Arcane Ep 2x7 Full Reaction!
Added 2024-11-25 01:27:36 +0000 UTC
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If Jayce had died alongside Vi, they would've shown it. Arcane isn't the type of show to skip on those kinds of significant details. Heimerdinger also isn't the type of person to do a coverup after a kid dies so I don't find this explanation plausible. Heimerdinger and Ekko wouldn't have any reason to consult this timeline's version of Jayce since he didn't invent hextech - they probably know more about it than him and clearly didn't need his assistance.
GuiltySpark
2024-11-28 06:22:58 +0000 UTCJayce's research didn't kill Vi, her own recklessness did. In S1 EP 9 he actually kills a kid while in combat, albeit by accident, and isn't even remotely suicidal about it. He was suicidal because he got expelled and couldn't complete his life's ambition. Yes, the council was probably harsher on Jayce in this timeline, which is why it's unlikely he succeeded in his suicide attempt. Rather than expulsion, he was probably imprisoned because Vi got herself killed. However, the REAL reason this timeline is better is most likely because the kids got caught. They never managed to escape into the undercity, resulting in enforcers chasing after them and raising tensions between Zaun and Topside. As a result, Silco never weaponized shimmer and went to war with Vander for control, resulting in Vander's death and Jinx being adopted by Silco and then blowing up the council. You're just looking for an excuse to blame Jayce, probably out of resentment for him getting Vander and Isha killed. Yet, his decision was rational, as we saw the end result of Viktor's "glorious evolution." By contrast, Vi is the one responsible for the events that escalated the tensions between Zaun and Topside all because she wanted to be cool. She's also the one who got Jinx "killed" unnecessarily in the series finale. If anyone ruins everything, it's Vi.
GuiltySpark
2024-11-28 06:18:49 +0000 UTCWhat's different in this world is a number of different things, from what's both said and implied. First, of course, is that Silco most likely found Vander's letter in their old hideout. This causes them to reconcile after the attempted murdering and all, which means Silco likely gets better medical treatment for the toxins that had seeped into his eye, which means that he doesn't financially back shimmer production in order to stave off the continuing infection and slow death he faced in the canonical show. No backing of shimmer production means Singed remains an underground street doc scraping by to survive and doing relatively few experiments, and it definitely means no vast population of shimmer addicts in the current day. Second, Vi (and probably Jayce) die in the explosion. Marcus finds the kids in shock and Vi dead, and so there's no presumption from the beginning that these were Zaunite terrorists blowing up a building - just innocent kids who broke in to take a thing or two and who triggered a highly dangerous scientific experiment by mistake. The Council doesn't go all crusade-y, Marcus (and the rest of the Enforcers, since Grayson doesn't die at the hands of a shimmer-overdosed street thug and so continues to provide an honorable role model and a under-the-table dialogue with Vander to keep the peace) doesn't get radicalized enough to crack down hard on the Undercity and turn it into an overt authoritarian police state. Sympathy for the death of an Undercity youth (Vi) by Enforcers and by the general population of Piltover (probably encouraged by the Kirammans, since they'd want to minimize any ill feeling from Zaun for the death of one of their own because of some "deranged Topside inventor") means communication between the two sides becomes better -- evidenced by the open-air market across the bridge and the clear camaraderie between people on both sides of the divide. Third, because Vi died in Jayce's laboratory explosion, there's no break where Powder gets told she's not ready to deal with serious issues and isolated, then tries to prove herself anyways with the hexstones and causes the deaths of Vander, Mylo, and Claggor. She doesn't get struck and (seemingly) abandoned by Vi, she doesn't get raised with Silco's manipulative and paranoid mindset, and she doesn't go further down into the schizophrenic delusions that can overwhelm her. It's not _just_ Vi's death -- but Vi dying early in this universe did change a hell of a lot by cascading events. It's very much a "what could have been" alternative, whereas in the show proper a great many things had to go just wrong enough to bring everything to the breaking point.
M DeVries
2024-11-27 23:20:16 +0000 UTCDefinitely a possibility. I guess it's also theoretically possible that Jayce was exiled from Piltover by the council instead but considering how certain Heimerdinger is that Jayce didn't get sent to the same timeline, I'm guessing Heimerdinger had some way of verifying Jayce wasn't there so he's either alive in Piltover or already dead and frankly I think the evidence points more to him being dead then anything else (I mean, at the very least I find it hard to believe that Ekko and Heimerdinger wouldn't consult with this timeline's version of Jayce if he was available. Now, where Viktor is in the timeline is a mystery. Probably also dead from, y'know, his illness but who knows. It's odd Heimerdinger doesn't even mention him considering he would probably still be his assistant in this timeline tho'. Unless Heimerdinger left the council and academy in the three years he was there which is certainly possible I guess?
Molly McDougal
2024-11-27 23:11:54 +0000 UTCAlternatively, since Jayce was right there outside the door when the explosion happened, it might well have killed him as well as Vi in this universe. As it was in the canon season 1 episode, the blast threw him backwards against the wall and knocked him unconscious, so the chaotic energy of the hexstone explosion could have easily gone a different path here and killed both of them. No Jayce, no explanation of what his research would have been, Heimerdinger purges all the apparatus and notes he'd constructed, and Viktor never goes down the path of hextech at all. The Kirammans deny any knowledge of what he was working on, and everything gets swept under the carpet.
M DeVries
2024-11-27 23:03:23 +0000 UTCUmm Jayce's research killed Vi. Like, the show is pretty clear that in this timeline, Vi died during the explosion when they robbed Jayce and she is a child. Jayce was going to jump when he got expelled from the academy for his research in the OG timeline, what do you think will happen when said research kills a child? Do you think he'll be LESS suicidal? That the Council is going to be more lenient on him somehow?
Molly McDougal
2024-11-27 18:07:05 +0000 UTCThat's a lot of unfounded assumptions. Firstly, since he never invented hextech in this timeline there's no reason to assume he killed a kid and was suicidal. Secondly, nowhere is it stated or implied that he's dead from what I recall. The only one who is clearly stated to be dead is Vi. So, if the show is making a statement about anyone, it's her.
GuiltySpark
2024-11-27 17:58:39 +0000 UTCnowhere really but considering that he never invented hextech in the alternate timeline and his dangerous research killed a child, he probably just killed himself like he was planning to do in episode 2 of the first season before viktor stopped him
Molly McDougal
2024-11-27 12:11:44 +0000 UTCWhere was it stated that Jayce died in the alternate timeline? If anything, the definitive statement was made in regards to Vi more than anyone else.
GuiltySpark
2024-11-27 11:43:55 +0000 UTCThis was my favourite episode so far, I really liked the story with Powder and Ekko. In League of Legends there are about 140 characters at this point. There are a lot of other nations besides Piltovers/Zaun. For example, there is Demacia, which is a feudal monarchy, Noxus (the expansionist warlords), Shurima (desert kingdom), Ionia and Ixtal, which is a magical kingdom. There are a lots of cool stories to tell.
Obediah
2024-11-25 11:47:33 +0000 UTCi mean the alternate universe where he's dead and never invented hextech is an objectively better timeline for one seems a pretty definitive statement by the show about jayce if you ask me
Molly McDougal
2024-11-25 06:57:16 +0000 UTCOk, I'll bite. How does he ruin everything?
Zyrus
2024-11-25 05:58:55 +0000 UTCI mean, the major difference is probably because after his research blew up a building a killed a child, not even Viktor wanted anything to do with Hextech in this timeline so Jayce probably was successful in killing himself like he was about to in the second episode of Season 1. And because Jayce ruins literally everything no Jayce means a better timeline in just about every way.
Molly McDougal
2024-11-25 05:34:29 +0000 UTCAlt-Heimerdinger was in the new universe for around three years and he says that he did a bunch of stuff. A council member and the founder of the city that views the people of the undercity as real people and not just labor is a big deal.
Cailyn
2024-11-25 03:26:41 +0000 UTC
