Ted's Juvenile Record?
Added 2021-07-16 04:46:09 +0000 UTCExcerpts from Keppel's Notes; Dec. 11, 1975
0840 hrs:
Anonymous Caller Tip:
Ted was arrested as a juvenile in Pierce County (burglary). Expunged, but [arrest?] card still exists. The man who arrested him still works there- [Remann] Hall, Juvenile Dept.
Will be back up if he (?) has three weeks clear.
0850 hrs:
Called Detective Collins at Tacoma Police Dept. He will check on Bundy’s juvenile record.
1015 hrs:
Detective Collins called back. No juvenile record for Bundy was located.
[edited for clarity. Courtesy KCA]
Comments
It’s almost like Rule read this tip and then ignored the follow up. Or missed it.
Tiffany J.
2021-07-18 15:18:45 +0000 UTCI think Rule made a lot of assumptions that have since become facts. I think his crimes have become legendary insofar that instead of printing the fact, they go with the legend.
Melanie Englert
2021-07-18 00:13:11 +0000 UTCAfter doing some more digging, I realized that "Raymond Hall" isn't the name of a person. Rather, Remann Hall is the name of the juvenile detention/foster care facility in Tacoma. It's still operating today.
Tiffany J.
2021-07-17 20:00:24 +0000 UTCJust heard back from the law librarian- prior to 1977 there was no method for sealing or expunging juvenile records. After 1977 a juvenile would have to wait until age 23, then file a motion in court to have his record destroyed. As the search took place in 1975, there’s no reason why his record would have been expunged. Ann Rule was wrong.
Tiffany J.
2021-07-17 00:17:47 +0000 UTCI just submitted a research request to the Washington State law library, I'll let you know what they say! From my own research so far, it looks like there were no specific rules on handling juvenile records in Washington before 1977. In 1977, there was a law put in place that said: "A person who has been the subject of an information alleging a juvenile offense may, five years after reaching the age of majority, file a motion requesting the destruction of all records pertaining to his or her case. If the court grants the motion, copies of the order shall be sent to all offices or agencies that are repositories of such records and all such offices and agencies shall comply with the order." https://leg.wa.gov/CodeReviser/documents/sessionlaw/1977ex1c291.pdf?cite=1977%20ex.s.%20c%20291%20%C2%A7%2078 So it wouldn't have been automatically expunged prior to 1977, and after 1977 he would have needed a court order. Keppel's research occurred in 1975.
Tiffany J.
2021-07-16 18:31:15 +0000 UTCAnn Rule is the only one I've read who has stated this as factual. I remember in another news article I read, it said he had been questioned about a potential burglary, but never arrested. So far this is literally the only original reference I've seen to this in all of my research...
Tiffany J.
2021-07-16 18:18:30 +0000 UTCIt's unlikely. This is what I found: "Until 2015, juvenile court records in Washington were public by default. Most were eligible for sealing, but that could be a daunting and expensive process. A person seeking to seal a record had to petition the court after a waiting period, appear at a hearing, and pay outstanding court-imposed fines and fees, such as attorneys’ fees or restitution. But once a record was sealed, all agencies with access to it removed from their databases nearly all the information relating to a charge, arrest, judgment, or diversion. Only a court order could unseal it." https://theappeal.org/washington-juvenile-records-sealed-reappear/
Tiffany J.
2021-07-16 18:17:51 +0000 UTCThere are references to a possible Ted Juvie record in some of the books forget which ones
Joseph DeStefano
2021-07-16 11:45:20 +0000 UTCSo is it possible there was a record but it was expunged?
Jennifer Elliott
2021-07-16 11:31:13 +0000 UTC
