Share your experience with me please.
Added 2024-02-12 10:12:31 +0000 UTCHello everyone. I’m thinking in 2024 of having a stab at making some paid video courses after various conversations and comments I’ve had that people would be interested. I’ve never sold a video course independently before, nor have I bought one. Until I have the website up and running I was thinking of using a service like Udemy or something. Patreon also allows such things but I don’t know how that works for non members. So I’d be interested to hear if you’ve ever purchased a course from a website like those before and what your experience was and if you have any suggestions for ones I should check out. I’d much appreciate your help you rave gremlins. Cheers.
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I'm about 25% through the S2S Arturia Pigments course. It's been great so far and whilst I'm familiar with Pigments, I've still found it worthwhile. I've not taken the Ableton courses but I'd be fairly confident in their quality. You'll get a good idea of his teaching style from YouTube. I think he's been working on updating courses for Live 12 so it might be worth signing up for the mailing list in case of promo discounts. Or ask Ned Rush for some one-to-one tuition! :)
James Stiff
2024-02-16 11:33:32 +0000 UTCIts this guy tubedigga. You can find him on YouTube insta or whatever. It was an expensive course, but just the stuff about the pad fx was worth it alone
Nathan Hook
2024-02-16 04:01:53 +0000 UTCC'mon, name the stinkers - help us OPNkenobi.
Hostnik McReeve
2024-02-16 03:58:45 +0000 UTCOooh, would love to know if you have any recommendations for learning material for a Live to Force workflow...
Hostnik McReeve
2024-02-16 03:57:40 +0000 UTCYou could say the same thing about YT or monetized social media in general. But you're here, so surely it's not as simplistic as that.
Hostnik McReeve
2024-02-16 03:56:29 +0000 UTCWhat did you think of the S2S course? What level were you at when you started it and what did you get out of it?
Hostnik McReeve
2024-02-16 03:55:10 +0000 UTCMy background: I'm new to Ableton, mostly from Logic/Garageband but played around with Bitwig for a little bit. When I got into making my own music a few years back I was seduced by the dawless concept, mostly because I use computers all day at work and wanted a break. As a result I never really produced much, and only recently realized that it was my avoidance of really mastering a DAW that was standing in my way, since in the end almost all music these days gets completed that way. So I decided to put away everything else and really master Ableton in 2024, at least until I really am comfortable producing music that I am happy with entirely in the box. At that point I'll be able to start looping in my hardware from a place of comfort that once the sounds are in there, I'll know how to carry them to a finished track. That said, I did Mary Spender/Rachel Collier's course, which was pretty affordable and approachable, and was tuned specifically for beginners to get us making music. I liked how rather than getting lost in the weeds from the start, they followed good instructional design aka "scaffolding". They gave a high level overview, then introduced more and more details as they came up throughout the process of actually making something. When I was done I felt comfortable navigating around, and comfortable not knowing the things I knew I didn't know. That's when I hopped on YT and started looking for more detailed ideas, and ran across your channel, and a few others I really like - FPs of course, Seed to Stage, Martiln, Sidebrain, Stazma, Moldy Warp etc. JK, that last one isn't about Ableton, but it's amazing and you should check it out anyway. I've definitely done courses of all kinds both for music and work on platforms like Udemy, Teachable, Groove3, MacProVideo etc. I think what's really missing in the market are people who can help others figure out their own way of working. Like a lot of people share their own ways, and that can be great if you want to make similar music or using their workflow. The whole idea of helping people learn how to find their way to their own sound within the software seems to be kinda out of reach of most of the current material out there. I think Seed to Stage might be the closest, but honestly I can't afford his course right now. So it's a matter of not just abandoning the teaching of technique and diving into exploration of substance, it's a matter of giving just enough technique and then observing where the gaps are that are keeping students from going where they want to go for themselves, and then helping them fill in those gaps. And of course this won't be the same for all students, but there are probably a few buckets that people fall into, so solving for those buckets might at least cover a large majority of cases. I think generally the model of having prerecorded videos combined with a Discord and private group/individual lessons is sorta the best of all worlds. The videos take care of the "table stakes", the Discord is there for ongoing inspiration and to break through momentary sticking points, and private group/individual lessons are there to dive deeper than it makes sense to on Discord/chat etc.
Hostnik McReeve
2024-02-16 03:52:15 +0000 UTCYES to your reply/comment. Skillshare is good and is less learn Ableton top to bottom than more focused stuff - although top to bottom always draws more beginners. I subscribe to Skillshare, it's good since it has a lot of shorter focused classes. Look here: https://www.skillshare.com/en/search?query=ableton+Live
Daniel
2024-02-16 03:24:58 +0000 UTCSome interesting comments. I appreciate everyone taking the time to post. I’m wondering if a compromise between all these ideas is maybe introducing a new tier that higher than the hangout tier and lower than private tuition tiers which is like a monthly workshop tier where we get on Zoom once a month and perhaps workshop some stuff as a group. There can be various topics we can all agree on would be good to explore. Like this comment if you agree. Cheers.
Ned Rush
2024-02-13 15:11:35 +0000 UTCI’ve liked ones where you can dl lessons for later. I’ve done ok with “classes” where everybody logs in and chats and maybe even zooms together. I have a Kadenze one that sounded good with John tejada but I didn’t click. It’s pretty hit and miss for me. But…One more successful video course for me was the sample slicer buddy one you did. That was pretty right on content. I never built anything in max before and it was easy to follow and a cool output.
James McIntosh
2024-02-13 03:44:22 +0000 UTCKeeping things on Patreon would be really nice. A focused kind of multipart course like the idm sample pack vids would be awesome!
Lucas Webb
2024-02-12 21:21:20 +0000 UTCAll depends which courses you get. I've had some fantastic ones - I've mentioned Rick snoman for example, I enjoyed some sonic academy ones. I've seen some shit ones too mind.
Steven Price
2024-02-12 19:43:17 +0000 UTCWhere do I start? I've bought tons of online courses 😂 for music production I always rated dance music production.com. Rick snoman is amazing. I have also bought proper stinkers too 🤣 🤣 🤣 I have TONS of them
Steven Price
2024-02-12 19:39:53 +0000 UTCYeah... maybe not just feedback from you but in more of a group setting
Double Tap
2024-02-12 18:06:07 +0000 UTCTrack feedback is something I’ve put off cause I’ve always felt like a bit of a fraud compared to getting feedback from a triple Grammy winner or something. I don’t feel like I’m qualified to tell people if their tracks are good or not.
Ned Rush
2024-02-12 17:41:12 +0000 UTCYes perhaps there could be some rules or something.
Ned Rush
2024-02-12 17:18:53 +0000 UTCMaybe everybody has to use Function or something on at least one section.
Double Tap
2024-02-12 17:09:28 +0000 UTCPerfect!
Double Tap
2024-02-12 16:57:46 +0000 UTCWhat about we all make a compilation?!
Ned Rush
2024-02-12 16:35:11 +0000 UTCI got a free intro to the ProducerTech platform and continued it for a couple of months, ages ago. Rob Jones is pretty good at laying things out, showing how to do stuff, but so are you and so are plenty of other people. But it felt like I was learning things without any concept of how to put it all together. For me the thing that's missing generally is not the how but the why - some of that's about learning composition and arrangement skills and I've mostly picked that up by analysing and semi-copying tracks I like. The other I think people really struggle with is not having any deadlines and you could probably do something quite cool in terms of contests or feedback sessions.
Double Tap
2024-02-12 16:33:33 +0000 UTCHey... I'll take what I can get!!! :-)
mckenic
2024-02-12 16:13:54 +0000 UTCWhat about a Ned Rush guitar course? 😂
Ned Rush
2024-02-12 14:54:07 +0000 UTCUdemy works pretty well. The platforms are all broadly similar. Having worked in online education I can say the challenge is usually student recruitment and retention neither of which the platforms help with much. As you have a trusted brand you may get more mileage from higher price one day online workshops for a limited number of people who can then interact with you and for whom you can give feedback etc. Doing this for M4L could be very interesting.
Riigs Music
2024-02-12 14:51:39 +0000 UTCI paid for a course on the akai force from a youtuber direct from his website. It wasn’t cheap but i don’t regret it at all. Helped immensely The stuff you do with session view and really using live as an instrument instead of a production platform would be worth a video course imo.
Nathan Hook
2024-02-12 14:48:08 +0000 UTCI signed up for a John Robson Blues Guitar course on Udemy. Not that Ive completed it, but I like I can log-in when I want and the resources tab is at the side of each video (pdfs, backing tracks etc) is very helpful. Im up for a Ned course wherever tho :-)
mckenic
2024-02-12 13:58:10 +0000 UTCCheck out soundfly.com I got this for the two piano course they have and recently Kiefer went on his own and made his own course at courses.kiefermusic.com i believe the platform he used to build the course is called thinkific.com
ppeegg
2024-02-12 13:16:05 +0000 UTCI don’t wanna be that guy but doing a course is kinda what grifters do. I would probably pay for a Ned Rush course though because your content is good. It’s the ultimate dilemma.
onefive
2024-02-12 12:03:32 +0000 UTCVirtuoso is nice but perhaps a little basic. I like how inclusive it is. I did online courses with Point Blank too. They were good. I’d be really interested in a Ned course. I wanted to do one on one but I can’t afford it.
bee
2024-02-12 11:49:20 +0000 UTCAlso worth a mention: https://www.punkademic.com They have a form for teaching enquiries linked via the footer.
James Stiff
2024-02-12 11:43:41 +0000 UTCIn addition to the above suggestions, I've taken some courses based on the following platforms (as a student): https://teachable.com (Seed to Stage) https://thinkific.com (WRKSHP - The Push Bible) https://www.domestika.org/en The first two appear to be geared towards those wanting to set up their own personal branded tutoring services while the latter is closer to the Udemy/Skillshare model.
James Stiff
2024-02-12 11:40:10 +0000 UTCAsk video, elephorm, udemy, groove3 are the sites I visit the most. I think there are also more autonomous solutions. Look at what PML does, which sells its training live but uses a broadcasting platform with advantages such as the automatic generation of subtitles, the organization of evaluations... What’s good if you’re targeting a wide audience With your knowledge, humor and your pedagogy you should have great successes.
Bouchard
2024-02-12 11:01:42 +0000 UTCI took some courses (Buchla Music Easel, Octatrack) at AskVideo in the past. They were really helpful and I like the platform. I also offered courses myself on Skillshare, but that platform wasn't useful for my purposes.
Anthony Fiumara
2024-02-12 10:39:49 +0000 UTCHmmm. Seems Patreon can do it too. https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/16303719836813-Commerce
Ned Rush
2024-02-12 10:24:46 +0000 UTCI learned all my basic electronic music theory and how to get around Ableton through Udemy and it worked wonders for keeping the information locked in my brain: https://www.udemy.com/course/ultimate-ableton-live-complete/?utm_campaign=2023-12-05&utm_content=promo&utm_medium=1147828&utm_source=email-sendgrid&utm_term=913001 I can't imagine you'd need to change much from your usual teaching style as you already have a nice mix of defined goals and general experimentation to get results!
BackSackNGuac
2024-02-12 10:17:19 +0000 UTC
