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Responding 2 Dowdy/ Reflection

This is the prequel to the Tyshawn situation, in the end Dowdy was pulling the strings all along. 

Nyjah soon, gimme a sec

Responding 2 Dowdy/ Reflection

Comments

Stop teasing and hit those drums!

Blessed Tatertots

he has a pretty big audience, hes not using joa

grady

Why spend so much town time on this kook? Why does he matter? What did I miss? He just seems very burnt out and vapid. I feel like you fell into a very obvious trap. Some guy with no followers use your popularity to stir up a feud. Then you’d let him set the dialogue and spend too much time answering unfounded allegations/opinions.

Mathieu deSchutter

THA GIFTED H8R!

bigwavebandit805

Do you have any plans to review the original Deathwish video? Id pay some bones to see that.

Christian Atkins

Zach is just not that clever

Sol Zero

I’ve met Zack and he’s a good guy. He’s a bit too earnest for some but in terms of doing things for the scene I think he’s done good stuff- putting up DIYs and posting their locations or showing people how to make DIYs.

Nick

Dowdy puts out youth pastor vibes

Members Lonely

Hell yeah! Hope you've been doing well brotha!!

Jason Marshall

Tonight, soon as I get home, it’s edited I just have nowhere to upload lol, I’ve been editing in the car cuz Ryan’s over and we street skating

1

when's next vid getting posted Joa?

Jason Marshall

Local joe is running circles around you bro

Kason Haar

More Nyjah content💯🗣

Dodgerammed420

SOS GH we need content

Olan Phatt

Time drop by chance?

Olan Phatt

I appreciate the response boss. Xx

Marley Vandenboom

I’ve got a video recorder that I’ll be uploading very soon

1

Just curious to hear what you thought about the god awful filming of strobeck on the new supreme video, he really butchered the tyshawn ender.

Einherjar

Yeah I started privating the streams for that reason, but that’s my clip channel

1

Its so many accounts posting your clips these days its hard to keep track. I mainly go here and the giftedhater channel on youtube.

Einherjar

Yeah it’s my channel lol

1

Giftedhaterclips is official?

Einherjar

Nyjah review is on giftedhaterclips channel

1

Tyshawn video tomorrow

1

I miss just miss you Joa

Marley Vandenboom

Where is all the content 😓 jah review, 2 new tyshawn parts, Louie vid, t funk vid. You claimed soty race was content time

Marley Vandenboom

Zack is not the sharpest edge on the skatetool

Didrik Høyum-Thomasen

actually wouldn't be bothered if he won this year but would somehow make 2019 feel worse lol

Jerry Seinfeld

The only thing that would bother me about Tyshawn winning Soty is that he already won in 2019(?) and I feel like it was not super deserved that year tbh. I think Evan smith got robbed (I heard somewhere he might’ve turned it down tho). Not sure how to articulate it but his year this year compared to his 2019 is night and day. He’s put out much more and Is skating at a higher lever. Idk if that’s just me. Either way won’t be mad whoever takes it this year

Jerry Seinfeld

No prob dog, just needed that part commentary before they crown Jah SOTY

Pete Currie

Not ur fault wasn’t the usual schedule last week

1

Oh damn, my bad. That's for the clarification!

Pete Currie

It’s on YouTube giftedhaterclips

1

Did I miss this Jah part review as well?

Pete Currie

thanks, didn’t know if there was gonna be a new doc for december

Jared Schomberg

tysm

saïd

On the post titled vod doc, you can also copy and paste this link: https://vimeo.com/777888252

1

where

saïd

It’s up!! Vimeo link

1

Plz joa I need the content

Jared Schomberg

need new vod link im itching for this tyshawn drama

yadungoofedkid

It’s up rn but I think it’s blocked in some countries, it’ll be on Vimeo tomorrow I’m not home

1

Can we get that vod on vimeo or summin?

Shredsi

FIFA

Jimbo

Last vid was blocked

Kason Haar

Keep up the good work Joa! Love the streams and edits on these SOTY vids Supreme seizure inducing snooze fest edit coming soon? Kinda listened on stream to both T-funk and Supreme as I rushed to work but I wasn’t watching. Jah 4 SOTY!

Rama

must watch element ESP vol 2 and Jante 11:00 on stream or upload streams if you have already. i mean if you wanna he he - distinguished hater

Coinstar

I’m editing the vod for YouTube rn It’ll be up tonight

1

Vod update would be Legitness

Travis Frey

its me who just added you on discord, i’ll hit u up right now. and sorry for butchering your name btw

loris

Hit me up on IG or Discord if you're not automatically added/seeing the "Gifted Hater" server in your server list. It should be automatic 👍

tristen schern

It’s supposed to just add you automatically

1

Hmmm send him a message on IG or discord

1

i know im late as hell but i just upgraded to distinguished and I linked my discord but i didnt receive any sort of invite, should I just add Tristan on there and wait for him to sort this out? thanks lads

loris

this shit is getting me hot

Will LaCosta

What are you referring to?

Nick Redwine

That’s all totally fair. I’m not saying you should get on your YouTube soap box and start beating a drum for something you don’t believe in. But I think if you think someone has some fucked up beliefs, that you don’t agree with then not calling them out on that for the sake of remaining “apolitical” is ultimately kind of whack. For better or worse every single thing that a person experiences is influenced on some level by this stuff so I think it’s better everybody tries and deprogram themselves from thinking of these kinds of issues as partisan, left/right political ideologies when they mostly just boil down to personal autonomy and treating others fairly. I do think you have a better understanding of this than most though. But I also agree that you’ve got a good lane that’s worth sticking to, but there is just an absolute void of punditry when it comes to the skate world in general so all of us wretched little hobgoblins need you to tick a lot of very different boxes for us all.

Nature Table

i don't think the zack dowdy is saying anything here. just comes off as a youtuber using some loose idea to try to make a video. also, no one ever needs to say "subjective opinion" X(

angcient_rock

I think I’m most useful politically speaking by showing how injustices manifest in skateboarding, people can extrapolate those concepts into their general life.

1

I understand the logic 100% behind what you and shredsi are saying, but it’s also saying that all content needs to have some political alignment or affiliation. I built my audience based off mostly apolitical videos, so once I reach a certain number or status I have to transition my videos to overtly political content? If I go into explaining why Mikey Taylor is bad for being alt right, I also have to explain why being pro life is wrong and all of a sudden I’m researching extremely contentious issues in this country when I’m a YouTube channel about skateboarding. I think the gap between those two things is a massive leap and I would be taking on something that’s not appropriate for my audience. I can do girls in skateboarding and research that because it’s directly related to my area of knowledge and it is affecting the skateboarding community in a direct and obvious way. Randomly going on some tyrade about Mikey Taylor being alt right is so specific and of no immediate consequence to people in skateboarding. It’s such a huge issue that eclipses the jurisdiction of my channel I don’t feel personally responsible for tackling it honestly. I didn’t even know what intersectionality was before reading this comment section. I’m not trying to play dumb or anything but right now I just want to cover tyshawn and nyjah because that’s my job and that’s what I’m interested in doing. I do plan on making a video about vans virtue signaling and using queer skaters to modify their branding without giving enough in return. I feel comfortable doing that because its skateboarding industry shit and I know what I’m talking about. Idk enough about the alt right to get on a soap box, I think there’s issues in skating I’m better suited to discuss that need to be addressed before I start making general political content.

1

last twitch vod would be sick yea

Alexander Cantu

Shutup Nick, we haven’t forgotten about your blasphemous behavior.

Austin Manuel

It’s such an extremely American thing to be like “I don’t care about his politics” if it doesn’t immediately affect you. The idea that someone should only stand for something if it can “save American democracy” or that speaking out against right wing dickheads is only for people who are “extremely passionate” is probably why your whole country seems like hell on earth?

Nature Table

He accidentally mega dosed

Mike Teves

https://www.mediafire.com/file/t43tc8l27pp0eu4/Untitled.mp4/file

joey t

HAHA I WISH I COULD’VE SEEN THAT

Awesome Ripper

Nvm

Bincent

"playdead" footy

Bincent

https://youtu.be/ThT_NNVUDHU

Bincent

Will you please upload the vod from the Jah stream? I missed the entire thing and I was really looking forward to it.

Nick Redwine

Intersectionality absolutely includes socio-economic factors. Anybody who disregards them has obviously critically misunderstood the concept.

Caro

wah wah wah, bitch im the baby

loris

I think the worst thing you have going against you is your username. bcause despite it i've yet to see you actually hate on something, when you say you dislike stuff you give reasons why and you encourage people to forge their opinions with the facts that are at their disposal. not really hating imo, so yeah in my eyes your'e not hating on anyone or anything, especially Nyjah. but since you're "The Gifted Hater" people assume you blindly hate on stuff

loris

Think you handled the criticism very well. It also seems to me like Zack did not know what to upload, wanted to put your name in the title for views but did not really thought about his arguments as they were really poor. I sometimes „fear“ that you change your content because of idiots like these😀even the whole Tyshawn drama was fun to watch and all but calling you a racist (even if it was a joke) and his whole insta activities surrounding that were so dumb…

Felix K.

Sorry dude, but the only line I've crossed is the receding one on Zachs forehead

Skatepark Reality

It’s funny how he says you live in orange county in a tone as if you live in Newport Beach or something lol. Ive been robbed in orange county it has nice parts and bad parts same as anywhere else. Ever heard of Anaheim or Santa Ana? I don’t even live in Orange county but I just thought it’s weird he mentioned that as if you live in a beach house or something.

Habeas

The term “intersectionality” has been hijacked by a lot of tumblr dumbasses but in its original sense it absolutely does include consideration of class and economic factors. See Kimberlé Crenshaw’s paper “Mapping the Margins” if you’re interested in the academic origins of the term

Donny Toothpicks

Is there another worthwhile skate channel that speaks truth to power/bullshit and doesn't grovel at the industry's feet? So far Joa is the closest one I've found. And I don't think you have to be an expert to use your platform for political messages. A lot of what Joa does is already informed by political values and beliefs more universal than skating. And he's obviously very good at it, which is rare (and the reason I'm not doing it myself besides a one-year old and work)

Shredsi

GH offers subjective opinions, but he is often objective (Nyjah, for example). Or you say things that are semi-ironic and humorous. I'm sure some kids see a semi-ironic comment as sincere. But what can you do about that?

WBalls

Please don't clump us old heads with that kook. I beg of you.

JP

The type of change and difference you want to make requires being extremely passionate and informed about this stuff. Joa is that way about skateboarding's intricacies and that's why his videos work. Maybe he could educate himself and feel the need to make content about it but it's not something you can force. If you want that stuff, I'm sure you can look at other parts of youtube or better yet, make your own channel. I get you want this brought to the forefront but you can't force or fake your passion or it won't work.

JP

Obliveated

Austin Manuel

Nerds. Yeah Mikey’s movements weren’t neutralized by anything but his shitty personality and decisions. Traits that were nurtured by his privileged upbringing and the yes men it bred in his inner circle until they woke up.

Austin Manuel

Dowdy is clout-chasing you by using your likeness in his video title. It's good you're A-Political bc both parties' policies are "hands off the billionaires that exploit our society & the earth's resources." Skaters are anarchists by nature, so why would they align with any political party? In a way, the lesser evil is the more effective evil. Mikey Alfred is an example of exploitive capitalist values. Don't give someone like that a pass bc they're black.

WBalls

And yes some people specifically wanted to hear what I had to say in response

1

No I get that, it’s also though that I’m a lot bigger than Zach is so my publicly owning him or something isn’t that necessary u know. Like i probably should’ve just ignored the whole thing but idk I had the video and like I said just putting content on the internet for my patrons.

1

All the arguments are good here. It's just none of the people that need to hear it have access to the video. But I get why it's here now so all good.

JP

To be fair I and some others were asking for it specifically

Shredsi

Wow this is all going on my reading list asap thank you! I'm assuming your leaving Fishers Vampire Castle essay of this list is because he went a little overboard on some stuff? It's the essay that was my (and I'm sure many other's) introduction to the identity politics vs class consciousness (= solidarity) line of thinking. But reading it again today it does have some cringey moments

Shredsi

Zonky Zach Dowdy= obliterated

artymcchicken

Hey I realize I'm in the minority on this, but thats why I write long ass comments trying to make my point. I care deeply about this issue and I believe in this case the majority is wrong (my ex fascist country origin story bla bla). As to your points, Mikey Taylor is the definition of "shit in skateboarding" that should be called out. And Joa saying he doesn't care - he does. He clearly fucking does. If Mikey Taylor has indeed signed on to a far right political ticket, then he is the Antichrist to everything Joa represents: fair treatment of women and queer people? - politics! calling people like Mikey Alfred out on their privilege - politics! going against invasive mega corporate Business Strategies a la Cariuma - politics! The thing that's making me so irate is that most of you along with Joa seem to operate under the assumption that his current line of content and some more politically overt stances are incompatible. Why?! I think they would go together wonderfully. This weird reflex to talk and act in a manner that is often very political but insist at full force that politics don't interest you / isn't "what you do", all while living in a democracy, makes so little sense to me, is such an obvious paradox, that I'm repeatedly stunned by how casually it is said and accepted. Maybe it's the continental divide, maybe I'm lost in my progressive "echo chamber" (cheers dowdy!)

Shredsi

Are those your drums in the background? I've been wondering that the past few streams but wasn't sure if they're your dads or something. Just curious, i play drums and would definitely be interested in seeing you play.

Nick Redwine

Let me have a little YouTube drama every once in a while

1

HPVX🤣🤣

Steve Berra

Drop a fucking drum solo already

Leopold

btw he made a follow up video a few days ago where he kept calling you Jonah, and then he unlisted and deleted it after about an hour bc everyone in the comments was saying that he was clickbaiting your name

Victoria

Echo chamber

Benjamin Coyle

I don’t think we should expect him to make a video in the hopes that it could change the American political system lol. His videos are about calling shit out in skateboarding and making fun of shit in the industry, and he’s been pretty clear about not making his videos political when he can. Also you said he’s being a coward about it and having an “out of sight, out of mind” mentality when he says in this video that he doesn’t care about Mikey Taylor’s politics. I think people that watch his channel would much rather watch a video about one of the most popular skaters in the world doing an Ollie over a table than discussing the policies of a guy running for mayor who used skate.

Benjamin Coyle

I don’t know why the gifted hater is responding to this guy but I’m glad the gifted hater did. The gifted hater runs the gifted hater channel. I like the way the gifted hater runs the gifted hater channel. I don’t need the gifted hater channel to be about anything beyond what the gifted hater wants to talk about.

Daniel Gallant

Gifted's content is turning into high school drama and I did not sign up for this.

Armin Halvadžić

So just for entertainment purposes I guess

1

Word. I just found myself thinking, "I wish he could hear these arguments." But yes, feel free to drop stuff that have no home here.

JP

I’d already recorded it a week ago, it was nullified after my tyshawn vids. it’s just a video I made that I liked but had no home

1

I get the impulse to make this video but releasing this to us and not Zack or his fans seems pointless tbh

JP

I’m also pretty sure you came out with the video before Bryan

porter tomkins

Didn’t think it was possible for someone to use the word echo-chamber that many times

Connor

this guy is an absolute tool but so glad he made that video. diamonds are made under pressure baby

Cole

If you want a more comprehensive approach to future conversations on the identity politics, privilege vs. blackness etc. front, i'd recommend checking out Asad Haider's Mistaken Identity where "[H]e argues that identity politics is not synonymous with anti-racism, but instead amounts to the neutralization of its movements. It marks a retreat from the crucial passage of identity to solidarity, and from individual recognition to the collective struggle against an oppressive social structure.": https://www.versobooks.com/books/2716-mistaken-identity https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/31/mistaken-identity-by-asad-haider-review Or Jodi Dean's Comrade where she critiques the concept of "allyship" within the identity politics movement: "Those taken to share an identity are presumed to share a politics, as if the identity were obvious and the politics didn't need to be built" https://www.versobooks.com/books/3060-comrade https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/review/jodi-dean-comrade/

Joshua Jiang

Zack dowdy is an anagram for oldhead

Skatepark Reality

Zack just destroyed his YouTube skate career

Austin Manuel

Haters hating on the hater 🤦🏾‍♂️

Kedrick Bryant

The top a political, cancelled (but not really) skater that calls people out on their bs.

Kedrick Bryant

take a drink every time zach says "echo chamber" dear god dude

Johnnybaby4ever

Fuck zack dowdy, talk more shit about mikey, the horse is still twitching

CarharttFinalBoss

A)Mikey Taylor is a figure in skateboarding. B) In a democracy it is every citizens job, to their ability, to save it. It's at the very heart of the whole idea.

Shredsi

His job is commenting on skateboarding. Not trying to save American democracy.

Antonín Záhorka

I think class consciousness may be the term here. Intersectionality doesn't really touch on economic factors within identity groups, which is why capitalism loves it much better than it loves Marx, even though is theory is way more accurate and simple.

Shredsi

It’s called intersectionality, Zach, look it up🙄

Caro

The top G 😤

shoelacebelt

I’m find it annoyingly fascinating that he says he liked you in the beginning because you made the industry be more accountable with your critiques, then turned around and said that you shouldn’t say anything that might affect actual outcomes in the industry. Pick a lane dude.

Caro

Dowdy is a fool but damn are you off on the Mikey Taylor topic. The far-right is not a thing you can be neutral on, take that from a German who's studied his own country's history. The way you are rationalising your own cowardice (sorry but it just is) on the matter and how most of your viewers on here seem to agree with it - a mixture of "out of sight out of mind" and horseshoe rationalisation - is exactly what went on in Europe in the late 20s and early 30s. As much as I love nerdy stuff like Tyshawn's table, using your platform to hold skateboarding accountable to basic constitutional values by confronting somebody like Mikey Taylor is MUCH more important! Case in point: I thought Mikey was just a harmless finance bro fool because my only point of contact with him was your hateline episode. Only Dowdy including useless-wooden-knowledge's screenshots in his video and me watching your response to it actually gave me the information to realize that he is part of a super dangerous movement that is about to topple your country (and with it change all of geopolitics). You are big enough at this point to make a difference where it REALLY matters. I'm not saying stop calling out kookery like incomplete tricks or deluded Mikey Alfred's. But also be "edgy" in the best sense and stand against those in skateboarding who are guilty of much more egregious fuckwittery than handing a blunt to a teen or finessing Thrasher covers. You're very good at constructing an argument and making it entertaining, employing that against an anti-abortion, racist-befriending, housing-speculating pro-skater-turned-politician should be well within your league.

Shredsi

Great video. Interesting to see this random youtuber call you out, to me almost seems like he's trying too hard to be a contrarian since your channel has grown and I believe you're generally liked by most skaters. But you hit the nail on the head with the responses toward his points, it's nice to see you not go apeshit like most people would in response to a callout but to form concise points as to why he is incorrect. I'm also really glad you never made a video about the Mikey Taylor shit, politics is a shitfest these days and it's honestly super cringe when political stuff gets dragged into shit that has nothing to do with it. Thanks for posting this despite you considering it old news as I think it's a good reflection of your character.

brad

Drinking game that gets you wasted

Mike Teves

Just finished the last 10 mins and it is evident that Zack Dowdy doesn’t know what the terms “privilege,” “subjective,” or “echo chamber” actually mean

Donny Toothpicks

Anybody that uses this many misnomers (pidgeon-holding) is not firing on all cylinders, which is totally fine but he shouldn’t be bringing his mental knife to the gunfight.

Peepee la Poo

I dont think this guy is worth the time. He’s clearly a big dumbdumb.

Peepee la Poo

ok sorry for triple commenting but there is lots to discuss…from the way i see it, your fans such as me like your content because it addresses the bullshit that skaters also think is bullshit but don’t want to step in front of a camera to talk about. it’s also highly digestible: no music, no youtube gimmicks, just conversation. as an adult, love it. sure, the nine club is catered to adults, but…”who cares”, as the new GH chat buzzphrase goes. to be fully honest, i think that you explaining your points is not what drives me to watch your videos. i mean, some of this stuff is plain as day that it’s stupid. that being said, i think it’s a really intelligent approach to explain everything because it sure covers your ass. so keep doing it for sure, but i just wanna say i don’t feel like that’s what makes your content good per se. it’s your dry, no-bullshit approach, your on-screen charisma, your attention to detail when picking apart BS, very good sense of humor, and most importantly, HOT TOPICS!

Awesome Ripper

also i was going to comment that as a critic making fun of loads of people you need to be prepared to take criticism well yourself, but thinking about it, the stuff you responded to with passion was pretty justified: dumb data’s random insertion of you in his vid and his godawful sense of humor, and now this uninformed, out-of-nowhere Dowdy…I’d be pissed too.

Awesome Ripper

dude i do have to say it’s always refreshing to see someone critiquing the critic. NOW, that being said, LMAO this dude did not do his research whatsoever. talking straight out of his ass 😂. does he even watch your videos? him calling you “The Gifted Hater” is evidence that he does not know you or your content as well as he pretends to. calling you out for “clout” but i’m really thinking he wanted clout himself from his video. if he didn’t, perhaps he should have disclosed that the video isn’t monetized! like someone we know did…😉

Awesome Ripper

well said! keep it up joa :)

Awesome Ripper

I understand GH on a deeper level now.

Rene

there is nothing more frustrating than arguing with someone who has a fundamental misunderstanding about the topic at hand and listening to them babble on. not saying dowdy is stupid but uploading this type of "serious talk" vid without fact checking is pretty fucking stupid

Kevvo

The amount of buzz words in his video are insane someone count how many times he said echo chamber in 10 min

Carlos

i been waiting for someone to punk this fool

danny volk

This is almost as bad as eccentric Milo's video

Jonathan iannuzzi

"this is my subjective opinion, I don't think I'm right, I don't think I'm wrong". this typa dude

Coinstar

joa is fine with YouTube not working out because he will just become a full-time drummer

Aidan Ellsworth

Spill the tea pls🙏🏻

friedtothemarrow

Dude just learned the phrase “echo chamber”

Victoria

Zack Doody Pants would get mopped in a game of skate

friedtothemarrow

hi joa

luke p

Haha, I study philosophy as well and I agree with you

Coleman Mummery

I’m sure this comment has been made before a billion times but damn you really are a gifted ass hater (non-derogatory). Your ability to break down arguments premise by premise and generate objections and counterexamples on the fly is very impressive. I’m a philosophy PhD student and, while this might sound absurd, your videos sometimes remind me stylistically of my professors’ lectures. I know you’ve talked about not doing well in high school and shit before but it’s clearly not a matter of your intelligence. Keep up the good work man

Donny Toothpicks

This Zach is weak as fuck boy come take notes

Bluntslideofdoom

Talking about chasing views while making a video with gifted hater in the title

holden4565

Jah just whispers "me" every time im thinking of soty

Jake

Need that

Frontside shitslide

i was there 😲

yoloboy


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