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FIRST TIME WATCHING: Daredevil: Born Again

Hey folks!

Hope you all had a great weekend! We're finally getting into Daredevil: Born Again and I'm so stoked to see what this show has to offer!

My initial plan was to post both episodes 1&2 today and devote a day to starting Severance this week, but I'm currently traveling and on a time crunch. So here is this week's schedule instead:

MON: Daredevil: Born Again S1E1
TUE: Daredevil: Born Again S1E2
WED: Poll
THU: Daredevil: Born Again S1E3
FRI: Donnie Darko

I will start watching Severance next week! In the meantime, thanks so much for your support here on Patreon. Take care and stay golden :)

LINK: https://youtu.be/UZZEaYIEY4A

Original Series: Daredevil: Born Again

Comments

Feels great to be back on here. A lot of catching up. Great to see and hear Natalie's reactions again. It looks like I have to watch Daredevil season 3. I only saw episode one of season 3 and I didn't see a reason to continue watching since Netflix Daredevil, Netflix Punisher, and other Marvel Netflix shit wasn't canon to the MCU and the shows got cancelled. I didn't know if Marvel was going to reboot and recast or just bring back the actors from the Netflix show and semi-reboot. So I didn't know or don't remember a Marcy and didn't know anything about Bullseye getting a metal spine. Seems like Natalie never watched the Echo tv show which is great and I extremely recommend never watch it. They hired someone who is not a fan of Echo to make a Echo tv show. The creator of the show made up an entirely different Echo that isn't the same Echo from the comics nor Hawkeye tv show. Plus the show added a lot of falsely inaccurate Historic events. Embarrassing. I am caught up on on all episodes so far . You know Kirsten is looking to be a bridesmaid at Matt and Heather's wedding lol

Redrum Sacrament

What happened to your eye? Looked like you had blood in it? Hope your ok, you missed alot of Fish in the Echo series tho.

Jayson Phillips

That was a fridging, and worse, it feels like a tacked-on tone deaf fridging trying to placate fans angry about the early costcitting decision -- and doing so with an insulting minimum-effort "tribute" to salvage a production that should never have gotten so far down the wrong track. I'm here for great performances but as for the writing/showrunning I am hatewatching now.

Chet Brusk

They’ve never explained why Fisk is out in Hawkeye or echo but I just assume when half the universe died for 5 years after the snap that probably included some officials working on the case against him and witnesses and so the whole case fell apart. Basically Kingpin should be thanking Thanos every time he eats his bland ass omelette

Rob E

I liked Echo

SilentBobFather

As far as Severance please do not watch more than 2 episodes a week. This show need to mariennate and have all of your attention. Also full intros and outros for every episode. Of course this is just my opinion. And many will probably disagree.

SilentBobFather

Dude, fisk finding a way out of prison is the least surprising, most on character thing kingpin could possibly do. Maybe all the good guards got blipped and the guards working for him let him out, maybe one of his loyalists became governor and pardoned him. He's been out for many years now. I wouldn’t say the whole point of the original show was him going to prison permanently, the original plan for that show was for fisk to be out by season 5 for another showdown with matt.

jamie jones

I'm gonna go on a bit of a recap spray here but it should give more context. There's a lot of subtext missing with the shows you haven't seen. First the bigger one. Not having seen the punisher you're missing a lot about how Karen is so over with the official channels, the government and the law. The way they all screwed frank + what happened in Daredevil season 3 she's now very angry at Matt for being done with Daredevil as she strongly feels like he's one of the only trust worthy source of justice. For Fisk backstory. In Hawkeye we learn that Fisk has an adopted niece or something like that ( Echo ) at the end of Hawkeye we learn that he ensured her dad died so Echo shoots him in the head. In Echo we learn more about Echo's backstory, learn that of course Fisk is still alive. Echo gains some weird ancestral powers that forces Fisk to go on a path of self discovery to realize how evil and twisted he is. ( Look I guess they mean it to be somewhat deeper but I just didn't buy it so I tell it as I perceived it, to me it felt that stupid ) So the weird reunions betwen Fisk and Vanessa is basically him finally coming back from his deep depression or whatever and trying to come back with this plan for the city and leaving Vanessa in charge. He feels very indecisive and not the usual Fisk. Hope that provides some backstory at least for the Fisk stuff I get why you're confused as hell but I definitely understand skipping those other shows.

Heliastein

(for context of Fisk not being in prison) He already was out by the time of Hawkeye, so he just got out some how lol and then he got shot in the face by Maya/Echo. He then was in Echo where he was healed by Maya and a bunch of other stuff that isn't important to this series so far and then he got the idea to run for mayor at the end of that show.

Spencer Wichmann

I love the hero/villain sit down between Matt and Fisk. Because honestly, they’re each one of the few people that the other can truly be honest with! 👀

Daniel McGuinness

Canonically it’s been like 9 years since Daredevil season 3, so Fisk isn’t fresh out of prison, as seen in Hawkeye and Echo (I didn’t finish it). But this is Vanessa’s first reappearance since Daredevil 👀 The story goes that the original script for the show apparently had Foggy and Karen die before the show started and had Matt go through a depressive/vengeful arc with a new cast of characters. That idea was leaked and the show allegedly went through extensive rewrites to include the original trio due to the fan outrage, though it may have just been general rewrites. But it definitely feels like that may have been the case, you can kind of see where the two ideas are meshed together. Foggy dying early on, Karen not having a huge role, Matt having a bunch of new friends from his firm, etc I’m enjoying the show so far, and it’s great to see the characters again, but I think it would’ve benefited from being a binge like the original show used 😅 excited to see where it goes tho, feels like it’s definitely kicking up and I’d watch these characters regardless x

Daniel McGuinness

Yeah no one needs to watch Echo, ever

Oliver

Yeah, but when the entire point of 2/3 seasons of the original show was putting him into prison and keeping him there, they REALLY need to explain how he's out. Ngl this season felt pretty disrespectful to the original series. I know it's different, but it lowkey feels like they're using the actors and characters to get the fans back, while not actually giving a single crap about the original setoes

Oliver

9 years since DD S3. I'm pretty sure Fisk got out of prison during the blip/snap. I forgot how he became a free man, if there is even a reason. Maybe corrupted officials survived and got him free. Boom, he shows up in Hawkeye, gets shot in the eye, and got a bionic eye in Echo. And now he's here.

Arts of TM

Nat cool that you are watching f this but have you considered starting Andor before the second season. It is Star Wars but different.

David Gamez

Its been like 9 years including the blip, plenty of time for someone like kingpin to get out of prison.

jamie jones

which cut of Donnie Darko are you going to be watching?

djKENTO

Thank GAWD you remembered Hawkeye, Nat. I was gonna light ya up in the comments. 😁

Keith Jacobsen

She did reaction on Hawkeye. The problem is with the writing.

Chen

You are not the only one. How Fisk got out of prison hasn't been addressed in either Hawkeye, Echo or in this show so far. Hopefully someday.

Navjot Singh

It's not your fault that you're confused. Marvel's grasp on their own continuity these days can only be described as schizophrenic.

Cameron

this is what I like to see, nat pushing out episodes!!! feels nice lol

romeo

Just watch a YouTube recap of "Hawkeye" and "Echo" and you'll be good.

Rochard Scott

Just needs a recap.

Mastervodo

She some recollection and she said she's gonna look some old stuff of hers to remember more.

Chris Henderson

Don’t have to be rude about it.

Jason Gillman

Thank Magneto we didn't have to remind her about Hawkeye lol.

Chris Henderson

You need to watch echo aswell, has some plot points that tie into Fisk's motivations for this season.

Jayden Coulter

"Then they redid the episodes retaining some footage shot and shooting new material" " but the episodes were redone" It's one or the other. Can't be both. It's apparent to anyone who pays attention that the old material and new scenes have differences in writing and tone. And they haven't been stitched together as well as they should have. Just because you haven't seen differing opinions doesn't mean they don't exist. And I never said the show is bad, I'm loving it so far.

Andy

She watched Hawkeye years back but obviously it's been so long she may not recall.

Boomcity

She saw hawkeye, just not echo.

jamie jones

You’re literally the only person ive heard say that. The season has been universally acclaimed so far. Especially the first episode. They retooled the show because marvel was unhappy with it. Then they redid the episodes retaining some footage shot and shooting new material. Due to union rules the original writers and directors get credit, but the episodes were redone, not just simply cobbled together.

jamie jones

Also wish Nat could have watched a recap of Daredevil and Kingpin in She Hulk and Echo. In case she's interested. https://youtu.be/XfGqvb75QPQ

Boomcity

There was some stuff that happened with Wilson Fisk in the Hawkeye and Echo series. If you're not worried about being spoiled for those shows you can probably find a video on YouTube about what happened between Season 3 of the Netflix series and this one.

Shaun Bloom

You should watch Echo for what happens between season 3 and born again.

SilentBobFather

Foggy dying was originally to be offscreen and by some cop or something, and Karen wasn't going to be in this. After they got some backlash (and a certain actor was not happy with the direction of his role), they did extensive reshoots and added Foggy & Karen again. You'll see in the next few episodes. It definitely looks cobbled together in many places. But somehow this is worse? Foggy's death is very rushed. Bit disappointing actually.

Andy

Aww man. still no Severance... guess I'll catch up some work this week.

Jimathai

I'm sure it will be worth the wait. I just watched the first episode last night and am stoked for her reaction.

Boomcity

.......................................Can't watch ep 1 without 2....there's a reason they came out together.............sigh; guess I'll have to watch this tomorrow.............

Diiirk706

Cry me a river, the whole point of speed running season 3 was to do born again.

jamie jones

Dang, I was hoping Severance would start today. Just as the 2nd season ended. I guess gotta wait for another week then.

AlimarM

Daredevil and Severance? This is going to be a good couple of weeks coming up!

Boomcity

Happy Marvel Monday Nat. Hope you had an awesome weekend too. Enjoyed catching up with you in the livestreams 😊 Haven't started watching this new show, so I'm looking forward to watching along with you this week. "Make Hell's Kitchen Great Again!" I can see the parallels. I'm interested to see how it's all going to play out between these two. Quite a shocking opening for sure. Hopefully the rest of the season will have more unpredictable moments like that. Thanks for your reaction today Nat 💛

Darryl Low

Not gonna lie it’s very disappointing that it’s just Daredevil this week when you just did a whole season of Daredevil.

Jason Gillman

Gotta love that opening scene. And when the body fell off the roof and karen didnt wanna look cause she thought it might be matt, acting was on point.

jamie jones


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