One Piece Ep 180 Full Reaction!
Added 2024-06-09 15:30:01 +0000 UTC
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I just dont it though, you say you love DBZ when literally no characters death is ever real in that show. DBZ literally has zero stakes because of dragon balls.
Mahuloq
2025-02-13 07:28:32 +0000 UTCIt's all about the character's journey and not the end results IMO.
EgregiousGrievous
2024-06-11 00:13:19 +0000 UTCJust keep in mind that the One Piece fandom is not filled with people who think the fake-out deaths are great. One Piece fandom is filled with people who, like you, think the fake-out deaths are complete bullshit and kept watching anyways.
Highly Educated Trucker
2024-06-10 13:54:34 +0000 UTCMan, I keep saying to myself I'm not going to type a novel... even if no one reads any of the rest of this, please know that I love your reactions and really hope you keep watching One Piece despite how ti's going to continue to disappoint you in the fight/death department. I don't really view that as a spoiler; I view that as a warning to steel your resolve. I don't really understand saying fights don't matter at all if the only consequences are emotional rather than physical. Isn't that why people fight? The fights can be long because Oda thinks they're cool (and I agree with him; I want to watch people with wacky powers do ridiculous things). They show struggle. They show growth. They show the clash of ideals. I can understand saying you wish there were also physical consequences; but I don't understand saying the fights don't matter at all. From another direction... "Look at what Wyper was willing to do for his dreams." That still stands though; Wyper himself expected using the reject to kill him. Wyper was absolutely prepared to die. Yet it did not kill him; does that diminish his resolve? Narratively, I sympathize with feeling like the weight was stolen. But in universe, his actions carry the same weight, and his survival has no bearing on what his actions tell us about his character. Personally, the only time I ever had an issue with the lack of death / fakeout deaths was Pell. I was mad about that one. But when that happened, I took it as Oda telling me "stop expecting characters to die. They don't" so it hasn't bothered me since (that's not quite true; there was a single instance in a very recent arc that rubbed me the wrong way). I really think you're gonna have a hard time if you can't overlook / accept / make peace with how One Piece treats fights / death. No matter how much we, the audience, know that the characters in One Piece can't die, that will never stop them from believing that they can. The characters will take actions with the knowledge that it might kill them (even though we know it won't). I don't think this is that different from most stories (and Shounen specifically) having an unspoken understanding that the main character will always survive no matter what. One Piece just applies it more broadly. I would actually argue that One Piece handles it better than most shounen, because in my opinion it does replace the "you might die" narrative stakes with character-driven stakes ridiculously effectively. But yes, that's just one of the odd contradictions of One Piece; no matter how many things they survive, the characters will always think the next one might kill them. That is simply how the One Piece world works. Further, I maintain that the point of fights in One Piece is to inform us about characters. The fights are always about characters, or establishing future character interactions. Wyper was ready to die to kill Eneru; this informs us of his character. Further, the fact that Zoro is going to survive doesn't mean that Eneru didn't inflict serious pain and suffering on him. If you try to murder someone and fail, that's still murder. (Though I do have to include the caveat that, yes, some fights in One Piece are just there to be cool/epic/fun. But most of them have character impact!) But at the end of the day, Luffy doesn't fight to kill people; Luffy fights to defeat their ideals/goals/dreams. He doesn't need to kill the person if he can kill their dreams. This is what happened in Jaya; Luffy didn't fight Bellamy not only because Shanks taught him not to escalate, but because Bellamy was empty. He was a man without dreams. Effectively, already dead inside. From Luffy's perspective, there was nothing he could do to bring Bellamy lower. He was already nothing. Trying to engage with the story how Oda wants to tell it, and being okay with the lack of character death, has been really fun for me. But I understand it's weird. If it just really doesn't mesh with how you enjoy stories, I do sincerely hope you continue One Piece despite that. It continues to be really good :<
jahschwa
2024-06-10 04:45:50 +0000 UTCI have less of a problem with characters who are down and out getting up later to do things again than I do with them never falling in the first place. Wiper absolutely should not be standing at the end of this episode
Illjwamh
2024-06-09 22:55:53 +0000 UTCI think Nerdy has been plenty generous to Skypeia and has appreciated all of the redeeming aspects of the arc. But I knew from his specific (and justified) criticisms of Alabasta that this would be the exact same thing around this point in time. Luffy sidelined inside a snake forever - nearly a third of the arc at this point - is arguably even worse than getting sidelined in a similar manner in Alabasta due to taking major damage from a Shichibukai, which is at least a reasonable excuse for an extended absence. I think this is safe to discuss to an extent because of what Nerdy is remarking on now. Maybe the perception of Skypeia being the "worst" arc/saga is mostly because it falls into all of the same narrative pitfalls as Alabasta with even more chaff (more episodes) and without the benefit of the strong emotional and character tether of someone like Vivi to help ground it. Again, not to say there's nothing redeeming about Skypeia or that things from it aren't important to the story or wider setting, but it's a pretty divisive and demanding section of the series for all of those reasons expressed in this reaction.
Chinadian
2024-06-09 18:31:00 +0000 UTCI will say you are right in that some of the survival of characters is an issue as are the consequences of actions narratively. That being said yes the fights are important and so are the stakes of the fights, unfortunately skypiea is not a good example of this, it is generally considered to be the worst saga in One Piece. The stuff like wiper and the reject dial and the dragging out of the plot to a crawl are the main detractors. That being said the plot in itself has its good points so please just try and enjoy the good stuff in the plot and the general absurdity of it. Please try not to let this ark ruin your opinion of One Piece, especially the next saga that one is awesome. I will say though whatever you do SKIP the FOXY arc. Pay careful attention to the episodes when you do it, but that even though it is mostly in the manga it is skippable and has little to no bearing on non filler
Brian Glatt
2024-06-09 18:12:42 +0000 UTC
