Womble's Soapbox - DayZ Standalone - 03 Activities
Added 2016-07-02 07:47:28 +0000 UTCThe third part is ready. The links to parts 1 and 2 should be in the description if you've missed them before.
I'd love to hear what you think. The parts that really worked for you and especially bits that didn't. That way I'll be able to modify my arguments to try and present the most convincing case I can.
Please don't share this! It's not ready for public release. All nine parts need to be together, as individually each point is quite weak.
Next week, back to making a bullshittery episode. Thank you for your patience. I really like making these ones :)
Comments
For some reason the first two parts are detected by Google as a "security breach" and I can't access them. Is there any way you can post them here, please & thank you??
Callum Gardiner
2016-07-17 02:57:01 +0000 UTCHa Thanks mate but i guess its too late now :D
LoneWolf38
2016-07-07 16:52:53 +0000 UTCI think that the audience he is addressing as *we* is the regular players of DayZ, he does address that DayZ has over 1 million players as it did (and might still do) which will vary between hardcore players to the people who log on once a month die and leave it for a month. I think the *we* he is referencing to are the people from the mid tier to the hardcore tier, the people who have played Epoch, overpoch, origns and other mods since they are the people who will have valid opinions of the differences. (Yet again I posted this by mistake before finishing) Along with this I think the MAIN not sole audience for the video falls under the same catargory, I'm sure all his fans enjoy watching his DayZ videos for there humour but not all for their understanding of the game and what is happening and I'm sure he knows this, this video feels very tailored to the people who understand DayZ and play it enough, obviously at the same time he is trying to make the video open enough to give the less informed enough information. Now excuse me if I haven't taken away the proper opinion from your comment but I feel like the video serves it purpose very well, DayZ being the MASSIVE game it is with MANY MANY mods and lots of history to it I feel it would be very difficult for him to generate a video that 'rants' as he puts it about the games in a manner which would all everyone watching to be informed. I myself am not a major DayZ player but I've played a decent amount in the past on some mods, and watched a lot of FrankieOnPCs videos so I get the game if that makes sense. However the video might contain segments that I might think "that's never something I've experienced" but I have to look at this from the perspective of someone who has effectively lived and breathed this game for many years and has to watch its younger brother fuck everything up so to speak :P I do agree with a lot of your points but I feel like these points could be applied to a later video or not applied solely on the fact that the size of the games story (history, mods etc) would make it difficult to make everyone watching informed enough to be on the same level as Womble or hardcore DayZ players and there for would make these videos very long and also make the (in what I would assume :P ) majority of his viewers kinda bored cause they'd have to learn a lot of basic stuff they always knew. Not saying your wrong friend btw just saying I think some of what your saying shouldn't be changed based on my understanding on what your saying :P
Edgar
2016-07-06 18:33:27 +0000 UTCBecause I can't reply to you directly and I don't know if you'll still see my comment when I reply to my own, I'm posting it on top here. The list is fine, well-packed, it gives a perfect overview for those who've never played DayZ. Great footage. I've rewatched the video a few times now to try and put my finger on where the underbelly feeling of "it's a bit fluffy" comes from. Upon reflection I think that feeling doesn't really stem from any actual fluff, it's that throughout the video you already conflate DayZ vanilla, standalone and Epoch/Overpoch/etc. without addressing it earlier. Keep in mind I know next to nothing about DayZ and its community. Around 1:10 you say "It's that the DayZ standalone doesn't appear to be trying to copy the formula of the DayZ mod". Because you've talked in earlier parts about the original DayZ mod developer being hired, etc. thus far my brain is primed to think that you're saying "It's that the DayZ standalone doesn't appear to be trying to copy the formula of the *original* DayZ mod" When you criticize the standalone by saying "The activities in the standalone either exclude or improperly replicate the activities [..] in the DayZ mod", as a casual viewer it appears to me that you're building the case that the original developer (who, from what you've said, appears to be somewhat in charge) somehow won't implement all the great features that he did implement in the mod. Of course, I understand after watching the full video that this is *not* the point you are trying to argue, but I'm not aware of this crucial difference while watching the first bit. Just before you start your criticism around 8:00 you do already allude to the fact that these are different incarnations of the mod, where I as a viewer begin to get tipped off. After it becomes clear around 12:00 that the point you've been arguing is that Bohemia & co should've realized that they are no longer in control of the public's perception of DayZ and that they should adjust their development priorities based on the features in other DayZ mods that proved popular, it feels like the build-up isn't entirely fair. Being completely blank on DayZ, to find out halfway through the video that you've been bait-and-switched and the "cool" DayZ you've been talking about is actually another third-party mod built on top of the original mod feels like being convinced to take a plane to Italy by a travel agent but finding out the plane actually landed in Norway. Both absolutely lovely places, but a bit incongruent given your expectations. It's the difference in expectation on what's being set up and your actual point that leads to the (false) feeling that there was too much time being spent on something which ultimately wasn't the full picture. This is because the comparison of features with Epoch suddenly feels less relevant, because the real question isn't why they are somehow failing to deliver on all these features, but whether they should implement these at all (and whether they can still call something DayZ if they don't). (To be fair, you do acknowledge the fact that your base of comparison differs heavily from what is known as "vanilla DayZ" quite early on. However, because I have no idea about how relevant these differences are I'm not fully prepared for how this will affect my opinion on what you preach.) To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I largely agree with the stance you've displayed thus far. I'm trying to share my perspective and this nagging feeling that arose in the background while watching. Who do you see as your audience. When you say "The modders didn't decide what features should go into the game, *we* did", who is we? Should I include myself? Is that the full audience? Also, a few minor nitpicks: -1st mention of placeholder AI is confusing, is it positive, negative? What is the image meant to evoke? -The "Give the people what they want" film footage IS a bit fluffy and could have some frames inbetween trimmed without sacrificing the line. -When you have the two paintings side by side with the puzzle pieces missing from the right, when you fade to the full painting the painting jumps a bit Hope you enjoy this perspective for what it is. I might be putting things on a bit heavily, English isn't my native language so discussing things with nuance is very hard.
Govert Versluis
2016-07-05 13:53:45 +0000 UTCHi, Womble. I appreciate your going in depth for your criticism on DayZ Standalone. However, I wouldn't be too sure if this would be for everyone, but I am most sure people who have played DayZ would digest this quite well and I reckon they'd share your disappointment. Would love to see more of this.
Romeo
2016-07-05 09:48:19 +0000 UTC"criticism" is what you're looking for :P
Flan
2016-07-04 18:18:43 +0000 UTCA really nice video again although i have to say that you might be a bit too "long". I really like how you compare the "two" games, but i have to be honest in a point that i think it was a bit overloaded with information. I mean sure it is a criticism (thanks Flan)... (Fuckin hell that word as a german) and you have to make a point (if that makes sense) but in my opinion it was a bit too much. Not that i dont like it because as i said before i like how you mix your opinion with your typical humor ("Cliffhanger because fuck you"). But i also want to try to give you a good feedback (even if i might not be that good at it) So there you go :P I hope i can help with that
LoneWolf38
2016-07-04 17:57:15 +0000 UTCAlso, for my original point, yeah, maybe add a 'this is why I used epoch as the example originally see, since well .. it's what we voted for ourselves' to also reinforce the point. Look forward to seeing the rest of the videos. :)
Mike Roibu
2016-07-04 08:42:05 +0000 UTCYour second post is basically what I meant. Your idea of their targeted audience may differ from what you think it is, despite how obvious it might seem, so it's best to state what it is and why you think it is. This is the part where I disagree since I think they're pushing for more non-dayz-mod audience because otherwise they're: turning off other players possibly, limiting their audience since some former players won't be enticed into the SA no matter what.
Mike Roibu
2016-07-04 08:39:51 +0000 UTCThanks! :)
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:38:34 +0000 UTCOf course. Totally agreed, yes. I'd love to see less floating-ugly-monstrosities and more 'barricaded buildings with sandbags'. But my point was more, they didn't even try. And the audience was expecting it. Heck...we paid £20 for it.
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:37:31 +0000 UTCThanks. Can you see any part specifically that felt like fluff? Any part that possibly made your brain switch off when listening? For example, were some of the lists too long? etc
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:35:36 +0000 UTCThanks. I'll tone it down!
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:34:51 +0000 UTCAnd thirdly, going to go back to the 01 Intro video and talk about early access and my views on it. Going into detail about how I think the "keep audience happy" thing is paramount. When that's done, if you could have a look at it and tell me what you think, I'd appreciate it. Thank you for the feedback, it'll help me improve the next iterations :)
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:32:33 +0000 UTCOn the second part, you've made me realize that I've accidentally made the "No true scotsman" fallacy. Asserting that the word "core" somehow makes it the targeted audience. Under subjective criteria specified by me. Without acknowledging that the audience has grown massively and now includes a great deal for the standalone itself. I'm going to go back and revise my script for the next iteration.
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:31:01 +0000 UTCGreat feedback. Thanks for it :) So on the first part, my rational for talking about Epoch was near the end. How the majority of the dayz audience had "voted" for it. Since you can only keep a limited number of servers going with an active pop. So the standalone is only really catering to a tiny portion of the audience. Do you think that part was weak or not well explained?
SovietWomble
2016-07-04 08:29:17 +0000 UTCThat came out too wordy. Basically, I recommend expanding on what their core audience is meant to be, and why you think that's what their core audience is. It may seem obvious to you, but not to everyone, and I can see your point (although I dispute it, personally)
Mike Roibu
2016-07-03 14:54:42 +0000 UTCThis may have gone over my head but we never found out the reason you talked about Epoch specifically (unless it was the part about everyone choosing their preferred flavour). I don't quite agree with all your points, as a game developer, but they are by and large the subjective points that you raised. Regarding 'you must entertain your audience in early access', I think that's a bit misleading. They are doing this. They're not entertaining what you think is their _core_ audience, which I'll agree with. However, I don't agree with the fact that that's their core audience.
Mike Roibu
2016-07-03 14:53:24 +0000 UTCThanks for the video, music is a bit too loud thou
Elbasan Kadrija
2016-07-03 10:38:45 +0000 UTCI lost my respect for Bohemia as they saw the success of the standalone and just said "fuck it. Were rich! Let's go buy some gold plated dildos to screw are buyers with." GG Bohemia well played, at least you taught me a lesson about hype.
A Damm Dolphin
2016-07-03 03:58:45 +0000 UTCActually, I believe a better example of 'early access' would have to have been Kerbal Space Program before patch 1.0
RzR332Guyver
2016-07-02 21:11:11 +0000 UTCYour voice sounds so soft when you're not cussing at Cyanide.. I enjoyed the music choices, I loved the overview you sketched of the activities in DayZ Epoch, it painted a very clear picture of how mide and immersive DayZ could be. I do think you could shave off 5-10% off the time to make your point. Most off the time I think you're on point with keeping your audience with you and not going too fast or too slow but there's a little bit of fluff that could be cut.
Govert Versluis
2016-07-02 20:46:15 +0000 UTCI hope dayz never has base building like what you showed in the video. Ive been playing arma3 mods with it and player built structures all look SOOOOOO out of place and break immersion instantly. Oh a house, a barn... a huge 4 story high wood block tower that has the same texture over and over... Hmm.
Tom Trustworthy
2016-07-02 14:09:11 +0000 UTCI have a whole folder called 'Butt'. This was the most safe for work.
SovietWomble
2016-07-02 12:35:34 +0000 UTCWell, though a little off topic, I'd say that there are many very successful early access examples to look at. The most prominent of which would be Space Engineers. I'm going to make a comparison in a later chapter, where I point out that Space Engineers didn't put in the Infinite Mode first, but instead focuses on their core player mechanics. A lesson I think could be learnt by the standalone developers, who put in their huge world with nothing to build in it (even in just an extremely crude form).
SovietWomble
2016-07-02 12:35:14 +0000 UTCDid you just put "Butt" into google image search and grab the first image that fit? xD
Uper Cake
2016-07-02 12:31:57 +0000 UTCEarly Acess = Kickstarter where you actually get to play the product as it develops. Basically why a shitty Early Access cant be as successful as a deceitful KS.
Uper Cake
2016-07-02 12:19:25 +0000 UTCI have never played Day Z, but I must say I loved the vid. The editing was great, nice high quality, and a great storyline. Even thoug I don't know the game (besides from your videos) I understood your points and was with you all the way. Good job womble! Looking forward to part 4
Peter Torrild
2016-07-02 10:54:10 +0000 UTCWhat is this, a video series for a video game PHD? Also actual high quality content from womble. Interesting editing that isn't too flashy but keeps your attention, a well thought out script that speaks to my inner dayz player. Really liking the series as well as the humor.
Ben Cook
2016-07-02 10:31:31 +0000 UTCRegarding whether i like the format, i think it's brilliant. I usually have your streams on in the background while doing other stuff, sort of like a podcast, so having a format where you can take your time and discuss a topic without (and i'm not trying to neg here) feeling you have to be funny or entertaining is great in my opinion. I feel you often to be very insightful when playing "long" games, and when you don't have the stress of 1200 twitch-monkeys throwing shit at you for missing something, i think this comes to the fore even more clearly. Plus, i find your voice and accent soothing, so there's that as well.
Ludwig Ekner
2016-07-02 09:23:31 +0000 UTCIt would take soo little to make the standalone good, one wall, one door, a lock and two traders. One for vehicles so you can make a buck salvaging cars and one for weapons. ^ is the feeling I'm left with after watching; I can't give you better feedback then that.
Per Markus Edvardsen
2016-07-02 09:08:46 +0000 UTCDid you get the idea for wanting to do trailers when doing the segment about how a run in epoch might look? Because i've never really wanted to get into the mod before (for several reasons) but you make a fantastic job of illustrating the potential the game has. It's sort of like eve onlines "This is EVE" video, if you've seen it?
Ludwig Ekner
2016-07-02 08:49:45 +0000 UTCAaaand done. The point about the creator getting a say? Brilliantly done. If one word could ever make a whole argument point, that was definitely it!
Maestro
2016-07-02 08:28:21 +0000 UTCThat went right by me, then. You may have watched more Pierce Brosnan movies than me.
Maestro
2016-07-02 08:17:30 +0000 UTCDouble reference. Thomas Crown film had Brosnan in it. Too early a reference for the audience? <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5OJmNmmhV4&feature=youtu.be&t=30" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5OJmNmmhV4&feature=youtu.be&t=30</a>
SovietWomble
2016-07-02 08:15:35 +0000 UTCThomas Crown? What? Wasn't that from tomorrow never dies?
Maestro
2016-07-02 08:12:43 +0000 UTCYea, it have been improved.
Kristoffer Kylebjörk
2016-07-02 08:12:20 +0000 UTCcliffhanger because fuck me :(
Fabian Mulfinger
2016-07-02 08:11:47 +0000 UTCdo you think the talking speed has been improved? I tried to dial it back a notch in places after the feedback from last time.
SovietWomble
2016-07-02 08:10:01 +0000 UTCThis is great! Would love to see more videos like this, you keep the topic moving and you talk in a good speed.
Kristoffer Kylebjörk
2016-07-02 08:07:08 +0000 UTC
