CinemaTherapy - DIRECTOR'S CUT: Therapist Reacts to LABYRINTH

I’m with y’all. Movie sucks

Kate Wyke

2025-02-15 00:19:28 +0000 UTC

Sorry, one more comment. This would have been the perfect movie to talk about how the movie industry constantly sells to girls this trope of an older attractive dark narcissist that makes you feel special. And how to stay immune the weird romanization of relationship like these etc. Really interested in compilation of similar characters and their analysis

Alina

2025-01-17 00:43:31 +0000 UTC

I think you supposed to see this movie at a certain age and time to love it. And then the love for it will mostly be fueled by nostalgia. Wanted to hear more from Jonathan about the "love me, fear me, do as I say and I will be your slave" phrase. Sounds like a typical abuser promise. Also, I didn't like the movie, but I am really obsessed with Sarah's dress and the ballroom scene. It was so captivating that it lives rent free in my head to this day. P.S. Appreciate that guys gave us their their honest opinion. Thank you for that🩵

Alina

2025-01-17 00:13:15 +0000 UTC

I’m just discovering this one exists, as someone who loves Labyrinth and Bowie. I’m ready to be mad

Evan Linden

2024-11-26 22:39:50 +0000 UTC

I liked the movie as a kid, but now I think it's an unfinished story and desperately needs to be redone with masterful hands

Lorelei Furan

2024-08-26 19:13:22 +0000 UTC

I hated this movie as a kid and severely dislike it now. I had most of the same issues with it as they John and Alan so it’s nice to hear others who feel the same way

Akkue

2024-08-06 16:23:26 +0000 UTC

Oh, my goodness, I see "The Black Cauldron" mentioned here! I was a child then, but I agree with the aforementioned movies (which I should either watch or rewatch now that I'm older). I'd like to add "The Land Before Time" (first movie only, please, lol!) to the list. Yay for these 80s movies!

SomeLittleHermitWizardWishICouldWriteASillyLongerN

2024-07-22 19:32:52 +0000 UTC

I absolutely loved this roast of an episode, and all the controversy it sparked. 👏🏽👌🏽

Omen the Black Cat

2024-07-15 16:02:42 +0000 UTC

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations (and even more in depth) that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

Diane

2024-07-07 16:49:57 +0000 UTC

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

Diane

2024-07-07 16:47:18 +0000 UTC

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations (and even more detailed) that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

Diane

2024-07-07 16:37:16 +0000 UTC

I found this episode to be quite interesting and particularly enjoyed the discussions it generated in the comments. It intrigued me to investigate "Labyrinth" again, in more detail than I ever might have. I had watched the film at some point, although not when it first came out. I was 30 when it was released, so it wasn't something I thought I must rush out and watch. However, when I did see the film, I enjoyed it. I particularly was enchanted by Jim Henson's creation of a different world with his team's incredible puppetry skills. The sheer artistry and technology required to pull it off simply was a marvel. I was a great appreciator, therefore, of the craft that I was witnessing. You both saw it when you were young, which would certainly create a different spin and memories of reactions that would stay with you, even as adults. I thought the film was a good representation of a state of being of adolescent girls who are on the cusp of becoming young women: I've always had a theory that at this one point of time, girls are drawn to androgynous fantasy figures. There is something about those men who have a feminine aspect (when I was a babysitter, I remember the crushes my charges had on David Cassidy, Davy Jones) that seems less threatening. The age difference wouldn't really matter to the fantasy; it is a time of trying on what may be in one's future. David Bowie, therefore, seemed a perfect fantasy figure: beautiful but vaguely dangerous. Isn't that what it is like for someone about to enter the adult world? One sees what is desired ahead, but it is somehow frightening and not able to be imagined clearly. The ball scene, for instance: it seems like it is a girl stepping into the adult world and finding it attractive and also repulsive. Even the Goblin King's codpiece, which so offended you, seems to me to be part of this adolescent attraction and repulsion aspect. Indeed, the LARPing on one's own... I remember doing stuff like that in my own room! I was far from being an adolescent when I saw the film, but I remembered that time of my life. After reading some of the comments, I was trying to find a part of the film that showed all the details of the Labyrinth world that were represented in Sarah's room that those comments mentioned and came across a documentary on YouTube entitled "Inside the Labyrinth 1986: The Making of Documentary." I appreciated the puppeteers' craft even more than I had before! I had no idea that Terry Jones of Monty Python fame was the writer of the script! From the documentary, it appears that he was using Brian Froud's illustrations to guide the story. So. REALLY enjoyed the rabbit hole this took me down! (P.S.: I thought David Bowie's hairstyle and attire had a lot to do with his transforming into an owl, which another commenter also noted. In fact many of my observations are just adding to similar comments.)

Diane

2024-07-07 16:25:33 +0000 UTC

...how do people not know Black Cauldron?! I know it's kinda niche, but.

Lilly Trammell

2024-07-03 22:22:37 +0000 UTC

I love your take. OMG Legend. I can only imagine how they would respond to Legend. I have to wonder if they even know about The Black Cauldron. Ive found not many people do. I have a Gurgi pin from Disney World. I only have it cause I heard a dad tell his kid he didnt know what it was from and the cast member saying the same. Once I heard that I had to find out. When I yelled out "Gurgi" I got a very confused look from everyone including my husband.

Kit White

2024-07-03 21:59:17 +0000 UTC

OK, I missed all the controversy, but let me add my 2 cents as a huge fan of you, Labyrinth, and as a therapist: 1) Yeah, y'all went hard on this one, but you went hard on Twilight and The Notebook and it was great fun. This wasn't fun because, while you did ask for help understanding, you didn't have the same tone as with the others. Your question of "why do you like this" comes across less as curiosity and more like an attack. And the fact that you keep attacking movies that generally have a more female fan base, yeah, you're gonna get (probably unfairly) called out on it. Overall, is it dated, weird, and fucked up? Absolutely. But ya know what else I love that fits that description? ORIGINAL STAR WARS. Come fight me 😝 2) Did y'all not grow up with the Muppets?! Jim Henson is amazing and weird and fun. But I swear to god, if you watch The Dark Crystal and love it, I'm gonna have to call bullshit. It is so much scarier, just as unhinged in its story, and a WAY worse acid trip. Proof in one word: Skeksis. Totally the brown acid. 3) Looking back, I love this movie because it is a fantastical version of my relationship with my emotionally abusive/ narcissistic older sister. Jareth gives Sara "what she wanted" because he is buying her love (not sexually, but for his narcissistic draw). He uses the excuse of "I gave you what you wanted, and now you're ungrateful?" He promises her a fair chance to take back her wish, but the whole time, he rigs the game. He has her go through hell because he wants to. And then when she wins, he throws it in her face how she's being selfish. That is narcissism, wrapped up in a David Bowie package nudge nudge, because narcissists are usually attractive, or at least know how to be. Sarah being a brat, I think, is first world problems. She doesn't have this horrible life, but if you live through a narcissist, your life is "unfair" in a way that no one else recognizes. "OK, you have a 'guy' who is fulfilling your wishes, why are you being such a brat about it" versus "Wait, this guy took away your baby brother, then used him as a manipulation tool to get you to do what he wanted?!" ... and you two can poopoo that ending, but I have that speech memorized. It helped me let go of the power my sister had on me, not because I invited her in, but because she used her relationship to treat me like a toy. Because narcissists only have the power you give them. They have a response to every angle you can try to attack them from (you guys couldn't review the staircase scene?!), and the only way to stop them is to stop responding and cut them out. Which is what she's doing, not to an actual goblin king, but to this idea of escaping her real life to be close with her mom (see #4) 4) I understand your feeling that the lore is missing, and I both agree and disagree. It's so subtle, but there's a lot that is told to you in Sarah's room. Her mom is an actress, and David Bowie was an actor that worked with her (there are newspaper clippings on her mirror). Maybe this is me assuming a lot, but since it worked for my kid brain... Sarah's LARPing is her way of staying close to her mom, the actress. Her big, dramatic feelings might be her copying mom. Mom is obviously not around anymore, and Sarah hates Toby because he's her half brother, her dad moving on to try to "replace" his old life, blah blah. If Sarah's mom is a narcissist (sorry actors, we know you aren't all full of yourselves, and...), it might be hard for Sarah to put all her feelings on mom, so let's choose someone else, maybe "the guy" who "stole mom away". So, now this actor, all Sarah's toys, her artwork, all Sarah's fantasy escapes, come together to help her learn a hard lesson: wishing and hoping for a narcissist to care about you and your needs isn't going to go how you'd like. They are going to insist that if you do what they want, they will, in return, be your slave. But that's shit that doesn't stick, because as soon a they get called out on their bad behavior, it's your fault. 4) Queer awakening. I can't explain, just trust me. 5) I'm curious to have you watch more 80's fantasy. I know you'll love The Neverending Story (get your kleenex ready), but again, what about The Dark Crystal, The Black Cauldron, Secrets of NIMH, Willow, or better yet, Legend? AKA Baby Tom Cruise in a Loincloth, Tim Curry Bangs a Child. They are so much acid "for the kids". ....OK, sorry for the TEDTalk, and, bring me on the show and I'll talk about it to help you get your image back on track 😘 Seriously, I love you guys, and I don't like the hate you got for this, and I also don't love the hate you gave us fans. Let's all move forward, but let's all do better

Lilly Trammell

2024-06-01 04:18:39 +0000 UTC

I will say the comment section of this video really opened up why some girls loved it so much. I was not empowered by the whole "you have no power over me" line because when this film was out I lived with an abuser and I found it trite and absurd. But it seems really powerful for other girls, and it makes me glad this movie exists even if I personally do not enjoy it.

Nova Villmark

2024-05-21 19:56:35 +0000 UTC

I've had the same experience. I said elsewhere, I don't hate this movie. But I've seen it a few times, mostly with friends who do love it, and I just...it's just mild entertainment to me. I mostly like the songs, and even then, well, I was never a huge Bowie fan. And I am EXACTLY the demographic this movie targeted: I was 9 when it came out. So I can sympathize with the people pointing out that it was rare for its time, being a movie with a teenage heroine that young girls and budding young women could relate to. But I also do know for a fact that a lot of that same demographic - girls and young women TODAY - don't relate to this movie in the same way. Which to me means that there's something specifically generational going on here. It's a movie for a pretty specific Gen X cadre of girls. But none of that changes the, er, very problematic elements in the narrative, and it ignores the fact that there were those of us within that demographic, rare animals though we apparently are, who did NOT relate so deeply to this movie. All that said, I've watched Dark Crystal and The Princess Bride and Willow and various other 80s cult classics in the same genre and...well, found them reasonably entertaining but never was part of the deeply attached fandom as virtually everyone around me was and remains.

Amy Petty

2024-05-20 22:38:46 +0000 UTC

I was quite surprised to see that the video got taken down from YouTube and a bit disappointed in the community. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the roasts! Part of the commentary of the film is criticism and this is not criticism of the people who appreciate the film, it’s just the film. I grew up while Twilight was at the height of its popularity and loved it at the time. Jono and Alan’s roasts of that franchise are to date some of my favorite videos they have done. I genuinely hope this does not deprive us of funny movie roasts in the future. It would be a true shame if that’s the result of this!

Cam R

2024-05-20 22:18:58 +0000 UTC

It's not objectively a good movie merely because a lot of people like it. I was 9 in 1986 and ALL of my friends and acquaintances who are of an age with me love this film dearly. I don't hate it but I never really did understand why it's so beloved - other than a few surface level elements, like Bowie himself. Otherwise, it's extremely cheesy as 80s fantasy puppet movies go. Folks really need to not take it personally when film critics dislike their cult favorites. To be quite frank, the idea that it's "judgy" to call this movie bad is silly defensiveness rooted in the idea that you are being personally attacked. But it would literally be a judgment to critique this as a GOOD film - that's what judgment IS. YOU are NOT being judged somehow because Jono and Alan personally hate the movie, but that's the implication of telling them that they're being "judgy" about it. Nor are they somehow wrong just because their opinion runs counter to the generation of kids who made this film a cult classic in the first place. It's worth noting that this movie did VERY BADLY in American cinema when it was released, and was derided by plenty of critics, including Sickle and Ebert. So it should be considered that the things which make this movie beloved NOT by everyone but by a very specific generational demographic, is likely unrelated to the quality of the filmmaking itself.

Amy Petty

2024-05-20 21:59:45 +0000 UTC

Eh, it's unreasonable to pass judgment on an episode you admit to not watching. I can understand being turned off by a caption, but "you have explaining to do" is quite bland as these things go, especially without further context or the benefit of vocal tone - and it makes no sense to decide the episode must have been "judgmental and critical" to fans when you quite literally have no idea whether it was or not.

Amy Petty

2024-05-20 21:33:14 +0000 UTC

I appreciate your commentary here and also the criticism that the screenplay didn't do the appropriate groundwork to allow it to resonate with you. I was a teenage girl and didn't connect with it either, but I also can't entirely remember if I saw it as a teenager. I'm pretty sure I watched it as an adult and also just.... Didn't get it.

Angie

2024-05-13 20:38:02 +0000 UTC

I mean you no disrespect in my disagreement. I hope I was able to present a different perspective. And I apologize if I have sent you multiple notifications as I made new replies when I didn't gather all my thoughts together cleanly 🙈

Angie

2024-05-13 20:33:10 +0000 UTC

I came to this by watching the step-mother's behavior. She's convinced that Sarah must present the childhood the step-mother feels is appropriate, or she has to serve the parents. Children are not our servants. They do not owe us anything. Children are small, independent people who need love, compassion, and strong examples. We have the privilege to curate the lessons of our lives to better those of our children. What I've learned, I can pass on and they can then decide if they need to experience it themselves. I chose to learn from my mother's biggest traumatic experiences so I could catapult into new territory. It's a parent's job to present learning opportunities, and those learning opportunities do not look like, "do this thing I think you need to do or I don't recognize you as an independent person." We should be guiding our children, not leading them. They're not horses. Sarah is a dysregulated teenager facing trauma and change with what feels like zero support. She's not a spoiled brat; she's an emotional child crying out for help.

Angie

2024-05-13 20:23:47 +0000 UTC

"....to do instead" indicates it was a choice between social or babysitting. That's the illusion of choice, not a choice. An actual choice would be a social thing, or LARP in the park with her thoughts or literally anything else she chose on her own.

Angie

2024-05-13 20:16:21 +0000 UTC

I don't know that she was beholden to babysit. The step-mother herself even says she'd love it if Sarah had something social to do instead.

Donnaroo

2024-05-13 19:53:29 +0000 UTC

I have to agree: This one feels pretty dismissive, even if the movie makes my skin crawl.

Denise Dilworth

2024-05-09 13:27:35 +0000 UTC

2. For all the cod piece talk. A friend passed on this piece of information to me that I would have to fact check. Allegedly, it was potpourri so the juggler juggling the crystal behind David Bowie wouldn't have to suffer alarming smells. If it's true, that's funny and thoughtful of David

Laura E

2024-05-04 22:45:48 +0000 UTC

Bonus thoughts: 1) For fellow Labyrinth fans, how many people have watched the Making of Labyrinth Documentary that was attached to the DVD?

Laura E

2024-05-04 22:29:55 +0000 UTC

Nailed it!

Giorgina

2024-05-01 03:08:22 +0000 UTC

Another suggestion for the way y'all handled the comments: when you ask people for feedback and they tell you, try not to respond back in such a way that you're continuing to further your original opinion. It really doesn't land to hear someone say "I don't understand" and try to address it, for them to then say, "Yeah, but this is why I think this way..."

Giorgina

2024-05-01 03:07:37 +0000 UTC

I was going to comment this too... I'm not even a true movie buff but I knew for a while that the codpiece was very intentional. I'm rather sad that they didn't make the connection but it's not completely unreasonable as the whole film is much more of a discussion on the push for females to grow up solely for their reproductive function in society.

Autumn Satterlee

2024-04-30 23:35:32 +0000 UTC

I remember there being some scary parts in Labyrinth but they didn't get to me that much as a kid. Pan's Labyrinth on the other hand? That movie was terrifying, the pale man still haunts me in my dreams.

Max Fauchier

2024-04-30 20:27:37 +0000 UTC

I think much of the hurt was kind of a knee jerk reaction to what maybe felt like an attack of something a lot of people loved for various reasons. Like, by panning this movie, you were saying something was wrong with them, or even a degree of defensiveness towards this thing that they liked. I think if most people thinks about it for a minute or two they would realize you were just having fun and not meaning to hurt anyone's feelings. I for one, was never angry or hurt, just surprised that you missed what, to me, was an obvious aspect of the movie and that was that none of it was really happening except in Sarah's imagination.

narinatiger

2024-04-30 18:00:58 +0000 UTC

I also would love to see a video exploring this more deeply. It just seemed like something they might not want to do because it would mean watching the movie again. To be clear, I wasn't mad, just seemed like a lot of people were.

narinatiger

2024-04-30 17:51:52 +0000 UTC

Fair point

narinatiger

2024-04-30 17:49:40 +0000 UTC

Hmm, I think a lot of the friction here was caused by expactations. I think you should be allowed to roast a movie you don't like, but of course, if people vote for it they expect something different. Could maybe help in the future to tell upfront (in the poll already) that if you do the movie it is a roast, so when people vote for it, they know what will come and can prepare mentally and decide if they want that. (or give two options, a roast and a non-roast option, so you can be sure what people expect from the episode) That could be a win for everybody probably? You can still roast movies that people voted for, and there are less hurt feelings.

Lyndis Cealin

2024-04-30 15:44:06 +0000 UTC

I saw how the Labyrinth episode was captioned, ' Labyrinth fans, you have explaining to do ' and my mind went uh-oh, look out, this is going to get ugly. I am sorry that it did. I did pass on watching this episode. Not going to lie, guys, it felt critical and judgmental to the fans. I am a fan since childhood ( I loved the fantasy escapism, David Bowie's Music, all the puppets no matter how weird ) 1980's Fantasy movies no matter how obscure helped me emotionally / mentally get a break from my disease and my disability AND I have discussed this movie with people that do not like it, that's ok. The good people of Cinema Therapy have the right to their own opinion and likes, dislikes. I appreciate Cinema Therapy's Response on Instagram. I still love you!!! I look forward to all your videos! I was away on a trip, I need to make time for myself to watch the Goofy Movie Episode soon!

Laura E

2024-04-30 00:18:19 +0000 UTC

Hey guys! As someone who likes the movie, I would just like to say that I think all of your insights and opinions are extremely valid and interesting. I usually hate it when people, especially internet people, talk shit about movies or shows I like; but I have to admit, I really enjoyed watching you guys talk about this movie, more so than I was expecting to. I both agree and disagree on your points to varying degrees. But most of all I appreciate the way you both approach movies you dislike with open-mindedness. I wish more people approached any conversation/debate this way. I truly believe that it's okay to disagree with people as long as you come by your opinions honestly, keep an open mind, and always remain willing to genuinely listen to the other person/people. Keep up the good work!

Kristen Buckley

2024-04-29 19:55:19 +0000 UTC

I second this motion. LOL Well said.

Crystal Kirkley

2024-04-29 18:03:13 +0000 UTC

Preach, sister

Crystal Kirkley

2024-04-29 17:56:52 +0000 UTC

Can you do it again? I know your schdule is about to get crazier, but I wouldn't mind a second one incorporating some of the feedback a year(ish) from now.

Sadie

2024-04-29 17:18:32 +0000 UTC

I noticed the video got taken down off YouTube! I'm very surprised, but I hope this means they'll approach it with new eyes and make a new one! I really do love their content and I'd love to see a more thought out take on the Labyrinth as a fellow not-head-over-heels-with-it individual. And I think its worth prefacing this whole comment saying that I really hated Labyrinth. Sincerely. Hated it. I watched it several times throughout the years because the people I love, love it. I still don't like it very much, but I definitely don't hate it anymore. I've been shown why this movie is important to my loved ones, and even though I still think it looks kinda creepy and its super corny and maybe even a little dumb and goofy, I think that's the charm of it. And I found plenty of things to like about the movie for myself, to make it more enjoyable. David Bowie's bulge being a CONSCIOUS decision is the funniest shit I've read all week, okay. I wanted to comment a take I haven't seen yet, break away from the sentiment of "you don't get it because you aren't a girl, a teen girl specifically" (that is a valid take though). Herse the thing; both of these men were fully invested in Furiosa in their mad max video. While that isn't quite the same, I think that and several other videos should speak to their capacity to relate to people even having not been in their shoes. Plus, my fiancé who hadn't seen the labyrinth til 4 months ago noticed everything these guys missed. He doesn't even watch CT and was shocked a therapist missed all the opportunities presented here to address the womanly experience and psyche, not to mention the living situation's impact on a child (of any gender). We have seen that they put so much effort into this, and effort into maintaining grace, always. I think the real problem here is more so that they didn't put as much effort into the Ted Lasso philosophy with this video. Alan himself is an incredibly observant and intuitive man considering he isn't a therapist, and he is always EXTREMELY attentive to story telling within a scene or a set! And this movie is chalk full of that! Looking at Sarah's bedroom, their house, the labyrinth itself, there is story telling in virtually every single prop and scene. Everything is shot for a reason! And the script is NOT just "implicit", it just so happens this movie was made when people were expected to be able to extrapolate information without being explicitly told. Which again, is something both of these guys are really good at. That's why I like them so much; they are observant, and open minded. Usually. So no, while I do agree that maybe being the target audience could help, I think the real slap in the face people are feeling is because other movies they have addressed, some even less "iconic" got far better treatment and effort than this one. This one that people REQUESTED. Imagine your wife asks to be taken out to dinner on Valentines day, knowing and expecting kindness from you because you show her you love her every day because its in your nature, but for this one specific request you laugh in her face and belittle the existence of the holiday. It isn't (just) about being a woman, its about not maintaining the same standard they have shown the capacity for and interest in time and time again in the past. The request wasn't for it to simply be addressed, it was for a handling with care, compassion, and open-mindedness. It was a request to be seen, heard, and understood. I don't really care much about this movie, but I do care that they let themselves swing so far in the other direction of their own philosophies. I totally understand roasting; I thought the roasting of Twilight was hilarious. I think there's a balance there, I'd love to see roasting when it also comes with a hefty helping of "check out the story telling in this scene" from Alan and "This is why Sarah is acting out, this is what this story is about;" from Jono. I really love you guys and what you do. Your Ted Lasso video made me cry, it was so moving to see it put into words what open mindedness and curiosity over judgement gets you, and I was so happy to see there are people like that in the world. I don't think its wrong to roast something or have a differing opinion on it, I think its simply the way you handle it that is important. I don't think Twilight is good either, but it sure is funny to watch. Wishing the crew and team the best, all your opinions are valid! And I hope they aren't too offended by all the comments rambling at them (including my own at this point... soorry x') ) Thanks for reading my rant if you have. Much love xx

Cozywozzzy

2024-04-29 16:30:11 +0000 UTC

Honestly, I can see why someone wouldn't consider it a good song. It's not all that deep or original lol. I just have nostalgia and being easily entertained on my side 😂

Kambria

2024-04-29 15:59:52 +0000 UTC

I think its so funny, when you guys arent a fan of a movie. I also love the Notebook episode.

Hedda Bakken Olerud

2024-04-29 15:17:42 +0000 UTC

If anyone wants to explore the sub-genre of music that is ”goblins kidnapping a baby”, check out The Goblin Song from Doctor Who. Weird that it happened twice lol

Sara Wagiström

2024-04-29 14:40:43 +0000 UTC

Is it Alan who's the taller one? Anyway, the question around 11.30 Q - 'why does the cod piece have to be in the centre all the time' A - strained 'listen, I don't understand' sums this film up I don't particularly like this film because it's creepy and that stupid cod piece irritates the hell out of me.

Rashida Islam

2024-04-29 11:55:03 +0000 UTC

Could be a little series or subgroup of your regular discussions. Could even be a Patreon thing so it doesn’t mess with YouTube’s algorithm. 😁👍

Julie Tracy

2024-04-29 11:11:57 +0000 UTC

This!

KimCarter

2024-04-29 03:46:28 +0000 UTC

I understand that this was a little departure from the cinema therapy brand, but I really enjoy the "spicier" content from you guys. And if you ever opted to have a mini side series of watching objectively bad films and venting about them, I know I'd have a blast with that. I have learned so much from both an emotional and film making stand point when you use the film as an example of where behaviour, relationships and film making could be made into something much greater. The Twilight roasts are a beloved rewatch of mine (and I unapologetically like Twilight 😂). I do respect and understand your decision to show such incredible levels of respect and empathy for your audiences though to pull it from YouTube, however. But I really enjoyed this video. 💜

BleakTea

2024-04-29 00:19:58 +0000 UTC

While this film is not my personal favorite, I know it means a lot to some of the people I love most in this world. Maybe I’ll ask them what speaks to them about it, and I’ll learn something valuable about them for myself! What a great reminder to be respectful, mindful, and of course, accountable. You are still beloved, internet dads. Thank you for setting an example of openness and humility. Best wishes! ❤️

Nicole Colombatto

2024-04-28 23:27:49 +0000 UTC

Hi friends! We wanted to respond to some of your feedback. First, we definitely could have done a better job with this episode. We let our dislike for the movie take the lead here, and should have taken the time to dig deeper. We apologize for that. Second, we asked you to tell us why you love this movie, and so many of you did! Thank you for that. We've gained a much greater understanding and appreciation for what you see in this movie. For those who love and requested the film, we never intended to insult you. We got caught up in the fun of a roast. But intentions and results don't always line up, and we own that. If you feel this was a swing and a miss for us, we understand. Thank you for helping us to be more mindful. - Jonathan, Alan & Megan

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-28 22:11:14 +0000 UTC

While I have not watched all of your content, I clearly enjoyed it enough to subscribe (only my 2nd Patreon subscription) and I was a bit taken aback by the very big tonal shift from your other content. Admittedly, I am one of those who really like this movie, but it was more the absolute relentless bashing, heckling, and mocking of the mere existence of this movie that surprised me. Perhaps if the title or description gave a warning I would have not been as disappointed. Maybe changing the title to “Movie Roast: Labyrinth” or “Cinema Therapy Makes Fun of Labyrinth” would have been better? Again, newer subscriber so forgive me if this is something that is more frequent and I’m just a bit out of the loop! Either way, really love (most) of the content you’re putting into the world!

Steve Thomas

2024-04-28 21:46:09 +0000 UTC

Apology videos "at gunpoint" are meaningless and oftentimes garner more ire than completely ignoring the whole thing. If there was another video, I would rather see a proper deep dive into this movie with guests who enjoyed it than an apology video.

Danial McCoy

2024-04-28 18:34:32 +0000 UTC

Sorry for making so many comments but, I did have one last thing to say and that is something I heard from a teacher at Rick's College back in the 80's. Forgiveness heals the forgiver as much if not more than the forgiven. We forgive people not because they deserve it but because God has commanded us to (it was a Mormon School) and when we do we realize that forgiveness is necessary for us to heal, not because it is necessary for the person or persons who wronged us.

narinatiger

2024-04-28 18:20:18 +0000 UTC

Also, also, actually, actually, maybe in future reviews remember that concepts that are clear to us as adults are still things that need to be learned. Concepts like fairness and the fact that the world is NOT fair are not things we're born knowing. It's something we learn sometimes by WATCHING MOVIES. Don't pan people or movies for not "getting it" at the beginning. I'm sure when you were children you also complained about things not being fair. (not mad, just reminding... hopefully in a helpful way)

narinatiger

2024-04-28 17:58:18 +0000 UTC

A lot of people have already commented on how this movie works if you shift your focus from a movie about actual events to a movie that (perfectly in my experience) depicts a young woman's internal Fantasy, and many people are even very angry about the way something that was moving and life changing for them could be be so seemingly carelessly panned that maybe a short apology video might soothe some hurt feelings? Maybe not a whole new review, you have a lot of movies that people want to see reviewed, but just a little "Hey, I seem to have hurt your feelings and that's not what I meant to do, sorry" Even people we admire (even ourselves, even if we are generally considerate people) make mistakes and accidentally hurt people's feelings without meaning to.

narinatiger

2024-04-28 17:46:32 +0000 UTC

A possible "theme" interpretation for the movie: Sarah shifting from an external locus of control (things happen to her) to an internal locus of control (she makes things happen). @Jono: I thought you might like this interpretation, since an internal locus of control seems like a prerequisite for taking responsibility.

Ben

2024-04-28 17:34:07 +0000 UTC

I sent it. because of the character limit there are a couple awkward spots, but it's all there. Thank you for being open to hearing others points of view on this.

Danial McCoy

2024-04-28 16:34:46 +0000 UTC

I am sending it through the Patreon messaging system. I don't know if there is a character limit on the messages, so it may be sent as multiple messages. It's kind of long, so I apologize for that.

Danial McCoy

2024-04-28 16:28:09 +0000 UTC

Just because there is high audience demand, I was one who requested it why do an episode if you’re just going to hate on a movie that is beloved by many? It’s your channel and why should I vote if my ideas are going to just completely be ragged on? Also, It makes me feel bad that you felt compelled to make this video. You pointed the following things out, but couched in a hate fest. This movie has always been about empowerment over someone trying to control you, it’s about surrounding yourself with people who care and help you? Is it the most well crafted movie? No. But it’s a beloved part of my life. I never watch the episode of yours about Annakin Skywalker cause I just cannot even validate the existence of those prequels, but I wouldn’t invalidate your enjoyment and what you get out of it. Like Sarah, even though we have agency to be active in the content that you create, you ultimately have the power to decide what videos you’re going to make and even say “hey, I know a lot of people wanted a video on this, but I just can’t”. Please use your own boundaries and remember that we support you because we think you’re doing a great service and enjoy watching your videos. I have no enjoyment in making you miserable. Please consider not only your audience’s wants, but your own boundaries and have empathy that if we wanted you to look at a movie, odds are we like it, if not love it.

Rebecca Kidwell

2024-04-28 16:14:55 +0000 UTC

It's not solo LARPing, it's daydreaming. Some of us who do, did, or wander perilously close to maladaptive daydreaming are imminently familiar with ths.

KimCarter

2024-04-28 15:15:54 +0000 UTC

100%

KimCarter

2024-04-28 15:12:38 +0000 UTC

Omg you're right! My autistic son is VERY concerned about fairness. Well, probably a lot of kids are, but the fixation on it ...

KimCarter

2024-04-28 15:12:10 +0000 UTC

meant to be yours by jamie Muscato from heaters is a romantic song

vidre crystal

2024-04-28 14:16:01 +0000 UTC

An invitation to a change of perspective for you. You are a young girl, you have a hobby, you love practicing for a play because it means something to you. The play may even connect you to something, to your mother, who is no longer present, may even have been taken away from you, in whatever way. Nobody understands you in this situation, because a patchwork family is unique in your environment. You forget the time and run home immediately. You are super soaked and get reproached as if you were late on purpose, and you are handed a little half-brother who is just screaming and obviously doesn't feel well. Your stepmother shows no understanding for your interests, does not hear your apology and imposes her expectations on you about how you should be at your age. This feels very intrusive, but you don't know that this term even exists, only that you are not right the way you are. At least your father says “We were worried about you”, but you are already in the mode of feeling attacked. You regret your aggressive reaction to him a little later and wish you could take it back, you would if you could calm down. You fall asleep and in your dream you relive your deepest inner feelings, how you feel in the situation, in your family situation and in your journey between childhood and adulthood. Everything is changing and you need to change, but you don't know how yet. You meet different characters in your dream who all represent your own character traits. And yes, this journey is creepy and dark, confusing and weird. You find this movie, with a female main character, that you can relate to and finally you get the feeling that it is normal to feel lost in the labyrinth of life, that shows “I see you and it is normal how you feel”. What's more, the film was made with a great deal of dedication to the technical conditions of the time and the film music and song lyrics still speak to you as an adult. “It's only forever, not long at all.” Yup, thats life. For liking the movie, someone even breaks up with you, which is still a funny anecdote for him as a grown man, working as a therapist, which he tells his internet community with amusement. You watch 2 grown men, fathers, tearing this situation you're in apart, shitting on it, on everything you feel related to. You're just a spoiled brat who should consider herself lucky because she lives in a big house and has everything material she needs. Just not the mom you need and loving people who help you figure out who you are and how life is. ...Wtf?!!! The execution of the movie is a masterpiece for many, precisely because much is left to the viewer's own interpretation and much is not obvious. The movie is unlike today's movies that tell the viewer how they should feel. The movie takes you (maybe as a girl/woman) on a journey like no other movie could at the time. Please read the thousands of comments on you YouTube post of this video and see how many people have been touched by the movie to this day. Let it sink in, sleep on it and then re-watch your own video again, as a professional terapeuth and professional filmmaker who is not used to modern movie CGI. In fact it would be interesting to additional see your reaction to your own material in a year or so.

Doreen

2024-04-28 09:22:46 +0000 UTC

I watched this movie when I was very young and I barely remember any of it. However, afterwards I for some reason decided I hated it and never wanted to see it again. Which was hard because it was annoyingly popular among my peer group. Unfortunately, I can no longer remember why I hate it, so this comment is mostly pointless

Sean Sussex

2024-04-28 09:20:30 +0000 UTC

Another interesting connection: Jennifer Connelly plays Penny Benjamin in Top Gun: Maverick. She owns a bar that the characters interact in at a few points. When she first comes on screen, the juke box in her bar is playing a David Bowie song (Let's Dance).

Kes Yocum

2024-04-28 08:20:23 +0000 UTC

Specifically, weird book girls.

Kes Yocum

2024-04-28 07:47:20 +0000 UTC

Also, he grew up to become a special effects designer, puppeteer, and filmmaker as well.

Kes Yocum

2024-04-28 07:43:23 +0000 UTC

Because he's the son of the conceptual designer Brian Froud (Toby Froud).

Kes Yocum

2024-04-28 07:41:56 +0000 UTC

My reply to any mention of Atreyu: "Too. Soon."

Kes Yocum

2024-04-28 06:57:50 +0000 UTC

The character of Ludo did inspire the name of my favorite band in middle school, who are from my hometown of St. Louis, MO, and for that I can’t ever entirely hate this movie! 😂

Nicole Colombatto

2024-04-27 20:34:51 +0000 UTC

I think that art can still be valid and effectively deliver a message without catering to men’s comprehension and entertainment 🤷‍♀️ it is sad that art that is made for and loved by teenage girls is frequently trashed just because the male-dominated establishment doesn’t “get” it.

Jennifer

2024-04-27 11:21:57 +0000 UTC

It was good for its time , the story is definitely all over the place that’s for sure and goes into to many directions almost like they couldn’t make there minds up on on sticking to something concrete if that makes sense 😅

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-27 10:29:41 +0000 UTC

One thing I will say is that a lot of fans love David Bowie. We DO NOT love Jareth, and by the end of the movie, neither does Sarah.

Ember-Reece Richardson

2024-04-27 08:08:58 +0000 UTC

I grew up watching Labyrinth and still love it as an adult, though I'm sure that is helped by the fact that I love the soundtrack and for things to be a little bit ugly/creepy. I find it to be highly quotable and there is definitely a nostalgia factor. I usually watch it at least once a year, usually around Halloween, though I will throw it on any time. I absolutely get why you two didn't enjoy it and that many of your criticisms/personal tastes are totally valid. Some scenes are definitely long, and character motivations can be confusing. I didn't have any trouble with the mythology of the movie, though I think it can be confusing if you take the movie as a literal story instead of the fairy tale/dream that I think it is. Years ago Cracked did a video about Labyrinth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw0uM8oILZo) and how the whole thing is more like a dream and about Sarah's journey through puberty & beginning to explore her sexuality. She wishes for someone to come and take the baby, her innocence, away, and is overwhelmed when it's not actually what she wanted. She goes into the confrontation with Jareth alone because her story was about her growing up and learning to do things without the aid of her childhood fantasies, though they are still there "should you need us." I think many of us can relate to growing up and finding new ways to embrace and enjoy the things we loved in our youth. I don't expect you guys to change your opinions, but you asked why we liked it, so I wanted to share my two cents!

mrsuniiverse

2024-04-27 06:48:29 +0000 UTC

It's no Blackadder.

Wendy Darling

2024-04-27 05:54:03 +0000 UTC

I was a teenage girl when this movie was released and you 2 are spot on! Never saw the appeal, never liked the story, never identified with the main character. And I say this as a huuuuge fan of Jim Henson's creature shop which is The Only Reason I stayed in the theater until the end. I'll see your Sarah and raise you a Marion, a Sarah Connor and a Princess Leia. (To name a few.) 😉 Y'all are good sports to do the episode even though the Patreon made you do it! To quote Danny Butterman, Hey, that weren't me.

Wendy Darling

2024-04-27 05:40:32 +0000 UTC

Anything with Malin in it deserves to be roasted, esp 27 Dresses.

Bryan Bowes

2024-04-27 05:03:14 +0000 UTC

Sarah Conner is a better choice when she came along I did upgrade.

Drug Princess

2024-04-27 04:00:00 +0000 UTC

You're not wrong!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:14:31 +0000 UTC

Looking forward to it :)

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:11:21 +0000 UTC

Couples Retreat is actually a great idea!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:11:00 +0000 UTC

Same.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:10:44 +0000 UTC

I respect that.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:10:20 +0000 UTC

We'll see? I mean, we did this with Twilight and The Kissing Booth. So maybe more :)

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:09:50 +0000 UTC

I appreciate that insight.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:07:44 +0000 UTC

Maybe we were!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:06:51 +0000 UTC

I am sorry for that. It was never meant to be personal. We got caught up in the moment and didn't mean to disrespect anyone. To us, this was a roast like our Twilight episodes and we had fun with it.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:06:33 +0000 UTC

Jono, if you were perfect all the time, you would be boring. There's a compliment in all of this, I swear.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-27 03:02:48 +0000 UTC

Oh my!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 03:01:31 +0000 UTC

I appreciate these thoughts.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:59:25 +0000 UTC

Oh no! Please, still like it if you like it! I still like James Bond even though he is almost always TERRIBLE. It's an escape. I just acknowledge film vs. reality.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:59:06 +0000 UTC

We can handle it, haha. Agree to disagree on DMD, but glad it hits the spot for you!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:58:10 +0000 UTC

I am dying!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:57:14 +0000 UTC

I appreciate the insights how you called me out respectfully and directly. Apologies if I missed the mark.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:57:01 +0000 UTC

Please do Dark Crystal next! It traumatized a whole generation 😂

Matthew B

2024-04-27 02:47:11 +0000 UTC

I think the feedback that we don't get it because we've never been in the mind of a teenage girl is totally fair. I think a lot of teenage girls could meet the film where it's at and connect with it. My issue is that there have been plenty of female-driven stories, including stories about teenage girls, that I connect with because they do the work to get non-teenage girls to connect with, empathize with, and understand the characters. I personally did not feel like the screenplay did this. But that's just one person's opinion. I love lots of things that others don't connect with.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:41:07 +0000 UTC

Not rambling, I wanted other perspectives and you went for it!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:35:45 +0000 UTC

Now you've got Sarah Conner! But yeah, this makes sense.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:32:15 +0000 UTC

Way to draw personal boundaries!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:31:14 +0000 UTC

Hey, likewise, haha!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:30:58 +0000 UTC

Listen, maybe you would enjoy it? Lots of people here in the comments are fans.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:29:34 +0000 UTC

ASD-coded is an intruiging take. I'll have to chew on that.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:28:37 +0000 UTC

Sadly, several women on our team weren't huge fans of it either. But it's true, many women and queer persons adore and relate to the movie.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:25:23 +0000 UTC

Overall this is Bowie's weakest music but that just says more about how good Bowie is overall...sigh, I miss him

Chris Breezy

2024-04-27 02:24:23 +0000 UTC

Feedback taken.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:24:04 +0000 UTC

I stand corrected. Good tune.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:22:08 +0000 UTC

Very true. I mean, we didn't enjoy the ugliness, but that was kind of the point.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:21:14 +0000 UTC

To be fair, there's nothing objective about any of this. We shared our opinion and asked for those who disagree to help us see it through their eyes. I do feel bad if we offended any who love the film. And to be clear, I love Xanadu, so maybe I'm not the best judge of 80's musicals.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:19:44 +0000 UTC

Honestly, this is one of my favorite arguments for this movie. - Jono

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:16:56 +0000 UTC

It should be mentioned at this point that I've worked through my emotions and stuff on this, and that I'm not as upset now. I still stand by my points, but the emotion has been worked through. Thanks to those who have reached out 💕.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-27 02:16:19 +0000 UTC

Completely involuntary.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:15:53 +0000 UTC

Good points!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:15:17 +0000 UTC

Legit happy for you that it brings you joy!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:14:28 +0000 UTC

Valid.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:14:04 +0000 UTC

Seriously, this is a great point. I think it's all been done better since, but maybe Labyrinth walked so others could run.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:13:52 +0000 UTC

To you, and to all who were really looking forward to this episode... my genuine sympathies.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:12:32 +0000 UTC

Right you are!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:11:31 +0000 UTC

We were experimenting with new popcorn flavors, apparently.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:11:11 +0000 UTC

Totally agree. Both adorable.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:10:17 +0000 UTC

I've not rewatched it since I was a kid. I wonder how it would hold up for me!

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:09:23 +0000 UTC

Lol, I'm dying.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:09:00 +0000 UTC

In that case allow me to apologize for this episode :)

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:08:30 +0000 UTC

The second one.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:08:04 +0000 UTC

Maybe you should! A lot of people love it. Just not us :D

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:07:47 +0000 UTC

For real, though.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:07:23 +0000 UTC

Damn it Jono, we just laughed in Discord, and now you go and make me cry lol. Thank you for responding. It means a lot.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-27 02:07:14 +0000 UTC

First of all, I loved reading this comment, and second of all I think we all have those "terrible things" that we love. No shame and no shade.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:07:06 +0000 UTC

I'm so sorry you ever went through that and I love that this film has this meaning for you now as you take back your power! - Jono

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 02:05:00 +0000 UTC

Some valid points. I think a bit more of the context and fleshing out would have helped us connect with the character more. Totally respect that for those who do, this is a meaningful film. - Jono

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 01:59:29 +0000 UTC

Fair and fair.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-27 01:57:52 +0000 UTC

I LOVE this movie. I watched it at least every year as a kid, usually on my best friend's birthday. I totally understand the single player LARPing and dance magic dance is one of my favorite songs. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion and we don't all enjoy the same movies. And that is okay. The clock has 13hrs beacuse Jareth gave Sarah 13hrs to solve the labrinyth. Although, he sped it up at one point because she was being snarky. The "You have no power over me" speech is the same speech that Sarah was reciting in the beginning but kept forgetting the last line. I like to think of it as a dream based on the play she is memorizing, plus many of the characters are motifs or stuffies in Sarah's room (hoggle is a bookend, the dog is the same). Nothing has to make sense in a dream and helps manage the creepy age gap between Sarah and Jareth. Side note: Jennifer Conelly was about 14 when they shot this but Sarah is supposed to be 16. And yes, many (but not all) 16yos go out on dates and hang out with friends. Also, the shots with Jareth "juggling" the glass balls were difficult to get because Bowie was standing in front of the "juggler" who couldn't see what he was doing. It's like that game in whose line where one person puts their arms around that back of the partner and speaks while the partner put their arms through the first person's and does an activity using their hands in front of the first person. Except you have to get it right and you can't see what you're doing.

Sadie

2024-04-27 00:29:47 +0000 UTC

As an xennial, I never cared for this movie and people act as if I'm a traitor to my generation. Dark Crystal is much better and I'll stick by that one. I don't even think the main character changes so much, when I watched this as an adult I just figured she's not so bad but we just see her at her worst because she's feeling jealous and insecure. Also it's funny about the codpiece - my female friends talk about it but also the number of films where a womans chest/ass is in center frame for about the same amount of time and we don't notice... just sayin

Nova Villmark

2024-04-26 23:42:31 +0000 UTC

By far my favorite character in this movie is one not shown in this episode. He’s adorable and has a fun accent and didn’t get enough screen time in my opinion. https://youtu.be/l0K5T0AqVlY?si=m5VFsAf1m1bakE4N I have watched this movie literally hundreds of times (I only had this and The Princess Bride my freshman year in college to play on repeat on my combo tv/vcr). I always skip the fire goblins with the head switching. It’s creepy and still gives me the heeby jeebies. Other than that, I love the music, the artistry, David Bowie, the humor and it just is a comforting movie from my childhood/young adulthood. I appreciated the way you’ve modeled at least wanting to be open to understanding another’s POV and for doing this even though it wasn’t your cup of tea.

Elizabeth McDowell

2024-04-26 22:41:23 +0000 UTC

I enjoyed this movie, got to see it in theaters after Bowie passed away. Definitely not one I'll go to bat for!

Gabe Vermund

2024-04-26 22:26:30 +0000 UTC

Couples Retreat!

Gabe Vermund

2024-04-26 22:25:19 +0000 UTC

I am utterly shocked at this episode. I can't believe neither of you understand, in even the most basic sense, what this movie is about. When have some time I am going to write out whats happening in the movie and email it in, comment here, or leave it on the youtube video. Utterly shocked.

Danial McCoy

2024-04-26 20:20:41 +0000 UTC

Seeing Decker almost shrink into the fetal position was quite the ride lol! What other cringe film can we suggest? This is fun :)

Bryan Bowes

2024-04-26 17:42:41 +0000 UTC

I felt so vindicated in my dislike of Labyrinth, but after watching and especially after reading the comments... Huh. I can see how this would particularly hit with teenage girls and young women. All of the sudden you go from being a kid and your own person to being a forced caretaker who is judged and scrutinized and fantasized about. You are no longer allowed to be gross or odd; you are seen as having value when around other people and much less when by yourself; you both dive into and are significantly less allowed to have an imaginative inner life. I still have zero interest in watching this movie again myself, but it's a real Danny Devito "I get it" moment for me right now. I understand why people love Labyrinth.

Miles Mitchell 🏳️‍⚧️

2024-04-26 17:40:20 +0000 UTC

I love this movie because its not ashamed of what it is: a fairy tale. If you made this movie today, you would have Sarah point out all the things you guys did and calling out tropes and it'd be full of Joss Whedon snark. Instead this movie goes "I'm a fairy tale, I got David Bowie, and I am going to HAVE FUN WITH THAT. If people like it, GREAT." Instead of shying away from the fairy tale logic it LEANS HARDER into it. Is it a "good" or "progressive" movie? No, but not everything NEEDS to be. This movie is junk food and it's not ashamed to be that.

Dr. Gonzo

2024-04-26 16:31:12 +0000 UTC

So I was introduced to this movie by my mom. She loves it, mostly for David Bowie. I like it enough to watch it, though I always skip the campfire song, but I see all it's problems. Jim Hensons company does amazing work and that deserves recognition. Though most of the songs are meh, magic dance is unironically one of my favorite 80s movie tunes.

Lance Carmack

2024-04-26 15:51:19 +0000 UTC

Wow, you guys are just ruthless! lol I think this should be the first of many videos where you guys just riff on and rip apart movies you don't like. Kind of like MST3K, but from our internet dads :D

Richard Mead

2024-04-26 15:35:41 +0000 UTC

I just talked about this with my friends the other day. With my current mental state, I would still not feel safe even if he were to die. It has lessened over time, yes. But if you've ever seen Practical Magic and see Gillian and her struggle with her abuser, or Supernatural and his relationship with Lucifer, those are close to how much this guy affected me. Some years are better than others, and this year has been a little worse because I realized that I'm the same age as he was when he first seduced me. I have been in therapy before, but something happened that took precedence over my past traumas and then I had to move before I ever finished. I am looking into options for me to return back to therapy (finally) because I want to specialize in helping trauma patients. But I need to do the work first before I can help others. Thank you for offering me solutions, but as Jono says about Healers, I will work through this. I have already thought over all the things that I need to do, and I will. So while I understand that you mean well with your comments, and I thank you for showing your concern and care in your way, I did not make this post for people to respond with answers or results for myself. I just wanted to share my own experiences for others to understand and to let anyone else who may not want to talk about their own experiences to know that they are not alone.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-26 14:49:24 +0000 UTC

Well I will say just the act of blocking him is you taking your power back. He can't message you unless you let him. He can't do a thing on Facebook to you without your say so, but if he continues to be a problem you may have to talk to your family about it and maybe a restraining order? I know it's odd with you only being there to visit family but you should feel safe to visit your family. Not have to feel like you gotta look over your shoulder.

Mostwoeful

2024-04-26 14:25:05 +0000 UTC

I'm so sorry that was your experience; it wasn't fair to you either. I'm sure there were positive things you learned, but you shouldn't have had to do that.

Angie

2024-04-26 14:07:08 +0000 UTC

As someone who also reads books that are considered problematic, I understand where you're coming from. My disappointment here isn't really that they themselves didn't understand it, but that they didn't say, "Okay, we clearly don't see the big deal here. Let's find someone who does and try to come to an understanding before jumping into this." They did in the video, yes, but they're usually better about bringing someone on to be a guest to talk it over with them (see their Love, Simon episode). As someone who is comfortable with talking about my own trauma, I would love to be that person. Sadly, I'm just a random nobody on the internet. But I know there are others like me who are further along in their journey in becoming a licensed therapist/counselor who can speak to this movie. That doesn’t mean there weren't multiple times where I found myself trying to talk to them through my screen. Like when they kept talking about Jareth's character design. He's an owl! His hair looks like that because it's emulating the shape of an owl's head. And his cape matched his hair because the people filming knew they were going to have him change to his owl form when Sarah defeated him. I do wonder, also, if they were thinking that this would be similar to their Twilight episodes where they openly bashed the movie and Edward. But even in those they talked about how problematic Edward was multiple times, and how Bella should have reacted. This time, Alan had to drag it out of Jono, and it was clear that he didn't want to talk about it. As someone who has met many therapists, and as an aspiring therapist, I know that not all of them interpret things the same way and that they're very human. Totally fine, and even beneficial because it means everyone can find someone they can talk to. But I would have much preferred if they said, "Hey, sorry Patrons, but we don't think this film fits in what we want the show to be about." Then blacklist like they did with other movies, and then move onto the next highest option. Thank you for reaching out and responding back. The movie itself doesn't feel cheapened to me, I stand by my interpretation of it. It was just Jono's interpretation of the beginning of the movie that made that scene be cheapened, and I wanted to express my side of it in hopes that others who haven't seen the movie will read it and not immediately dismiss the movie altogether.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-26 14:01:28 +0000 UTC

I wish I could give you more hearts, Jordan. You put what is in my head much more eloquently than I could. I keep reminding myself everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I know this. Even so, I felt like I was getting heckled while watching this.

Kristina Armstrong

2024-04-26 13:55:14 +0000 UTC

Sarah got off easy. I helped raise my half siblings after school and on weekends. From like age 12 until I graduated (8 yrs and 16 yrs between me and my siblings). She only had to watch him 1 night a week. Granted I was too terrified of my mother to act in anyway like Sarah but still

Mostwoeful

2024-04-26 13:53:10 +0000 UTC

I like this movie because people have very strong feelings about it, and I like to see/make people uncomfortable. I mostly only like it because other people don't.

Amber

2024-04-26 13:42:15 +0000 UTC

I don't live in the same area as him anymore but my family is all still there. So it's only a concern for the rare occasions I visit. I blocked him as soon as that happened. I didn't think to block him sooner because it had been ages since we talked last, so I assumed he was over me. This also just barely skirted the time before social media, so I didn't think of him having a profile. That, obviously, was not the case 😕.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-26 13:38:58 +0000 UTC

I never saw that movie, but if we ever meet and you have the time, I would love to talk a bit about the very very deep pits that is the fantasy world of a person that was raised female. Boy have I some news for you XD

Lyndis Cealin

2024-04-26 13:35:21 +0000 UTC

I'm sorry you had to deal with that and technically still have to. While I had sexual abusers I had the benefit of moving away from them and them not having my contact info (it also predated social media so some benefits there). I've had to put a sort of block on my messenger/Facebook so random people can't send me messages (had an issue with an internet bully) have you had the chance to do so?

Mostwoeful

2024-04-26 13:34:54 +0000 UTC

I hope the following can help you a little and I am able to get my point across without making it worse for you. I am obsessed with a book series that even half the fandom thinks is problematic and completely unrealistic. It isn't for me. It's one of the most realistic depictions of a lot of topics I've ever read. A lot of people say it's badly written. A lot of people in the fandom say you shouldn't read it even though they themselves are obsessed with it. I don't feel like that. I love how it's written and I think if you have a basic understanding of the topics in the series it's a very powerful story that teaches a lot of good lessons. And I won't be swayed, because it's true for me. I don't care if it isn't for others. What I am trying to say is: Others not seeing the same thing in media doesn't mean it's not true for you. Or for others. The desire for others (especially icons like our internet dads) to see the same is real and natural, but it's nobodies responsibility to make media worthwhile for you. They can't cheapen anything for you if you don't let them. They don't have power over you. Everyone goes into situations with a different set of experiences and expectations, that's just being human. And seeing that even a therapist is no superhuman who can relate to every facette of human life, is actually a pretty valuable take away, in my opinion. Get your strength from wherever you can and go with it ❤️ I deeply hope you will find the moment where you can say 'You don't have power over me' and I think this right here is a very good place to start. I wish you the best ❤️

Lyndis Cealin

2024-04-26 13:19:01 +0000 UTC

I'm going to be honest here. I watched the movie as a kid, a teen, and an adult and as the eldest daughter of 3 kids who had to watch her siblings practically acting as a mom for them I never really understood why this movie is so beloved. I never identified with or liked Sarah because as it was stated in the video she's spoiled and acts far younger than she is. I also agree with the guys about the set design it's pretty drab. I liked the little blue British worm from the beginning and the knocker puppets as you guys mentioned. I do agree with some comments though the mythology is based on the book Sarah recites by memory. Overall though it's not a movie I love, one of those my mom likes a lot and I'm not sure why situations (there's a few of those)

Mostwoeful

2024-04-26 13:17:29 +0000 UTC

I just love the puppets. It's not a movie that sticks with me, but everytime I watch it, I'm having fun. As an introverted person (with undiagnosed ASD) I don't think that she's just a spoiled brat. Not meeting friends can be plans. But I do get what you guys are saying. It sure isn't compareable to Dark Crystal.

Darmoyn (Jonas)

2024-04-26 10:58:20 +0000 UTC

This is definitely a video that could have used a female guest to educate. I know we got this video earlier than YouTube so maybe you should reshoot this one before putting it out there. Also a lot of this story's plot comes from understanding the book she is obsessed with. I also want to say it's okay to want to be alone and play by yourself, I think one of the reasons why she is upset at babysitting is because this is a new role she has been forced into as many girls usually are forced to be "mommy's helper" growing up with younger siblings and having to take care of them.

Caressa Taylor

2024-04-26 08:30:28 +0000 UTC

Having read all the comments I will sum up why two grown men didn’t like this movie. It’s for a teenage girl. Even as children Jono and Allan would not have been able to understand the nuance’s of Sara. A lot of her character is known inherently by teenage girls and would not have needed to be explained. Emily Powers's comment did really well, to explain it. And I agree there are some ASD traits in there that would not have been recognised in the 80s/90s. Especially the juxtaposition of fantasy vs reality, fairness and “the way it is”, and learning who and what role models to look up to or reject.

Beth Barton

2024-04-26 07:22:07 +0000 UTC

I think it's fairly straight forward 'careful what you wish for' movie. The unexplained things about the plot are hitting the audience as surprises just as much as Sarah is surprised by the true nature of her fantasy world. She wishes her brother to stop crying: he's taken away indefinitely. She calls on a fantasy Goblin King to fix her problems: he manifests with intentions she couldn't have foreseen. She wanted to live in a fantasy world where creatures existed: she's stuck there and it's actually a crappy place that's less 'fair' than her current life. She sums it up with 'things aren't always what they seem in this place, so you can't take anything for granted.' By the end she realizes that the book she recites at the beginning is also her ticket to getting out of the fantasy world, and as the book prescribes, she has to face the Goblin King alone. By the end, she learns to value her real life and develops pity for the creatures that were mistreated in her fantasy world. She creates an alternative beneficial fantasy where she can call upon her goblin friends, rather than wish her fantasy replaced her reality. Labyrinth was a classic in my house growing up. My family still quotes many lines. I do think this movie needs to be watched at the critical age where you don't question the puppets, dancing, or musical nature of the fantasy. Maybe you guys were just late to the (dance) party!

leafsheepz

2024-04-26 05:27:40 +0000 UTC

Tbh, so were we. We generally like movies. Or at least understand WHY people like them. This just rubbed us (including Megan, writer/producer of the show) the wrong way. Taste really is subjective!

Alan Seawright

2024-04-26 04:31:02 +0000 UTC

I gotta say, I was super bummed after watching this. Labyrinth has been my favorite movie my entire life and is responsible for starting my love of movies. I think this movie was made to feel nostalgic and fantastical. Like many have said, it features a female protagonist which is probably why many fans are female. And yeah, she’s not super likeable but she’s a teenager and most teenagers don’t go on a journey and become the most amazing person ever… they learn simple lessons from normal things and they continue learning as they grow… but for a teenage girl, taking your own power back is very powerful. Plus, she made a mistake in wishing her brother away, took ownership, and fixed it. She should get some credit for that. But this movie… It ‘s weird and makes no sense which means a lot of people can put themselves into the story and make it anything they want. It’s definitely childlike on purpose cause that’s usually what Jim Henson brings to the table and it brings together music and movies in the best way (I listen to this soundtrack regularly because I think it’s amazing)… even if it’s silly sometimes. But this movie has carried me through life (and means a lot to my dad and I specifically) so I was sad to see you guys hate on it so much. You’re totally entitled to your opinion but it felt like there was more roasting than anything else. Oh and also, I think it’s implied that the goblin king regularly takes babies and they eventually become goblins… that’s why he has so many goblins. At least that’s how I have always interpreted it. I say all this with love cause I genuinely love every video you make but as a labyrinth fan, I was just kinda caught off guard with just how much you were LOATHING this movie ☹️

jordanthewizard

2024-04-26 03:48:35 +0000 UTC

I've seen Labyrinth like maybe twice and I don't get it at all, but I do love when people create fan theories for the meaning behind the weirdness of this movie. So here are some theories people have come up with to explain it all: https://www.ranker.com/list/dark-fan-theories-labyrinth/amanda-ashley

Winter Ranalla

2024-04-26 02:43:47 +0000 UTC

Yeah agree on that too! Those of us who consumed those kinds of stories could probably just accept certain plot points without them needing to be laboriously explained… like yeah just a hot goblin king doing what hot goblin kings do 🤷‍♀️

Jennifer

2024-04-26 02:07:25 +0000 UTC

Brilliant movie, but an acquired taste for sure!

Hollywood and Wine

2024-04-26 02:00:17 +0000 UTC

I’m sorry, guys. I voted for this movie expressly because I am a Bowie fan and have never seen the movie. Now I don’t have to!

K.

2024-04-26 01:17:53 +0000 UTC

So Jono, apparently the codpiece was on purpose?! https://comicbook.com/movies/news/brian-henson-confirms-david-bowies-codpiece-in-labyrinth-was-intentional-exclusive/

Angie

2024-04-26 00:36:36 +0000 UTC

My little brother and I have the same age gap as Sarah and Toby and I definitely had a similar attitude to Sarah at that age, even watching this movie on my brother’s first birthday

Shani Gribben

2024-04-25 23:08:13 +0000 UTC

As a ST:TNG nerd, one of the choreographers for this film is Cheryl McFadden, who goes by her middle name, Gates, for her acting credits.

Kes Yocum

2024-04-25 22:35:34 +0000 UTC

Maybe it’s a girl thing. I loved this movie as a kid and so did my friends, still do even as a grown up. I related to Sarah because I had 3 little brothers much younger than me that I was responsible for caring for. We had a single mother who was not around much. I agree that I always thought Sarah constantly saying, “ it’s not fair” was annoying but she does learn that things are not fair. When Huggle says, “ It’s not fair!” She replies, “no it isn’t, but that’s they way it is.” And realizes this for the first time. Also, Sarah makes a childish wish not understanding it is real and immediately regrets it. She also realized that she actually does love her baby brother a lot. I always thought her mom must have died and she is grieving. Based off the pictures on her mirror. By the end she realized that she needed to move forward with life and not be so selfish.

Jeunee

2024-04-25 22:28:46 +0000 UTC

Never saw the movie, was never really interested in it. Bowie looked cool, but...that's not enough to make me want to watch it. Thanks for confirming that I didn't miss anything.

Zain Orion

2024-04-25 21:59:26 +0000 UTC

Thank you for making me not like this movie. I used to love this so much because it was a great escape from my life and I loved the idea of someone loving me from afar even if they are bad for me. She also finds friends along the way. I wanted that when I was younger. Now that I’m in healthier mindset, I can see your side and how ridiculous the movie is.

Julie Tracy

2024-04-25 21:47:37 +0000 UTC

We watched this is 4th grade I think, it was interesting. I just liked the puppets. Never liked David Bowie. Why would people not like the movie? I should rewatch it I guess.

Bryan Bowes

2024-04-25 21:38:27 +0000 UTC

I haven’t seen this in years, but I was wondering if it would be like H & R Puff’nStuff. It made sense when you were young but it questionable if not horrifying when viewed as an adult.

Darcie Daniels

2024-04-25 20:07:42 +0000 UTC

Oof, y'all don't like Labyrinth? Very brave of you to admit that on the internet lol. People here are already upset, so I fear for the YouTube comment section 😂 I grew up loving the movie, but it was mainly just because I loved the puppets and set, and music. I wasn't really there for the "story," it was just fun. It is a special movie to me though, as it's the first film I ever studied. I had an English teacher in high school that loved movies, and we had a month long focus on film writing and cinematography. Labyrinth, and more specifically the Dance Magic Dance scene (Which I will not stand for that DMD slander, how DARE) was the subject of my first film paper. It certainly helped launch my interest in filmmaking!

Kambria

2024-04-25 20:00:12 +0000 UTC

It's obvious flaws aside, I think the staying power of this movie is one part camp/nostalgia, and one part a broken clock being right twice a day. This movie accidentally hits on a seam of shared experience for adolescent girls: the dangerous combination of still living with a lot of naive, childish fantasy in your head and falling under the manipulation of an older man. I think the film makers intended something slightly less sinister, more on the level of Never Ending Story (book) which has a stern warning against escaping into fantasy too much. But they were more near the mark of real life experiences for women than they probably knew. I think that's why you see a gender divide on this one.

Jamieson Taylor

2024-04-25 19:33:05 +0000 UTC

So just FYI, Terry Jones (yes, that Terry Jones) was the original screenwriter, basing it off a novella written by Henson's Dark Crystal collaborator, Brian Froud. His script then went through 25 revisions (!) so maybe that explains the confusion. I would pay good money to read the original. I also think this film shows the effects of Henson's unique and all-consuming creative drive mixed with the burnout of mounting one ambitious project after another.

Jamieson Taylor

2024-04-25 19:23:26 +0000 UTC

Agreed w/ everything Saucy just said above. Also, major reasons to love the Labyrinth: 1) Muppets creature and set design; 2) DAVID BOWIE. Maybe you guys didn't get it, but at that time, he was considered a big star and many young ladies found him attractive, so yeah, he was a big draw. Maybe the songs weren't his best works, but having been at his commercial peak at that time, young ladies like myself loved him in this. Obviously, I saw this much later after it came out (I'm about the same age as you guys) so I probably didn't see it till 10 or so years later. But even then, he was still popular and so were the Muppets. Plus, Jim Henson and company were on a roll around that time with Dark Crystal having come out a few years before this, so the darkness and world building from that movie was highly expected from this film. I think for me, when watching as a young kid, I loved the puppetry and wondered how the heck they did stuff and brought those characters to life. While Labyrinth isn't my favorite Henson Company film, it is in the top 5. Yes, I have watched it as an adult. Still enjoy. Jareth's costume makes for a great Halloween costume. My favorite Henson movies are (in order): Dark Crystal, Muppet Christmas Carol (you guys did this one already), Big Bird in China, Labyrinth, and The Great Muppet Caper. Honestly still waiting for you guys to tackle The Dark Crystal. If you did it, I must have missed it, but sure would love to see you guys react to that one.

Crystal Kirkley

2024-04-25 19:16:22 +0000 UTC

The framing of SO many of the shots in this film are why, as a cosplayer, I DEMAND that Spiderman and Zentai cosplayers wear dance belts.

Smidge

2024-04-25 19:04:38 +0000 UTC

If you look super close at the mirror in Sarah's bedroom (I was obsessed with this movie growing up so I studied every frame, lol!) you see a taped-up press clipping of a stage actress with her co-star who (surprise!) looks just like David Bowie/Jareth. This is elaborated on in the novelization: her mother is a successful actress who took off for New York or wherever and has a super-hot boyfriend/co-star who Sarah has a bit of a confused (unreciprocated, of course) crush on. So of course when Jareth shows up that's who he looks like. It's all rather Freudian.

Eve72

2024-04-25 19:01:16 +0000 UTC

Okay, I just rewatched after calming down for a bit. Still upset. She didn't invite him in, at all. She made a childish wish without knowing that he was real in the first place. He then swooped in and took Toby before she had a chance to even do anything. She immediately started begging for him back, and that's when he starts manipulating her. And she went alone to face him because that's what her book from the beginning of the movie does. So she's wanting to become this strong woman who she idolizes from her book. While I don't identify with Sarah and her views on fairness or bratiness, I identify with her as a victim of someone who manipulated her into doing everything he wanted. And I'm sorry, Jono, but you cheapened that moment of, "You have no power over me," for others who may be dying for that moment to happen for them (see the comment I posted before this aired). It's not just saying it that matters, it's saying it and being able to actually mean it. It's that empowering moment of telling someone who has had a grip on you that they don't matter. I've been working toward that moment for years, and years now and I'm still not there. And no, I'm not alone in that because I know other women who love that scene for the same reason. So, no, I'm not upset that you guys didn't like the movie. That's fine. You guys came into this as dads, so your response in hating it is valid. But I was so hoping that there would be more discussion about the power of overcoming an abuser and maybe identify some of the tactics he used to get to her that other groomers may use. Things like when he made her feel helpless, isolated her multiple times, made her feel special at the ball by dancing with her, etc. I still love the show. I'll keep watching and remain a Patreon. But damn if this one just completely missed the mark for me.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-25 18:17:32 +0000 UTC

I’m a big fan of Labyrinth. As a kid I just enjoyed the weird world, creatures, and puppetry. I do have your feelings of dislike towards 2 other iconic childhood movies though. Dark Crystal and The Princess Bride. I can see why people would enjoy them from a nostalgic sense but having seen them both for the first time as an adult, I fail to see how they’re actually good. To each their own though. Apologies if that triggers anyone lol. 😅🙏

Clay

2024-04-25 17:51:15 +0000 UTC

Agreed. But also, it pulls from a lot of old (pre Disney) folk lore that can be unsettling for those unprepared for it. It makes me think of the story of Tam Lin, stories of Changelings, and the Seeley and Unseeley courts (Mostly Unseeley. Who are known to surround themselves with ugly and grotesque goblins but are often depicted having a beautiful king or kings son). Many of those stories present very similarly to Labyrinth.

Tiana Horsey-Daydreamer

2024-04-25 17:48:24 +0000 UTC

As to your question of why I love it... I apparently have terrible taste in music cause I enjoy it. 🤣🤣 I find the characters interesting and similar to a lot of old fairy and folk tales which I read a lot as a kid. It also makes me think of animatronic/puppet Miyazaki. I'm sorry, but when I was a kid... I always interpreted the end the way you guys said was a stretch. 🤣 10 year old me was all over Sarah realizing she has power and taking it back. The clock striking 15 was because the clock always had 15 numbers on it because she had 15 hours to find Toby. The Goblin king was very similar to old fae, the creepy and chaotic. Kidnapping babies (changelings anyone?) and there are a litany of old stories about magical creatures stealing human brides. It's a patchwork quilt of folk lore, amazing set design, stunning puppets (not all fae are pretty and that's okay) and apparently trashy music that I still like. Lol I am sorry that you guys didn't enjoy it though!

Tiana Horsey-Daydreamer

2024-04-25 17:40:54 +0000 UTC

Oh, definitely! The puppets and costumes are all amazing. Just very strange.

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-25 17:26:03 +0000 UTC

Based on some articles I've read about the making of Labyrinth, Terry Jones (who wrote a lot of the screenplay) added whole scenes and design elements REALLY late in production, which may partly account for why the film seems all-over-the-place thematically. And even though I still like Labyrinth in general, I've never loved the codpiece scenes...which I refer to as "David and His Bowie." 🤦‍♀️

Nicole Robertson

2024-04-25 17:23:08 +0000 UTC

She doesn’t even have to tie them! She wore her rain boots to school today. 😂

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 17:23:08 +0000 UTC

I mean, she's not wrong. Putting on shoes is really terrible. 😆

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-25 17:22:22 +0000 UTC

I love this movie. But when I was a kid I had 2 great fears in life. 1. When my brother turned 6 he would magically become Calvin from Calvin and Hobbs and torment me for life. 2. When I turned 16 I was going to become Sarah and have to be an insufferable pain. 🤣😂 I did threaten my brother with sending him to the Goblin King when he annoyed me too much though. I'd even start the chanting but I was always afraid if I actually finished the lines he'd get kidnapped so I always cut off without saying that I wanted the goblins to take him away.

Tiana Horsey-Daydreamer

2024-04-25 17:19:36 +0000 UTC

I think your criticisms were more than fair. You guys are allowed to not like a film, and kudos to you for giving your patrons what they want, even if it's not exactly what they wanted. Great video as always

Connor Maxwell

2024-04-25 17:12:08 +0000 UTC

Precisely all of this.

Kristina Armstrong

2024-04-25 16:51:15 +0000 UTC

If you’d like to react to/analyze a good 80s movie, might I suggest Steel Magnolias? I watched it for the first time a few weeks ago, and I loved it. Also, a movie that isn’t from the 80s but mostly set in the 80s that would be a great reaction/analysis is The Iron Claw.

Catherine Ginn

2024-04-25 16:51:04 +0000 UTC

Is Sarah actually selfish, more than other children of similar age? We don't know what she's been through but we do know that divorce is a trauma for the whole family. It's not entirely fair for the dad and stepmom expect her to babysit the child they chose to have - why is she supposed to feel beholden to them to babysit? I'm not sold here. I'll have to watch it again to really know, but I feel like this is really shallow writing.

Angie

2024-04-25 16:41:06 +0000 UTC

It sounds like you guys just don’t get the movie because you have never been in the mind of a teenage girl. Jareth is a figment of Sarah’s immature, teenage desire. He is powerful and dangerous but devoted to her and obsessed with her and her alone. This is powerful, considering she obviously feels misunderstood and unseen by her family. I think I think he represents dangerous temptation and sexuality, which is why the creepy age gap does make sense in the context of the story. The “I will be your slave and meet all your desires, if only you submit to me” is quite seductive in a way that we know is unhealthy. Sarah resists Jareth but at the same time is obviously drawn to him. Also the movie establishes from the start in Sarah’s narration that Jareth was “in love” with Sarah and stole her baby brother because she asked him to/to lure her into his world. I think you guys missed that part. The dreamlike, bizarre nature of the Labyrinth world reinforces that it is a representation of Sarah’s inner fantasies, which are both shimmering and alluring (the ballroom scene) and dark and unsettling. The ending, where Sarah stands up to him and says “you have no power over me” is her resisting temptation and walking away from her immature fantasies. She has chosen self-determination over being seduced by a powerful man who promises her the world. It’s suggested that she can now return to her own world ready to pursue healthier relationships with other (real) people such as her family. I think as girls, we implicitly “felt” all this without it needing to be logically and explicitly drummed out. Also, you guys are dead wrong about the music, it’s 🔥🔥🔥

Jennifer

2024-04-25 16:35:08 +0000 UTC

As someone who has never watched this, but has instead accidentally watched Pan’s Labyrinth instead (no one ever told me what the difference was, and I watched it solo while living alone in a uni dorm) I can understand Jono’s cringe. That, indeed, is one lumpy bulge.

Hikari Yamato

2024-04-25 16:32:01 +0000 UTC

I'll admit, I found this movie intriguing enough to be entertaining.

liz edwards

2024-04-25 16:30:06 +0000 UTC

Omg it's been live 75 mins and we're at 100+ comments already - I guess the hot take is pretty 🔥? 😂 I thought it was just me all this time 🤦‍♀️😂

Angie

2024-04-25 16:28:10 +0000 UTC

If you want a much better story of taking your power back, I recommend the first Nightmare on Elm Street movie. And if you want a better lord of the labyrinth I recommend Hellbound's Leviathan.

Anders

2024-04-25 16:26:00 +0000 UTC

OMG. I just had a thought. Thinking about Labyrinth as an autistic coded movie, is Jareth a representation of neurotypical rules? They make no sense and they keep changing without rhyme or reason. At the end Sarah destroys him with the simple realization that NT rules have no power over her!

Smeeson

2024-04-25 16:25:23 +0000 UTC

book girls assemble

vidre crystal

2024-04-25 16:22:11 +0000 UTC

Oh I could write a thesis on why this movie spoke to yong girls. There were so many things that reached them. I could go on for hours. First of all, as noted by others, seeing a female protagonist in an adventure show wasn't common. But it also has a coming of age theme for girls which is still rarely explored. Going from daydreams and fantasy world of dress up and finding caring for a child as the worst burden to giving those up because the highest priority is caring for a child. Nobody explored that. (And, by the way, I'm not saying I agree with that but putting the move from chidlhood to mothethood as something fierce and adventurous is interesting.) Another layer is living a life full of drama and conflict and stories - always getting the tea and loving thr drama of it all. Jareth (at least it's not a name anybody had so they didn't have to be associated with the show) says that he has given her all the drama and reasons to feel sorry for herself that she could ever want. He's supplied her with all the angst -y stuff a teen girl could like. She just has to decide to live in the drama, in a world where it's always everyone else's fault, there's always tea to be spilled and he'll give her all of that. But just by recognizing and accepting that she doesn't have to live in drama, it leaves. I grew up in a childhood where I would escape into fantasy and sometimes that would would feel so powerful, it would pull me so far from my life, and I needed that. But at some point (when I was safe) I had to decide to engage with my life and leave the fantasy behind. I wasn't sure I could. I'm rambling. There really is a lot going on for a teenage girl of the 80s or 90s to love. But it felt like they packed in too many themes that got crossed and muddled together. Still, I think that the underlying coming of age theme for a girl (whether you agree with it or not) was nee and powerful and why it was loved so much.

Emily Powers

2024-04-25 16:21:37 +0000 UTC

Thanks for your input! I noticed a few signs in terms of emotional regulation, the fantasy play, difficulty with transitions/changes in plans, and some other things, but I didn’t want to make assumptions based on a 2 minute clip. I think it’s interesting to go back and revisit coded characters, but that’s my special interest lol.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 16:15:02 +0000 UTC

I liked it because it was the first time a Sarah on screen (TV or film) was the hero of the story and pretty and I thought I was none of those things when I was younger.

Drug Princess

2024-04-25 16:08:40 +0000 UTC

My experience with this movie? I fell in lust with Jennifer Conelly and watched certain portions of the movie to an unhealthy degree. I was thirteen, so she was an older woman. Now I'm fifty, and I can't watch the movie, because she's still seventeen in the movie, and I still feel the same, and that's... icky.

Anders

2024-04-25 16:04:32 +0000 UTC

You know, I hadn't thought about her as autistic coded, but now that you mention it, yes, that could make a lot of sense. Autistic girls tend to present much differently than boys and end up being kind of lost in the fantasies in their heads too much to pay attention to the real world. Viewing this movie as a weird little story line that she made up herself to teach herself the value of her little brother could definitely make for an interesting twist. 🤔 One of the things we often do as autistics is try to make ourselves more normal, but in order to do that we have to create work around in our minds to make the rules of the world make sense to us. I could see this being her work around to caring about her little brother.

Smeeson

2024-04-25 15:50:10 +0000 UTC

Thanks for loving us despite this.

Wiwik Anggraini

2024-04-25 15:49:34 +0000 UTC

I think that might be the biggest issue here. This is a coded movie... which I think is why it's so beloved by some people, and disliked by others.

Babyduckhat

2024-04-25 15:48:58 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I've definitely got a dark side, lol

Cinema Therapy

2024-04-25 15:46:44 +0000 UTC

Same 🤣

Alyssa Alden

2024-04-25 15:41:34 +0000 UTC

I haven’t seen it in a long time, and I had a question while watching if you don’t mind me asking. It seems like she might be ASD-coded based on the “LARPing” scenes at the beginning (with other nonRPG signs). Do you feel like that is the case, or is it just that scene?

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:40:57 +0000 UTC

Ooh good point

Alyssa Alden

2024-04-25 15:37:26 +0000 UTC

When someone did a video on how the body double was used the illusion was shattered. It’s one of the biggest, “Why can’t you just let me have this?!” things I’ve ever experienced.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:36:50 +0000 UTC

My favorite song in the soundtrack!

Alyssa Alden

2024-04-25 15:36:46 +0000 UTC

Thanks for helping me remember how bad this movie really was/is. Somehow over the years, my FOMO rewrote history and I’d convinced myself I would love seeing it again. After this, watching it again is a firm, hard No!

Sam Johnson

2024-04-25 15:36:40 +0000 UTC

Oh… we know 😳 sproing

Amelia from the BitchenBoutique

2024-04-25 15:36:21 +0000 UTC

Now I wanna go watch “never ending story” lol

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:35:28 +0000 UTC

I am a die hard fan, I watch Labyrinth at least once a year. Part of it, is the community. As a nerd, I can sing "You remind me of the babe." And immediately know who I will get along with by whoever responds immediately "What babe?" The other part of it is the magic of the labyrinth itself has always inspired my creativity. I ended up becoming a hard core D&d nerd, so it makes sense. 🤣 I love solving puzzles and riddles and I am FANTASTIC at mazes. Actually when I was a little autistic girl, mazes were my special interest and so were musicals so this combined the two together. 🤣

Smeeson

2024-04-25 15:35:21 +0000 UTC

I love that song! I have it in my downloads and every time it comes on while I'm at work, I have to play it at least a couple times.

Valkyrie Melancon

2024-04-25 15:35:19 +0000 UTC

There’s a part of me that feels for the mods on this one because it seems like it’s going to illicit strong reactions all around. Thanks everyone for their hard work!

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:34:59 +0000 UTC

The context of an adventure movie featuring a young female protagonist and a queer icon definitely should be acknowledged. I hate the age gap element a lot, but I think that this movie’s popularity makes a lot of sense in the context of when it was released.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:32:43 +0000 UTC

It's just a really childlike wonder type of movie I guess lol. I'll never unhear their complaints now lol

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:31:14 +0000 UTC

Maybe the Internet Moms would be the ones you should ask? Just about everyone I know who loves this movie is a woman or maybe a gay man. And yeah Bowie is a big part of that. (I personally just like it, not love it, because I’ve always been interested in the Henson Creature Shop.) I believe it was someone from Buzzfeed who analyzed Labyrinth as a metaphor for a young woman exploring her sexuality. It’s not a bad way to look at it.

Amelia from the BitchenBoutique

2024-04-25 15:30:35 +0000 UTC

Yeah, plus I think it’s the one thing that’s kind of addressed in the movie lore-wise. She summons him to take the baby, so it’s not really random.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:30:24 +0000 UTC

🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s cute

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:30:10 +0000 UTC

My toddler was watching with me and asked “why does that guy always wear that green shirt? Doesn’t he have any other shirts? Why can’t he change his green shirt mama?”

Emily Gravity

2024-04-25 15:29:47 +0000 UTC

I do recommend checking out Aurelio Voltaire “black labyrinth” album he dedicates the songs to David Bowie and he does amazing job with magic dance/underground

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:29:12 +0000 UTC

Jono just mentioned that you can find some good in this movie

Jennifer Noce

2024-04-25 15:28:43 +0000 UTC

I know fairies for sure were thought to take children, and halflings etc, there’s tons of mythology about that kind of stuff so that doesn’t bother me too much

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:28:36 +0000 UTC

Jono is a devastatingly effective hater 😂

BleakTea

2024-04-25 15:28:26 +0000 UTC

I was thinking that this episode was giving big Twilight episodes vibes 😂

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:28:22 +0000 UTC

You're very welcome 🤗

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:28:21 +0000 UTC

Same here, Chris! Also I did kind of have a crush on David Bowie as Jareth, still kind of do tbh. But now I think it's because of my trauma and other psychological things like being attracted to the "bad boy" type.

Valkyrie Melancon

2024-04-25 15:27:58 +0000 UTC

Specifically a goblin king wanting to steal babies. It’s a bit specific to be a coincidence.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:27:52 +0000 UTC

Agreed!!!

Emily Gravity

2024-04-25 15:27:34 +0000 UTC

Oh yeah, and the ballroom scene was shot on her 16th birthday. So…

Jen Gelber

2024-04-25 15:27:31 +0000 UTC

I think there’s a folklore connection between goblins and baby stealing based on the latest Doctor Who Christmas special.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:27:18 +0000 UTC

I feel like they are both so down on this movie that they can't see the actual really good stuff in it.

Chris N

2024-04-25 15:27:07 +0000 UTC

Why is that baby so cute though

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:26:42 +0000 UTC

It isn’t judgy, it’s just two different arguments. One is emotional. One it’s not. I love a LOT of movies that could be considered bad by a professional standard (books too), but i still find something i connected with emotionally. They are pointing out where this movie went wrong and hopefully a remake could make better. They aren’t judging people who connected with the story for a positive purpose.

Hannah Petersen

2024-04-25 15:26:18 +0000 UTC

Have they even mentioned "as the world falls down?" Cause that song makes me cry most times I listen to it

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:26:03 +0000 UTC

The point of the design aesthetic IS that it is unsettling. It's a world that is sold to her as beautiful and whimsical, but under the surface everything is deeply unsettling. The world mirrors Jareth and his personality

Chris N

2024-04-25 15:25:10 +0000 UTC

That and removing all sexual tension between the minor and adult. No creepy/sexual predator combo was necessary.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:25:08 +0000 UTC

Maladaptive daydreaming

SojoLife

2024-04-25 15:24:55 +0000 UTC

Saying anything is Good or Bad is a judgement

Jennifer Noce

2024-04-25 15:24:39 +0000 UTC

Yeah, this is what I lean toward too. If there was a little more explanation to the why of things happening, instead of “just because.”

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:24:19 +0000 UTC

I watched a lot of puppet-based children’s programming, so I really think that is important context.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:24:12 +0000 UTC

I can’t relate to Sarah at all as a character completely different personalities , she took her Brother for granted and the Goblin King took him Away and she regretted her decision 😅

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-25 15:24:09 +0000 UTC

I will say if they fixed the story plot and explain a little better I think this could be amazing movie

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:23:33 +0000 UTC

I wish you guys would stop talking about how it's a 'bad' movie. It objectively isn't considering how much of your audience connected with it. I understand if you don't like the movie, or the music, etc., good art can be divisive, but to make the judgement that it's a 'bad' movie, is... well.... kinda judgy.

Babyduckhat

2024-04-25 15:23:15 +0000 UTC

Yeah. I think this was more it’s appeal for me, even as a kid. I never really “got” Sara or anything.

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:22:33 +0000 UTC

Love the Muppets!

Sabrina

2024-04-25 15:22:17 +0000 UTC

Man, the child in me just doesn't get your arguments and the adult in me totally does and I as a whole person it's FRUSTRATING 😂😂😂

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:21:50 +0000 UTC

The zaniness of Labyrinth kinda stuck with me. Analyzing the plot as an adult is… well. I understand why it is getting torn apart. It could’ve been better, eh?

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:21:49 +0000 UTC

Listen, there are very few teenage girl heroes in adventure stories, especially at that time 🤷‍♀️

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:21:41 +0000 UTC

David Bowie and Jim’s puppets are a powerful combo for sure.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:21:31 +0000 UTC

It’s ok I thought he was good looking from this movie too lol

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:21:11 +0000 UTC

Cult classic =/= iconic.

Ember-Reece Richardson

2024-04-25 15:21:08 +0000 UTC

I totally agree, Chris! Samesies.

Babyduckhat

2024-04-25 15:21:06 +0000 UTC

It definitely is iconic

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:20:35 +0000 UTC

Do as I say and I will be your slave, those are the opposite thing

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:20:14 +0000 UTC

I’m swooning big time here 😖

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-25 15:19:55 +0000 UTC

The age difference really got to me

Hannah Petersen

2024-04-25 15:19:42 +0000 UTC

I just realized my grandmother kind of dressed like this. She definitely had a similar jacket.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:19:17 +0000 UTC

Oh no, at LEAST 3x her age. Eugh

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:19:17 +0000 UTC

Ha!

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:19:12 +0000 UTC

No one would ever judge you for crushing on Bowie

Jennifer Noce

2024-04-25 15:19:02 +0000 UTC

“Oh God!” —Jono seeing the- Brick

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:18:47 +0000 UTC

We would never. ❤️

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:18:34 +0000 UTC

Love the points on forgiveness. So true. So difficult.

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:18:17 +0000 UTC

I actually had a crush on him Big time in this don’t judge me 😖

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-25 15:18:02 +0000 UTC

JONO NOOOO

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:17:41 +0000 UTC

It was also nice to see a hero’s journey that had a young girl as a protagonist back then.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:17:34 +0000 UTC

You weren't alone

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:17:28 +0000 UTC

KING 👑 ENERGY

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:17:05 +0000 UTC

Love this movie. I saw this movie right at the right time for me. I guess. As for the tight-tight pants? Ask Jim Henson. It was his idea to keep them in the first place. Also, I think that pacing has changed since the 80’s.

Jen Gelber

2024-04-25 15:17:01 +0000 UTC

David Bowie made this movie , Goblin King 😁👌

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-25 15:16:35 +0000 UTC

For me, I had a really traumatic childhood, and this movie was sometimes a babysitter for me and my sister. It was a combination of escaping into a fantasy land, and seeing a whole group of characters stand up to their abuser was comforting. I always looked at it like a fairy tale. There isn't lots of explanations or character development in fairy tales, but there are lessons

Chris N

2024-04-25 15:16:22 +0000 UTC

Why? Just out of curiosity. That movie gave me night terrors.

Ember-Reece Richardson

2024-04-25 15:16:03 +0000 UTC

I would love that movie if it didn’t scar me for life. I’m 99% sure I’ve repressed it 😂

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:16:00 +0000 UTC

Oooooooh, BUUUURRRRNN Jono!!!

Jennifer Noce

2024-04-25 15:15:38 +0000 UTC

When I was young, I just like the weird glass juggling hands 😂

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:15:25 +0000 UTC

I’m not a fan of this movie I enjoy never ending story more

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:15:22 +0000 UTC

This movie was absolutely class 🤩

☮️🪬Sonar IllusionFox🪬☮️

2024-04-25 15:15:00 +0000 UTC

I just like weird and whimsy I guess.

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:14:49 +0000 UTC

She's growing up, and faces hardship, but still has childlike qualities at the end. I wanted to keep that sense of innocence like Sarah. And full disclaimer- Bowie made me realize I was queer so...

Ember-Reece Richardson

2024-04-25 15:13:51 +0000 UTC

I will say that I think a lot of girls connected to a movie with a female hero which was rarer at the time. Plus magic and monsters etc, might largely be aesthetic appreciation 🤔

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:13:50 +0000 UTC

I would have even accepted a jock strap. Literally anything.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:13:07 +0000 UTC

I’m just here for the sets and puppets and Brian Froud’s art.

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:13:03 +0000 UTC

They used like the thinnest and softest possible fabric for reasons that we will never know

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:12:27 +0000 UTC

Lab rats. xD

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:12:25 +0000 UTC

Haha never thought of that til you said it 🤣

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:12:02 +0000 UTC

I’m glad I’m not alone.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:11:59 +0000 UTC

The pants on Bowie are what I can't get over 🤣

Sabrina

2024-04-25 15:11:41 +0000 UTC

I’m sorry, but they could have given him a dance belt. Ugh.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:11:28 +0000 UTC

I actually like magic dance/underground I recommend listening to those songs from Voltaire his version is way more upbeat and it’s good

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:11:24 +0000 UTC

I AM SCREECHING IN MY BATHROOM WHEN I’M SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING READY FOR A MEETING! I’ve been waiting for this day for so long!!! 🥰🥹

KimberKimbo

2024-04-25 15:10:50 +0000 UTC

The hair is a wondrous thing really

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:10:49 +0000 UTC

As someone who has always found this movie creepy due to the combo of David Bowie and a teenage girl in a sexually charged puppet land, the shade is killing me 😂

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:09:26 +0000 UTC

That Ludo something costume looks pretty great though. I appreciate the craftsmanship

Dirk Ewers

2024-04-25 15:09:07 +0000 UTC

Jono's tripped on acid confirmed

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:09:02 +0000 UTC

Wouldn’t he be her half brother?

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:09:02 +0000 UTC

It’s showing she has compassion for weird monsters but not her parents lol

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:07:43 +0000 UTC

Teenagers are kinda unlikable. Who woulda thought lol, but now I'm not gonna watch this movie in the same way ever again 😂

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 15:07:38 +0000 UTC

I only like David Bowie in this lol

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:07:30 +0000 UTC

Never disliked this movie, but definitely wasn’t my cup of tea back in the day either. Seeing Alan and Jono going to town on this absolute gold nonetheless.

Eric Urmanita

2024-04-25 15:07:23 +0000 UTC

My grandparents had an old English sheepdog when I was a kid. Big, sweet, doggo. Best character in the movie? Lol Or Ludo.

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:07:04 +0000 UTC

Developmentally, it’s typical for adolescents to be obsessed with justice at that age. So her self-centeredness and obsession with justice isn’t that unrealistic.

Jimmy Danielle

2024-04-25 15:06:54 +0000 UTC

One of my favorite artist performed “magic dance/underground” and honestly he does amazing job with it :)

Rena Nice

2024-04-25 15:06:07 +0000 UTC

We’re often talking to our daughter about complaining right now, she’s 5. Everything is such a chore for her, even just putting on her shoes 😂

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:05:54 +0000 UTC

My dad used to say, “the last thing you want is for life to be fair.” I didn’t get it, and neither does my toddler 😂

Abigail Friedman

2024-04-25 15:05:48 +0000 UTC

I'm curious about your thoughts on Never Ending Story then. I loved Labyrinth because of the disturbing elements, but NES actually gave me nightmares. I'll take the smelly bog over lake of sadness.

Ember-Reece Richardson

2024-04-25 15:04:21 +0000 UTC

Nobody is likeable really lol

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:04:06 +0000 UTC

I feel like she’s supposed to be like 16 or so

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:03:55 +0000 UTC

I’ve never, in memory, ever seeing Labyrinth. It seems like I’m not missing anything

Jennifer Noce

2024-04-25 15:02:57 +0000 UTC

I think I saw it in high school and enjoyed it but I haven’t watched it in a looooong time. I’d rather watch the Dark Crystal if I’m going down the creepy puppet path

Stefan and Erin S

2024-04-25 15:02:48 +0000 UTC

Omg love this movie

Ali

2024-04-25 15:02:39 +0000 UTC

Lmao Jono’s reaction to learning the movie. “Eugh.”

IndyDraws

2024-04-25 15:02:04 +0000 UTC

Is it Therapist reacts, or rather: Jono needs to get therapized after this?

Dirk Ewers

2024-04-25 15:01:59 +0000 UTC

🤣 playing on a loop in hell… maybe I won’t watch it then

Emily Gravity

2024-04-25 15:01:03 +0000 UTC

"Battle of the Bulge" lol

Rob Foster

2024-04-25 15:00:27 +0000 UTC

You have power whether or not you’re using it at the moment. He’s a worm under your foot.

Amelia from the BitchenBoutique

2024-04-25 15:00:26 +0000 UTC

I sure as hell hope so because he confirmed that he hasn't let me go still just six years ago. He reached out to me on Facebook after I'm assuming he saw me walking around the city I grew up it. Had a massive panic attack in my car when I saw it. Thank you, Danielle 💕.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-25 14:51:54 +0000 UTC

Amen!

SaucyJTD

2024-04-25 14:50:41 +0000 UTC

That was just evil. Your power is growing every day.

Danielle Andrews

2024-04-25 14:49:43 +0000 UTC

Okay listen, I know exactly what kind of movie Labyrinth is, I am under NO illusions about how terrible and kind of bizarre the whole spectacle. But sometimes, you just love terrible thing cause you've got history with them. Like that first high school boyfriend; maybe you wouldn't even let him sit next to you on the bus today, but he's still walking around with a little piece of your heart in his gross pocket.😂

Ariel

2024-04-25 14:45:08 +0000 UTC

Two more: Jim. Henson.

Lauren Frey

2024-04-25 14:40:00 +0000 UTC

This is a very personal topic of mine, so I have been looking forward to this episode. Trigger warning below for talking about sexual abuse of a minor. Please, please do not read if this is something you struggle with. Self care first 💕. ---------------------------- I've talked about this in the Discord already, but my own Purple Man (Jessica Jones reference) used this movie against me. I was 11 and he was 32. He no kidding told me that I was his Sarah and he was my Goblin King. He told me that I was better, though, because I said yes to him instead of denying him. I was under his spell for almost five years until I was forcefully removed from him when my dad passed away. It has been 21 years since he first seduced me, and I still can't get him out of my head completely. It has lessened over time but I still get anxious when I see someone who looks like him and still avoid some things that remind me of him. This movie, though, was one of the first things that I took back control of. Because I want to break that mindset that he drilled into me of being better because I said yes. I want my moment of "you have no power over me," damn it, and I will get it.

SaucyJTD

2024-04-25 14:38:17 +0000 UTC

I think it helps to be a pre-pubescent/teenage girl in order to appreciate the movie. I related to it as this sort of "girl coming of age" tale, and about the confusing feelings brought on by daddy issues. I also think the character of Sarah is misunderstood (the way a lot of teenagers are misunderstood). You forget how bizarre and uncomfortable the transition is from childhood into adulthood once it's done, but also... there's context clues but no real discussion about her home life. The only adult she interacts with is her step-mom, and though she seems fairly reasonable, it's never addressed ... where is her real mother? Did she die? Did they divorce? Her father only talks to her through the door, I'm sure we can agree that divorce (or parental death) does things to a kid. You hear Sarah whine, "you really wanted to talk didn't you, practically broke down the door." And it sounds so whiney at the time, but ignoring the teen angst, there might be real pain there. Do you think her dad just sorta blowing her off is just this one-time thing? I think there's a lot more going on in the family dynamics, I think it's a story about a girl who finds the 'adult' world to be scary, threatening, and she has no support systems to comfort her or walk her through. She's left alone to navigate the labyrinth of adulthood as a girl (who is vulnerable). But she discovers a 'found family' who help her, and support her, and those are the people she'll keep. Also, it's just a puppet fairy tale, and truth be told, most fairy tales (when you really look at them) are kinda bizarre and unsettling! Haha

Babyduckhat

2024-04-25 14:37:04 +0000 UTC

Reasons to like the movie. #1 - David Bowie. # 2 - one of the greatest movie songs, "You remind me of the babe!" (I mean seriously, muppets dancing to David Bowie!) #3 - Again, DAVID BOWIE! And you really don't need more reasons than that!

MEO

2024-04-25 14:29:33 +0000 UTC

Why do people like this movie? Two words: David. Bowie.

Lauren Hubers

2024-04-25 14:27:40 +0000 UTC

I thought this was Pan’s Labyrinth when I first saw it, so I was super confused by the description! 😂

Carissa Cunningham

2024-04-25 14:19:09 +0000 UTC

Oh snap, this is epic!

Chris Breezy

2024-04-25 14:16:52 +0000 UTC

Oh my gosh, Labyrinth!

Lauren Frey

2024-04-25 14:07:49 +0000 UTC

DIRECTOR'S CUT: Therapist Reacts to LABYRINTH

Comments

I’m with y’all. Movie sucks

I’m just discovering this one exists, as someone who loves Labyrinth and Bowie. I’m ready to be mad

I liked the movie as a kid, but now I think it's an unfinished story and desperately needs to be redone with masterful hands

I hated this movie as a kid and severely dislike it now. I had most of the same issues with it as they John and Alan so it’s nice to hear others who feel the same way

Oh, my goodness, I see "The Black Cauldron" mentioned here! I was a child then, but I agree with the aforementioned movies (which I should either watch or rewatch now that I'm older). I'd like to add "The Land Before Time" (first movie only, please, lol!) to the list. Yay for these 80s movies!

I absolutely loved this roast of an episode, and all the controversy it sparked. 👏🏽👌🏽

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations (and even more in depth) that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

I wrote a reply before I read through all of the comments and found you had the same observations (and even more detailed) that I had.... Appreciated your thoughts!

...how do people not know Black Cauldron?! I know it's kinda niche, but.

I mean you no disrespect in my disagreement. I hope I was able to present a different perspective. And I apologize if I have sent you multiple notifications as I made new replies when I didn't gather all my thoughts together cleanly 🙈

"....to do instead" indicates it was a choice between social or babysitting. That's the *illusion* of choice, not a choice. An actual choice would be a social thing, or LARP in the park with her thoughts or literally anything else she chose on her own.

I don't know that she was beholden to babysit. The step-mother herself even says she'd love it if Sarah had something social to do instead.

I have to agree: This one feels pretty dismissive, even if the movie makes my skin crawl.

2. For all the cod piece talk. A friend passed on this piece of information to me that I would have to fact check. Allegedly, it was potpourri so the juggler juggling the crystal behind David Bowie wouldn't have to suffer alarming smells. If it's true, that's funny and thoughtful of David

Bonus thoughts: 1) For fellow Labyrinth fans, how many people have watched the Making of Labyrinth Documentary that was attached to the DVD?

Nailed it!

I remember there being some scary parts in Labyrinth but they didn't get to me that much as a kid. Pan's Labyrinth on the other hand? That movie was terrifying, the pale man still haunts me in my dreams.

I also would love to see a video exploring this more deeply. It just seemed like something they might not want to do because it would mean watching the movie again. To be clear, I wasn't mad, just seemed like a lot of people were.

Fair point

I second this motion. LOL Well said.

Preach, sister

Can you do it again? I know your schdule is about to get crazier, but I wouldn't mind a second one incorporating some of the feedback a year(ish) from now.

Honestly, I can see why someone wouldn't consider it a good song. It's not all that deep or original lol. I just have nostalgia and being easily entertained on my side 😂

I think its so funny, when you guys arent a fan of a movie. I also love the Notebook episode.

If anyone wants to explore the sub-genre of music that is ”goblins kidnapping a baby”, check out The Goblin Song from Doctor Who. Weird that it happened twice lol

Could be a little series or subgroup of your regular discussions. Could even be a Patreon thing so it doesn’t mess with YouTube’s algorithm. 😁👍

This!

Apology videos "at gunpoint" are meaningless and oftentimes garner more ire than completely ignoring the whole thing. If there was another video, I would rather see a proper deep dive into this movie with guests who enjoyed it than an apology video.

I sent it. because of the character limit there are a couple awkward spots, but it's all there. Thank you for being open to hearing others points of view on this.

I am sending it through the Patreon messaging system. I don't know if there is a character limit on the messages, so it may be sent as multiple messages. It's kind of long, so I apologize for that.

It's not solo LARPing, it's daydreaming. Some of us who do, did, or wander perilously close to maladaptive daydreaming are imminently familiar with ths.

100%

Omg you're right! My autistic son is VERY concerned about fairness. Well, probably a lot of kids are, but the fixation on it ...

meant to be yours by jamie Muscato from heaters is a romantic song

Another interesting connection: Jennifer Connelly plays Penny Benjamin in Top Gun: Maverick. She owns a bar that the characters interact in at a few points. When she first comes on screen, the juke box in her bar is playing a David Bowie song (Let's Dance).

Specifically, weird book girls.

Also, he grew up to become a special effects designer, puppeteer, and filmmaker as well.

Because he's the son of the conceptual designer Brian Froud (Toby Froud).

My reply to any mention of Atreyu: "Too. Soon."

The character of Ludo did inspire the name of my favorite band in middle school, who are from my hometown of St. Louis, MO, and for that I can’t ever entirely hate this movie! 😂

I think that art can still be valid and effectively deliver a message without catering to men’s comprehension and entertainment 🤷‍♀️ it is sad that art that is made for and loved by teenage girls is frequently trashed just because the male-dominated establishment doesn’t “get” it.

It was good for its time , the story is definitely all over the place that’s for sure and goes into to many directions almost like they couldn’t make there minds up on on sticking to something concrete if that makes sense 😅

One thing I will say is that a lot of fans love David Bowie. We DO NOT love Jareth, and by the end of the movie, neither does Sarah.

It's no Blackadder.

Anything with Malin in it deserves to be roasted, esp 27 Dresses.

Sarah Conner is a better choice when she came along I did upgrade.

You're not wrong!

Looking forward to it :)

Couples Retreat is actually a great idea!

Same.

I respect that.

We'll see? I mean, we did this with Twilight and The Kissing Booth. So maybe more :)

I appreciate that insight.

Maybe we were!

I am sorry for that. It was never meant to be personal. We got caught up in the moment and didn't mean to disrespect anyone. To us, this was a roast like our Twilight episodes and we had fun with it.

Jono, if you were perfect all the time, you would be boring. There's a compliment in all of this, I swear.

Oh my!

I appreciate these thoughts.

Oh no! Please, still like it if you like it! I still like James Bond even though he is almost always TERRIBLE. It's an escape. I just acknowledge film vs. reality.

We can handle it, haha. Agree to disagree on DMD, but glad it hits the spot for you!

I am dying!

I appreciate the insights how you called me out respectfully and directly. Apologies if I missed the mark.

Please do Dark Crystal next! It traumatized a whole generation 😂

Not rambling, I wanted other perspectives and you went for it!

Now you've got Sarah Conner! But yeah, this makes sense.

Way to draw personal boundaries!

Hey, likewise, haha!

Listen, maybe you would enjoy it? Lots of people here in the comments are fans.

ASD-coded is an intruiging take. I'll have to chew on that.

Sadly, several women on our team weren't huge fans of it either. But it's true, many women and queer persons adore and relate to the movie.

Overall this is Bowie's weakest music but that just says more about how good Bowie is overall...sigh, I miss him

Feedback taken.

I stand corrected. Good tune.

Very true. I mean, we didn't enjoy the ugliness, but that was kind of the point.

To be fair, there's nothing objective about any of this. We shared our opinion and asked for those who disagree to help us see it through their eyes. I do feel bad if we offended any who love the film. And to be clear, I love Xanadu, so maybe I'm not the best judge of 80's musicals.

Honestly, this is one of my favorite arguments for this movie. - Jono

It should be mentioned at this point that I've worked through my emotions and stuff on this, and that I'm not as upset now. I still stand by my points, but the emotion has been worked through. Thanks to those who have reached out 💕.

"....to do instead" indicates it was a choice between social or babysitting. That's the illusion of choice, not a choice. An actual choice would be a social thing, or LARP in the park with her thoughts or literally anything else she chose on her own.