Episode 041 - This is how the Internet dies

Yes it's a hard thing to balance. My view is more that the technology is neutral, knowledge is neutral. Sanctions should be limited to hard resources and service provision but not restricting access to open protocols. I believe information should be free. I know, I am using a paywall to make this content. But I won't sanction anyone who bypasses it.

The Hated One

I hope I'll do it justice!

The Hated One

I don't know if it was inevitable. Did anybody see this coming in the 1980s and 1990s? When Hacker Manifesto and The Declaration Of The Cyberspace were declared? I personally thought that despite trends towards recentralization of the Web, the Internet was fundamentally permissionless. But it's not necessary the case and the consensus mechanism is fragile.

The Hated One

Yes Intranets are not necessarily bad. However, we should be wary of central control of who is allowed to communicate with who over which protocol.

The Hated One

It will.

The Hated One

Really interesting angle on the current approach to internetional Internet policy. Even though I don't Fully agree with you, you do have an important point. But I think we need to find a Balance between cooperating with authoritarian Regimes over Standards to prevent fragmentation and at the Same time staying true to our values. I think there comes a point where giving up tech neutrality is reasonable. In the case of Ukraine the line has clearly been overstepped in my opinion and it is right do cut him off. yes, it might lead to fragmentation but it will make time for them to transition and i still think that sanctions will work.

CopyCat

This is an interesting direction... I never actually considered this as a possibility, but it makes sense that this would happen. Either way looking forward to the next video, It sounds like it's going to be quite interesting! <3

RogueSurveyor

Wasn't this kinda inevitable tho? We've been seeing this trend in the micro perspective lately, with discussions moving from public pages to private (Facebook groups to Discord comes to mind). This is also the trend for Web3.0, right? Decentralize. It seems like there is something in human nature that wants to limit the scope of our spheres, we're not hard wired to handle being connected to all the other 7 billion people on the planet. I see it as completely impossible to do what the hyper growth people try to do, make a common place that fits everyone. It simply isn't possible to meet everyone's needs without infringing on some other people's. I use these examples as analogous to what's going on in the infrastructure scope. Also, India isn't really that friendly with China, is it? Anyway, can't wait for your video on the topic, very interesting stuff.

dj diskmachine

The only thing I would add is that intranets are not inherently bad. For example in Europe we have the SEPA which is used to transact Euros internationally and quickly for free, and it's a good thing. Interopability should be prioritized over everyone using a single entity which could be faulty, compromised or exploited.

Sakii

The World Wide Web has been arguably on the way out for the last 5 years. New protocols are welcome at this time. The World Wide Web went wrong. I say we fukt it up but it’s not the end. Raspberry pi’s and open source are the way forward for the kind of internet you wanna save.

Keith Levene

One could make an argument that this does not change anything. As Russia was always locked in its own ecosystem: yandex ecosystem, vkontakte, and others, they will still stay in the same ecosystem and that's largely due to the language barrier of the population, not necessarily external technological limitations imposed upon the country. It's not like they were widely using western technology products. Same or even more strongly goes for China, they can't even open twitch, youtube or any other western website without going through VPN, which is also to a large extent regulated. And then again, it's hard to find a China man who's fluent in English and has a genuine interest in diving into any Western ecosystems, I guess internal government policies are to be blamed for it. Also, it's not like majority of Russian population has been doing business outside Russia aside from big-name government monopolies and oligarchs. They had the convenience of using SWIFT, they might fully lose it, and they will use something else. Of course, this makes a precedent for a dystopian scenario, where countries in the west might start blocking each other in one way or another, but that also has been happening on a legal plane. I.e. E.U. or individual countries forcing a specific company to abide by new rules and make regional changes to either user privacy, or search results.

Joseph

This won’t effect bitcoin.

Keith Levene

Is this the death of the internet or the World Wide Web?

Keith Levene

Good look, Russia, with trading your worthless Rubels for Chinese Yuan. Abnd for India it would be suicide to disconnect themselves from the international standards. Which IT company would continue to make business with India if they decided to make their own thing?