Tyshawn Table W/ Ted

Wow Ted’s table Ollie defense was so annoying to listen to just addressing anything and everything but the actually fucking subject at hand. Not a single point he made was actually relevant to the argument he sounds like a fan boy just desperately protecting his mental image of his hero

ProtagoniSSSt

Get bent, late homie

Christian Atkins

Cringe

Dustin Alicea

Wore my new balances to church with my suit for a couple months until my wife couldn't stand the shame.

Ross Lucas

Me and Theodore**

Christian Atkins

if he were to have ollied from farther away from that line on the ground (key on the basketball court) and still shifted forwards like he did he would have clipped the top corner of the table. Joa has that video with the over head drawing of the table, take the line from where he ollied and landed and move it back closer to the other corner of the table. He didn't have enough time in the air with that ollie to clear any obstacle with the dimensions of that able. The part you would eat off of, not the seat.

RickTheRuler

I was fighting with my girlfriend and to cheer myself up i watched this. Listening to Ted on Vent City is always a good thing. Then the switch Ollie came up, and listening to teds excuses made me realize I was wrong in the argument and so i apologized to my GF and was able to get out of the dog house. I wish to never sound like Ted when arguing or debating. The mental Gymnastics was stupid. What the hell was Ted doing? Is he thinking of becoming a politician? Those are the only people who can equals the amount of bullshit that he was on. FIx up look sharp Ted. you acting the snickerdoodle.

kelton

I agree they’re not the most aesthetically pleasing, but in this context I think they’re necessary to prove that he cleared the table (he didn’t)

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All of the “film it from the side!” “Film it from straight on!” People have no idea how utterly awful those angles would be

Allen Dillard

Ah okay haha thanks

Awesome Ripper

He's at an angle to the table before he even pops and follows the trajectory of that angle. He's not hitting it straight on. Why? Can you explain the angle he pops at?

Slept

Please let me link out to YouTube I pay for red for a reason. Plus no subtitles here which is really helpful for me personally and I'm sure others.

Slept

It's strange because he didn't clear it. If it were legit they'd have filmed from the side completely and I'll bet they started that way. It's a clever angle but anyone who watches a lot of skating can see what's going on.

Slept

Is Ted literally blind? You can see he's at an angle to the table, in the direction he lands before he even pops the trick. He doesn't drift he's ollieing in a direction that's not straight. They figured out how to get it as close as possible without clearing fully with the ass angle... If it was 100% legit they'd have filmed it completely from the side so there's no question.

Slept

It's on Slap somewhere but basically called him out for just being an Insta skater who does illegal tricks, but in the equivalent of a drunken aggro thing you'll regret the next morning

Shredsi

I’m late but what did he say about v plug?

Awesome Ripper

Haha “soty campaign manager” That must be the homie that’s always yelling, “I told you!!” In the back of a few clips

mrsaturday90

You can't say you watched that clip and felt great about. Something is off. And the reason why it feels off is becasue he goes to the side off the table or at least that's how the angle makes it look. But it lacks that satisfying feeling off him clearly going over it

Armin Halvadžić

Stop. The point off this trick is him clearing the table switch. But he did not clear the table since he landed on the side. If he was going in the straight line he would clip is tail on the top off the table. But since he went on the side he made it. Still amazing,but if I was him I would rather do it again untill I get a clear one. This counts as an amazing clip but it doesn't count as clearing the table. Is that simple really.

Armin Halvadžić

The conversation about TJ's switch ollie over the picnic table makes no sense. He 100 % didn't clear the thing. He lands by the side off of it. That's it. The impressive thing about the trick is that he clears it but he clearly doesn't. Move on.

Armin Halvadžić

The General font is from a car insurance commercial

dopplegangerxp

Hahahahahaha

Pete Currie

Yes plzzz

Pete Currie

Great discussion😅 I agree with joa tho

Chase Palumbo

+ in the footage it looks like he didnt even start in front of the high part of the table, but already to the side. meh.

Ludwig

he cleared the low part of the table and thrasher published a photo of him pretending to clear the table = the high part. and so far: he didnt. which is odd, especially for someone going for the DMX / in your face / "real" skateboarding-angle.

Ludwig

I said in my comment that it doesn’t help that they had just the one angle. I have no doubt that they did film extra angle and if it’s a straight on angle then it probably shows that he didn’t fully do it. My point was trying to understand why the trick looked the way that it did because I wouldn’t have thought Tyshawn would be the type of person to try and deceive the audience. However I do agree that there must be a second angle given the significance of the trick so it does come off as kinda dishonest. 🤷‍♂️

Benjamin Coyle

I also thought about t funks ollie, but didn't the controversy spur from the spot in which he popped his board? (clearly past the start of the bench) not saying that either of these tricks were true makes or not just curious as to why the fine tooth comb came out for tyshawn. I suppose it's because of the trick being on a thrasher cover, so i guess it makes sense to give it more scrutiny. With that being said Tyshawn is the shit and clearly a one in a million talent regardless make or not.

paris

I’m with Ted, odd perspective creates the illusion of a missed ollie. I think he definitely cleared it. Strange there were no alternate angles regardless.

nippleslover

What happened with vans?

Dad Board

100% with you on the whole tyshawn forcing it / clearing table issue.

Ludwig

that would be sick

Alexander Cantu

I was hoping they'd say something like this. clearing the table should be considered clearing the line extending infinitely sideways from the TOP of the table, not the benches

Coinstar

awesome discussion guys very entertaining. much love

Nice Great

Like Ted a lot but I have to go with Joa on this one, the dude didn't clear the top of the table which is the point of the trick.

evcardin

Hey Felix sorry I’ll start uploading the vods on here

1

I hate that I can’t watch any of your streams anymore. Not everyone can watch it live at night, your YouTube Highlight guys are lazy af as well😂 and the streams were the part which I enjoyed most. If you need any help on a highlight channel in the future, let me know.

Felix K.

he should’ve cut the table in half and stacked both halves on top of each other, that way he could probably clear it

oatmeal steve

Aren't we all forgetting to ask the most important question coming from that conversation: WHO IS THAT SOTY PRO SENDING THOSE PICS? My vote is on Ishod, he gets feisty on the gram every now and again (loved that one time he went blast on Versace Plug)

Shredsi

nah the vote is quite clearly in your favour, thank god

Shredsi

somebody for SURE filmed that angle, if only with a phone, and guess why it isn't in the edit ...

Shredsi

problem is a picnic table is a three dimensional object and barrow is making a non sequitur argument that has NOTHING to do with Joa's point.

Shredsi

Diego Najera nearly kickflipped one, I don't think it's THAT inconceivable. And at least Najera had an entire squad of cameras doing several angles. Speaking of which, tyshawn's being a thrasher cover, who here REALLY believes there is only that one angle?! come on. even if it was just iphones propped up, you would get some safety angles of a stunt such as this. ludicrous self-delusion. Those angles do exist and they prove it's unclean.

Shredsi

"intentionality" what the fuck are you guys smoking. There is a frame where his wheels and tail are OBVIOUSLY coming down TO THE SIDE OF the edge of the tabletop. that means he did NOT clear the entire length of the tabletop surface, but indeed angled his trajectory so he came down over the bench surface, which is lower, which allows him to not clip and land even without having cleared the tabletop. If anything, Joa and Ted could have used a bit more specific language instead of table this table that. Tabletop is the word. To be able to say you ollied a picnic TABLE lenghtwise I'm pretty sure we ALL agree it is about clearing the TABLETOP surface lengthwise. Not the lower benches, not some diagonal shit. the argumentation on here is borderline insane.

Shredsi

the craziest part is the people trying to treat it like it's a flatground gap and how going diagonal increases length and therefore blabla - that's what you get as a country when no one gets taught at least a little bit of analytical geometry which is where you learn to project the three dimensional space and curves. It is indeed very obvious and you're not the only one, Joa, scratching your head at how many people are trying to dumb themselves down into a world where they can defend this fail

Shredsi

good analogy. Let's hear Ted schwurbeling his way out of that one

Shredsi

yeah it's a weird feeling, hearing Ted's voice and it proclaiming something obviously horseshit. Kinda like if David Attenborrough argued in favour of McDonalds or something. I think/hope the PR-hypothesis is the most likely and the next part just starts with a dead-center front on shot of him switch ollieing that table in the cover-photo outfit. If it doesn't, Tyshawn just Sheckler'd himself and SOTY is a surefire no-no at that point

Shredsi

I feel like there’s a lot of comparisons to be made with when Tfunk did the China Banks bench. Before the video came out there was all sorts of dumbass nerds trying to argue that he probably did this or that in order to make it. It Built an insane of hype for when the video actually dropped. I’m with Ted in that whoever Tyshawn’s SOTY campaign manager is doing this intentionally to drum up hype for another clip to drop of him definitively doing the bench. I don’t think it’s an accident that he’s wearing a different fit to the thrasher cover. I think if he did cheat the Ollie like you’re sayin, he could have easily done it on the white tee and black shorts day from the cover. Wouldn’t be surprised if his next part features a clearer angle from that session back to back with a kickflip clip or something else. People would lose their minds and would score a lot of points for the crown.

Nature Table

intentionality changes the outcome significantly imo. I think the grey area this angle creates can validate different arguments but to direct so much attention to whether or not tyshawn intended to deceive with this clip and then dismiss that aspect here weakens your argument.

blue3

one thing Patreon player doesn't save playback position like Youtube so if you don't watch it all in one sitting you have to find your place again

joey t

on jah the patreon player sucks

friedtothemarrow

I’m ok with it even if I dont agree.

Theodore Barrow

I didn’t make it through hell week 😭

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rare ted L

jaki

Isn't joa literally an art major?

Frontside shitslide

Ok consensus seems to be fuck the Patreon player but split pretty evenly on the table.

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Okay okay, he is probably not gonna admit that he did not clear it. Anyway I find it hard to believe that he thought he would get away with it (if he did think that).

Smee Gain

Lol ok. The presented trick (ollie over the top of the table lengthwise) was not made, but you’re right that A trick was made (ollie over the front of the top and the end of the seat).

JP

Oh shit I assumed it was Tyshawn running it with all the HG (Hardies Gang) shit he’s been posting thanks for the correction :)

Hunter L

"logic and rationality IS a dying breed"

Theodore Barrow

Ty Lyons runs Hardies, and is probably responsible for a lot of the designs.

Theodore Barrow

rolling away with 4 wheels on the ground pretty much assures that the trick was "a make."

Theodore Barrow

Indol: you're acknowledging that you find Tyshawn's skating "pretty boring personally," so your claims of "logic and rationality" (no such thing exists anyway) are groundless.

Theodore Barrow

maybe, but nobody can demonstrate that I'm wrong.

Theodore Barrow

I stand with Ted

tristen schern

Ted you're out of your gourd on the table thing

Sleeping in Jeans

If the table was just as tall and long, but say 20 feet wide, he obviously wouldn't have cleared it with the ollie in the video. Bad filming is disappointing, but to only include this one angle does feel like relying on camera tricks.

Ginwoo's Baldest Fan

Yeah joa I would appreciate YouTube, for some the the audio plays but the picture is just blank

wolfman1347

He starts by sw ollieing over the table and ends with 4 wheels on the asphalt on the other side of the table.

Theodore Barrow

I'm with Ted on the switch ollie. The perspective of him coming toward you can create the illusion that he didn't make it over when if we had another angle from the side you would clearly see he made it past.

Zach N

gotta go with joa on this one

Cole

😭😭😭

justice

The patreon app not allowing background playback kinda sucks. But it runs fine on any browser app I've tried.

Oliver Sutton

Prefer Youtube or Audio over the patreon video player tbh

Victoria

I really prefer YouTube because I can't play this with my screen locked at work

mctit

I'm guessing it will be the east coast (Bronx) equivalent to Primitive :)

Chrizzler

Please figure out that web cam. Thing is feeling like a paul greengrass movie (bourne identity, captain phillips)

JP

Ryan lay sure looks different

JP

the ollie didn't look satisying. would've looked legit if the back truck didn't start to fall half way over the table. zero percent bone.

yadungoofedkid

last 20 minutes is destiny v sneako vibes

Queef dreams

I disagree that his skating boring but I do agree that he doesn’t really inspire me to skate. His skating is not very relatable and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a clip of his and thought that I could even come close to skating in the way that he does. He is certainly an enigma and I think his skating is best enjoyed by sitting back and watching him do some impossible shit that no one is currently doing.

Benjamin Coyle

I think Joa’s point is that there shouldn’t be any doubt in a trick like this. It’s a switch Ollie over a table. I can see why Joa sees the clip as deceitful you can see it in the clip that his wheels are level with the table before he fully makes it over. I think Tyshawn could’ve gotten rid of any doubt if there was a straight on angle, but we don’t have that.

Benjamin Coyle

What. Either he accidentally or purposefully jumped off to the side, it doesn’t change the outcome. He did not clear the table front to back, no academic language or philosophy will change that

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starting from the centre and drifting in any direction, increases the length. ask pythagoras or some shit idk

j2theohnoez

"if i am sure he didnt do it (based on a skewed 2d angle), then there is doubt. tyshawn wouldnt allow me (the objective viewer) to doubt cos he is tyshawn, my doubt therefore validates the reality that he in fact didnt do it (which was always simply my opinion). also, this confirms his intention to decieve me."

j2theohnoez

joa rly arguing with an art historian about 2d perspective interpretation...

j2theohnoez

works fine, and keeps your patreon more true (not easy to link-share the video etc)

j2theohnoez

you have to justify your assumptions of intentionality joa

j2theohnoez

oldhead ted wins the table debate and i love him for it. GH speaks from the fine-toothed comb *new* POV, its limited. its conspiratorial. it assumes intentionality. It denys the validity of the 'possibility model' which is directly from an era in skating where nbd's were commonplace, everyday. Ted knows this, Joa does not.

j2theohnoez

I think Tyshawn was probably aiming for the corner of the table as a way to sort of trick his brain by making it seem less scary than popping in the middle to the table. I also think I didn’t help that they only showed one angle. However I still think that the trick is crazy fucked and he’s probably the only skater to be able to do what he did whether he technically went over the whole thing or not.

Benjamin Coyle

I think this pretty much implies him pretending to have cleared it clean, but I would really like to hear him talk about it before judging. It would be cool to have a video of the Thrasher one. And also have a statement of him saying if he did or did not clear the whole distance of the top…

Smee Gain

Check out my thrasher cover where I ollied most of the table lol

1

If it’s on the cover of thrasher what u think he’s saying

1

He went over the front and off the side. It’s not about clean or sketchy, those are ratings regarding a tricks execution, if the goal is not completed those ratings are irrelevant. Either he switch Ollied it or he didn’t. The zooming and analysis is necessary because it’s deceptive, I don’t think he made it.

1

he did not ollie over the whole top of that table, which is fine as long as he does not pretend like he did…

Smee Gain

Tyshawn undeniably went over that table. No amount of hair-splitting pseudo controversy invalidates that. To say there is doubt approaches Alex Jones level chicanery. You're literally measuring shadows and highlights at a 1000x zoom, watching video of him doing something and demanding better and more video of him doing the same thing. The next time someone goes over a table switch better you can then say, 'that was cleaner than Tyshawn' and everyone else will say 'ok.'

Jordan Seth Silver

If he could’ve gone over the table he would have, but he couldn’t so he didn’t

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Ok do you think he landed before the end of the table? Because I think that the issue is that he’s landed going over the seat rather than the table. But yeah I get what you’re saying there shouldn’t be a question mark especially in such an obvious SOTY bid.

Zak Wheaton

logic and rationality is a dying breed.

Frontside shitslide

This is the correct answer.

Jason

good lord, I haven't seen someone double down that hard when they know they are wrong since mikey alfred.

Frontside shitslide

ted's mental gymnastics to justify tyshawns sketchiness was a far more impressive maneuver than the "switch ollie" Imo.

Frontside shitslide

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Frontside shitslide

Frontside shitslide

No lol he started from the centerish and finished on the side. It’s shorter he didn’t go from one corner to the opposite corner. Like idk man I feel like everyone is deluding themselves the truth is so obvious to me

1

I feel like the table is kind of a Leap of Faith situation. It’s not a perfect make, but it’s at the outer edge of what we know as possible. I think that’s what Ted meant by suspense and I kinda agree.

Caro

Even if he ollied diagonally across the table that would make the distance he covered further than if he ollied straight across it. Could make a pretty simple diagram explaining this.

Zak Wheaton

its fine on my laptop but the patreon player is fucked up on mobile

Aiden S

I had the same feeling when I binged the primitive video first try all the way through expecting 30 angles of Carlos’s swbs nose blunt, only to get one quick fisheye angle of a clearly un-locked blunt that drifted completely off the ledge

matt

ted was lying through his teeth lmaoooo he did not clear that table

Ben Ryland

TJ went to the side but it’s still an NBD.

Ted

youtube is better because it's easier to stream. had to leave the living room and come put this on my PC etc. or watch on phone screen. The video played though so that's cool!

Dan -

Is anyone excited for his board company? I'm interested to see what the graphics will look like

Bray Raab

i agree with you about the switch ollie not counting because i don't think i would count t-funks ollie if he landed on the flat over the opposite corner instead of back in the bank -- i see those as sorta equivalent to each other

Triston Mendoza-Werner

hahaha

Bray Raab

Also at the end to say that you don’t think tyshawn is very creatively talented but saying in the beginning that hardies is dope, which I agree with, seems like kinda mixed feelings. By no means am I calling Tyshawn a genius but the stuff on hardies is cool to me cuz he makes t shirts that are pretty cool while also making stuff that’s so crazy basically only he and KB could pull it off basically gatekeeping everyone else who is smart enough to know it’s a difficult style to pull off while making it accessible to anyone daring enough to try.

Hunter L

This is what happens when you don't want to pay 700k for a real filmer

coliseum

For sure I feel you

Hunter L

Personally more of a fan of YouTube because of how you can modify the playback speed but it doesn’t really make a difference

Hunter L

There was a second filmer on the grassy knoll

Galen Knowles

Thank god for someone being honest about that switch ollie. Landing on the opposite side of that line makes it really obvious that wasn't a make.

JP

Idk he's obviously skilled and a freak of nature just watching him doesn't inspire me to skate 🤷🏾‍♂️ different strokes and what not 😂

Frontside shitslide

lollllll

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😴

Frontside shitslide

The video itself plays just fine 🙏🏾

Frontside shitslide

#TEAMTABLE😤😤

Theodore Barrow

The man who nollie hardflips up a 6 stair?

Hunter L

I find tyshawns skating pretty boring personally

Frontside shitslide

I can do YouTube again, just wanted to see how this works

1

Just double tapped 🙌👍

Jake

Also trying Patreon video player so let me know if it all works

1

i knew u was lying about ryan lay🤣🤣🤣

yoloboy

Real trapoholics

Schuyler Micare

Lfggg

Schuyler Micare

U crazy for this one

Patrick Salone