol so idk why she keeps saying “use the sniper skills” like those will matter against trebol

She definitely doesn’t understand sugars power

The Usopp slander is warranted

The anime frequently ruins character moments.

I still don’t think she understands Sugar’s power.

Not really. He was alone, what hope did he have?

Its absolutely confirmed he forgets everything about Robin but that wouldn’t affect most of his character development just the things that have to do with her. Its a given though that he wouldn’t have run away if he realized he was also abandoning her.

Definitely a top 3 worst usopp moment

quietly so no one can hear (I actually really like Usopp's story arc here, I relate to having a hard time doing things because you are scared).