Questions for Dune Club Session 10

Session 11 comment: more a comment. I listen to the book on audible because I had a traumatic brain injury that caused damage to the part that processes written word properly. So the first time listening to Paul reunite with Gurney I remember thinking "wtf. That's way more emotional than I would think this reunion would be." But my second time through in reminded of some of my old friends. The ones who remember me before my injury. Before the PTSD. Before I became a fractured consciousness. And everytime I see one of those old friends I feel like a puppy who's owner most came home from work. Like, for a short time I am the Heath that wrote poetry and shirt stories that moved people's hearts. So, I think of Paul, awakened abd tuned into universal consciousness, but when Gurney shows up, for a moment, he could just be Paul, talented, optimistic son of the Duke who can laugh and be totally in the now moment. You grow to cherish those relationships as life takes you into new volumes of your personal legend. Do you have a friend or two who brings you back to the younger self within? Aren't they priceless?

For Session 11: With Paul's reunion with Gurney it's kind of like that phenomenon in life when we go away from our hometown and come back or meet and old relative we haven't seen for years and have changed. I like seeing how Gurney finds little things to note how Paul is different from his father (such as noting how Paul worries about the equipment when some of Gurney's men have been killed). Then later we see how one of Gurney's men was a Sarduakar agent, in a way underscoring the wisdom of Paul's judgment. I like how Frank Herbert's reintroduction of Gurney has given us something to contrast how much Paul has grown since the start of the book.

Weird Dune synchronicity: There is so much of an emphasis on the importance of water and discipline in the Fremen culture and I got a taste of a real-life version of these concepts when I went to Burning Man this year; you have to bring all of your own water (all of everything you will need to camp for a week) and you must leave no trace when you leave - you bring everything back with you and leave the Black Rock desert in pristine condition... 70 000 people in one city for a week, no garbage cans and no garbage). Also: BM is a wild, futuristic, psychedelic, artistic event that practices inclusion, immediacy and a giving economy which feels like it has many parallels with the Fremen culture.

Lucas Fehr

Question: OC Bible contains elements from 'the most ancient religions, including the Maometh Saari, Mahayana Christianity, Zensunni Catholicism and Buddislamic traditions... ' which, among other clues, suggests that the 'Dun-iverse' takes place in the far, far (far!) future. Next to the 'Metabarons', have you ever read another story that constructed with this concept of deep time? - (Aside Note: Brandon Graham's re-boot of Rob Liefeld's 'Prophet' is the only other story that gives me the same feeling of a universe existing in deep time. I'm sure it was heavily influenced by Dune).

Lucas Fehr

I love your mindset and work. I appreciate the fact that you're the most open-minded person I have had the opportunity to observe, and I've met quite a few open-minded people but I didn't appreciate the meaning of it until you began Dune club. You have much respect from me for it and when I am not as poor as I am I will support you with more than the 1$ I am currently contributing. On another note, I read the whole thing back in May and was re reading it again and found SO many things I had missed so I continued reading (as you covered each session) and even surpassed where you were with the weekly installments and could see things from a whole new perspective in no small part thanks to you. However, I wanted to wait a few weeks so that I can keep on reading it and then binge watch your reviews and Q&As but I don't know where to find them. I can only find session 9&10 on twitch but where are the Q&As for session 7, 8 and even 10?

Is there a deeper meaning to Harah telling Jessica that her rug is dirty and she should clean it more? Like telling her to clean her own closet before telling others to clean theirs? It seems subtle but deep because it Harah.

Princess Irulan quotes Paul as saying: "Yet it is possible to see peril in the finding of ultimate perfection. It is clear that the ultimate pattern contains its own fixity. In such perfection, all things move toward death." Is he referring to the pursuit of perfection, or to himself as the product of that pursuit?

Hello Khaleesi. Loving Dune Club so much! For a few chapters I have felt that Frank Herbert was promoting the system of combat to find the "fittest" and failed to see the flaws in that system. With the last reading it seems that he is finally addressing those flaws. The women in the Sietch realize that if Paul fights Stilgar they will lose one of the two and that the Sietch needs both of them. Why in your opinion has the Fremen society failed to see this problem with their methods until now? Do the men see the problem or only the women? (I have not read ahead, maybe these questions are answered in the next chapters). Do you think the larger Imperial Society has the same weakness, with its warfare between the so-called Great Houses?

Do you think that modern nations practice a system of purposeful oppression on their populations as either a preliminary form of military education or even just to sort of inoculate people to the terrors of realpolitik?

Hey cbg since you know a lot about the zodiac, what birthsign do you think paul and feyd would be? Thanks for the awesome book club I would've never had read this book if it weren't for you it actually changed my life.

Hi thanks for recommending this book CB19, it may be the best book I've ever read. Spot on with your taste as usual. I was wondering whether you could recommend a few other books that you rate, in any genre? Oh and if your not doing anything tomorrow..marry me?!I'm also free Tuesday....!

Do you believe this: <a href="https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-secret-history-of-dune/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-secret-history-of-dune/</a>#! holds much weight? The Sabres of Paradise was published in 1960. We know that Dune was first published as a serial between 63-64 and that he probably started writing it around 1957. The assumptions are compelling but could Herbert of possibly already been aware of the subject matter of the book? At the very least the last paragraph holds true.