Transparency
Added 2016-07-15 04:44:26 +0000 UTCI've always tried to do my best to make the Yandere Simulator development process as transparent as possible. However, I've recently heard some people claiming that I'm secretive about how the Patreon money is spent, or that I'm pocketing Patreon money that should be going to volunteers. To dispel those notions, I'll just go right ahead and tell you what's been going on from December 2015 until July 2016.
At some point in 2015, I set a $3,500 milestone on Patreon. I've always openly stated that I consider this to be my "monthly salary" for working on Yandere Simulator.
Numerous volunteers assist me in developing Yandere Simulator. In December 2015, I decided that, whenever the Patreon raised at least $4,000, I would use the extra $500 to pay volunteers, as long as those volunteers met certain criteria:
1. Contributing to the game on a daily or almost-daily basis.
2. Contributing to the game in an extremely significant way.
3. Are in a position where they have to stop contributing to the game if they aren't making money from it.
Druelbozo is the only volunteer who has ever met all of those criteria. Druelbozo left the project in June 2016 (he got a job at a game studio). From December 2015 until June 2016, I paid Druelbozo $500 every month for his contributions to the project. (That's $3,500 total).
This is how much money the Patreon has raised every month since December 2015:
December $4,312.10
January $5,434.96
February $5,528.33
March $5,811.06
April $5,391.76
May $5,047.99
June $4,914.86
Since $3,500 goes to me every month, the total amount of "extra" money that the Patreon has raised is $12,941.06.
$3,500 of that went to Druelbozo, meaning that we had a surplus of $9,441.06 that was not going to any volunteers.
My intention with this surplus of money was to put it towards the game's eventual crowdfunding campaign. For example, if I need $100,000 to fund the final game, and the Patreon raises a surplus of $20,000, then I only need to ask for $80,000 when I launch the crowdfunding campaign.
Ever since it became clear to me that Yandere Simulator had the potential to have a very successful crowdfunding campaign, I decided that the campaign's first "stretch goal" should be to raise enough money to pay back the volunteers who helped out in significant ways by giving them the amount of money they would have normally been paid. (For example, Druelbozo normally would have been paid $1,500 per month for the work he did for me, for which he was only compensated $500 per month.)
At a rate of $1,500 per month for 7 months, Druelbozo deserved $10,500 for the work he did for me. Additionally, for his work prior to December, he deserved to be compensated an extra $1,500, meaning that I truly owed him $12,000, even though I had only paid him $3,500.
On July 14th, I decided to pay Druelbozo $8,500 immediately, instead of waiting for the eventual crowdfunding campaign to meet a stretch goal. As a result, the Patreon "surplus" has dropped from $9,441.06 to merely $941.06. (But, on the plus side, the crowdfunding campaign's first stretch goal just got $8,500 lower.)
At this point in time, there are no volunteers who meet the criteria to become paid volunteers. (There is one volunteer who might qualify, but I need to test his skills a bit before I can decide on that.)
Because I usually work on Yandere Simulator for 84 hours per week, it's honestly quite difficult for me to say whether or not $3,500 constitutes a fair monthly wage for my time and effort. I have considered raising the number higher, but I fear that people will accuse me of being greedy if I do that. So, for now, I'll just continue to work at a wage of $3,500 per month, and anything above that amount will continue to go into the "Crowdfunding Campaign Fund".
I hope that this post assuages the concerns of anyone who felt like I was being secretive about the Patreon money!
Comments
Hilarious
2017-08-09 15:22:33 +0000 UTCThe best thing to do with the surplus is to make it raise with some financial investment. I'd suggest you to make some kind of investment that would allow the final surplus to be even greater than the one that would actually accumulate with the years of development, could be a investment that has a 7% gain by semester for example, or even a saving account with that whooping 1% gain. With this final surplus you can make compensate the volunteers and have money enough to pay other important things to the game, like publicity and the bug fix phase itself. I'm sure that nobody actually knows the best combination of options of these pools, as none of them are actually bad, but I'd suggest you to think about the definition of a job and a volunteer job. You are making progress as fast as a single guy developing could be, and 12 hours day is a insane daily routine, to the point of actually affect one's mental health. Then again, you should consider one more game designer, as there ARE tasks that don't involve programming itself, such as design a routine for every rival of the game.
gabriel nascimento novaes
2017-01-06 23:59:59 +0000 UTCDakota - you forgot to emphasize something - 84 hours weekly is 12 hours daily **7 days a week**. How many of you would agree to work that long with hardly and rest and all of this for just 3500$/mo, which, at least where I leave, is about the average gross salary for a junior developer (or average net salary for a senior developer). I actually believe that Yanderedev puts a lot more effort than most people will, regardless of money and even if he can't keep up that pace and decides to take weekends off or something (like virtually everyone) he still deserves 3500$/mo at least. I certainly won't cancel my pledge.
Dan
2017-01-06 10:28:01 +0000 UTCAgree with Airyu - 84 hours of work weekly is 12 hours of work daily - if you work 7 days a week! Most people would probably not work that amount of time for any sum of money and Yanderedev must have a lot of passion for this game since it's not difficult for a programmer to get 3500$ monthly working 8 hours a day without weekends (btw you say 3500$ but don't forget income tax!). Yanderedev probably deserves a lot more than this. I just hope that the Kickstarter will be so successful that he manages to get all stretch goals, send all the free copies that he would probably offer to backers and still make a large sum of money to compensate for all the time and effort that he puts into this, because the more I look at it the more I see that he deserves every single penny.
Dan
2017-01-06 10:11:53 +0000 UTCWow, that was a very sweet message! Thank you very much for taking the time to type out such kind words for me! I appreciate it! I'm very grateful to have your support! Thank you so much!
YandereDev
2016-08-08 10:21:46 +0000 UTCI think you're doing a wonderful job and I deeply appreciate all of the passion and hard work you are putting into this job. For the amount of hours you are putting in each week compared to the monthly salary you allow yourself, it's clear to me, and to those in the community that care to pay attention, that you truly want to see your game succeed. I've been watching the evolution of your game's design, game play, and even the tiny details that have gone in. I have to give you, and your team of volunteers props. I'm glad that a friend of mine told me to check you out. This is such a unique game, and the idea is inspired. I'm also glad you're able to grab some semblance of sanity and humor through your easter eggs as well. With all that you are doing, you deserve to sit back and have something silly to laugh over. Please do not neglect your health however. Be sure to get enough sleep and nutrients so that you can keep on working on this game that you so clearly love.
Jessica McCraine
2016-08-08 01:13:30 +0000 UTCYou deserve the money, by all means, for all the work you are doing. Just make sure not to overwork yourself. Pace it like an actual job, that way you don't come to hate the project or anything like that. Keep it up!
Jacob
2016-07-26 01:43:57 +0000 UTCYandere-dev! Yandere-dev! I hav a fanart for u,it's yandere-chan ,but in pony version.it doesn't matter if u hate it or not 💜💙❤️💚💞💝💗💘💓💖❣❣❣❣
CuteOkaRutoYanSim
2016-07-24 18:47:06 +0000 UTCHi!!!
CuteOkaRutoYanSim
2016-07-24 18:17:12 +0000 UTCnot true, if you factor in overtime being time and a half (1.5 times the pay) then his hours a week become equivalent to 106 a week. 106 hours per week x 4.3 weeks per month is 455.8 hours per month. $3,500 dollars per month / 455.8 hours per month = 7.68 per hour. Still piss poor since that's just above minimum wage, but it's not 9 cents an hour.
Andrew Peterson
2016-07-24 15:38:57 +0000 UTCYandereDev I know this is unrelated but you shouldn't work yourself so hard that you put your own health at risk, you deserve a break. Make it like an actual job, take the weekends off to relax to yourself. You deserve it for all the hard work you do for everyone and the game.
Jordi
2016-07-24 01:29:27 +0000 UTCyou did the math wrong There are 4.3 weeks in a month (on average, rounded to the nearest decimal)
PJ Craddock
2016-07-23 20:38:49 +0000 UTCI did the math, if that is true, YandereDev you are working 336 hours a month, you are paying yourself 9.6 cents a hour! Not dollars, cents!
AssassinPsyche
2016-07-23 19:46:46 +0000 UTCThank u that i am learning about japan because i love to learn about it, u are a really cool guy 😻
Mang
2016-07-23 02:41:19 +0000 UTCWow
Mang
2016-07-19 01:50:53 +0000 UTCPerhaps you should make this a text video, so that your youtube subscribers know- a lot of people don't follow on patreon
PJ Craddock
2016-07-17 22:20:05 +0000 UTCIt's so strange to me that people have continued to doubt your actions with money, when honestly you have been fully transparent about your use of Patreon funds since you set the first milestone. Hopefully now that you've put all of the information in a single post for folks to read, you don't get badgered about it anymore!
Cory
2016-07-17 21:46:07 +0000 UTCThough I never had this worry, you did well in being so blunt and transparent with where the money has gone, and I appreciate that you did so for the benefit of those who might've been shaken by recent crowdfunding/patronage failures like Mighty No. 9 or Breeding Season (obviously not the same level of visibility there, but BS is the only Patreon failure I've seen on news sites). Suffice it to say that I'd be surprised if there were even three patrons in total, let alone among the doubters, who can say they put in more than eighty hours of work a week into just about anything besides a hobby, so if that estimate is true then you've done more than good by my gauge, and by far more than deserving of $3.5k a month.
neokenka
2016-07-17 19:54:45 +0000 UTCI dont know the state of Salary in the USA/California, but $3500 would be a whole lot where I live. Of course you work a whole lot, but you do it, because you want to make the game as awesome as possible, not because a contract forces to so so. In teh field I work in (Academic setting), similar work times are not unusual, but for even less pay (upto 60h per weak for less then 2000€ a month) because the peaople want to work, not because they are forced to. Of course we get a PHD at the end of the suffering, but the money is never a motivation. I think it coems down to: Do you "need" more money, to get better/healthier food, better workign equipment, better hobby stuff, for teh little free time you have? I think you earned it. You really shouldnt worry about the bills when you worl this amount. But I don'T think you need the money "to feel appreciated", at least, I know I wouldn't. Long story short: Pay yourself the amount of money that you can safely say, "I'm okay with this and don'T ave to worry about the bills at all" so you can comfortbly do what you want to do.
Tobias G.
2016-07-17 08:17:37 +0000 UTCOkay honestly dude, you deserve more than 3,500. What you are doing is so badass in my eyes, taking this project head on like you are. You inspired me to start trying development on games myself, and made me more open to the idea of programing. I cant put down much for you, but I did, and I am proud of it. I have been following your project for a while now, and as a vivid lover of the stealth genre, I can say that your game is amazing me at every turn. I'm looking forward to the final product, and I'll be with you every step of the way. Good luck dude, don't work yourself to death though!
Trevor Burke
2016-07-17 07:51:09 +0000 UTC*84h per week
Dave Dao
2016-07-17 00:00:52 +0000 UTCYanDev responded so there's little point in repeating this, but notable people in the gaming industry are invited to attend, meaning they don't pay for a pass. He's not someone that sits on his ass while the volunteers put in 50 hours each. YanSim wasn't just an idea that he's watching happen, this is what he does for a living now. I unfortunately can't say $3,500 isn't enough to live off of because I only make $1,000 on a good month to support myself, but I can at least say that he deserves his money for how much work he puts into it. I dare you to spent 84 hours a week, 12 hours a day everyday, working your ass off. I want to say at least he gets to sit down, but have you ever sat down for 12 hours? Your legs get wobbly as hell man. Finally, he's not your fucking slave. You are an insignificant kid in this light, so there's no reason for him to cater to you and never enjoy his life. Fuck off.
Muse
2016-07-16 23:12:49 +0000 UTCYandereDev you've made me want to become a game programmer/developer I think you deserve more money that $3500 since regular programmers make about $90000 per year. Also, I'm sorry to hear that Druelbozo had to leave.
Jackson Dunning
2016-07-16 23:10:12 +0000 UTC$3500 a month is not a lot for 84 hours of programming work per week in the United States. The median salary is about $4500 per month, and the average is about $4250 per month, assuming 40 hours of work per week, so 1.25 times the pay for less than half the time yandev works. To give you an idea of cost of living, rent for a small 1br apartment averages $900 outside of a city or $1500 in a city, not including gas, electricity, water, trash, etc.
Airyu
2016-07-16 21:03:33 +0000 UTC84 hours our of 168 hours a week... I wasn't aware you spent half the week on Yandere Sim! Wow. 3500 isn't that much for you to get a month considering that some programmers that get 90000 a year give a project half effort. It's great to hear that your putting so much money towards Yandere Simulator even though you deserve to be payed much more for putting in your all. When you launch the crowdfunding campaign I hope that any money that isn't put towards volunteers or the game (excess from the 300k or so that's raised) goes to your next project! You'll have a lot to live up to...
IzzyLee514
2016-07-16 19:32:03 +0000 UTCAt $3500 a month, you make $42000 a year. That's an entry-level salary for a programmer. On average, programmers earn around $90000 a year, or $7500 a month. I wouldn't worry about raising your salary by $500 or even $1000 dollars, it's more understandable, if you consider the fact that you work on this project 12 hours a day!
David Khachaturov
2016-07-16 18:16:13 +0000 UTCI dont know a lot about USA, but in my country, 3500 dollars are twice the total amount my mom receive... and she has two sons to take care of...
muri
2016-07-16 15:32:33 +0000 UTCAwww, that's sweet!
YandereDev
2016-07-16 08:22:33 +0000 UTCYou always tell us "thank you for following the development of Yandere Simulator". Patreon is the one of the few ways I can say "thank you for developing Yandere Simulator".
Airyu
2016-07-16 07:53:48 +0000 UTCThat's incredibly nice of you to say! Thank you so much for your kind words!
YandereDev
2016-07-16 06:47:13 +0000 UTCYou are so cool. I am learning an entire language of code- thanks to you. You work so hard on the game, and I have been following the game's development since that very first Wordpress blog. You have changed my life by showing so much determination. Whenever there is a bug- you fix it. Whenever you have 5,679 emails- you read them and tell the retards to piss off. Whenever you make a mistake (you don't usually) you apologise sincerely. If the whole world showed as much courage as you, we would have colonised the moon and Mars. Thank you.
Isaac Marvel
2016-07-16 06:42:33 +0000 UTCDevpai,
Isaac Marvel
2016-07-16 06:37:55 +0000 UTCI got to attend E3 for free, since I'm a member of the game industry.
YandereDev
2016-07-15 19:48:51 +0000 UTCYanDev, You are professional in such a inspiring way. Thank you for showing this to everybody, makes me very proud to be helping the project. As a programmer, I know how hard can be to achieve some results in a game, and as a gamer i'm very happy to see the progress you have made this far. In a foreseeable future we will see the results. I hope that as soon as you finish this project you create a company to share your knowledge and create a wonderful team, this way more well made games can come out. You can be sure that if the project is a good one, we will have your back here on pantreon or other similar. Cheers and good luck! Gabriel
gabriel nascimento novaes
2016-07-15 18:58:08 +0000 UTCYou're probably one of the most productive people I've ever seen on Patreon. I wouldn't mind if you got paid more, all things considered.
Billybobgeorgebob
2016-07-15 16:14:38 +0000 UTC>complaining about the man going to E3 to promote his game
friend
2016-07-15 14:49:18 +0000 UTCNever once have I suspected any ill-will from you which is why I gladly continue to back this project in any way that I can. Thank you for being up front with us about the costs and everything, I look forward to seeing how this game continues to grow! Also once this game hits kickstarter you can be certain I'll be one of the first backers and in a big way. Keep it up man, you deserve whatever success this game brings you.
Patrick (Gammalad)
2016-07-15 12:57:35 +0000 UTCHe gets 3,500$ as a salary for working 84 hours a week on the game. like a normal job. That means he gets 9.4$ for each hour in a month with 31 days. If he wants to spend 995$ of his salary, then he is free to do that. Or do you complain about what other people buy from the money that they got from working? And like he said Druelbozo left, because he got a fulltime job in a Games Studio.
Mindofthemage
2016-07-15 12:33:50 +0000 UTCDidn't you attend E3 this year? Where it costs $995 to get a pass? Good to see those patron bucks going to good, important use. No wonder Druel jumped ship.
Medium Paul
2016-07-15 12:21:08 +0000 UTCwow 84h per day, hey dont burn yourself out, but if your having fun its all good, just dont get to stressed ok?
TeKett
2016-07-15 11:22:35 +0000 UTCYou are a good person, YandereDev. Thank you for the update!
Chromate
2016-07-15 11:02:35 +0000 UTCWith every new video or blog post I see, I get more and more excited for the game. There has not been one update that did NOT make me nerdgasm. I can tell my money really is contributing in some way or another, but to me it's more about supporting and being a part of history in the making. This project already has millions of people watching and playing it and has become a part of our modern culture. I love everything it stands for! Of course, a game that has a developer with excellent taste helps too. ;)
Tony Hoang Vo
2016-07-15 09:01:22 +0000 UTCYou definitely deserve your 3500 and more, since you work so hard on your game and you spend an überhuman amount of hours on it. And you also need someone to help you with your project, I hope you'll find another volunteer! A huge hug
Hermetic Kitten
2016-07-15 08:18:02 +0000 UTCHello Yanderedev i'm sorry to inform you that I have to withdraw my support to this project. I'm sorry. It dosen't involve around the reasons spoken above. But I've found that the progress, since my contribution, made is too insignificant to justify my continued support of this project. thank you
Ole Vølund Skov Mortensen
2016-07-15 08:05:56 +0000 UTCI think you have been astoundingly reasonable in your interactions with your fan community and your donors. I also am very impressed by your integrity that you will not launch your kickstarter until the game is more presentable. You've done well this far, and I have no intentions of ceasing to follow the development of YandereSim or ceasing to contribute. It is worth the money. With every new build, the game takes more and more shape. Continue on. In my opinion, you do deserve more than $3,500 a month considering the amount of work you put in. You're just barely making over 10 dollars an hour. So, in my opinion, a raise wouldn't deter me from continuing to donate.
Azano4
2016-07-15 07:43:00 +0000 UTCYour persistence and dedication to your project is commendable. I don't doubt the money is being put to good use. Your work speaks for itself. Your creativity and ideas are amazing, I wish other gaming companies would go above and beyond as you. Can't wait to see the end product. Keep up the great work and have a good day/night Mr.YandereDev.
SCP632
2016-07-15 07:02:18 +0000 UTCConsidering all the hard work you put in, and all the time you spend on this game, I'm surprised that people would bother with these questions at all. I have never doubted that my money was not going to a good place, even if that means something as trivial as a box of cereal for you to eat. Your professionalism and candor always makes me proud to contribute the measly amount that I do give you. Thank you for always going above and beyond what is needed of you!!
Lily Marie
2016-07-15 05:46:44 +0000 UTCThat's a wonderful accounting of the project, and you're entirely reasonable; $3500 is a small salary, though hopefully crowdfunding and further monetization will improve on it.
Thomas Hahn
2016-07-15 05:11:17 +0000 UTC