EARLY ACCESS Kizumonogatari Movie 1 Reaction

@Kopplex yeah, kizu should be after bake if you’re reading the novel, watching the anime is a matter of personal choice. For me kizu should be watched whenever you want to as long as you read the novel first. In my opinion the movie was a bad adaptation, and it’s worth is in showing the scenes you’ve read animated. As a stand alone animation I think it is very weak, and should be watched last.

Felipe

there are reasons that Shaft released it in this order... and they have nothing to do with better storytelling... the reasons were production issues

Mr Rys

I'd argue that watching Kizu in release order ruins some scenes in every season after Bake... they refer to characters and events from Kizu later on, it's not mysterious flashbacks like in Bake, it's direct references and sometimes straight up spoilers for Kizu... it's like if you watch in release order and watch Kizu you have to go like "Oh, this is what they were talking about, oh this is the character they mentioned back then, oh this is why this character said this/acted this way back then" and when you watch in LN order you have the progression in the correct order, yes you know what Shinobu is talking about in Nisemonogatari or later seasons, but it has bigger impact because of it, because it's her character developing from Kizu

Mr Rys

This is literally the order the scenes were written in. This is the order it's intended.

KyleUmbra

@Kopplex I wasn’t talking to you, but go off sis

DrWomanRespecter

+Kopplex yes, and I agree, watching Kizu now will "ruin" some scenes down the line. But the meaning of "ruin" here is not "to make them objectively worse", but to "significantly alter the experience and lessen the impact to some extent".

Minashiro Soushi

+JapaneseShamanGirl I'm not saying it's "bad" or "wrong", but it is "different". My personal opinion after watching 2 movies? Kizu is not core "monogatari" experience and can be dropped entirely as it has little to no merit for the rest of the series. But for bros I'm actually glad they are doing it this way, as speculations tend to go really wild with lack of context.

Minashiro Soushi

+JapaneseShamanGirl Was there a point where I said that it's bad to experience it in a different way? nope. What is bad is trying to convince people that your order is the correct & unique one in which the story should be consumed and if not consumed in that said order "it'll ruin that scene and this scene", that's like plain insulting to the author.

Kopplex

+Minashiro Soushi Look at the "arguments" most people are using here -> "watching Kizu before Nise will ruin X or Y scene" saying that is like saying that the author intentionally wrote his story in a wrong order, which doesn't make any sense, so yes Author's intent IS relevant.

Kopplex

I disagree. I just watched Kizu -> Nise -> Neko last week, for the first time. And for me watching Kizu was what made that scene in Nise much more significant. Knowing what happened between them made the scene in Nise, where they start a reconciliation, much more meaningful. I understand that it would be a different experience if you watched Kizu later, with that scene in Nise being more mysterious and a surprise, and one could argue on which of the two experiences would be better or why, but didn’t think any of the two would be screwing with that scene.

Tiago Guimarães

You not liking how the films look has literally nothing to do with the watch order, nor the topic of this discussion. A situation having context doesn’t mean it will “fall flat”.

DrWomanRespecter

Right? It’s kinda annoying, but I’ll let it slide

DrWomanRespecter

And what’s the problem with that? Experiencing something different isn’t bad whatsoever.

DrWomanRespecter

> better than the original author This is incorrect. People are upset that the Bros won't get the same experience as THEM. Author's intent is irrelevant.

Minashiro Soushi

I'm amazed by how many people think they know in which order people are supposed to experience this story better than the original author lmao "oh no watching this will ruin that scene and this scene and blabla" No it won't. This was written right after Bake, the author want people to experience this right after Bake, LIKE IT OR NOT this is the original order in which the author wrote the story and in which he wanted people to consume it. It's not because YOU watched it in a wrong order that all people need to do the same thing.

Kopplex

im watching nisemonogatari right now, this order completly screw shinobus and araragi bathtub scene.

Alexander

Oh, looks like I managed to completely miss Kizu, so this is going to be my first time watching it, fun times. After part one there's on thing I want to ask. Am I the only one, who hates how Caleb immediately goes to "POWERS!" every time? The most jarring one being the baby crying in first Shinobu encounter?

Minashiro Soushi

I completely understand and it is fine to watch the show in this order, it just wont be the same amount of character build up for Shinobu or other characters as it is in the air date order. I also just don't like the way the kizumonogatari films looked.

Christian

Yeah. Since I wanted to get into monogatari this has pretty much been the order I’ve always heard as the best from the people I trust who love monogatari. Plus going in the order the books were written can’t really be a bad thing even if it’s different to the order many experienced with the broadcast

Craig Starbird

its funny. Everyone I asked said this order.

WormySenpai

It’s more sad that you’re not willing to give this completely valid watch order a try. Like honestly, there are far worse ones

DrWomanRespecter

As someone who watched the show in the order as it was aired, it is just weird to watch it out of order like this, considering I had no problems putting all the story together and you will have none of the story building like it did as the air date order then the supposed chronological order. I just lost a huge amount of interest now that they are watching it in this order.

Christian

To each their own I guess. I think it makes it the weakest part of the series.

RK

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warui warui

No. Kizumonogatari was intended to be released in 2012, but it was pushed back. I watched it the broadcast order, but watching Kizu after Bake is not bad, in fact, it's a very good alternative.

ZUKO

As someone who has watched the series as it was airing, I do prefer the broadcast order over the Nisio Isin order (the order the bros are using and the order author intended the series to be), but at the same time I believe for people who have yet to watch the series, they should watch it in the Nisio Isin order. The broadcast order was one of those "you had to be watching it during that time" which really amplified all that build up with Araragis and Shinobus relationship for us. I feel the effect isnt the same for someone binging the series or even watching it on a weekly basis like the bros are doing.

Did you ignore the part where it has the narration in the Kizu books and are much better for it. As would the movie be. You can assert your own opinion on it, but it is a bad adaptation compared to the TV show, which is more faithful. There is very much sense in viewers getting to see a better(more of it) story.

Disappointed that the SOS bros did not recognize the most famous morse code ever: SOS :p

Sasane Sane

The lack of the narration makes for the best atmosphere and most compelling cinematic storytelling in the series.

Mithroll

Very good, Lintahlo!

Math0r

I watched in broadcast order the first time and was hopelessly confused, forgot character's motives/history, and just didn't make the timeline connections necessary to understand or appreciate what the hell was going on. Compared that to when I watched in chronological order where basically every single one of those issues was gone for the betterment of my entertainment and understanding.

Zeemod

I'm sceptical about this order as well, since I personally didn't experience the story like this. However saying that Shaft intended them to be watched later on just isn't true as well. These movies got delayed so many years it was ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with watching them now even if I personally wouldn't recommend it since I think seeing this "legendary untold adventure about how Araragi became a Vampire" later on has much more impact and gives scenes with all the characters that appear in this movie much more weight. A huge example is Oshino... seeing Oshino again after so many years of not seeing him in the series and finally finding out just how much of a badass he is and what exactly his role as a specialist is feels so rewarding and awesome. Since they just finished Bake however this is completely lost on them since he literally just left in the last episode they saw.

SmilePlease

Refer to my comment

DrWomanRespecter

I can already feel the "omg why do Kizu now stick to airing order" comments coming. Here's the deal: 1. You can literally watch Kizu at ANY point after Bake, the airing order is just one of many ways of going about this. 2. It's their channel, they can do whatever they want. 3. Sure watching Kizu early removes some of the intrigue of Araragi and Shinobu's relationship, however it adds context to scenes in the future, which would help the bros out greatly. 4. It's been said before, and I'll say it again, this was the intended order of release. In most cases, I am an advocate of sticking to the airing order for a variety of non-linear shows, but for this one, this is acceptable. It won't ruin their experience, nor will it lower their thoughts on the show. So before you complain, I'll just say this, stop.

DrWomanRespecter

That's very much intentional though. The missing narration, I mean. This is a story that Araragi swears he will never retell so what we are seeing is for once happening in the present (from a storytelling perspective). We don't get to look into Araragi's head all the time and there is no sense that Araragi is retelling this story in the future to someone else. I really love how different the movies are from the series and I love both for their own reasons.

SmilePlease

The movies are irregular to begin with. They don't have Araragi self narration like the TV show(and the Kizu books do). I think they're just a plain bad adaptation compared to the TV series, and the first minutes of Bakemonogatari first episode do a better job showcasing the events. I'm still waiting for them to release a special version with all the quiet time filled in with Araragis narration or someone makes an edit for that out of audiobooks.

Why... Just why? Theres a reason that shaft made them in the order they did you know. Its so much more effective to have them get used to current Shinobu and THEN introduce them to Kiss-Shot. Now it'll just feel weird...

Irimu