Full Metal alchemist: Brotherhood 1x9 Reaction, "Created Feelings"
Added 2022-07-07 19:16:02 +0000 UTCEnjoy! Next episode will be coming next week, hope you all are excited!
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imcalledgpk
2022-07-13 05:38:09 +0000 UTCKenny talking about Al not being in the suit of armor reminded me of the feeling everyone gets watching Doctor Who whenever the Doctor regenerates
Cam Fuse
2022-07-13 01:00:23 +0000 UTCYeah I definitely think that line about Ed being "serviced" was a bit much. I can't blame Montana for having the reaction that she did. I do hope y'all don't dislike hughes for it though, he's actually a sweet character. That line is a one-off.
JuanderfulJuans
2022-07-12 02:13:34 +0000 UTCI think it's important to note that the series was written by a woman, if you weren't already aware of that. I always wondered how the author was able to capture the experience of brotherhood so accurately and why she chose to write a story about brothers. I wonder if she has ever addressed that question.
Brennan Regnier
2022-07-11 09:38:55 +0000 UTCAbsolutely agree 100%
Gareth
2022-07-10 20:22:45 +0000 UTCI have to wonder if the time period in which the manga was written informs it’s “feminist” cred. Like what was feminist in 2005 may not read as impressively feminist in 2022.
Arnold Kim
2022-07-10 19:27:58 +0000 UTCI wouldn't say that it didn't age well this overprotective father trope is still pretty common to this day in anime, if anything I'd say that scene is one of the better ones even compared to modern examples in anime. But yeah its suppose to be a joke to cut the tension and it just didn't happen to land with them. I've seen a lot of people react to this show most of which aren't even that old and most people found it funny and understood what it was trying to do.
TrueWarriorJak
2022-07-10 17:15:03 +0000 UTCI didn't think about it much till recent because AOT was his first anime I think, but knowing he's watched a handful with a weeb friend he's probably picking up a lot so Montana is the fresh reaction, even for un spoiled shows he knows tropes and such enough to guess what will happen now. Unfortunate but bound to happen. Hopefully after FMA they do Death Note before it's completely ruined through osmosis. I can't imagine it feeling super fresh and original if Kenny watches similar shows for the next 6 months sadly. Still good but ye, hopefully that's next cause Demon Slayer is NEW and not copied but Death Note influenced so much he's gonna get the gist through those other shows...like AOT lol.
Peter Film
2022-07-09 18:35:26 +0000 UTCInteresting, I was thinking similarly if Kenny is now watching all these shows from MHA to Fire Force and delving into anime alot of these are gonna be spoiled just unavoidable. I was worried when Death Note wasn't chosen there's no way in 30 weeks they aren't spoiled if not already. FMA makes sense too with Chris talking about it. Maybe he just knows some light stuff, though at least one of the numerous comments/predictions he has made was crazy so maybe he has seen it before or something.
Peter Film
2022-07-09 18:32:35 +0000 UTCI understand where Montana is coming from but ya the same time I think it’s just a lighthearted scene that didn’t age well. I think they’re just trying to make a joke about him loving his daughter and being protective. I think it’s just used to break the tension on a more serious conversation. I just don’t think it was communicated to well, but I still find it funny because it’s classic anime still. Idk it just didn’t age well that’s all.
Gareth
2022-07-09 05:36:34 +0000 UTCYeah, like I said, honestly it bothers me more how few people are willing to criticize actual issues in the show than the fact that those issues are there. Like, people are allowed to love a piece of media that has problems like this, even much worse problems, and I don't want anyone who is enjoying a piece of media to stop doing so just because it does have issues, unless those issues themselves make it hard for a specific person to enjoy the rest of the story themselves, which is sad but sometimes it happens. I also don't think anyone who enjoys a flawed story (so... almost any story imaginable, in some way or another) is like obligated to follow up "Oh yeah, I love that show!" with "except for [issues]" and then basically write an essay about that to prove they noticed there were issues, which is another thing I see happening a lot lately, though not necessarily around this specific show. Also I definitely didn't mean to imply you personally were one of the people who is kind of putting it on a weird pedestal about some of its pretty objectively real problems - I'm not sure whether or not it sounded that way but if it did I apologize and it wasn't my intent at all. It's just that I've seen a ton of that in fandom and it really wore me out. What really gets me isn't "this is kind of sexist", or even "people like this despite it being kind of sexist", especially when there are manga/anime/etc that I like as much or even more than this that handle the same topics notably worse. It's people who seem to think that one of the story's legitimate flaws are actually one of its strengths. I feel like that sort of thing comes from this weirdly all-or-nothing view on media that I see a lot these days, where if something has problems about some or another social or political issue, people feel obligated to stop liking it... so they either throw the whole thing out when they probably enjoyed the good parts much more than they disliked the parts that bothered them, OR they have to convince themselves that the issues don't exist at all. But like, no, it's fine, you're allowed to love imperfect things. I love more than a few stories that are worse in a lot of ways, even, not just one specific problem, I just... don't actually see flaws as a reason someone MUST dislike or disown something. Also you made a really good point originally that I didn't address but should've, which is that a lot of this is probably a product of the era. FMA:B has an aesthetic that is honestly ahead of its time stylistically, but it's based off a manga that started running in 2001, a time period where a lot of people were on the cusp of having various realizations about gender stereotypes and similar things but just weren't quite there yet. So it actually is important to look at this through the lens of "the author started publishing the manga 21 years ago and sometimes that definitely shows." You're not the only person to make that observation in here either, but I don't want to spam a comment section too much when I'm kind of long-winded, so to others who also brought that up, I appreciate y'all too. And yeah, my mom and I are both women, and she's definitely sexist, both in ways that are unfair to men and unfair to herself, it just always feels bad when someone who you can't help but think should have known better didn't, even though that is not a rare thing, and it's also something worth sympathizing with, because people in that kind of position end up hurting themselves as much as they might hurt anyone else, and sometimes even more. My own actual mom's sexism definitely caused more problems for her than it did for me. Sometimes that's not the case, sometimes it is. I think I just want people to realize they're allowed to enjoy and even love media that has legitimate issues. And I know lots of people do understand that, but there are so many people in the last few years who don't realize that or who reject it openly, and that's... not good for other people, for art in any medium, OR for themselves.
K. Unknown
2022-07-08 13:00:22 +0000 UTC"There goes the cr... the guy from prison!" Kenny desperately trying to pretend he doesn't know everything about this series already and is just good at "predictions." It's ok to know everything about the show already, just talk a lot less in order to maintain the blindness of the reaction.
Norrin Radd
2022-07-08 05:30:11 +0000 UTCThanks for both of your comments and unique perspectives ☺️
Tom Johnson
2022-07-08 03:07:12 +0000 UTCTotally get your point but I am a woman and felt emotionally connected the the brothers and other characters. But I do think it took me longer to cry at this show. Now watching back having seen the whole thing I get emotional but I think it might take longer for Montana. The characters and story are still pretty new. There have been times where Montana cries but Kenny doesn’t so I just think it depends. But I also have a little brother pretty close in age so I don’t know if that informs my perspective on the show as well. Interesting comment and thoughts, thanks for sharing!
Ci-Ci
2022-07-08 03:04:33 +0000 UTC@K.unknown You are right there are other instances but I just couldn't think of them at the moment. I think this was one of the more obvious moments for me but you are right. I like to think women do better on these things but even we can have internalized sexist ideals. Especially considering the time the story is written and by a person who was born in in the early seventies. Not excusing but allowing room for context. I probably wouldn't have thought twice watching this when I was younger but I definitely see how dated these moments that pop up are. I wouldn't call this impressively feminist, or pitch it as that to anyone I recommend to. I would say it does a pretty good job on the scale and characters like Hawkeye and Winery are well done female characters. And in comparison to a lot of anime its pretty decent on female rep and not nearly a sexualized as some I have seen. I absolutely love the show but have no problem talking about things that I think should have been done differently. I appreciate your comment!
Ci-Ci
2022-07-08 02:50:05 +0000 UTCYeah I love being told I have no sense of humor for criticizing the scene 😂 like I still love the show I just don’t like a few of these throw away scenes used for laughs. Dated and not funny sorry ✌🏻 I recognize the time they come from therefor I give the show slack and appreciate all the other amazing parts of the story. But like we’re allowed to talk about how times have changed. I’m a fan who can criticize parts of a show I love.
Ci-Ci
2022-07-08 02:38:39 +0000 UTCi totally get where montana is coming from even though the show was made in the 2000s and written by a woman i also felt weird/uncomfortable when watching the show. and to people who think that its supposed to be "funny" plz properly educate your self cause sterotypes can be really harmful.
hayden
2022-07-08 01:18:51 +0000 UTCI'd say it's more indicative of the author's sexism, a recurring problem in the manga and Brotherhood which always bothers me a lot both because 1) I do not understand why the author, who is a woman, pulled this kind of shit so often, and 2) there's plenty to enjoy and/or love about this show but it's constantly propped up as an impressively feminist work when it really, really isn't one, with this moment being one of the earlier glaring signs that something is really off about the author's take on gender. I've literally seen posts online completely earnestly framing the fact that the story passes the Bechdel test as if that's a monumental achievement rather than the bare minimum. Like as a female shonen lover I am painfully aware that many manga and anime in the genre are WAY worse about this stuff, but it's exhausting seeing a story and author be sort of weirdly exalted for managing to pass a little bit above a bar which, especially in shonen, is generally about six feet underground. Does that ruin the story? No, obviously not, and I genuinely love several other shonen that are definitely much, MUCH worse in that regard, but it's disappointing from the author and even more disappointing when the fanbase not only overlooks it, but seems convinced that the weirdly sexist writing is somehow. feminist. It's not even just that a lot of female characters could have been a lot more than they were, either, when the series contains a lot of attitudes about men that are really toxic and weird, which is obviously also a significant issue. It is also absolutely not just "one of the only things like that that we see in the show", it's just very in your face when a lot of the other stuff is easier to miss or gloss over.
K. Unknown
2022-07-08 00:42:31 +0000 UTCDefinitely interesting. And you're totally right, this is also a shonen show and the ideas of masculine behavior is very informed for the time it was written (late 90's in the manga, I believe and early 2000s as FMA and then 2010s as FMAB).
fr0st
2022-07-08 00:19:00 +0000 UTCThe future looks bleak
Juan
2022-07-08 00:15:23 +0000 UTCWatching y’all react the this episode has given me some thoughts about the series that I want to share, despite me usually being relatively passive here on Patreon. A few people have mentioned the lack of emotional response from Montana in this series compared to others they’ve watch (which is totally fine Montana, you don’t owe anyone a certain reaction). This got me thinking about what might be different about FMAB, which maybe got me thinking a bit too meta 😅 A lot of this shows emotional plot hooks centre around the idea of brotherhood, and being a story written in the 2000s, these themes are fairly masculine. As an older brother myself I relate a lot to it and it is one of my favourite stories. What interests me the most about this is that this story was written by a woman who is artistically capturing the connection of two brothers, which makes me wonder what her thought process was, what inspired her, and how she might view her work now 20ish years later. I don’t know if this adds anything to discussion, but I just wanted to put my thoughts out there and see what discussion it draws out. I’m not usually very good at getting my thoughts into words, so I hope this makes sense ☺️
Tom Johnson
2022-07-08 00:13:39 +0000 UTCThe plot has been moving so quickly with so much new information to hold onto every episode, so it would make sense to me why maybe she hasn’t built up a strong connection with the characters yet. Whereas Kenny has the built-in connection of brother dynamics.
calcifer
2022-07-08 00:00:57 +0000 UTC@fr0st thank you for the thoughtful and respectful response! I agree it would be better if framed that way 100%. I have less of an issue with that, and more so the gun scene cause his daughter is like a baby and it's so dated to show the way a man loves his daughter is to point guns at boys and act like her body isn't her own. But again it's just a dated segment, and of its time so I just brush it off as that. The rest of the show is so amazing, that is really just a small nit-pick!
Ci-Ci
2022-07-07 23:47:03 +0000 UTCDoing these three in a row really paid off. You can see this little story arc building up and being resolved all in one go.
fr0st
2022-07-07 23:36:04 +0000 UTCYeah, it's definitely dated and intended to be a moment of realisation for Winry and possibly more accurate to say that's how boys deal with it in that the Elrics are basically kids with some big feelings and they don't really have the emotional maturity to be able to understand or express their feelings, they just don't want to burden others with their problems.
fr0st
2022-07-07 23:35:35 +0000 UTCI'm honestly surprised Montana hasn't even gotten teary eyed yet. This show is way more emotional than a lot the other shows that made her cry.
Adam Brown
2022-07-07 23:33:33 +0000 UTCYes! It's a dated joke, and it shows. Overall most of the show is timeless with its themes, characters, and story but occasionally theres something like the gun scene. I still love Hughes's character.
Ci-Ci
2022-07-07 23:11:38 +0000 UTCPlus the creator is a woman and Japanese, so there's a cultural aspect to it.
Adam Brown
2022-07-07 23:05:03 +0000 UTCUm okay, yes I knew it was written by a woman. Thanks for trying to school me? I still thought the scene with the gun was stupid. Apparently Montana had the same reaction as i did. Both of us women. I still love the show and it's overall humor. That was just one scene in the whole show that to me felt out place and weird...falling flat. But as I said it is very much a joke of the time period. I don't think it takes away from the show, and FMAB is still one of my favorite shows and a masterpiece. No need to be snarky.
Ci-Ci
2022-07-07 23:03:45 +0000 UTCIt’s worth noting that like, many of the tropes are a little outdated! Though the anime was made in 2009, it was a remake and the manga began a little over 20 years ago, when tropes like over protective father were comedic and light hearted. It’s def just a slightly outdated way of showing Hughes absolutely adores his daughter, and if the manga was written more recently it probably wouldn’t have been portrayed that way (I feel like it’s important noting this since the FMA story is technically the oldest story y’all have watched so far, despite FMAB having a 2009 release
Velocity Paige
2022-07-07 23:01:20 +0000 UTCMe-yay they dropped 3 episodes in a day. I’ll only do one a day so I don’t run through them to fast. Also me two hours later-……..well shit I gotta wait now.
Cody Simpson
2022-07-07 22:50:08 +0000 UTCLol this was written by a woman if that makes you feel any better. It was supposed to be a comedy relief moment but I guess you have no sense of humor.
Nicholas
2022-07-07 22:36:51 +0000 UTCLol that scene with the gun and Hugh’s and his daughter is definitely one of those few moments I also did not like in the show hahah. But to me that’s just indicative of the time when this show was airing. Really one of the only things like that that we see in the show so I just over look it because the rest of the show and it’s emotional and social themes are done so well! But I had the same reaction as Montana 😂😂
Ci-Ci
2022-07-07 21:41:54 +0000 UTCThis is peak FMA, every few episodes they deliver the gut punch. The buildups and payoffs really are the best.
imcalledgpk
2022-07-07 21:01:24 +0000 UTCSo much content, so fast!
Marcelo
2022-07-07 19:24:31 +0000 UTC
