After Dark: Watching Your Own Work, Jesse Eisenberg's Career, Online Radicalization, Holiday Traditions
Added 2024-12-27 17:00:08 +0000 UTCThe Filmcast: After Dark is the bonus show where we talk about a variety of random topics that didn't make it into the main podcast - including your questions and what's going on in our lives.
In this episode, David, Devindra, and Devindra discuss what it's like to watch your own work, Jesse Eisenberg's career since Batman v. Superman, and what to do about online radicalization.
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David has shown over many years that he has no problem not liking very popular movies (I was there when Dark Knight came out) and loving middling shit. There's no reason to suddenly do this kind of stuff for something like TROS.
Mountain of Conflict
2025-01-15 15:22:43 +0000 UTCHere’s my challenge: “radicalize” yourselves and go vegan! That’s not really a joke, since I am vegan :) …and now Devindra is promoting turducken? Really? TURDyuckin’?! Ask if those birds like being captive beings who are killed, all the while damaging the planet, etc.
J Hay
2025-01-04 04:25:01 +0000 UTCI think the ability to not being radicalised is in ensuring you are always open to, comfortable with and human enough to admit you might be wrong.
Simon Columb
2025-01-03 12:43:30 +0000 UTCI would hope that would be another separate Patreon exclusive podcast. I'd listen, but I still want after darks to have reviews of movie/tv that didn't make the main show and answering messages from this Patreon.
Papool Chaudhari
2024-12-31 06:00:45 +0000 UTCJust literally go to the website slackfilmcast.com and there is a form there to fill out to get invited to the slack.
Papool Chaudhari
2024-12-31 05:58:34 +0000 UTCI wouldn’t be surprised if the After Dark morphed into one of the most incisive standalone podcasts out there. Can’t think of three guys I’d rather listen to debate—evenhandedly and respectfully—the issues of the day.
David Grimm
2024-12-30 22:36:14 +0000 UTCRe: the radicalization conversation, I see where Dave's coming from, but I think I ultimately side with Jeff. I and my siblings were raised in the Mormon church. I have since left the chruch, and with that departure came perspective on a number of topics--I now see the chruch's doctrine as racist (particularly towards Native Americans), misogynisitic, homophobic, and provably untrue from a historical perspective. I also have a great deal of compassion towards those who continue to hold such beliefs, in part because I used to be one of them. Most of the church's members were born into it, like me, and it can be difficult for most of them to break free. To Dave's point, there can be an enormous social cost to leaving a group like that, even when the beliefs of that group are so clearly harmful and dangerous. My parents are some of the smartest people I know, but they continue to be members of the church--despite the Book of Mormon saying that (for example) horses existed in North/South America hundreds of years prior to the Spanish introducing them. So I agree with Dave on this point too: People's susceptibility to extreme ideas is often not indicative of intelligence or lack thereof. However, those extreme beliefs are a disease, and a communicable disease. I am lucky to have maintained my relationship with my family after leaving the church, but I've had to be more careful with them since having a kid. I want my daughter to have a good relationship with my parents, but I also want to ensure that she doesn't contract the disease I was lucky to escape from. In my opinion, preventing new people from becoming infected should be a greater societal priority than pitying--or worse, mollifying--those who are already infected. Shaming and ostracisizing those who hold dangerous beliefs may make it more difficult for those people to reform, but it's not FOR them. It's to prevent others from choosing to follow that same path.
Luke Watkins
2024-12-30 21:34:29 +0000 UTCIt was really nice to hear such a fraught topic handled with maturity. That being said, getting so hung up on stupidity and radicalization seems wrongheaded to me. I wish our society was more genuinely radical, and so often stupid is a label applied crudely to well-informed positions that other people simply refuse to take seriously.
Mark Harper
2024-12-30 21:20:44 +0000 UTCWould really like all the details on your Yankee swap, especially the games of skill that you had to do!
Seth Offenberger
2024-12-30 19:07:01 +0000 UTCWhere is this jacket in the overhead compartment debate coming from, I can’t remember that topic being in a previous episode 😳
ak
2024-12-30 06:22:04 +0000 UTCSo deeply on Jeff’s side on this - I get what Dave was saying but I think Jeff generally has an in-built empathy for most people — and sometimes we do need to draw the social acceptance line at basic ideas
Kashif Pasta
2024-12-30 04:41:30 +0000 UTCIntense episode.
@hanchicago
2024-12-30 01:32:18 +0000 UTCNah it absolutely was, but more so unconscious embarrassment to have gone against the popular opinion on the film that ‘peer pressure’ I’d say
Mark P
2024-12-29 21:18:50 +0000 UTCI think Dave is brave to have an open mind regarding other points of view beyond the mainstream beliefs.
Dianae Weeks
2024-12-29 01:57:21 +0000 UTCI think ignorant might be a better way to describe flat earthers than stupid since something is blocking them from seeing the knowledge leading to seeing the truth.
Dianae Weeks
2024-12-29 01:53:27 +0000 UTCInspiring episode(as many pointed out, the civility of the "debate" just gives that needed dose of hope to a day), thank you.
Anton Joll
2024-12-28 23:09:08 +0000 UTCThis isn’t necessarily a case of being peer pressured into changing their opinion, as it might just be recency bias fading. I’ve seen movies that in the moment I’ve enjoyed, only for that goodwill to fade over time as I think about it more, or be made aware of salient criticism that I didn’t consider.
Cameron S
2024-12-28 14:02:08 +0000 UTCEchoing what several people have already said: really appreciate your ability to have a constructive dialogue, it sets a great example for depolarization. Devindra came in with a strong point at the end too.
Matilda Söderbacka
2024-12-28 09:41:22 +0000 UTCYou know it’s going to be good when you can hear Dave audibly exhale before speaking.
Danny C
2024-12-28 07:20:37 +0000 UTCI remember when TROS came out and the guys reviewed it immediately after the screening and before critical consensus was widely known and the reaction on the podcast was that the film was mixed/OK. Then after the wider reaction to the film became well known the hosts seemingly allowed themselves to be flipped on the movie. This had happened on a few previous reviews but was really memorable and notable here, because I’d listened to the pod a few days late and was surprised how non-negative the team was given the wider response, then the about face in the following weeks.
Mark P
2024-12-28 03:23:08 +0000 UTCI tend to lean towards Jeff’s pov on the radicalization topic. I agree with Dave that some degree of compassion is appropriate. But as a liberal, I’m also sick of the expectation to engage in good faith with people constitutionally incapable of reciprocating that good faith. I’m reminded of how CNN and MSNBC were still constantly interviewing maga voters and platforming maga spokespeople before the Nov election, as if there was anything left to learn or understand about these people. I see value in drawing a line and calling a spade a spade — some may clutch at pearls but it’s preferable to both-sidesing ourselves into oblivion. Objective reality still exists despite whatever social and psychological factors form these movements, and there’s a thin line between compassion and unintentionally blurring the boundaries of reality out of misguided equanimity. At some point you have to stand firm and say “NO! you’re wrong, you suck and you’re destabilizing society”
DarmineDoggyDoor
2024-12-28 03:13:13 +0000 UTCThere's been an awful lot of media out there over the last decade or so about how people can get radicalized by podcasts, YouTube, social media, etc. I think the best way to avoid that is to be aware of how that happens to people, so you can be on guard for influencers who are at the gateways to radicalization. Unfortunately just about everything nowadays has become politicized by one side or another, and as such, there are certain topics, phrases and code words that people use which can tip off what their beliefs are. It's like being able to recognize that some obscure symbol a person has tattooed on them is associated with white supremacy or something. This is extremely prevalent on YouTube with film criticism channels, where certain people who review films have agendas that will be subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) pushed espousing bigoted points of view. To an unsuspecting viewer, they might think "oh, here's a review of the new Star Wars show" without realizing the person making that video also goes on other channels to have discussions about white supremacy or about how women belong in the kitchen or something. On their film channel, their agenda is presented in a much more palatable way, so as to lure people in, and hopefully slowly introduce them to their more extremist viewpoints over time. The same thing happens with "wellness" videos, podcasts and social media, starting people off with homeopathy and then slowly emersing them in more and more extreme views, until they're fully anti-vax or whatever. I think if you have an awareness of how this happens, it helps innoculate you against this happening to yourself. Similar things can happen on the left as well, like how TikTok, IG and FB have used many misleading videos online to whip people into a frenzy about different conflicts around the world. I feel like one of the most dangerous things Trump and other conspiracy theorists have helped introduce and mainstream to the world in the last 10 years or so is this idea that we can't trust any kind of agreed upon truth, that the idea that facts and truth are malleable, or can be shaped or ignored to fit whatever you want to believe. It's tough to know where we go as a society if nobody can agree on a shared reality.
Stranger2Reality
2024-12-28 02:11:03 +0000 UTCFinally! The David, Devindra, and Devindra episode I’ve been waiting for! (Typo in the description)
Don Wood
2024-12-28 01:21:45 +0000 UTCYes! Counterpart is awesome! It is also a great show for what I call TV Travel, where a show is filmed all over an interesting location you haven’t been. You really get to live in Berlin while it’s on.
Don Wood
2024-12-28 01:19:54 +0000 UTCI feel like to truly believe the earth is flat despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary at this point, there must be something fundamentally off or different about that person. To my friends I'd probably just say "those people are idiots." But I must admit that if I ever met such a person, I would almost surely want to ask them a bunch of questions about how they can so firmly believe something so easily disproven. And I'd do so not out of a desire to humiliate, infuriate or shame them, but out of genuine curiosity, because I want to understand how that happens. I also don't have a big platform like the hosts do though, so I can understand Dave feeling a sense of responsibility to not add to the social costs, as he was saying. For them, being insulting or dismissive to people like that carries far more weight than when I do it, especially since I don't use social media at all.
Stranger2Reality
2024-12-28 00:03:25 +0000 UTCI too wasn't aware of what they were referring to, but I looked it up and here's a Reddit thread about it if you want to read in depth about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1hknpsv/whats_going_on_with_shameik_moore_being_accused/ For anyone who doesn't want to go to that link, this is the best comment from there explaining it: "Shameik Moore is a voice actor who voices Miles Morales in the Spiderverse films. Hailee Steinfeld costars. There are quite a few interviews where he is flirting with her, and she is clearly uncomfortable with this. She is dating the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills at this point. Months later, she gets engaged. He makes a tweet that same day about plenty other fish in the sea etc, and people clown on him for the obvious connection. He then releases a picture with him and another costar that had romantic rap music playing with “stay tuned” captions. People assume that he’s rebounding with, or at least dating her. Turns out that girl is also engaged and made a tiktok video about how that pic was taken a year ago and she had no idea why he posted it and that she texted him to take it down and he didn’t and she called him a fucking weirdo."
Stranger2Reality
2024-12-27 23:53:39 +0000 UTCI think the reason they can disagree so, well, agreeably, is because they have respect for each other. I feel like so many disagreements end up being so caustic because there's an inherent lack of respect for the people who are arguing or debating. Jeff and Dave seem like they have tremendous respect for each other, and as such are genuinely interested to hear what the other has to say, rather than just being disdainful of it and wanting to rip it apart. I agree though, this was a great discussion, and wish they had more that were like this.
Stranger2Reality
2024-12-27 23:47:27 +0000 UTCThank you for this GREAT discussion about radicalization! I love it when you have different viewpoints and can discuss it so calmly. Please more content like this ✌️
Patrick Neon
2024-12-27 23:18:30 +0000 UTCHow do you find the slack channel? I think I have searched every version of TheFilmCast or Slashfilmcast…….,,
John Stensrude
2024-12-27 22:48:35 +0000 UTCRegarding the Bob Dylan thing, I have a friend who would describe himself as being obsessed with Dylan, having seen him live hundreds of times, and he too has no interest in seeing A Complete Unknown. I asked him months ago what his thoughts were about them making that movie and if he was excited to see it, and he said he doubted he'd ever watch it. I'd have thought he'd be curious to see it, if for no other reason than to just see how Dylan is portrayed, but he seemed wholly indifferent about the movie. He wasn't upset it was being made, he just had no interest in seeing it. I thought it was an interesting reaction for such a huge Dylan fan to have. And I asked him this last summer, well before any reviews or interviews about it existed, just after the teaser trailer dropped. The only discourse back then was James Mangold was releasing a Bob Dylan biopic starring Timothée Chalamet and he was like "eh". Maybe he's such a fan that he's on Dylan's wavelength 😂
Stranger2Reality
2024-12-27 22:39:50 +0000 UTCFilmcast thanks for being an exemplar of what a conversation might sound like between two people who approach a topic from different angles, without screaming or losing self control. Masterclass in disagreeing (even if slightly) without being disagreeable. Show me somewhere else in the world this happens this gracefully.
Asher Maitin
2024-12-27 21:07:20 +0000 UTC💯agree!!
CDMatthew
2024-12-27 21:01:47 +0000 UTCIt gives me a shred of hope for our broken, divided world when I hear you guys dig in on a disagreement and discuss it in a thoughtful, mutually respectful manner. Much respect to both David and Jeff for this conversation. (That said, those flat-earth people are indeed idiots.)
CDMatthew
2024-12-27 20:58:27 +0000 UTCThere's an ocean between judging someone for their actions and publicly expressing that judgment. If years of listening to the QAA podcast has taught me anything, it's that people are driven to extremism by a sense of isolation. Calling people idiots not only alienates them, but also emboldens your peers to follow suit. I take issue with Jeff's stance not because it's unkind but because I find it less likely to reduce and prevent harm and division than to increase them. He sounded like working under the assumption that your words can exist in a vacuum and you can be absolved from the politics and consequences of your expressions of opinion while denouncing others'. I find that not only hypocritical but dangerous.
Narushi (he·him)
2024-12-27 20:49:09 +0000 UTCCounterpart is GREAT. Based on a book, right?
Wayne Edwards
2024-12-27 20:00:58 +0000 UTCThis discussion about online radicalisation (did I spell the right?) was GREAT. Right up there with the AI discussion a while ago. It's impressive when the guys can talk, disagree, listen and can come away wiser, whether they end up agreeing or not, is awesome.
Wayne Edwards
2024-12-27 19:59:32 +0000 UTCThe discussion of criticism at the beginning reminded me of something. When Rise of Skywalker came out, David retweeted someone using clips of cast interviews to make the dubious claim that they hated the movie. I pointed out that this was the same toxic behavior people did to make the claim that the cast hated The Last Jedi. And David's only response was to block me. But it's OK, I still enjoy your stuff David.
Nick Clemente
2024-12-27 19:51:36 +0000 UTCGreat discussion about thre Flat Earth Podcaster. I hear what Jeff is saying. I agree with Dave's viewpoint.
Wayne Edwards
2024-12-27 19:28:54 +0000 UTCThis episode was a ride, yall. Email: Do you guys worry about online radicalization at all? (Twenty minutes later) Jeff: FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION!
Chris Cameron
2024-12-27 18:57:40 +0000 UTCSeconded - terrific show, buried somewhat on original release.
Andy Vickery
2024-12-27 18:56:08 +0000 UTCThis is my favorite podcast of all time. No other comes close because you guys are good, honest people who are also smart and have good chemistry. If people hate on this podcast, it’s cause they have a problem.
David Esposito
2024-12-27 17:49:29 +0000 UTCCan someone share how the beyond the spider verse actor was “being a weirdo” on social media? They didn’t really explain it
hexum311add
2024-12-27 17:30:07 +0000 UTCFinal push to get Jeff to see Sing Sing!!! You will regret not seeing it sir, I think you’ll adore it!
Tyler Appleby
2024-12-27 17:23:06 +0000 UTCI feel so bad that I TOO thought Dave loved the Now You See Me movies because he keeps bringing them up 😅
Mountain of Conflict
2024-12-27 17:22:02 +0000 UTCListen, I know you recorded these in advance and I know next week's a big episode, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please discuss the Nolan news. My friends do not care, you are all I've got
Alejandro G
2024-12-27 17:16:45 +0000 UTCHave any of you seen the sci fi show CounterPart? It's one of the best hidden gems out there. It's like Jason Bourne had a baby with Fringe. Staring JK Simmons in two roles.
Cardassian Vexillology
2024-12-27 17:08:54 +0000 UTC
