Attack on Titan 4x20 Reaction, "Future Memories"
Added 2022-04-24 14:00:05 +0000 UTCEnjoy! Episode 4x21 is coming sometime next week!
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Fullmetal Alchemist is one of my top 3 animes
Mason Burkland
2022-05-19 19:18:19 +0000 UTCHonestly I'd be perfectly happy with either demon slayer or death note
Quinton Klein
2022-05-16 05:19:04 +0000 UTCFullMetal Alchemist
Michael Jensen
2022-05-13 05:23:03 +0000 UTCDemon Slayer, although I really think Code Geass is a better pick
King Will
2022-05-08 18:22:21 +0000 UTCno demon slayer! XD
Chaos Gaming
2022-05-08 06:15:09 +0000 UTCDEMON SLAYER!!!
Chaos Gaming
2022-05-08 06:14:00 +0000 UTCDeath Note
Alexander Kar
2022-05-06 12:42:55 +0000 UTCIn short, Only Grisha can see them because Grisha can see the future (by way of attack titan) and when looking into the future he saw eren and Zeke staring back and talking to/at him looking at the memories, Eren and Zeke aren't really physically there just viewing the memories in a 3d space And for eren's knowledge of the future, he does not know everything only some glimpses of it, Grisha only got future memories that were sent back to him so same would work for eren, he wont know the whole future only part that he was given access to
Cas_nc12
2022-05-03 04:47:06 +0000 UTCKenny just be shooting down everything Montana says, even when she’s completely correct. Sheesh. 🤦🏾♂️
Norrin Radd
2022-05-01 07:24:26 +0000 UTCRe-watching this episode after what you find out is so mind blowing, AOT is just so amazing
Cyrus
2022-04-28 10:05:50 +0000 UTC"This is gonna change EVERYTHING" Nah, what are you guys talking about?... Nothing's changed and nothing will change. It's always been like this... It's always been Eren 👀
Taima
2022-04-28 07:12:26 +0000 UTCMy vote goes to Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood
Ben Sarchett
2022-04-28 07:11:47 +0000 UTCBtw I love you’re guys reaction, I started watching you guys on YouTube during the Korra saga but I went back and watch your ATLA reactions and I subbed to here to watch your AOT reactions. You guys are extremely nice, hardworking and great people and the reactions are amazing and I can’t wait for more!!!!!
Jimmy Thompson
2022-04-27 17:05:08 +0000 UTCI wanted to included this link because it shows a manga strip and it shows how deep this show was actually planned out and this episode was perfect timing to show it
Jimmy Thompson
2022-04-27 17:02:54 +0000 UTChttps://www.instagram.com/reel/Cc0rNNVKww8/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Jimmy Thompson
2022-04-27 17:02:12 +0000 UTCFull Metal Alchemist
Andrea Perez
2022-04-27 03:53:48 +0000 UTCDeath note for sure
Garbage_ Flowers
2022-04-26 22:44:33 +0000 UTCDemon slayer
Fernando Chicas
2022-04-26 17:53:28 +0000 UTCFun fact: Death Note and AOT apparently share a fair few of the same staff and creative heads! My vote was always for Death Note but this def enticed me into rewatching it with that in mind- so good!
exhausted
2022-04-26 17:53:20 +0000 UTCThe fact Grisha said his son had to be stopped really says something.
Reece
2022-04-26 11:51:06 +0000 UTClol Kennys did too when he watched it again in the reaction!
Belle M
2022-04-26 05:24:10 +0000 UTCThank you!!!
Daniel De Izaguirre
2022-04-26 01:32:37 +0000 UTCKenny and Montana have already said why they aren’t reacting to the sub. They wouldn’t be able to understand it, they have auditory processing issues.
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:48:51 +0000 UTCwell said
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:44:10 +0000 UTCNah Eren is the protagonist
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:41:28 +0000 UTCGo to wcostream.com. English dub finishes up next Monday, May the 2nd. (Click the 3 lines, go to dubbed anime, then search “attack”, and it’s the first option. Make sure you click HD in the bottom right!)
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:39:17 +0000 UTC@tyler Zeke is using the power of the founder in this moment, Eren does not have control of the Founder because he does not possess royal blood. Eren is merely using his Attack Titan ability via Zeke’s use of the Founder. Zeke is putting him in the moment where he is then able to use his ability to give the memory and cause the sequence of events.
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:35:40 +0000 UTCYes, but to Eren, the rumbling is the only way to get peace for his friends and family. Obviously genocide is awful, but you have to see it from Eren’s POV, to him, he has no choice, he’s seen the future. And he also is terrified that if he doesn’t do something, his friends and family and the person he loves will be killed.
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-26 00:31:24 +0000 UTCSorry for rambling. But I feel his choices now are either staying on the pathway set before him. Or perhaps he's going to forge his own path. Just my theory lol I love you guys and watching your reactions.!
katherine
2022-04-26 00:13:02 +0000 UTCI feel that erin is very complex and there are several layers to him like Kenny was saying about the onion. However I want to dive a little deeper there is the Erin before he was turned into the attack titan and founder titan. He had a clear sense of right and wrong and justice. Strong curiosity for the world he feels was promised to him. These feeling stay with him and become stronger until he touches historia in the cave. He starts to see his role in this bigger picture the pathways that have always been laid out. Which I think is why he has that existential crisis and doesn't want to follow the path anymore seemingly.
katherine
2022-04-26 00:11:05 +0000 UTCI still haven't figured out what this means. Can you elaborate on it? Feel free to message me if there's spoilers
Ryne C. Snyder
2022-04-25 23:02:01 +0000 UTCi need more.
Justin Rosario
2022-04-25 21:36:43 +0000 UTCI think she's referring to what Marley and the Eldians there thought of rumbling, that they would crush the entire world. Willy Tybur said it in his speech too.
Iwen Pulgar
2022-04-25 21:27:33 +0000 UTCDemon slayer please
Aidan Johnson
2022-04-25 21:24:13 +0000 UTCI was rewatching AOT with a friend who hadn't seen it. In S3, when it's revealed that he is chained up, Eren wakes up from a flashback of Frida brushing her hair. My jaw dropped.
christian
2022-04-25 19:24:22 +0000 UTCDemon slayer!! (also watch Yuri on Ice! and Given)
christian
2022-04-25 19:20:23 +0000 UTCdemon slayer
Aziza Salfeeq
2022-04-25 12:32:34 +0000 UTCWith the oxymoron, Montana was still correct, even if her reasoning was off. Oxy- means sharp, and moron means dull.
Maks Lesniewski
2022-04-25 10:53:39 +0000 UTCI like all 3, but hope it’s not demon slayer. Story is far too simple to analyze. Unless you’re going to argue power scales, and they’re not that kind of channel
Nick A Sam III
2022-04-25 09:34:20 +0000 UTCDefinitely fullmetal alchemist brotherhood, amazing watch, i would love to see your take on it.
CoronerPerry
2022-04-25 05:27:10 +0000 UTCSo you may have already gotten everything figured out by now, but here's what's happening. First of all, it's not really time travel. All Titan Shifters are able to see memories of past inheritors, but the combination of Zeke's royal blood and Eren's Founding Titan made the experience more tangible. They were able to control which memories they saw, and they were able to see the memories in their entirety. Now on to the main event, thanks to the Attack Titan's true ability, Grisha is able to experience Eren's memories of what he is going through. So for example, the first time Grisha sees Zeke, he is able to do that because he is seeing Eren's memory of standing behind Grisha, looking at Zeke. You see for just a second Grisha glances back in Eren's direction, because he is acknowledging that whoever's memories he is seeing is right behind him. It's also worth noting that, through all of this, Grisha never actually sees Eren. Any time they are looking at each other, Grisha is actually seeing HIMSELF through Eren's eyes. So in the caverns, Grisha was shown a memory of Eren telling him to kill them all. Eren didn't actually CHANGE anything, he just experienced firsthand the memory that made Grisha kill the royal family.
HamboneKablooey
2022-04-25 05:07:15 +0000 UTCThink Zeke can only go back in time but he can’t influence the past. I think that’s the ability of the attack titian base on Zeke’s reaction to Grisha calling his name. Let me know if I’m correct.
Terence
2022-04-25 04:17:41 +0000 UTCDeath💀Note
Ablaze
2022-04-25 04:10:12 +0000 UTCdamn, I never thought about it like that...
Rob Not
2022-04-25 04:00:41 +0000 UTC"This is signifigant, it's gotta be, right?" understatement of the century
Darby
2022-04-25 03:49:34 +0000 UTCfullmetal alchemist brotherhood!! :)
minimonie__
2022-04-25 03:48:37 +0000 UTCpls demon slayer its so good
Dylan
2022-04-25 03:42:27 +0000 UTCIt's easier to think as Zeke and Eren aren't actually there in a physical, tangible way, but rather more of a metaphysical way. They can't really be seen or interacted with, except it seems, by the former attack titan inheritors. And even then, I've never seen it as they could actually grab somebody's hand and make them stab somebody, but they could suggest it. So no, they didn't change anything, but Eren did heavily influence the events of the main story. Also, next episode is a banger. I rewatch it sometimes, just because.
imcalledgpk
2022-04-25 02:28:24 +0000 UTCGet out of the multi verse! I love the idea of time being set in stone. Erin always went back in time, to effect his father. It didnt change the past. It was always meant to be. I love the change in Erin we see since as far as I believe is that he always wanted to be free, and now he is faced with the fact that fate is predetermined and he will never be free.
Curtis Mitchell
2022-04-25 02:16:10 +0000 UTCWhere it really kicks off this part of the season :-)
Curtis Mitchell
2022-04-25 01:46:57 +0000 UTCDemon slayer!!
Ashley Garcia
2022-04-25 00:23:40 +0000 UTChttps://twitter.com/cactuzzshash/status/1487870221545357314?s=20&t=Y5vGyxebI81mjqmH0vIP4A Ok this episode was super confusing for me as well. Here is a very well written thread on twitter that explains everything (that happened in the ep) in case of any confusion/questions. It is kinda long but well worth the read if you have any doubts but you wanna fully understand what's going on. 10/10 recommend
nailuj namrof
2022-04-24 23:48:51 +0000 UTCEren is the child Grisha wanted in Marley. Zeke is the child he wanted in Paradis.
Nathaniel Hardy
2022-04-24 21:47:34 +0000 UTCheres the thing, no matter what Eren does the future cannot be changed. He has no choice but to do the things that he saw when he kissed Historias hand. Good example of that was when Sasha died and he laughed/cried realizing that nothing could of been done to change the outcome. Grisha was also able to see Zeke because he was seeing him through Erens eyes, if someone from the outside were to look at him it would just look like hes talking to himself and hugging the air.
LeviUnleashed
2022-04-24 21:16:57 +0000 UTCNobody in the series has ever suggested wiping out the rest of the world with the rumbling, all that was talked about was taking out their fleets in a display of power so they couldn't/would be too afraid to attack Paradis
Hannah N
2022-04-24 21:06:59 +0000 UTCI think the King who renounced the war did so on the understanding that eventually Marley/the world would come knocking to destroy Paradis. When their retribution comes the King was going to roll over and let it happen, out of intense guilt for the past, and that they deserved to get punished. So fleeing to Paradis was a sort of selfish and short-term measure of peace. Uri says something similar to Kenny in S3: "In the waning future of humanity, let me have this peace," or something like that. The threat to of the rumbling was meant to be a deterrent, but the King suspected it would not last forever. However, Paradis' retribution did not come the way the King expected, thanks to Eren and the unique ability of the Attack Titan.
Coco
2022-04-24 20:57:33 +0000 UTC"When you learned you had a brother you thought he'd be the same as you, but you were wrong. When someone tries to steal my freedom from me I'll take theirs first without a second thought."
Eric Gjertsen
2022-04-24 20:56:55 +0000 UTCIf you ever get the chance, I HIGHLY recommend watching the Japanese dub for the end of this episode. Grisha's Japanese voice actor (Hiroshi Tsuchida) gives a KILLER performance for that end sequence where he's lost his mind. I'm not saying the English voice actor didn't do a good job, but the Japanese actor REALLY gives his all and deserves major respect for such an intence performance.
Taizen
2022-04-24 20:27:54 +0000 UTCI have no problem with dub but you guys should react to the sub version of Grisha’s break down. The voice acting is just immaculate
Raja
2022-04-24 20:20:52 +0000 UTCNow as for how a younger version of Eren was capable of seeing Grisha kill the Reiss family, will be explained now. I’m specifically talking about s3 ep6, when Eren was kidnapped and imprisoned by Rod Reiss, as Rod intended for Historia to take the founding power back from Eren. Grisha exclaims “let’s show him, his fathers sin *rod and Historia touch Eren’s back*” (I don’t remember the exact words don’t kill me lol) and Eren suddenly see’s specific flashes of Grisha murdering the Reiss family in cold blood. Now it gets tricky. This was made possible by Future Eren sending those memories to Grisha who sent them to kid Eren (essentially a loophole that Eren found). Now let me simplify this a bit, picture Armin who has inherited the colossal Titan and states that he has seen Bertholdt’s memories. Additionally, imagine Mr. Ksaver who inherited the Beast Titan to look through centuries of clues to learning about the titans. This is no different, as Eren remembers memories of Grisha’s… they just weren’t unlocked.. however that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. For example, there’s things Eren questions about his Titan abilities such as how he knows that biting his hand transforms him… he’s never seen a transformation done beforehand (at least consciously 😉, but through Grisha’s memories… he’s seen multiple occurrences such as Kruger, Grisha and Frieda (who actually bit her hand to transform and was Grisha’s direct opponent) but all 3 drew blood. Now I’m going to move on to the next point which will help round this out a bit better… involving the Attack Titan’s abilities. Which the Attack Titan can send memories to past users.. that doesn’t mean it’s a requirement. In fact, future Eren (as in the one version of Eren we are watching in season 4 part 2, only picks and chooses the memories he deems necessary to convince Grisha that murdering the Reiss family is the only option). Grisha asks questions like “why won’t you show me if Carla is alright? If my kids are ok? Is this really the best choice for Eldia’s restoration?” because he can’t see the full picture because Eren has only let him see what he wants Grisha to see. And because memories of past users get passed on the current Titan shifter users (Armin/Bertholdt idea), kid Eren is unconsciously aware of said memories that Grisha saw until some memories were partially unlocked. Eren kissing Historia’s hand is a whole other mess that involves loads of spoilers so I won’t talk about that for now… but that is also an instance that involves the ability of the Attack Titan.
karstenj10
2022-04-24 19:51:03 +0000 UTCIt's not a criticism, it's an observation. No need to project whatever here. All these examples are framed as atypical in the story, and eventually lead to the ruin of those characters or those around them. Isayama doesn't really make a positive case for nuanced solutions or restorative justice. It doesn't make it sympathetic to supremacism or martyrdom, that's not the issue; beyond the supernatural elements it makes this world far more foreign and polarized than the real world. The very extreme character and group dynamics is what make everything else weird.
LeFlaneur
2022-04-24 19:50:02 +0000 UTCThis criticism has been refuted a multitude of times. It fundamentally misses the point by assuming the story is sympathetic to supremacism and/or genocide. All it does is demonstrates the mechanism that cause these things to happen, and clearly our real world history has shown that is ultimately the path of humankind. Time and time again the story shows the solution, that being personal connection, but in order to achieve that more nuanced path people have to be willing to sacrifice their prejudices. This has been a reoccurring theme since season 1. Its what had Reiner questioning his decision, it’s what had Kenny put his hate aside for Uri, it’s what kept Levi moving forward, it’s what Mr Braus argues for, it’s what convinced Gabi of her wrongs, and many more examples that have already been adapted or will be adapted later. The show argues for this as being the actual solution, but it realistically demonstrates how hate and violence are an equal part of human existence, hence why we have to try to make it out of the forest. This is the conflict of AoT, yet criticisms like you mentioned abandon any nuanced thought in favor of eisegetical analyses. It’s fallacious and dishonest.
bruhmingo
2022-04-24 19:20:42 +0000 UTCOh! One thing I've never understood: Frieda wishes to let the people within the walls die, to protect the greater world from the threat of the titans. She wants to let the titans die there rather than be passed on and continue the violence. BUT - we know if a titan-shifter dies without passing on their ability, a random subject of Ymir will inherit it. And the people within the walls on Paradis are clearly not the only Eldians - the king would know there are other subjects of Ymir left behind on the mainland. So... how would rolling over and dying help?
Kettlebright
2022-04-24 19:17:16 +0000 UTCI think an important detail here is that the purple eyed Founding Titan within Frieda has no knowledge of the Attack Titan's supposed 'Future Sight' - I think this is a clue that the Attack Titan cannot see future memories normally - but this becomes (sort of) possible when Eren is connected to the Founder's full power with Zeke. Eren cannot look forward in time, but can travel along the paths to both witness and influence the memories of all the Attack Titans who came before him. In doing this to Grisha, he wound up giving himself memories through Grisha's memories - the ones that open up to him when he kissed Historia's hand. I think an amazing theory is that Eren influenced more than just Grisha, but all the Attack Titans throughout the past. The reason the Attack Titan is always known to buck against oppressors, obsessed with freedom, is because of Eren's singular obsession with freedom. (And we know Eren influenced more than just Grisha - Eren Kruger was 'possessed' with the memory of Saving Armin and Mikasa, unsure of whose memories it was, but it still pushed Grisha forward on the path he needed to be on.
Kettlebright
2022-04-24 19:06:33 +0000 UTC@Tyler He’s using the attack Titan, not the FT. That’s literally the AT’s power, sending memories to past inheritors.
bruhmingo
2022-04-24 19:04:54 +0000 UTCThank you so much. You explained this perfectly. Everything is from Eren’s perspective and future memories and Eren’s memories of seeing his father and Zeke being in Eren’s line of sight. I’m not sure if this one idea is true or not, but here it is: everything happens as it normally should Krueger sees Grisha’s future memories and knows he has to be the one to inherit the Attack Titan from him and that’s why he mentioned Mikasa and Armin because they are important to his son and potentially why he adopted Mikasa instead of leaving her in the care of an orphanage. Then everything continues normally with Grisha knowing Eren will inherit the Attack Titan and so on. But Zeke taking Eren into Grisha’s memory is what technically pushes everything forward to happen in Eren’s favor and ultimately results in: Eren kissing Historia’s hand and seeing himself influence Grisha and not fully trusting Zeke > Zeke picking up on that feeling and taking him into Grisha’s memory > causing one big loop that leads to Eren influencing Grisha. The cycle repeats with that moment causing the beginning of the show.
Marcb92
2022-04-24 19:02:08 +0000 UTCZeke didn’t really hug grisha, from what I’ve seen that was extra sauce for the anime, but it’s more like grisha hugged where he knew Zeke would be standing in the future. but from my understanding theres no actual contact.
Jason Arty
2022-04-24 19:01:15 +0000 UTCOkayyy post-watch thoughts: wow, great reaction as always. I think I should immediately jump into explaining what exactly you just saw. And first u gotta understand 2 very important concepts (and I’ll keep this spoiler free, don’t worry)… 1) Aot has a fixed timeline. What I mean by this is that time travel to the past or future and changing an event to change the course of time is not a possibility. This is kind of difficult to wrap your head around but I think this example explains it best: Imagine you go to a store and you’re thinking about whether you buy a mug or a plate. You think about it for a few seconds and decide on the mug, as you’ll use the mug more often. Now under the given circumstances of the Attack on Titan world… that event or “choice” if you rather, was always going to end with you buying the mug. Even if you saw the future and you knew about the decision and you did everything possible to avoid it, you would have bought the mug because everything is set in stone, nothing can disrupt the outcome that time has decided……. And 2) Understanding the powers of the Attack Titan is crucial to understanding why what you saw was even possible. Generally, the Attack Titan is one of, if not the strongest titans of “the 9”. Specializing in speed, regeneration and strength. Eren was even able to adapt hardening into his skill set thanks the bottle of iron he drank while saving everybody during the Uprising Arc (storyline that focused on Historia, Kenny, Reiss history if you’re confused). But it’s most unique ability is the ability to send past Attack Titan users … memories of the future. I know what I said is confusing so just stay with me here. Imagine Montana is the current Attack Titan user, and Kenny was the previous user. Montana has the ability to send a memory of her own life to Kenny while HE was still the Attack Titan. There are multiple times this took place in Attack Titan but here are two that would probably make the most sense: 1) When Eren Kruger and Grisha Jaeger were talking on the wall (during Grisha’s flashback episodes near the end of season 3). Eren Kruger says somethign very similar to, “Grisha, you must complete your mission and protect Mikasa and Armin”. Grisha turns back and asks “Mikasa? Armin? Who are they?” And Kruger says “I- I don’t know, they aren’t from my memories” (implying that Eren JAEGER sent Eren KRUGER a memory that resulted in this interaction to occur). Now the second is from this episode, with Eren and Zeke traveling through different memories of Grisha as Zeke attempted to prove that Eren was brainwashed. And things get a little tricky here so stay with me. The Royal Family has been capable of altering the memories of any subject of Ymir (made clear with the brainwashing that the king induced on the people causing them to forget the truth of the outside world); however, it came at a catch that the user must follow the first kings will no matter what (made clear with Frieda and Uri). But Eren is obviously not of royal blood so he’s not bound by the first kings will, granting him the ability to really anything. After having his head shot off by Gabi, Zeke catches it which takes them into paths. In paths, time is incomparable to how it is on Earth (Zeke grew a beard, had long finger nails, etc., saying it felt like years while it was just an instant for Eren). By having access to paths, they were both capable of going through Grisha’s memories without consequence; however, they can NOT change anything that Grisha has or will do (set timeline)……. And this is where a lot of people get confused because they believe Eren’s influence changed the actions that we previously saw… no… we only saw PORTIONS of THIS SCENE playing out prior. Eren manipulating Grisha always occurred but they never directly talked to each other, Eren and Zeke never officially traveled to the past as you may think. They were like ghosts, unable to be seen but can see everything. If you’ve made it this far, wow, thanks😂, I hope you’re still following cuz it’s about to all come together. When Eren was saying “stand father, remember why you’re here, for Kruger, your sister, etc.”, Grisha never heard a word of that… he was actually seeing the MEMORIES that EREN sent to GRISHA in that VERY MOMENT (trippyyyy stuff hahahah). Now you might ask… so how was Grisha seeing Zeke or himself at times? If you look back closely through the clips, you’ll notice there’s always one thing in common… Eren. The only times Grisha can see Zeke is through Eren’s POV. Or rather, Grisha is looking at Zeke through Eren’s eyes. So that scene in the basement where Zeke was asleep and woke up and was like “that can’t be Zeke, he’s old and bearded”… he was actually seeing himself and Zeke in the same room (because it’s a memory of Eren’s… that was passed down to Grisha in that very moment). Another scene is where Grisha is about to leave the house and says “Eren, if you behave I’ll show you what’s in the cellar” *while showing the key*. When you put both scenes side by side, in ep1 it shows kid Eren looking up at his dad with hope, excited to learn about the cellar and then a shot of Grisha holding the key. In this episode, it showed a large shot with all the characters, including Grisha as Grisha looks terrified looking directly across from where he’s standing … at Eren. In that moment, Eren is sending that memory down to Grisha so Grisha is actually seeing himself in the doorway with the key in his hand (AND that’s exactly what happened in episode 1, we just didn’t see that perspective). I really, really hope this helped any of y’all that might’ve been confused, and I’ll explain something else about Eren/Grisha in another reply below this but I hope y’all enjoyed and maybe partially got what I said (I know I was all over the place lol)
karstenj10
2022-04-24 18:56:40 +0000 UTCWe shall see, potentially could be the first May post, as I’ve already done 1 more episode this month than planned. Will keep y’all posted!
Letts React
2022-04-24 18:32:23 +0000 UTCI think its just difficult to take in new information while reading and not hearing the same thing. But now that they know what he's saying they can just take in the emotion of Grisha, which is top tier.
Jawrool
2022-04-24 18:29:08 +0000 UTCI was so shook by Grisha's performance in Sub.
Jawrool
2022-04-24 18:28:05 +0000 UTCPre-watch thoughts of the reaction: this is the big one, this is the episode I’ve been waiting to see y’all react to even before the ep actually dropped😂. I can’t wait to see your heads spin as you try to piece together the total mind f*ck of an episode this is. I’ll explain stuff you may be confused about in the reply after I finish the reaction. Anyways, here we gooooo
karstenj10
2022-04-24 18:18:41 +0000 UTCOne thing I'd like to point out is that Eren cannot see the future. Eren in the future though, can send memories of his back to previous Attack Titan holders. When he kisses historia's hand he receives Grisha's memories, which include memories Grisha received from future Eren. That's the work around to directly seeing into the future. Also, Kenny said Eren's like "if I do 'X' 'Y' & 'Z' this will happen." That's not exactly right. AOT is a 'Deterministic' world. Meaning the future is decided 100% by actions of the past. If Eren seeing Grisha's memories when kissing Historia's hand included Future Eren's memories, then Eren knows this will happen for certain no matter what he does. The future cannot be changed. It doesn't matter what Eren does, he could simply do nothing, and it would all unfold the same because that's EXACTLY the actions necessary to make the future he saw come to fruition. This is really revealed when Sasha dies. Eren asked Connie did she have any last words and Connie said " 'meat.' " Eren starts to laugh/cry because it's exactly the same word Eren knew Connie would say if in fact the future was a certainty. Probably doesn't help much because time elements are always confusing in shows but hope this helped.
Jawrool
2022-04-24 18:02:28 +0000 UTCBy next week you mean after this upcoming Friday?
Frost115
2022-04-24 17:43:29 +0000 UTCInteresting theory, but he'd already put his hair up in the man bun when he lied to Mikasa and Armin though, arguably the two biggest lies he's told all season.
Polygon
2022-04-24 17:36:54 +0000 UTCPerfect explanation
Anthony Barrios
2022-04-24 17:32:23 +0000 UTCIf you guys have the time this is one of those episodes that would be worth a rewatch in the original sub, even if you have to do it much slower, the English voice actors didn’t do a bad job but the original voice acting in this episode was some of the best in the show, even just rewatching the last few minutes in the sub is fine, grishas va did such a good job with this one, whenever you have the time try to rewatch it. I promise it’s worth it
Dfd
2022-04-24 17:29:38 +0000 UTCFunimation is what I use, I think it’s like 5 bucks a month.
Ci-Ci
2022-04-24 17:20:11 +0000 UTCI giggled when kenny said "A lil flashback?" in the beginning of the reaction.
Sami S.Y
2022-04-24 17:16:45 +0000 UTCSo in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here. AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan. The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past? Well, he had 3 perfect conditions: 1) He had the ability of the Attack Titan 2) The ability of the Founding Titan 3) He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke. After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror. Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time. So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually receiving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time. Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Dfd
2022-04-24 16:57:14 +0000 UTCThis is in no way a spoiler but purely speculation. I think Eren's control of events go far beyond just his dad's actions. I remember Eren Kreuger mentioning that he "severed thousands of finger of subjects of Ymir without reallly knowing why." I think Eren was manipulating/forcing/telling/influencing Kreuger to turns those subjects of Ymir into Titans because, we can see in S3 E21 the titan that eats Eren, Dina and other familiar faces. All those titans roles played major roles in the story and probably wouldn't be there without Kreuger's actions. Also, the memories of Mikasa and Armin kinda be sus too because I think Eren's drive towards protecting his loved ones was so strong that it influenced Kreuger into doing what he did to "save Mikasa and Armin". I would also like to believe Eren's influence reached previous Attack Titan holders as well. Could be totally wrong tho. :)
Benjyman
2022-04-24 16:44:55 +0000 UTCHow did Zeke hug Grisha later though?
Letts React
2022-04-24 16:42:13 +0000 UTCWow wow wow. What a reaction y’all!
Izrail Gevorgyan
2022-04-24 16:41:45 +0000 UTCSo oxymoron is an oxymoron
Agustin Munoz
2022-04-24 16:37:28 +0000 UTCOne thing that’s off about Isayama writing is that he make very little space for alternatives to martyrdom or supremacism, and even when he does it’s clunky and very late in the story. It’s not simply that the world he build makes it harder for a more nuanced path, it’s like their an afterthought, like he intentionally avoids presenting anything else than those dead ends.
LeFlaneur
2022-04-24 16:35:03 +0000 UTCThis is not a spoiler just clarification. Sorry if its unwanted either way. Grisha is seeing Zeke through Erens eyes/memories. Look at where Eren is positioned every time Zeke is seen by Grisha. When Grisha is hearing Eren convincing him to kill everyone, he is basically seeing a memory of someone talking to himself. Eren and Zeke can't interact with the past, just show Grisha memories of the future but because they were using the coordinate to go to the past it makes it feel like they are interacting with the past.
Isaac Levine
2022-04-24 16:30:17 +0000 UTCYou’ve finally gotten to the point where Eren becomes a full-blown antagonistic force… and yeah it’s pretty mind blowing 😂 still can’t get over this episode
Chelly
2022-04-24 16:22:44 +0000 UTCAgreed. I think the dub for this show is fantastic but that scene is just incredible in the sub. I watched all that's been released in dub but caught up around here and had to continue in sub. Grisha's breakdown at the end of this episode absolutely destroyed me
Mark Romero
2022-04-24 16:21:16 +0000 UTCI’ve heard the coordinate-space referred to as the “Pause Dimension,” which I kinda like.
Marti Evans
2022-04-24 16:08:21 +0000 UTCI don't know if I am missing something, but to me the future Eren saw is not happening against Erens will. It is happening because Eren wants it to happen this way. If Eren had made a different choice somewhere along the way he would have just seen a different future when kissing Historias hand. Where exactly does it come from, that people think Eren is trying to prevent the future he saw? I think he WANTS this future to happen, which creates this future in the first place. He didn't ACT angry at Frieda here, he genuinely was RAGING at what she said. If he didn't want Grisha to take the Founder but was forced to do so because of the future he saw he wouldn't have been raging this way at what she said. Him manipulating Grisha into killing them all WAS what he wanted, not what he was forced to do. His free choices created the future he saw, not the other way around.
DTLA
2022-04-24 16:05:51 +0000 UTCCan anyone direct me to a website or streaming service to watch AOT with English dub
Daniel De Izaguirre
2022-04-24 16:03:06 +0000 UTCNON-SPOILER EXPLANATION The power of the attack Titan is to see memories of its future inheritors, or more accurately, the current user can send memories to past inheritors. Eren is sending his current memories to Grisha, meaning Grisha is getting “memories of the future”. Because Grisha is getting Eren’s future memories, he is seeing them from Eren’s POV. This means whenever Grisha is “seeing” Zeke or Eren, he is seeing the future memory of Eren’s POV. That’s how Eren was able to interact with Grisha, or how Grisha was able to see Zeke, it was Eren sending his current memory of looking at his dad’s memories back to Grisha.
bruhmingo
2022-04-24 16:01:19 +0000 UTCCorrect. Though he’s using the power of the FT.
Tyler
2022-04-24 16:00:48 +0000 UTCSo the way I interpret it is that when Grisha "sees" Zeke that's Eren purposefully sending his memory of that moment to Grisha in the past using the attack titans power to see future user's memories.
Tom Hampton
2022-04-24 15:59:59 +0000 UTCIM SO EXCITED FOR YOUR REACTION TO NEXT EPISODE
Ari
2022-04-24 15:55:31 +0000 UTCI know you said you didn’t buy it from Zeke but he actually really does care for Eren. He wants to “save” him and open his eyes. He’s speaking the truth and really is trying to be a good big brother.
Mitchell Hall
2022-04-24 15:47:35 +0000 UTCIn summary, if Eren already knows what will happen, he just needs “To keep moving forward” until it all happens.
Lucas Barros
2022-04-24 15:36:23 +0000 UTCExactly. Eren is a slave to himself and his own dogged drive for freedom. I'm sure it eats away him, knowing that so much of the pain and suffering is because of his own inability to break free from himself.
D
2022-04-24 15:30:50 +0000 UTCKilling everyone except for the Eldians has literally never been on the table. They've wanted to do a "test" rumbling as a sort of show of power to other nations so they dont mess with Paradis. Similar to how countries nowadays create and test warheads. Grisha wanted to reestablish Eldia and make them safe but not at the cost of everyone else's lives. Genocide in any capacity is literally the worst thing possible from Grisha's point of view.
D
2022-04-24 15:27:06 +0000 UTCIf you find the time I'd really like you to watch this episode in sub. Can be a patreon exclusive or something, but the voice acting in sub is some of the best I've heard in decades if not ever. Edit: I know it's hard for you because of your condition, it's just if there is a way to make it bearable or something.
DTLA
2022-04-24 15:20:10 +0000 UTCFullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
The Brooklynite
2022-04-24 15:18:12 +0000 UTCThe time stuff is easier to understand if you compare it to Madame Razz
Jeffrey D
2022-04-24 15:18:08 +0000 UTCtheyre almost there.
Burgandy the Red
2022-04-24 15:14:54 +0000 UTCAlso, obligatory comment to add this episode to the list they should rewatch in the original Japanese dub just to hear Hiroshi Tsuchida's mind melting performance. That man deserves an award. He owns absolutely every episode he's in. That Day, Sole Salvation, and now Memories of the Future. Absolutely heartbreaking performances.
Polygon
2022-04-24 15:13:07 +0000 UTCOne little detail I saw someone bring up was how Carla said that Eren's ears get red when he lies, so it's speculated that's why he grew his hair out, to cover his ears so he could lie better. Super small detail but wow, I just love the attention to detail in this show, no matter how small!
Mikala Woods
2022-04-24 15:11:23 +0000 UTCAnother important thing to take away from this episode is that Eren actually hasn't decided anything that's happened since S3 P2 on his own. Everything that's happened since then and what's going to happen in the future has ALREADY been decided. It can't be changed. Attack on Titan's "time/memory travel" operates in a closed loop. Everything that's going to happen in the rest of the series has ALREADY happened. The Attack Titan can see memories of its future holders and Grisha already saw this outcome way back, around the time the walls fell. Eren himself only saw this outcome when he kissed Historia's hand in the S3 finale. That's why he's changed so drastically and become so deadpan. He knows what's coming is inevitable because the "future him" whose memories Grisha saw BEFORE he'd even received the Attack Titan had already set things in motion. He's just filling in the blanks leading up to that outcome. Ironically, Eren is as much a slave as everyone else in the show no matter how vehemently he denies it.
Polygon
2022-04-24 15:08:57 +0000 UTCTechnically Eren isn't free, since he's being controlled by his future self/fate/destiny.
Adam Brown
2022-04-24 14:57:49 +0000 UTCEren being a living contradiction is a big part of what makes his character so great
Deebus
2022-04-24 14:56:27 +0000 UTCI never even considered that future sight was something only the Attack Titan could do until this episode.
Adam Brown
2022-04-24 14:53:51 +0000 UTCI’m literally not breathing until you post the next one 🥹
Mike burns
2022-04-24 14:53:03 +0000 UTCPeak episode 21 when?
MaybeNextTime
2022-04-24 14:48:49 +0000 UTCI would argue as well that Eren is the least free among everyone, being held captive by what the future holds and forced to reach that point against his will, just like his father before him.
Dylan The Bear
2022-04-24 14:48:49 +0000 UTCI don’t think Grisha wanted the rumbling, he wanted Eldia restored as the world’s greatest nation. To Grisha, I think, Eldia being a force for good in the world is the answer, so the complete destruction of all other humans would be devastating to him.
Calbe Wetzel
2022-04-24 14:40:02 +0000 UTCI can’t wait for next episode
Yahzzie
2022-04-24 14:36:20 +0000 UTCThere are many times throughout this episode, where it looks like Grisha is able to see future Eren and Zeke. However he only sees Zeke twice, and never sees Eren, though Grisha is able to hear and feel his presence. Remember what Grisha says when talking to Frieda: The power of the AT offers us brief glimpses into the lives of those yet to inherit it, meaning it allows us to witness events in the future. Since Eren became the AT after his father, Grisha is seeing Eren’s future memories throughout the episode. Eren is deliberately sending certain memories to Grisha, using the FT When Grisha sees Zeke, it’s from Eren’s perspective, or it’s like looking through his eyes. Both times (in the basement and outside the Reiss chapel), Eren is behind Grisha, while Zeke is in front of them. Therefore, Grisha also sees himself, when viewing his son’s memories. A third person view. When Grisha is holding out the key, and he’s talking to 10 year old Eren, while also looking at 19 year old Eren, he doesn’t actually see future Eren. The reason he looks surprised, is because he’s looking at himself. Grisha’s receiving Eren’s memory of that moment. Grisha also receives Eren’s memory, of the point in time where Eren manipulates him, into continuing the mission to take the FT. And so once again, Grisha sees himself, but he can also hear Eren. The hug between Grisha and Zeke looks real, but Grisha is actually hugging air. Keep in mind that Eren and Zeke did not travel back through time. Not physically at least. They were going through memories, using the power of the FT. Anyway I wish I could say more, but I don’t want to spoil the series. We’ll learn more about the Attack Titan and Founding Titan’s abilities.
Tyler
2022-04-24 14:29:56 +0000 UTCThey are going through memories, not going back through time. All memories can be access by the founder
Jorge Carlos
2022-04-24 14:29:38 +0000 UTCIt's this episode!!!
Krista Han
2022-04-24 14:08:20 +0000 UTCAka Montana is right :)
Rory Fitz
2022-04-24 14:06:15 +0000 UTCSo oxymoron is “sharp dull” or “wise foolish”
Rory Fitz
2022-04-24 14:05:57 +0000 UTCAnd moron comes from moros meaning dull or foolish
Rory Fitz
2022-04-24 14:05:23 +0000 UTCOxy actually does mean sharp or wise!!
Rory Fitz
2022-04-24 14:04:33 +0000 UTCTHIS EPISODE
Samuel Horwitz
2022-04-24 14:00:59 +0000 UTCHere it is! Big reveals this episode!!!
Neutral Nick
2022-04-24 14:00:51 +0000 UTC
