【讀者分享 🇺🇸】 Charlie Kirk之死：他是我們時代的耶穌
Added 2025-09-15 23:01:06 +0000 UTC【按：這位讀者分享對Charlie Kirk被槍殺的觀感，希望和大家分析為甚麼支持他的人會充滿熱情和激動。希望不同意見的朋友都可以理解對方觀點，這也是這個平台的最大宗旨。】
Why on this day, the 24th year since 9/11, one day before today, Charlie Kirk was murdered by a sniper with cold blooded a shot? I didn’t know him too much, but heard his name for so long, until I watched his debate with Oxford/Cambridge union.
He is gentle, polite, patient but sharp. He has strong christian faith, strongly was against abortion, against absurd gender ideology, strongly against Hamas and Pro- Palestine agenda. He is not powerful, did not have education from elite universities, but he has common sense, he loves family and children. Through one after another one debate, he is calling more and more young people to be back to common sense, christian faith, patriotism.. took them aways from wokeism, socialism…
I did not know I was so deeply disturbing when I heard the news he was shot.. then asked my friends to pray for him heavily. When i heard the news he was dead, I cried, I could not sleep well. When I review his debate with all those college students, the more I watched, the sadness from my heart are heavier.
He is a devout christian, and he is indeed living in christian spirits. He is like Jesus Christ to spread the gospels.... to ask the people back first to common sense, then back to God’s side. He is doing a mission impossible to save America. He is so young, he died the similar age when Jesus Christ was crucified.
He is not as famous as Democrat senators who was killed, but his death means much more to our civilisation, cause what he has done. The more I am reviewing his debates, the more outrageous and shocking of the degree that western civilisation has corrupted.
His death is crystal clear a political assassin, for whatever reasons. As Douglas Murray said, it is not right or wrong, it is evil. The assassination is like what happened many times to a dictator killed the different voices, no matter how soft, how polite they sounds.
DEI, Wokeism are all of evilness, under cover are exactly the essence of socialism or communism. To the people who believe the ideology, they are basically afraid of any debate, to claim its legitimacy or righteouness, no way to resort to but blood.
Why so many people cried for him, cause Charlie is a martyr .. His death called for Holy Spirit. He was killed for his bold speech, and his strong faith of God.
Dear father, from English patient.. to Charlie Kirk, who can save the collapse of our civilisation? Who can ?
Comments
睇yt好多對Jimmy Kimmel一事留言，啲你地之前cancel人而調轉，早前不作孽,何來今日之報。咁多人都分唔清個分別？ 「民間 cancel」vs「政府 cancel」 早年：網民、廣告商、平台或僱主；屬於私人決定。 現今：行政機關（FCC）＋總統點名施壓；屬於「國家行為者」。 → 法理上，第一修正案只限束公權力，對私人機構並無同等限制。政府一出手，性質即時變質。 事件退一步去到ABC炒人都只係去到私人決定層面。咁如果你邏輯係支持私人商業決定嘅cancel culture，咁兩邊意識形態嘅都應該支持。而現今係上升到政府層面喎，仲點係同等嘅比較？
Samson
2025-09-20 21:45:21 +0000 UTC會嘗試找機會討論一下辯論技巧 🙏
堅離地書院 College
2025-09-20 07:42:08 +0000 UTC其實Kirk每場辯論都可以攞嚟研究雙方嘅辯論技巧 https://youtu.be/RzGg8Ufvi-M?si=gIA_GiBtxinAt6dW 論題係 Student Why don’t you also support things like free lunches for kids? The Bible, over 2,000 times, mentions helping the needy at every instance. Charlie Can you show me a specific verse where it says, “Make sure you pay a bunch of money to the government in taxes to help the needy”? 有ChatGPT 整理內容，分析邏輯及數據運用是否正確係好客觀。 支持政府供餐（學生） 聖經要求濟貧 → 用最有規模與覆蓋嘅工具（政府）去做。 法律與制度能標準化每日供餐，教會無立法權難以保證覆蓋。 家長可能自身匱乏；政府介入更能即時、廣泛滿足需求。 反對政府供餐（講者） 憲法角色界定：聯邦權限不含「供餐」，不應用國家權力做慈善。 教會／私人慈善更有效：面對面、關係導向、可改善飲食質素。 副作用：政府轉移支付可能鼓勵不健康消費與依賴；應回歸父母責任與社群支援。 邏輯與論證評析 一致性挑戰（學生）：若在其他道德議題（墮胎／同志婚姻）可接受政府按宗教價值立法，為何在濟貧（聖經頻提）卻拒絕政府角色？——呢個係針對標準一致性嘅質疑。 角色劃界（講者）：以憲法原旨界定職能，將濟貧歸類為社會／教會範疇，非國家；係一個制度層面（而非經文層面）嘅回應。 數據用法： 兒童肥胖率：美國 12–19 歲肥胖約 22%（2017–2020），並非「一半」。講者可能將「過重＋肥胖」混為一談。 食物不安全（Food Insecurity）：2023 年約 4,700 萬人（約 14.3%）住在食物不安全家庭，近 1,400 萬為兒童（約 19.2% 住在食物不安全家庭）。同年 ERS 亦拆分：有兒童的家庭中，8.9% 出現兒童食物不安全。 SNAP（俗稱 food stamps）開支：2023 財年約 $112.8B。講者一句「over a trillion dollars goes to food stamps and SNAP and Medicaid」存在語義問題：SNAP 就係 food stamps；而且把**醫療補助 Medicaid（$871.7B）**都計入「餵人食」嘅範疇並不恰當。兩者相加約 $985B，未到 1 兆，更何況性質完全不同。 學校午餐覆蓋：2022–23 學年，平均每日約 2,810 萬學生參與國家學校午餐計劃（其中約 1,970 萬為免費／減價午餐）；2023–24 年度進一步上升。呢點可反駁「身邊無人食過免費午餐」嘅以偏概全。 學生有關一致性挑戰：若在其他道德議題（墮胎／同志婚姻）可接受政府按宗教價值立法，為何在濟貧（聖經頻提）卻拒絕政府角色？——呢個係針對標準一致性嘅質疑。 Kirk未完全反駁到。講者主要用「憲政角色」去改寫問題框架，而唔係正面處理「宗教價值何時可入法、何時不可」嘅一致性挑戰；因此只能算部分化解，但未建立一條可普遍適用嘅決策準則。 點解話未成功？ 1. 轉場而非作答 學生問：既然你在（墮胎／同志婚姻）接受宗教價值入法，點解濟貧唔得？ 講者答：聯邦憲法無寫供餐，濟貧應由教會與父母。——呢個係由神學一致性 → 轉到憲政分工，等於換題。 2. 無交代「何時可用宗教立場立法」嘅通用原則 例如： 是否以負面權利（禁傷害）可立法、正面德行（行善）不強制為原則？ 是否以嚴重公共外部性／不可逆傷害為介入門檻？ 佢無講清楚，導致墮胎可以、濟貧唔可以嘅分界只見結論、不見準則。 3. 證成不足 佢話「聖經無要求用國家去行慈善」只係斷言；學生提「聖經頻提濟貧」嘅規範力度同「工具選擇（政府 vs 教會）」嘅關係，講者未做神學層面嘅界定（例如德行 vs 正義、個人／教會／國家三重義務）。 4. 負擔轉移 追問「有無經文叫你交稅幫窮人？」係將討論收窄到文本證據，但學生原問係政策一致性，唔係純經文考據；屬換焦點。 最多只能算「部分化解」嘅位 佢有兩招係有助降溫但唔足夠： (a) 指出自己談墮胎時未引用聖經（企圖否定「你一向用宗教治國」嘅前提）； (b) 以聯邦列舉權力界線做總原則。 但學生追問嘅係「你平時宣講宗教治理」同「兩類議題的標準一致性」；講者無補齊。 大家有興趣辯論邏輯分析嘅，可以喺度分享心儀嘅辯論對話大家研究吓㗎
Samson
2025-09-19 08:36:40 +0000 UTC謝謝大家暢所欲言和分享，非常可貴 🙏🙏
堅離地書院 College
2025-09-19 07:43:28 +0000 UTCMartyr就言之尚早。兇手係唔係因宗教或政見不同而行刺？
Samson
2025-09-19 07:24:42 +0000 UTCCancel culture 又來了，大家定都只係商業決定呢大家覺得？
Samson
2025-09-18 06:43:25 +0000 UTCThx for sharing this letter. I can FEEL how the "right" feel. It is very important for UNDERSTANDING.
WLC
2025-09-17 08:40:49 +0000 UTC呢度有人抹黑Charlie Kirk成種族主義者？
Samson
2025-09-16 14:42:07 +0000 UTC？why not provide more evidence to support your point? is it only remaining points and let reader think by theirselve or search by theirselve?...
SiuMing Jen
2025-09-16 13:38:56 +0000 UTCJD Vance 最近喺佢自己既社交媒體平台 X.com 帳號內發表講話，點名批評一篇刊載於雜誌 The Nation 既評論文章，稱該文錯誤指控 Charlie Kirk 講過 "黑人無腦" 呢句話，並將 Charlie Kirk 抹黑成種族主義者。 JD Vance 發言片 link https://x.com/JDVance/status/1967659982507372822 出於好奇求真，我搵返 JD Vance 點名既呢篇文章，來自雜誌 The Nation 作者 Elizabeth Spiers 標題 “Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/charlie-kirk-s-legacy-deserves-no-mourning/ar-AA1MrNNR 然後就搵返 Charlie Kirk 該言論既片 原片（雖然都係切頭切尾，僅 2:18 長） https://youtu.be/uK2Lwr1pB04?si=YFHxisnLt4GZQyTg 另一條係一位黑人朋友，分析呢條片，講佢對呢條片既睇法 https://youtu.be/M4otj0Rcmmw?si=q1EZ4nPS7RiNAFPn 但令我不安既反而係一個自稱 "fact check" 網站，簡單直接地裁定 Charlie Kirk “有講到”，連結如下： https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-170000805.html 我懇請大家睇晒上面既資料，再自行判斷 Charlie Kirk 是否真係種族主義者。
KTH
2025-09-16 11:32:45 +0000 UTC沒有從天而降既英雄 只有挺身而出既凡人
KTH
2025-09-16 09:32:03 +0000 UTC睇晒 JD Vance 條片，搵翻佢片首提及嗰篇批評 Charlie Kirk 既文章，連結在此 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/charlie-kirk-s-legacy-deserves-no-mourning/ar-AA1MrNNR 呢篇文章又再斷章取義引用 Charlie Kirk 講 “為保第二修正案（擁槍權），嗰啲槍擊案中消失既生命係 “值得” 既” 既言論，要 put in context 去理解佢既原話。我另外一個 post 有原話的片個 link 不在此贅，或請自行上 YT 搜亦唔難。 至於文章中 “引述” Charlie Kirk 講 “Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person’s slot” JD Vance 話 Charlie Kirk 跟本無講過，我打呢個 post 時仍然未查證，如果我查到我會再 update 其實雙方陣營既頭頭都有出黎話和解，但係我覺得基於事實既和解先係真和解。如果只係啲阿頭出黎講兩句團結口號就算，但下面啲打手繼續互相以謠言或不實訊息抹黑，咁樣係和解，短暫既團結。 邊個想美國亂？邊個國家就黎冧，邊個國家受緊美國巨大壓力，邊個咪最可疑囉。
KTH
2025-09-16 09:24:37 +0000 UTC如果佢講嘅理據係成立，我會第一時間要求交晒 d 核武俾烏克蘭。
Gary Lee
2025-09-16 09:07:07 +0000 UTCCharlie Kirk 與民眾討論槍械管制片段，簡短版 Charlie Kirk's UNBELIEVABLE Debate on The 2nd Amendment https://youtube.com/shorts/gZ77Gnbybe4?si=8RjuD4G9ya6X-abE 長版 YT 上有，請自行搜索，如果你真心願意聆聽 Charlie Kirk 的論據的話。
KTH
2025-09-16 08:24:51 +0000 UTCAn ideological fanatic’s perspective on opposing views is always incomplete and biased because he (or whatever pronouns are preferred), whether consciously or not, translates everything he sees and reads into something that fits his closed, self-fulfilling cube of thought. It’s unwise to drag yourself into an argument with overly sentimental people about this tragedy. And yet, to the dismay of some and the admiration of others, Charlie Kirk fought for conservative ideas all his life and died a martyr to the cause. We shouldn’t tolerate or excuse political violence, nor should anyone use it to justify attacks on free speech. Cheering for the death of someone exercising his right to free speech is absolutely evil. For a decade, Kirk engaged in on-campus activism across liberal-leaning colleges--widely viewed as bastions of toxic progressivism--to spread conservative ideals through face-to-face debates with students. This bold approach drew new generations out of their comfort zones and into reality. While some strongly disagree with his viewpoints and believe he turned campuses into cultural and political battlefields that further divided the country, I believe his legacy of fostering open debate in the public spotlight surpasses the reckless trend of viciously “canceling” those with opposing views by armchair warriors. In moments when democracy trembles, true leaders at every level of government must rise above partisan divides and speak with one unwavering voice: political violence has no place in a free society. Silence is complicity. The duty to protect our shared values demands not just words, but conviction. Sadly, the Trump administration and their supporters don't even give a damn about maintaining a thin veneer of solidarity, or at the very least, about cooling down an already tense atmosphere (https://x.com/JDVance/status/1967659982507372822). Meanwhile, the ultra-left sees neutralizing Kirk as an opportunity to unite anti-Trump forces, bide their time until their “fascist” enemies make political blunders, and profit off the division in America. The true identity of Tyler Robinson—whether far-left or far-right—is of little relevance now, as both sides cherrypick and frame their preferred points, reading every message or fact through their own lens. The killing of Kirk, perhaps a jarring coda to his meteoric rise, is nothing if not a spark for a new wave of political violence, inviting China and Russia to egg on American youths toward more radical actions.
George
2025-09-16 06:29:04 +0000 UTCI didn't know Kirk. Probably he is smart and decent. Yet, if a general man can be comparible with Jesus, this faith is gonna crush. True thr conservative values were long been supressed. Kirk is sharp and brave to debate. But far from a Saint
Hans To
2025-09-16 05:54:52 +0000 UTC"The tyrant dies, his rule is over. The Martyr dies, his rule begins." - Soren Kierkegarrd God bless Charlie Kirk's family. God bless America. God bless the world. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
KTH
2025-09-16 05:48:15 +0000 UTC
