What kind of cuckold story do we have here?

Why do people need to get over the beating? Devlin is a villain! How much clearer can the text be?

Glaucon

I just want to give voice to the other side of this - the unfairness of it all is the point, and frankly I hope we see the bullying going farther. It's not like KT hasn't done something similar in the past - in Size Curious Brat, Moric broke Matt's arm.

Glaucon

Yes, I agree though it would have to be subtly done. Don’t mean this in cartoon fashion but It might be fun to see Kimmy embrace the realization that she is the villainess - not the heroine. On that story path, Kimmy isn’t Josh’s protector, she is Devlin’s acolyte. She’s going to help Devlin bully him. Even if she only does it by lying to his face about the affair, needling him about the possibility, and then making him feel guilty because it’s all in his head. That actually happens in real life. “How could you accuse me of such a thing when I love you so much?”

CSH

Well I get off on the corruption of innocents probably most in these stories. By innocents I don't mean virginity necessarily(but that can be one aspect). It's the violation or corruption of something special. KT is doing a great job on corrupting Kimmy in increments. This is what is driving most of us crazy with anticipation. Phase one reunion Devlin's kiss and dry hump(was there any penetration then I forgot) Phase two is the violation of their home and Kimmy gets finger banged to orgasm. Phase three is Kimmy's first stretching. By the time of the dock incident Kimmy is starting to seek Devlin actively. Corruption is almost at 80% by this point and she can see no reason to stop. The next phases she'll be going all the way with Devlin. Will she use condom or not? Doubt Kimmy will be able to take all of Devlin Monday but with practice it will get easier for her. I envision late Monday night Kimmy coming home, Josh is asleep/passed out. She quietly slips into the bathroom to prep for bed. She would have cleaned up at the hotel but she will be sore and it may sting when she evacuates her bladder. What she couldn't remove was Devlin's swimmers in her uterus those would remain for 3-4 days(corruption). There maybe some residual wetness left over from her arousal. Kimmy, will slide into bed with Josh. She'll have some guilt but will quickly fall into a deep fatigue induced sleep. Kimmy's corruption is more or less complete! One thing that is not clear is whether Kimmy and Josh lost their virginity to each other? I may have missed this. Now that we know that they spent time apart when Kimmy went to law school, there maybe some unknown history there.

RCH

Agreed, it seems like Josh is going to need concrete evidence to convince himself she is cheating.

Chinookfan72

I'm drawn to Kimmy's need for Devlin and depravity. It's evil but it spikes something in me that I havent felt with any other story. I savor every step she takes toward needing Devlin. I want her to not only accept Devlin's taunting of Josh but actually join in. Maybe a little sneaky teasing of Josh to show her acceptance to Devlin and how they are humiliating her husband - but never telling him what shes really doing. Devlin can be a little more blatant b/c Josh cant quite believe him anyway. On the other hand, I would love Josh to finally get confirmation and put it all together. And find a nicer girl just make a happy ending...for him. Kimmy would have to deal with her actions and losing a great guy. Is that BTB? Hope not. Seems fitting.

Wess

Well I'll try to look at thing a little more on the lighter side. I could see how Devlin revealing what is going on with Josh continuing denial could make for some angsty encounters. Josh, try to ignore Devlin's taunts but also face with physical evidence in various forms. All the with suffering with the confusion of why he's sexual drive has gone into hyper-drive. Can't wait to see the next book/chapter...

RCH

I see it the same. Cobra commander or Agent of Cobra, it's the same evil! (age check!)

BNR

I agree it was a violent act but whether or not it is appropriate really depends on the author's intentions in defining the relationship between Devlin and Josh. Despite the fact that Devlin didn't deliver the blow physically, his agent did or, if he didn't explicitly direct his agent, he certainly was the ultimate generator the act and is thus equally culpable. To me that defines Devlin as not just a bully but a sadistic one. From that first scene in the tent 'till now, nothing that has taken place has made me modify that conclusion. If this was the intention of including the punch, then KT has succeeded. Devlin has a big 10 gallon black hat.

TF

In the end I’m okay with however KT resolves it. I would just point out btw that Devlin already told Josh and Josh rationalized it away. Absent concrete evidence like a photo why wouldn’t Josh do the same thing again? He doesn’t want to believe it even though he already suspects its true.

CSH

Also Johnny is a true psycho so I’m guessing deep down Devlin is just afraid of him as everyone else (he’s older and obviously not afraid of a fight), so Devlin keeps him as a friend because psycho’s make better friends than enemies.. Not sure if this is true, but it’s something I can rationalize and get over the beating and keep the heat of the story.

Chinookfan72

Agreed, don't want to repeat everything I already replied above to RCH directly but... "These thoughts are plaguing my enjoyment of the upcoming "sexy time" as well..."

BNR

I have to second your (RCH's) emotions on the SEVER BEATING Josh got for the sake of a few laughs by Devlin and his crew. While not the instrument of violence, Devlin is still party to the violence and clearly not losing sleep over it also... But I also lose SERIOUS respect for Kimmy because she seems to get off even more on the fact that she will be bouncing up an down on the cock that taunted, tormented and warped the very direction of her husbands life, for the better or more likely the worse. She squeezed out a bit more juice to that image in her mind's eye! These thoughts are plaguing my enjoyment of the upcoming "sexy time" as well...

BNR

Agreed! No matter what the true outcome that develops, half of the people are going to get their dreams crushed or guts ripped out!

BNR

I don’t feel as strongly, but I certainly get where you are coming from. The reason I don’t feel as strongly in this case is that Devlin was also a child when the beating occurred, and I’m more forgiving of acts committed by children than adults. Secondly, Devlin didn’t participate in the beating, he only did the “fat guy in the little coat routine” and then laughed at Josh as he was lying there.. When I read this fight it comes off to me to be more like the scene in “A Christmas Story” but in reverse. Finally, this is fiction so I am willing to extend my parameters as far as what is acceptable behavior.

Chinookfan72

I voted for Devlin to tell Josh, everything. It's fitting with Devlin being the bully. It's also fitting for a LHW story. It's also the option with the most options for KT. Josh can: 1. Keep it to himself and spring a divorce on Kimmy; 2. Keep it to himself and allow Kimmy her fun; 3. Tell Kimmy and divorce her; 4. Tell Kimmy and be in on the fun; 5. Tell Kimmy and be a cuckold; or 6. Tell Kimmy and not want to know. There may be more options, but you get the drift. RCH makes a great point about bullying and tolerable while keeping the story sexy. Josh being bullied and beaten like he was is insane. It's also insane for Kimmy to continue on with Devlin knowing how badly her husband, the man she supposedly loves was treated. In real life, I would pray Josh would beat feat for the best divorce lawyer he could find and lay Kimmy to waste. But this is fiction. All options on the table.

DavidnDaria

I mean I get why bully's exist, we'll learn more about why Devlin is who is in the story, I guess is what I'm saying.

JamesIsAsleep

I voted to keep him in the dark. That being said I would also like a slow reveal as Josh puts more together. At the same time perhaps he goes along because him and Kimmy are having fantastic sex? What I am having a real problem with is the description of the beating that Josh endured. KT this was just too over the top brutal. It's a wonder Josh wasn't killed or hospitalized. That is why I have been trying to see a path where there is retribution for Josh from Devlin. Even if this was a BDSM story I would have problems with the beating of Josh. It's been eating on me. I couldn't stomach any more taunting from Devlin because it's based on such abusive history. While this isn't traditional child abusive it leaves me with the same distaste. I really hate to be so critical here of KT. Example: Reza, Jonny deserves most of what he is going through he lie and defrauded people so he is paying for it, additionally he's an adult that made bad choices. I'd like to see Jonny endure some additional suffering both mental and physical at the hands of Reza. Josh was a poor "CHILD" victim there is no way additional taunting is tolerable and make this story sexy or erotic. A sincere apology from Devlin could do it, but I don't see that coming from him. Unless there is a final scene where Josh feeds a still living Devlin his dick or brains(Hannibal Lector style). KT if you manage to work this out I will be truly impressed! Again I'm one person with an opinion. Does anyone else feel this strongly about this one point?

RCH

I think if this were the real world Kimmy would only be informing Josh if she knew he’d be okay with it. Otherwise, a secret affair is the most realistic to me. She doesn’t want to end the marriage so why risk it by telling Josh?

Chinookfan72

I voted this way too, mostly because it’s consistent with the original story idea and I really liked the idea. You can’t have humiliation without Devlin or Kimmy telling Josh what’s going on, and right now Kimmy isn’t in the right headspace to be the one telling Josh. Although, I hope this changes once Kimmy has come to terms with Devlin being a recurring thing and she finds out Devlin has been telling Josh stuff and instead of causing issues it’s getting him off. Where I differ from some is that Kimmy taking the reigns on humiliation isn’t out of a place of love, but out of anger. Anger at Josh for not saying something and stoping it, or at least letting her know he’s into that stuff so she wouldn’t have had to beat herself up as much. However, this would have to be way later in the story so for now I’d like Devlin to tell Josh. personally I think Josh and Devlin need to have a face to face (perhaps Devlin goes to Josh’s office) and Devlin can lay it out for Josh wether to be included or not and ultimately Josh picks to know.

Chinookfan72

Cobra1000

Wow, we are really split on this, I fucking love that.

JamesIsAsleep

I can see Kimmy as a puzzle piece for Devlin's own laughs, and I can see him being persuaded by Kimmy's charms and skills as his associate.

JamesIsAsleep

Yeah this works for me as well...Kimmy figuring out it turns Josh on and therefore playing into it without actually telling him it's all true would be great. I also wonder exactly what Devlin's game is...I don't get the sense he actually wants to steal Kimmy from Josh, or even to humiliate him for humiliation's sake...I go back to what he said to Josh...I'm giving you what you asked for. This would then play directly to Devlin doing something like what we're talking about, where he teases he's involved with Kimmy without ever confirming he really is. Because he realizes Josh actually knowing might truly end his marriage.

JL23

I still think there's no indication that Devlin will fall for Kimmy. He's probably done this whole song and dance dozens of times. He's open about just wanting to fuck her. If anything, he's brazenly dismissive about Kimmy's marriage and imo more likely to break them up purely for a laugh.

Glaucon

Lol about your Double AA's idea.

JamesIsAsleep

After considering this I think the hottest scenario is that Josh keeps getting clue after clue maybe even confronting Kimmy. She should completely deny it even while getting increasingly brazen in openly teasing him about the possibility. Especially after she knows it excites him. Devlin could do something similar. Maybe humiliating things like leaving AA batteries on Kimmy’s desk for Josh to see. In effect Josh could “know” that it’s happening but never accept it because it would mean losing Kimmy. I think Devlin would likely only tell Josh if he decides to break up their marriage because he has fallen for Kimmy.

CSH

Devlin does that shit because he enjoys hurting people that can't fight back and getting reactions out of them, it makes him feel powerful. It's all lizard brain.

Glaucon

I voted the same way. Given the story thus far I don't see keeping Josh in the dark as a viable option. And, yes, let him remain the lie-ee for now, perhaps Devlin sends him ambiguous pictures that might be Kimmy or not. Finally, Kimmy would have to change a lot from how I have her pegged at the moment for the third choice...would be forcing things in my opinion.

TF

I love the idea of Josh never really finding out, just having suspicion. It would be a different take on the cuckold genre. Maybe Devlin hints at things, but never enough to confirm, it actually continues to improve Kimmy and Josh's sex life, which it seems to be doing, but Josh never knows for sure. Just him figuring it out completely and going to the traditional cuckold relationship where he knows is not as interesting to me. I kind of have an idea where I'd end a story where Josh never confirms it but I won't give it away.

JL23

Personally, I think the bully angle is not appealing. The text messages are weird, Devlin - "Hey, guy that I dont really need to talk to because I'm doing what I want without needing to text you like I'm doing, I'm just letting you know I'm doing the thing that I want to do, so haha, go fuck yourself," it's just weird to me, as you can tell by my characterization. However, since we are in the place we are now, it's probably for a reason and makes sense to persist as is. But as I mentioned above, it might be possible to keep Josh from ever seeing them together sexually or knowing if it really ever happened, but still have Devlin keeping Josh in the loop of Kimmy and his proclivities. That's kind of a mix of in the dark and Devlin letting Josh know, I guess.

JamesIsAsleep

I relate to this reaction, I said I want Josh to be in the dark, because I like a good cheating story, but accomplishing it will require a bit of divergence from a reality I know. At least how I'm imagining that kind of story playing out.

JamesIsAsleep

I find it difficult to imagine within this story myself, maybe theres room for a change of heart where Devlin enjoys Kimmy's company so much he forgets about messing with Josh. He has kind of done that recently, but I agree I dont really see it. Maybe he can still fuck with Josh but constantly keep ahead of him in terms of actually getting caught, so it stays a hypothetical fear. I dont know how Kimmy fits into that, but shes pretty good at masking her emotion. So good to the point of keeping her tracks covered as Josh goes insane knowing the truth but not really knowing. I think theres a way of Devlin letting Josh know, but keeping Josh from ever REALLY knowing. I dont know if its feasible though realisitcally. Edit: I see Donk has a similar take

JamesIsAsleep

I don't want Josh to "do the math" and figure it out on his own. If he knows I want there to be evidence that he is either sent from someone or finds because Kimmy isn't in the CIA & can't hide everything she does. (Like a fetus!) Either Devlin or someone else who knows the whole truth of Kimmy and Devlin, like Amy could also bare the good/bad news... (I kind of want Amy to be the "black hand" behind the whole Kimmy & Devlin thing!)

BNR

Agreed, Glaucon. However, I want Josh to keep investigating and doubting, mostly finding out on his own eventually. He should remain the "lie-ee" for the time being.

Donkatsu

I think it's hard. I don't want Josh entirely in the dark. I like home piecing things together. And I like the idea of Devlin taunting him. So I guess my real vote would be for Kimmy in the dark. Not knowing Josh knows and neither of them able to communicate directly about it.

ExiledSage

I voted for option 3, but I would start with option 2 and get later into option 3. Maybe even let Josh find out by himself first, with following Kimmy and discovering the truth.

DavidSilver

cheating isn't cheating if everyone is in on it.

Grrrbah

I want Josh in the dark, but if you have to tell him, I'd rather that at least Kimmy still THINKS he's in the dark.

Grrrbah

I voted Devlin tells Josh – I think Kimmy is motivated to preserve her marriage and is desperate for Josh not to find out (and I’d be very interested to see a long-form KT story where the husband is not on side with the ongoing infidelity). Likewise, based on what we know of Devlin, I don’t think he could resist rubbing it in to poor Josh, especially once there’s nothing Josh can do about it. It’s clear that he revels in power over others, the more power he has the less he has to wear a mask about it.

Glaucon