Women's Skateboarding
Added 2022-10-20 08:12:57 +0000 UTCWhite Knighting
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Could feel Joas rant special meter growing as his rant intensified
Top Gruyere
2023-04-17 22:59:06 +0000 UTCWoman snowboard pros outside of comps have been basically non-existent up until very recently. It was basically MFR and Jess Kimura until like five years ago. But since we've had the Peep Show crew and Jess's Uninvited movies the skill levels in the new generation of female snowboards have exploded.
Chase
2023-02-22 08:05:32 +0000 UTCSnowboarding and/or skiing is a pretty good example. Women were included almost from the start, and the skill gap is way smaller than skateboarding because of that
kadin jessee
2023-02-21 04:13:47 +0000 UTCi know this a couple weeks late but i totally disagree. nothing wrong with wearing protection
Alex Owens
2022-11-12 01:29:40 +0000 UTCI know we’re talking about her skill but Nicole hause kinda cute too fuck man must push this misogyny back down
bby.sk8
2022-10-27 18:11:29 +0000 UTCPhelps had love for Elissa Steamer because she is sick. Appreciating women’s skateboarding is not outside of the Thrasher ethos.
Professor Idiot
2022-10-27 05:24:10 +0000 UTCI think sus is the wrong word - you (joa) have the best intentions and are fighting the good fight against the hordes. BUT i agree that objectivity is a limited frame to look at this, and opens up a huge can of post-structuralist worms about what gets counted as objective, what forms of rationality is allowed, and who gets to get away with these claims. gender is subjective yes? biology isnt yes? i wish it were that simple but it is not, ask a gender studies expert. biological differences are not seperable from environmental conditions or history - ask an biology expert. the most important point out of all of this to me is to factor environmental historical conditions in, and abondon the pretense of male rational objectivity. joa you did philosophy didnt you? surely you know objectivity is a farce, as much as the opposing 'everything is subjective and no one is right or wrong' view?
j2theohnoez
2022-10-26 06:42:11 +0000 UTCI know but she sucks even for a girl
Austin Manuel
2022-10-26 02:53:56 +0000 UTCOk I gotta apologise. I just rewatched and somehow my brain deleted the mid third of the video. I'm fully with you when you mention Dustin Dollin and around the 20 minute mark you describe how street skating is about challenging yourself and us watching that is what makes it great, not the objective standard. I think the aesthetic point I'm making could be added there. We don't need to watch Aaron Loreth bail to understand that his output is crafted meticulously towards a specific product which many of us consider beautiful. It is obvious he puts his body and brain's work into it while somebody like Beatrice or Evan Mock dont really. I think that feeling is much more important than some arbitrary core gatekeeping code which I understand why youre trying to invoke it but to me it feels like avoiding at all costs the art argument andnI think thats a shame. I agree with some others that Bam isn't a great example because his pre-celeb output was definitely legit good and stylish and he just happened to already have some parts out before becoming famous. But fame and marketability skew the argument away from what really matters. It doesnt explain why Bam continued to be popular with core skaters. I think its because he still did stuff that inspired skaters, no matter how famous he was. The entire "Label Kills" vid from that time is a great example for what I'm trying to say. Or Foundation's "Art Bars". Not the best or most marketable skaters but still turned into cult milestones. I think I understand why you're avoiding the art topic and trying to nail it down to hard metrics but I think that is pandering to the standards of the very people you're trying to convince otherwise. If they don't accept that the act of skateboarding is essentially unquantifiable and the grey area around this is what makes it magical, should we even open up to them? This, if anywhere, is where I agree with you that gatekeeping is necessary to save the essence of skateboarding.
Shredsi
2022-10-25 10:36:32 +0000 UTCOk sus is too strong then. But I don't share your opinion at all that the aesthetic side of skateboarding isn't strong enough to argue against or debunk some people's dumb opinions about inclusivity. I can only repeat my point, how would you argue then against people saying half the Limosine team shouldn't be sponsored because there's a million more objectively skilled skaters out there than Loreth and Karim? Those people definitely exist just look at half of Slap. But we very successfully ignore/ridicule them. Why shouldn't that also work when it comes to gender?! Have some faith in the community ;)
Shredsi
2022-10-25 09:45:16 +0000 UTCLowering the rims would make a great deal to the WNBA let’s be honest here
QogDotZip
2022-10-24 21:37:52 +0000 UTCI'm sympathetic to the thought but SLS Vegas was an abject failure. So non entertaining. I agree with the point that a more tech-friendly scoring system might help
Shredsi
2022-10-24 21:36:41 +0000 UTCWoman always tryna compare smh that WNBA player needs to set her pride to the side men and women will never be equal accept it and move on
QogDotZip
2022-10-24 21:32:25 +0000 UTCif youre saying its sus i think youre implying that i have an agenda against womens skating, which i dont think is supported by anything other than my using facts about sex to fight defend womens skating against men who say it should not be supported.
1
2022-10-24 21:27:59 +0000 UTCthe main reason is to explain to the dudes hating on nicole why mens and womens skating is different, thats the point of coming at it from a biological approach. coming at it from an intangible skating is an art form and everyone is unique in their own way approach is part of the conversation but not concrete or substantial enough to debunk those comparisons. i also want to say i did bring this up the other factors for turning pro, but it was not the major theme. i discussed bam and why nicole is marketable in different ways, that was a decent portion of this video.
1
2022-10-24 21:26:10 +0000 UTCI dont agree with your angle 100% but I still think this should be on Youtube for sure.
Shredsi
2022-10-24 20:52:41 +0000 UTCStill it's a bit sus you're trying to make this all about objectively comparable factors like skillset or physique when there's a bunch of men on your favourite team who would have no place whatsoever in sponsored skateboarding if it were only about that. Why not make that the main point of your video and the redeeming element that indeed separates skateboarding from "sports"??
Shredsi
2022-10-24 20:46:58 +0000 UTCJust a little bit. 🥱
Bluntslideofdoom
2022-10-24 15:22:49 +0000 UTCYou kinda missed the whole point here
beatrice_fs_overcrook
2022-10-24 12:17:52 +0000 UTCThis comment is gold, I follow many of the female skaters because we are working on similar tricks, Breeana kicks some ass with the manuals, and I'm trying to learn something from her clips
beatrice_fs_overcrook
2022-10-24 12:09:11 +0000 UTCGreat comment. Rayssa's back lip Hollywood 16 was the first thing came to my mind by watching this video. Jamie Thomas did it in 1999's Misled Youth (one of the most important street videos ever) and it was his second to last trick, one of the bangers. After that, that weren't many bigger back lips (just El Toro and a few 18 stairs comes to my mind) and Rayssa is just getting started, so for me the gap is indeed getting narrower.
beatrice_fs_overcrook
2022-10-24 12:01:38 +0000 UTCI think you’re looking for the one example that fits your own bias, yes women are good at gymnastics because it is popular and encouraged for women to participate in, but men still do more technically challenging moves. I think womens skating will improve as more girls get into it and rayssa is a yuto like prodigy in womens skating, but I wouldn’t expect to see womens skating especially street get super close to mens anytime soon. I think the biological aspect is extremely important and though it is deemed as rude or inappropriate to focus on I still see it as the single most important factor in understanding the difference between men and women’s sports. Like I said in the video it’s possible that skateboarding is different than other sports or physical activities but I doubt it. If it is then that’s great I’m not attached to any particular outcome but based off almost every sport it won’t be
1
2022-10-24 05:14:58 +0000 UTCI think focusing on the biological differences between men and women might not be the best way to get this point across. Women do excel in certain physical activities such as gymnastics which i think might be more comparable to skateboarding. A lot of the difference in skill doesnt even relate to strength or taking physical abuse (ie doing a switch tre). I really do think the biggest difference is that a lot more women are getting into skating at a later age. A lot of women skaters I see skate similar to men I know who started skating later in life. I will be interested to see how people like Rayssa's style develop as adults.
Finn
2022-10-24 05:05:59 +0000 UTChave you watched it yet
Bincent
2022-10-24 04:13:53 +0000 UTCBam? Is that you??
angcient_rock
2022-10-23 22:02:19 +0000 UTCWhile I'm glad you were able to draw influence from those guys, I think the female perspective when it comes to skating is more akin to like the typical cis male trying to relate to a woman dominated sport like ice skating or gymnastics or something. Like I never even had the mindset of considering that as an option since I just assumed my gender barred me from even trying it.
JP
2022-10-23 16:48:04 +0000 UTCI'm sure Bam is a a GH patron lol
JP
2022-10-23 16:44:23 +0000 UTCA few minutes in but first thought:I agree with what you said about Nicole. I met her once and she seemed like a nice person and was one of the few people at this real team event actually skating. I back her
Jacob M Hibbeln
2022-10-22 18:50:19 +0000 UTCThat's valid on the FA front. I was thinking Welcome and the Evan Mock thing but even then Welcome was popular for a while a few years ago. I'd be curious to hear more about board profits in skateboarding. It seems like so many companies always act like they can barely keep the lights on.
y2kfamous
2022-10-22 15:08:02 +0000 UTCYeah,young Bam was great
Armin Halvadžić
2022-10-22 14:52:41 +0000 UTCNah,most videos are great but this one was ass
Armin Halvadžić
2022-10-22 14:52:13 +0000 UTCGirl soty would be dope
Armin Halvadžić
2022-10-22 14:50:13 +0000 UTCGrow up
Maddie
2022-10-22 13:23:06 +0000 UTC-$5
yadungoofedkid
2022-10-22 11:34:40 +0000 UTCI feel this. I'm also a Poc and pretty much all of my favorite skaters are white. I relate to their aesthetic. I'm sure there are a lot of white kids out there buying kader, nyjahs, and visa versa.
Frontside shitslide
2022-10-22 07:53:59 +0000 UTCStill haven’t watched idk if I want to
Bluntslideofdoom
2022-10-22 05:43:36 +0000 UTCI’ll be honest, I was inspired by Sheckler, Dylan, dill & ave etc. no more than the next person and I’m not white. I will say though the type of skating I prefer I feel came from those individuals as well as seeing myself in them personality wise. I don’t feel that someone needs to be same skin color as me in order to have a profound influence within one’s life and/or skating
Ty
2022-10-22 01:11:16 +0000 UTCGirl abd has to be the standard and it needs to be set extremely high, that’s what pushed skateboarding progression in the early 2000, to get crazy.
Skatepark Reality
2022-10-21 21:22:28 +0000 UTCThey’re just selling out chasing the bag, I don’t see how skateboarding is bigger than ever but big companies are supposedly broke
1
2022-10-21 21:13:23 +0000 UTCFA isn’t struggling they didn’t need to do that, it’s just the easiest path
1
2022-10-21 21:12:00 +0000 UTCI think that seeing teenage girls sweeping podiums in contests indicates that the next generation of girls is gonna be on another level to compared to where our veteran girl pros are rn. Maybe the gap won't fully close, but I think over they next 10 years its gonna get way closer.
Victoria
2022-10-21 18:43:47 +0000 UTCI feel like brands are forced to turn IG skaters pro because they are struggling and can barely afford to keep the lights on. Where do you draw the line here as a company? Seems like skateboarding is slowly growing past it's core morals.
y2kfamous
2022-10-21 13:45:53 +0000 UTCtrue although you cant deny that instagram and social media has a huge impact on the portrayal of skateboarding. Even if you soon realize that these insta skaters are kooks, you still can help but get their content shoved down your throat
Juuls4school
2022-10-21 13:43:42 +0000 UTCI feel like this is a more YT worthy video even if there's some flack - when pushing a topic like this so passionately it's worth having as many people possible listen in? Also a lot of patrons are already on the same page so putting on YT would change more minds.
Clyde
2022-10-21 12:15:22 +0000 UTCAll these half baked female skaters get the spotlight because while the talent pool is very very small, the industry wants their motherfucking money
Bob
2022-10-21 12:11:17 +0000 UTCI don't think this argument applies only to women. For sure there are a lot of young boys out there to whom Chris Chann and Burberry Dingleberry are the top dogs. But are they a real impediment to the evolution of the sport? Once you get into skateboarding for real you work out pretty quick who the real ones are. No reason that shouldn't work the same for girls.
Shredsi
2022-10-21 08:56:28 +0000 UTCIf you end up sounding like Donald Trump Jr. Jr., then call me Don Jr.Jr.Jr. 🍊😂
Rama
2022-10-21 08:02:03 +0000 UTCI think Bam was legit competitive pro back when he was on Toy Machine. Then came the fame, the money, the chicks, the drugs. Everything changed after cky2k... Bam, if you're reading this, we love you <3 You'll always have a place in skateboarding if you want it
angcient_rock
2022-10-21 05:27:11 +0000 UTCBam Bam skates FDR, don’t ever disrespect the ssbsts skills the man’s got
mrsaturday90
2022-10-21 04:39:13 +0000 UTCThought the whole rant about the WNBA was unnecessary. Using women's volleyball would have been a better example than a hypothetical about lowering women's rims. More than anything, women's basketball sucks because they are slower and less explosive than men, not because they cannot dunk. I've always held the opinion that women's volleyball is a superior product to men's, because they are weaker they tend to spike the ball less/do not hit the ball as hard, which causes longer rallies. So through different standards (a lower net) they've created a better product in the eyes of some (at least me). I think you could extrapolate on this as hard evidence as opposed to a WNBA hypothetical that I personally don't think would even help very much . Anyways another great video
Theo
2022-10-21 04:26:04 +0000 UTCWow and you used all those words to not really say anything at all.
Scamp
2022-10-21 03:24:27 +0000 UTCMariah Duran's part a couple of months ago is levels above the rest- Correct me if I'm wrong ?
Paddy Walsh
2022-10-21 02:42:37 +0000 UTCInteresting take, & on a related note, one interesting outlier of a sport where the playing field is relatively level between genders is rock climbing. Probably not super relevant due to explosive strength (not quite as present in climbing) being an essential thing for pop in skateboarding, but it's worth looking at to see the dynamics of a sport that's properly gender-blind.
Zoey Sheng
2022-10-21 01:37:29 +0000 UTCThere are enough good female skaters now that Thrasher should have a girl SOTY. Explicit competition is good for advancing the level of the sport. It's no accident that most really good female skaters are contest skaters primarily.
JP
2022-10-21 00:20:40 +0000 UTCWas at FA thing and Nicole was the only woman in the mix. 100% won me over.
D
2022-10-20 23:08:23 +0000 UTCThat’s every single one of my videos
1
2022-10-20 23:00:25 +0000 UTCHoly fuck this is insane. Something that could be said in 5 minutes,it took him 40 and not even interesting takes. Waw
Armin Halvadžić
2022-10-20 22:58:49 +0000 UTCyou’re right concerning the situation in the us
Jamie Brennan
2022-10-20 22:51:21 +0000 UTCI don’t know anything about the WNBA or Shaq or other American things like that. But I think the money involved in large franchises in the WNBA can’t be compared with the potential growth in popularity for womens skateboarding. If the wnba stays on the same way it is, and the crowds continue to shrink, girls are still going to continue trying out for their high school teams, and keep being exposed to basketball in a million other ways. Skateboarding doesn’t have as many ways to get into it imho. I think the best way of doing that is bringing more women into the field and by creating more exposure. So the way companies have done that is to make it easier for entry into the big leagues. They lowered the hoops so to speak. I don’t think Beatrice should have been made pro either and I totally agree with mostly everything you’re saying, but do you see what I’m getting at?
Nature Table
2022-10-20 21:49:18 +0000 UTCDudes needa start just turning trans and get in on the money and spotlight
Mo Oseguera
2022-10-20 21:49:07 +0000 UTCI think she and other wnba athletes are unwilling to make any changes despite the fact their sport is failing, they cast blame everywhere they can, the last thing they seem to be interested in is looking inward.
1
2022-10-20 21:37:08 +0000 UTCMy point is that the wnba hurts itself, it loses money every year nobody goes to the games and the players are unwilling to explore options. I think you’re being really sympathetic to her position, I think her attitude is toxic. You can tell as soon as Shaq starts talking about it the whole room is on egg shells, she doesn’t even give a real answer she just invents this new child she will bare that will be a sick dunker.
1
2022-10-20 21:34:57 +0000 UTCI think the best way to put this is that the messenger makes a huge difference to the message. If you’re a guy, who’s clearly well informed when it comes to skateboarding, you run the risk of coming across come like Shaq when he’s talking to that WNBA player about lowering the hoops. He comes across extremely “matter of factly” and I think almost like he’s talking down to her. You say that it’s ego that stops people lowering the net but it’s also ego that makes people unreal at stuff. When you compare that to Serena WillIams who is essentially making a very similar point to Shaq, but she’s speaking realistically but passionately about the difference between mens and womens tennis, from her own lived experience.
Nature Table
2022-10-20 21:28:10 +0000 UTCHe said woman aren’t tuff 😹
Mo Oseguera
2022-10-20 21:25:36 +0000 UTCTold Beatrice that I’m better than her and haven’t skated in years on IG and she got all booty tickled. One of her buddies even came after me on the DMs.
Austin Manuel
2022-10-20 21:11:22 +0000 UTCAlso wondering this.
Caro
2022-10-20 20:31:16 +0000 UTCI think the thing to consider is how much does raw strength actually play into skateboarding? Given the same access, support and inspiration, will the difference in raw strength actually make that big a difference in the long run?
Caro
2022-10-20 20:30:35 +0000 UTCbeatrice turning pro with no part is like being a doctor with no phd.
kaenan
2022-10-20 20:23:37 +0000 UTCI think SLS did this on purpose after the bloodbath in seattle. That was getting hard to watch. But i think this speaks to the need for SLS to better reward tech tricks on smaller obstacles in both men’s and women’s scoring. Tommy finn’s fakie tre lip as an example.
Peepee la Poo
2022-10-20 19:34:37 +0000 UTCThis was during the Jamie Thomas' neurotic reign of terror over his companies. Dude wanted his teams to fit an exact mold in his head and many people's careers suffered as a result. Marisa should have never picked zero. Skateboarding owes her some reparations imo.
JP
2022-10-20 18:43:07 +0000 UTCI was thinking the same thing
Reid Adams
2022-10-20 18:37:47 +0000 UTCSpot on
Lucas
2022-10-20 18:21:05 +0000 UTCWell thought out opinions and really solid take. Thanks for putting it out there Hater.
david wallace
2022-10-20 17:48:38 +0000 UTCPut this on yet fr. I think you are basically correct but could have expanded on the historical aspect of gender in sports in general and skateboarding in particular. The actual history is probably very illuminating as to how all sports are male dominated and take the social forms they do. Certainly there are historical and material conditions that make this possible. I would think that sports have always been male dominated and women have been encouraged to engage in forms of recreation considered more socially suitable to their gender, since this has been the case in art, science, etc. The question of standards is well put: the standard is relative to a real act, or as abstracted from it, it shouldn’t be thought of as either super imposed by men, or from the logic of marketing (although this is at least a valid line of argumentation as abstraction is the fundamental effect of market exchange). It is about women skateboarding in itself as a good thing, not so companies can sell shit to girls. In this sense my issue is with what we consider to be universal. I would say people pushing their own limits and eating shit is universally good, a minimum level of skill that is universal to making your skateboarding entertaining, although creativity modifies this because skateboarding is both a sport and an art. Anyway I would try and make the argument without endorsing any cynical market logic.
Coleman Mummery
2022-10-20 17:23:09 +0000 UTCsort of off topic but this is another reminder of how tragic it was that marisa dal santo never went pro. so fun to watch, one of the all time greatest to do it.
Kyle Brody
2022-10-20 16:55:07 +0000 UTCGood video, with good points that can all be further developed and argued for or against in a rational discourse. I think it is good that someone is out here making these kinds of well developed points and you need only glance through this comment section to see some well deserved man on man backpatting going down. I think you should consider posting this, or at least so,me version of this on your main channel... HOWEVER, why not feature some actual non-male skaters in the discussion? I think you're always going to get a response of "oh here we go again, another MAN explaining WOMENS skateboarding" no matter how good an argument you make. Would be cool to see you hashing some of these points out with a Nelly, a Eunice or to truly melt some heads, dare I say Myles.
Nature Table
2022-10-20 16:38:57 +0000 UTCThat’s an interesting thought. The most recent SLS in Las Vegas was a much smaller and tighter course than a lot of the previous ones and it seemed to my (totally non-expert) eye to be setting the women up for more successs.
Caro
2022-10-20 16:12:30 +0000 UTCHave you seen the women’s competitions recently? They are kids competitions 🤷🏻♀️
Caro
2022-10-20 16:09:35 +0000 UTCI kind of explored that a little bit in the video but I ended up cutting it. I think if the obstacles were slightly lower/ smaller it could help the contest. However I think the difference would be minimal, seems like the girls are doing pretty okay at street league they just need some more time to develop. Also infrastructure is an important consideration, like it’s a lot easier to lower a basketball hoop or a volleyball net than it is to design an entire skatepark that is barely modified for womens skating. Unless womens skating was to have like a complete overhaul with some format that better suited to their skill set I don’t think it’s necessary, I also have no idea what that would look like. All of this is totally theoretical and I think practically girls are doing fine at sls, the course also changes every time it’s not static, so maybe this could give street league a chance at some design changes that could help the women a bit in the future.
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2022-10-20 16:08:11 +0000 UTCI think you make an awesome point about Nicole and Nelly being inspirational because they are less advanced. I remember an interview with Mike V. about the Bones Brigade videos where he said that if there had only been Tony Hawk or Steve Caballero, he would have been like, “Wow, skateboarding is hard! I can’t do that shit!” But because Lance Mountain was there, being good, but not a prodigy, he was inspired to skate.
Caro
2022-10-20 16:07:43 +0000 UTCFrom like a mind changing angle probably 2% from an entertainment angle this is the kind of shit people respond well to on here
1
2022-10-20 15:59:00 +0000 UTCThat’s a good point
1
2022-10-20 15:56:19 +0000 UTC"Maybe Elissa Steamer, I'm not familiar with her street footage" is something you don't admit publicly. Come on man, we all have the same internet access.
JP
2022-10-20 15:55:59 +0000 UTCUpdate: I think I’m wrong about figure skating. Men are still more technically proficient and can do axle spins and whatnot better because of physical differences, BUT women seem to be more popular, maybe cause of style and grace is better to watch I dunno
VapoRubBoy
2022-10-20 15:51:58 +0000 UTCI find Nelly and Nicoles tricks to be different due to their stance. Just like front side and backside grinds or roll ins. Different techniques imo.
JP
2022-10-20 15:39:00 +0000 UTCWhat % of your patrons do you think needed to hear this?
Sleeping in Jeans
2022-10-20 15:37:44 +0000 UTCRayssa Leal is the perfect example of where women can go. She’s the beginning of a new wave of insane women that are going to come up. I see it the same, they are going to close the gap. Maybe not all the way but extremely close someday
VapoRubBoy
2022-10-20 15:35:23 +0000 UTCI’m with you here. I think women can reach insane levels of skateboarding regardless of physical differences. It’s just down to exposure.
VapoRubBoy
2022-10-20 15:33:05 +0000 UTCWomens soccer isn’t as marketable? The debate about the pay was for the national teams. The women taking in just as much if not more views than the mens team while being home trophies left and right. As a whole no it’s not as marketable but the US Womens national team is Lowkey way more popular than the dudes
VapoRubBoy
2022-10-20 15:31:53 +0000 UTCI’m of the personal belief women will be as good or extremely close to as good at men at skateboarding someday. It seems to me that mens skill grew exponentially and at some point if not already that skill growth will plateau, I think there’s only so good a human can be at something. I think women are experiencing exponential skill growth in skateboarding right now do to more and more exposure. In my mind it’s similar to figure skating where women are just as good, if not considered better than men at the sport. I don’t see why skateboarding can’t be similar. There is power to skating but a lot of finesse. I dunno maybe I’m crazy but watching street league and some of these video parts from women they just seem to be getting better and better at a faster rate now than men are, obviously there’s still a huge gap.
VapoRubBoy
2022-10-20 15:28:14 +0000 UTCWhat’s your opinion on Street League designing courses specifically tailored for women’s skateboarding. Personally I think it would add a lot more interest and competitiveness to the event. Men nowadays casually skate 12/16 stairs in their street parts with little to no discomfort. Women don’t. If a woman dropped a video part where she was skating a huge gap or big stair set it would blow everyone away. So why should we expect women skaters to skate something in a live competition with minimal tries when we don’t even expect it out of their street parts which have infinitely more attempts to skate these huge obstacles. I would like to see the park builders for street league actually pay attention to women’s skateboarding and build courses that mirror the top level of skill and difficulty in WOMEN’s street parts for women’s Street League. Not just assume that we’ll see the best performance out of them on obstacles tailored to what men have been comfortably skating for years.
Jawn Shanahan
2022-10-20 14:44:23 +0000 UTCI also agree this should be on YT. More ppl should hear this.
Jonathan Cheng
2022-10-20 14:19:48 +0000 UTCDo you guys think it would be wise to promote kids skateboarding more, in order for more children to get into it? Specifically girls, which seems to be what many companies are going for. For example a kids' division in street league. 12 and below (where technically boys and girls could compete together), with smaller obstacles. I'm torn, because on one hand it would be good for young girls to find relatable role models, but on the other hand I'm not a fan of making kids famous
Oscar Eliasson
2022-10-20 13:51:57 +0000 UTC100%
Jial
2022-10-20 13:39:36 +0000 UTCSkating my local 8+ years ago there were zero female skaters. On the busiest days the skatepark would descend to a testorone bucket of shitty attitudes. 50 or more dudes all skating, the vibe could turn bad really fast. I took 5-6 years off the board due to Injury/life. Coming back to my local now, there's almost always a mixed crowd. Girls come to try skating for the first time, rollerskaters pop in sometimes (which is sick) and at least 2 local women here legitimately fucking rip. The vibe is waaay better now the girls are more involved and general behaviour and attitude at the park is much improved with a mixed crowd. I think this would be a great vid for YT cus the message needs to be reiterated and you seem to be preaching to the choir here. I don't comment much but this was great and made me want to give my 2 cents. 300% buying a Nicole board in future.
Jial
2022-10-20 13:37:24 +0000 UTCAs far as role models go, someone above mentioned Kareem Campbell in the early THPS games. Just to vouch for that comment, as a black kid in the middle of fucking nowhere rural England, this nail on head. I got THPS2 from my cousin 300 years ago and seeing Kareem's clips, and playing that character is what got me into skating. Sure, I appreciated Reynolds/Rowley etc but having Campbell and Steamer as characthers told my 13 yr old brain this shit was cool for anyone to try.
Jial
2022-10-20 13:25:30 +0000 UTCGreat job, best ranty vid yet dude. I really enjoyed Nicole's part, it's become another one I'll rewatch often to get psyched to go skate. As much as I love Ishod and GT, watching those guys teaches me very little about how to do FS/BS airs etc. I am in awe, but watching skaters like Nicole & Nelly is inspiring in a sense that I can relate it to my own abilities. Thats not to say I can even attempt to hit the spots they skate but at this point I think I learn as much about trick selection/execution from watching women's skateboarding as mens.
Jial
2022-10-20 13:21:41 +0000 UTCBased take, Hasan Piker would approve
freakazoid
2022-10-20 12:42:59 +0000 UTCfinally some fucking reasonable arguments on this topic. i think the main issue about this whole discussion is the woke feminism movement and everything that comes with it. not only in sports but all media in general, it just seems a little forced and i guess this is what puts many people off about it. im not saying that there shouldn’t be any female pro athletes nor any female superheroes for example but it is a process which has to come natural. a good example for unnatural growth and it’s demands is female soccer, there is a huge debate that female athletes should be payed as much as their male counterparts, which is theoretically right. the main issue is that womens soccer is just not as marketable. but if you ask me, it is alright looking at the fact that men have been playing professional soccer for over a hundred years. female sports in general is just in its baby shoes and the further we as a society will go down that road the more equal it will become.
Jamie Brennan
2022-10-20 12:11:56 +0000 UTCI agree that both men and woman have differing physical abilities, however, the coverage woman receive hinders their progression more than their physical disadvantage. When you see skatemoss or any other "sponsored" instagram female skater, however distorted the perception is, to outsiders these are the top dogs of female skateboarding. To little girls these are the people to look up to. This is very unfortunate as it is setting a standard far too low. People like Alexis Sablone or Breana Geering have shown that female skateboarding doesn't just have to be rocket kickflip on instagram. This is why people like Nicole Hause deserve their coverage and is helping push woman's skateboarding past stupid instagram skits and shows they can be taken seriously to produce quality skateboarding that inspires others.
Juuls4school
2022-10-20 12:02:59 +0000 UTCHot take: transition tricks is only half as gnarly when the skater is padded up and wearing a helmet.
Chrizzler
2022-10-20 12:02:43 +0000 UTCdefinitely
Miguel
2022-10-20 11:22:39 +0000 UTCAlso maybe you're mentioning this later but probably not since this opening argument is the perfect place for it: I would like to know why you're ignoring the argument of statistical prodigy emergence? I think the female SLS roster is proving it very graphically: a major reason for why the level of female skateboarding is so far below male skateboarding is because there are so much fewer girls doing it which greatly decreases the likelihood of the one girl picking up a board who's born with the innate ability to become a superstar. Plus of course the structures to foster these talents and give them a platform to build on. Now that the sport is bigger and there is at least some history of female skating, look at the prodigies popping up and pushing the game. There is no logical reason to assume that Rayissa back lipping Hollywood 16 is anywhere near the end of it. They are pushing ahead in leaps and bounds. Meanwhile Gustavo Ribeiro has been winnin more and more mens comps with crook flip out variations over the last three years and Yuto is a living bag of token tricks which screams stagnant progression. All signs point to the gap between men and women rapidly growing narrower in the future. If it will ever fully close is another question but I don't think there's a very good reason why the current level of female skating should be down exclusively to the biological factor.
Shredsi
2022-10-20 10:53:37 +0000 UTCOnly 6 minutes in, first of all thanks for making this video, daunting topic for sure. While you're talking about that opening shot and dropping in from the top, I'm wondering why you're arguing so hard along the gender divide when there for sure are plenty of well paid male professionals that would never drop from the top or even from where Nicole drops. Well, one could reply, but at least Felipe Gustavo can do switch flip nosegrinds down hubbas. Ok, but could Sean Pablo do either for example? Would Aidan Mackey survive those wobbles? The argument that many pros get paid for how inspirational they are to an audience, not for their superior ability or suicidal abandon, can be made across the gender divide, not along it, and I think that would make it stronger.
Shredsi
2022-10-20 10:39:33 +0000 UTClowkey teared up a little when you talked about your ex not getting to skate cause it was a “boy thing” reminds me of when I was a kid and skating was considered “white boy shit” I think seeing Kareem in Tony Hawk really helped break that barrier for a lot of people and I don’t know who or where I would be without skateboarding. 🫡
shoelacebelt
2022-10-20 09:44:50 +0000 UTCAgree with your take! And also crap 247 has a very strong point that it would be dumb as a scene or industry to miss out on a new growing demographic of contributors or customers!
insightfulzarathrustra
2022-10-20 09:44:32 +0000 UTCGreat video Joa. I agree with your takes on this one but I must say that while I support and also enjoy some women skating, there are a few women skaters that I really am inspired by their style and skill level combined but Nicole I cannot say is one of them. at least this part I found to be kind of boring but if someone else feels inspired by it power to them
Frontside shitslide
2022-10-20 09:39:32 +0000 UTCKind of floating this out with you guys, might put it on YouTube depending on how you guys react
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2022-10-20 08:59:08 +0000 UTCRight on time
Frontside shitslide
2022-10-20 08:59:07 +0000 UTCI feel like alot of ppl on yt would appreciate this vid. Great watch
doubledew
2022-10-20 08:56:15 +0000 UTCMarisa dal Santo in Zero’s “Strange world” was one of gnarliest parts in women skateboarding, and it came out 13 years ago.
Holidayintheusa
2022-10-20 08:53:04 +0000 UTCis this the first girl abd ever?
ben braun
2022-10-20 08:52:25 +0000 UTCStephan Lawyer kickflipped into that first kinked hill bomb and I’m pretty sure he started even lower on it. He also still slammed on it same way
Holidayintheusa
2022-10-20 08:20:07 +0000 UTCfirst
brad
2022-10-20 08:15:06 +0000 UTCThank God I didn't go to bed yet
Dylan Haynie
2022-10-20 08:14:15 +0000 UTCworld genius was here
luke p
2022-10-20 08:14:05 +0000 UTC
