Therapy Deep Dive: Wakanda Forever & Grief
Added 2023-02-08 16:00:05 +0000 UTCJono take us on a therapy deep dive on the stages of grief through Wakanda Forever. Ramonda tries to recognize the anniversary of T'Challa's death, while Shuri grapples with denial and darkness. Jono explains the five stages of grief and how they are sometimes misunderstood. He talks about how our relationships shape our grief, how we heal through rituals, and how guilt and comparative grief aren't productive. And, as always, Alan is here to cry along with you.
Resource:
On Grief and Grieving by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross and David Kessler
Comments
Only just now watched this... thank you for basically covering the talk I gave at church, Jono, long before I did. It's validating to hear someone else who is considered a professional to say things that I have thought and felt for a while now. Thank you.
SaucyJTD
2024-05-11 01:26:28 +0000 UTCI can heavily relate to crying over an actor or Celebrity I can just be laying there thinking things over and Alan Rickman would pop in my head or Rik Mayall and I’ll start crying I remember seeing something on Instagram on Rik Mayall something on the lines of some people who go all out to make you laugh and make your day who are no longer around you always end up missing there presence, it was something on them lines I read it smiled softly my head tilted down tears slowly flooded my eyes that hit hard =;^;= , I see it as those that either went to soon or still had much to offer , tears are a gift and an act of love from those that are left behind still keeping there memory alive 🙂☮️💚
☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️
2024-04-24 22:28:39 +0000 UTCWe made this free for all Patreon tiers as a gift last year. We did the same for one DC. Enjoy!
Cinema Therapy
2024-02-05 15:10:24 +0000 UTCFound this available on the heroes Patreon. (I am only heroes tier) just thought you guys should know it’s here.
1-800-IDK
2024-02-03 05:13:52 +0000 UTCregarding the line "what construct does your mind create? does it offer you comfort, or torment?". I absolutely love that line because ramonda is willing to accept "sure, maybe it is a construct, maybe it's just there to give me comfort. but we all need comfort"
AmberMetalicScorpion
2023-12-07 12:05:35 +0000 UTCWell said.
Cinema Therapy
2023-02-13 15:26:06 +0000 UTCI felt this during the first Black Panther, but more so here. Tchala wasn't just Shuri's brother, he was her best, and maybe only, friend.
Ayesha Ali
2023-02-10 15:38:19 +0000 UTCHug from me too.
Cinema Therapy
2023-02-10 02:34:10 +0000 UTCWe’re planning on doing a whole Hero Psychology on Daniel Craig’s Bond at some point. Shockingly (for that character) deep, rich character.
Cinema Therapy
2023-02-10 02:29:53 +0000 UTCHad an idea for this earlier and wanted to share, and I figure this is where it might have the best chance to be seen since I don’t know how to access the discord server. As a whole, one could say the Daniel Craig 007 films are about loss and how one deals with that. Y’all might do a video on No Time to Die and all that Bond has done to find himself there.
tropetweeter
2023-02-09 17:44:19 +0000 UTCWell said.
Cinema Therapy
2023-02-09 13:08:47 +0000 UTCThe death of someone around us, near or far should remind us of our own mortality. No one will survive this. So apart from grieving the loss we should accept the fact that one day it will be us. That will be gone, forever. What helps me, is the fact, that not only all happyness, pride, lust and joy will be no more, but also all depression, pain, suffering and fear will ultimately end. THAT is comforting to me.
Stephenie Zoé Vee Siegmann
2023-02-09 05:37:39 +0000 UTCThank you.
LB Clark
2023-02-09 05:28:36 +0000 UTCFeel a hug from me, if you're ready to accept it.
Stephenie Zoé Vee Siegmann
2023-02-09 05:27:23 +0000 UTCAbsolutely. Like a mini series. He’s already done Hunting. It can be like Therapists on Therapists (like Actors on Actors)
Lauren Wagstaff
2023-02-08 21:59:24 +0000 UTCJust started watching it, and it's great! - Alan (P.S. I feel like we might have to have Jonathan react to it at some point, since it's about a therapist... what do you think?)
Cinema Therapy
2023-02-08 21:57:23 +0000 UTCI was about 90% of the way through this episode when I realized...I hadn't heard a word of it. Strangely, it came at a time when it was really needed - just as I began the process of grieving the loss of the only job I've ever liked. :/ Finding out your company got underbid is a great way to start a workday, let me tell you. Jonathan, I know a lot about grief from study and from first-hand knowledge, but you managed to a) teach me a whole lot more in a very short span of time and b) give me a great resource for learning even more. Thank you. Alan, I believe you (like me) got a double (or triple) dose of emotional dysregulation along with our ADHD. Unlike you, I'm still struggling to be okay with that. Kudos for owning it and using it to show others that it's okay to be vulnerable. Also, put me down on the list of people seriously mournful over the passing of Chadwick Boseman. I think Jono summed it up when he said, "He was a light." That's just it. When we lose someone like Chadwick, it's another light going out in an already pretty shady universe. That's a loss worth grieving.
LB Clark
2023-02-08 20:37:58 +0000 UTCI feel like the movie is more about grief than it is about superheroes and it highlights the roles we play during grief. Shuri and Ramonda aren't just grieving a son and brother, they're grieving their king and they aren't able to grieve privately because they have a nation to lead and defend. I also like how the score beneath Ramonda and Shuri sounds like the opening of Rihanna's song and then turns into the song from Namor's army. It feels like it creates this beautiful payoff when Shuri goes from anger to acceptance
Demi
2023-02-08 18:34:25 +0000 UTCI want to watch it but first I have to watch Wakanda forever.
Loki Dokey
2023-02-08 17:06:46 +0000 UTCI also was sad for Chadwick; what an absolute treasure he was and continues to be through the immortality of cinema. I felt moved that they paid tribute to the man as much as the fictional character and felt that it must have been at least a little therapeutic for the cast to have those moments to grieve as a work family. 💗💗
Angie
2023-02-08 16:49:07 +0000 UTCAlan...never stop crying. Your tears are a gift to the world - that says it's okay to have your feelings and feel them, even if they are accessible to millions and millions of people on the internet. :) I wish I knew a movie that talks about how grief can be held within the body as a physical manifestation. I lived with my grandmother when she was in hospice care but living at home. She chose not to have a surgery that would extend her life and she was content with that decision. Her faith and strength were a beautiful gift to witness. During that time I was dealing with intense circumstances at work as well as living with her to the point of borderline adrenal burnout. After she died, I went to Thailand at an all inclusive wellness resort on a 2 week vacation, as it's my happy place in the world. While there I met with a coach and healer but he was so much more. He identified my grief was being held within my body and he was able to help me release it through visioning techniques. I actually shook as I was crying and releasing it. I slept for 4 hours that afternoon and a full 14 hours that night. Although between that I drank an entire pot of chamomile tea, almost face-planting into my dinner...which was hilarious! Releasing my grief that way actually scared me because I had never experienced that depth of grief before and having my coach tell me that it was normal through the process was so helpful. It's been 12 years since she died but even as I write this I am crying with Alan. I hold much more space and grace for people who are experiencing grief in their lives. I haven't seen Wakanda Forever yet but I look forward to watching it with a new perspective.
Janese Carstens
2023-02-08 16:47:21 +0000 UTCI'm really excited to see this one, in part because I loved the movie so much and felt like I was able to grieve the loss of the actor with them 💗💗💗
Angie
2023-02-08 16:46:36 +0000 UTCFor anyone who has Apple TV the new show Shrinking also deals with grief but in a lighter, comedic way. It’s still impactful but feels a little less heavy.
Lauren Wagstaff
2023-02-08 16:37:01 +0000 UTCWhen I saw Wakanda Forever, I cried during the funeral scene not for T’challa, but for Chadwick. For a week or two after seeing it, I was just sad. The movie triggered my own grief from loved ones I had lost months ago. A month after this I rewatched it with my family. Still cried during the funeral, but it didn’t sting as much, and the grief I felt did not return. A mentor told me that grief can come in waves. You have months of being just fine and bam! It hits you again. Grateful for cinema moments like this that allow me to sit and work through it.
Desireé (Speak91)
2023-02-08 16:24:49 +0000 UTC
