Episode 20: CIA, the Media, and Freeport w/ Lisa Pease
Added 2022-02-08 18:18:27 +0000 UTCFor the tenth episode of our Destiny Betrayed series on the JFK assassination, Aaron talks with Lisa Pease. Along with Jim DiEugenio, Lisa Pease was the co-editor of Probe magazine and a book entitled The Assassinations : Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X. Among Lisa Pease’s most notable contributions were essays on James Angleton, Freeport Sulphur and Indonesia, and a two-part essay on the RFK assassination (Part 1 and Part 2). In 2018, after decades of researching the Robert Kennedy assassination, Lisa finally published her magnum opus on the case: A Lie Too Big to Fail. The book was so incisive that it even got written up by Tom Jackman in a Washington Post article with the headline “CIA May Have Used Contractor Who Inspired ‘Mission: Impossible’ to Kill RFK, New Book Alleges.”
Follow Lisa on Twitter: @lisapease
Special thanks to Casey Moore for the episode art and Dana Chavarria for the sound engineering!
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Comments
Aaron, have you read Nicholson Baker's "Human Smoke"? When Lisa exempted WWII from the no-just-war rule, Baker's book occurred to me as a powerful case that the rule applies even there. Is this the furthest frontier of liberal taboo?
TinkOfSE
2022-07-28 04:25:12 +0000 UTCGary Underhill was his name.
Aaron Good
2022-04-26 13:43:59 +0000 UTCAaron did you remember who the guy you and Lisa were talking about who Lisa said was suicided and had said that Far East people were involved in the Kennedy association? I remember reading destiny betrayed and that doesn’t ring a bell for me for some reason
swat19
2022-04-26 08:38:00 +0000 UTCWell, maybe this is a question for the next Zoom session. If you read Lisa's book she argues that there were likely multiple other guns and that Sirhan was actually firing blanks. She thinks that Caesar was a shooter but that someone else actually fired the fatal shot. At any rate, the evidence shows Sirhan didn't kill RFK. So either (A) there was a plot w/Sirhan as a witting or hypnoprogrammed component, (B) some person or persons repeatedly shot RFK accidentally in the confusion caused by Sirhan's unsuccessful attempt, or (C) one or more persons walking behind RFK opportunistically decided to use Sirhan's distraction to kill RFK. I don't think (B) or (C) are very plausible so that leaves (A).
Aaron Good
2022-02-13 21:35:43 +0000 UTCThank you, Aaron. I'm familiar with Noguchi, and the extra bullet holes. And Cesar pulling his weapon. ('Though the eyewitness testimony about that last one is pretty weak. And after all, he was a security guard during an historic assassination. What else was he supposed to do?) I've read Lisa's book, and Bill Turner's, and Tim Tate's (imho the best so far). Again just think about the planning for the second gun scenario. A hypno-assassin blasting away as a distraction, meanwhile some second shooter is to whip out his gun and put three bullets into the back of the Senator, in a packed little pantry (which I visited before the Ambassador was almost bought by Queens white-trash dirt bag Donny Trump) with all eyes on the intended victim. Who the heck would sign off on such a stupid plan? Okay, maybe if it can be shown that CIA created some superweapon where some midget could hide in a ceiling panel, quickly reached down with his arm, pull the trigger a few times, then the weapon and the midget quickly disappear back into the ceiling. Otherwise. . .
Johnny Case
2022-02-13 20:11:41 +0000 UTCWell, we hardly got into RFK, but Lisa will be back in the future to talk about that case. There was definitely another shooter though. A) More bullet holes than could fit in Sirhan's gun B) autopsy shows RFK was shot at wrong place, distance, and angle for him to have been killed by Sirhan C) Witnesses saw Caesar with his gun drawn or even firing. I talked about the RFK case (and MLK and even a little JFK) here with Robbie and Abby: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/the-deep-state-political-assassinations-of-the-sixties-w-aaron-good
Aaron Good
2022-02-13 15:45:18 +0000 UTCI have no explanation for the extra shots nor the point blank nature of the wounds. But Lisa -- or someone -- will have to justify the insanity of this sort of "plan."
Johnny Case
2022-02-13 14:43:10 +0000 UTCNot a chance. How was this done? Cesar was right in front of everyone. And why only look at Cesar as suspect? If anyone could get away this this silly plot idea, it could only have been the man you'd least expect -- Bill Barry.
Johnny Case
2022-02-13 14:42:12 +0000 UTCOops. Hit send too soon. RFK was perhaps the bravest man alive from 65-68, every time he left his home he was a major murder target. IOW, he was the easiest man in politics to kill. So just imagine Dick Helms, Dave Phillips, Tracy Barnes, and Bill Harvey sitting around making plans to eliminate RFK. Phillips says: "I have an idea. Let's hypnotize a patsy to take a shot from Bobby's front. Meanwhile we'll have a second shooter right behind this man (who ALL EYES ARE ON) firing from behind, inside a small pantry filled with almost 100 people, maybe cameras and recorders. . .
Johnny Case
2022-02-13 14:39:40 +0000 UTCWhile I have no doubt Robert Kennedy was taken out by the same Western Capitalist forces who murdered everyone in the 1960s (including millions in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Greece, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Indonesia etc), the second gun theory in the pantry makes ZERO sense.
Johnny Case
2022-02-13 14:34:53 +0000 UTCAppreciate the guidance 👍🏼
John McElroy
2022-02-10 16:07:26 +0000 UTCI'm not sure that Peter thinks the CIA was a clean-up operation, exactly, just that their relevant formal elements may have been in more of a supporting role... As in: Dulles was out of the CIA but likely very key in plot--if not "chairman of the board" for the plot. McCone was DCI but not likely in the loop at all, thus Dallas could likely not be described purely as a CIA operation. This would be a good question to ask for the next Zoom update...
Aaron Good
2022-02-10 15:43:20 +0000 UTCWas thinking about your earlier PDS interviews regarding the different levels of responsibility for deep events (especially PDS’ instinct that Army intelligence had a larger role in JFKs murder and that CIA was more the clean up organization) and Lisa talks about Bobby’s understanding and belief that the CIA had a larger role - (not that they have to be mutually exclusive or that apportioning blame for these assassinations to individuals provides a clear understanding of the deep state’s interconnectivity and control) but I feel like this podcast builds upon on itself making the context so much more insightful and layered! Thanks Aaron
John McElroy
2022-02-10 14:14:51 +0000 UTCThanks! Great interview!
Sick dude
2022-02-09 06:11:31 +0000 UTC
