PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video):
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@Thomas Owen - Wow. I never thought of it that way! So, women would not be comfortable using the expression "Toxic Masculine Energy". Genius!
Joseph Omega
2024-11-27 02:29:21 +0000 UTC@RhodiumMaiden - Maybe he DOES support some form of "Feminism", but whats in a word? Here again are two long ChatGPT conversations featuring a "Feminism" that MOST men can EASILY get behind: The Long Road to Cultural Feminism: https://chatgpt.com/share/6719783d-8b94-800a-af66-6307d8767f69 Cultural Feminism - Definitions Variations: https://chatgpt.com/share/671adb18-6270-800a-9c15-caf14f7a5bcf
Joseph Omega
2024-11-27 02:18:21 +0000 UTC@JO I love that metaphor! It’s so fitting too.
RhodiumMaiden
2024-11-27 01:14:32 +0000 UTC@JO I could not agree more about the importance of traditional wisdom and the myopia of so much modern thinking.
RhodiumMaiden
2024-11-27 01:12:33 +0000 UTCIt’s frustrating that AG still supports feminism, among other progressive agendas. But he’s slowly waking up!
RhodiumMaiden
2024-11-27 01:03:54 +0000 UTC@Mark Bryski - I wouldn't say it is working for me exactly, but I prefer to keep my intellectual options open. Life (and people) are complex systems.
Joseph Omega
2024-08-19 01:34:32 +0000 UTCI hope we find a fair inbetween for us all. Its not good for men to shoulder all the burden. The suicide rate after jobloss says a lot. And to be placated by a purposeful and ultimately manipulative „appreciation „ to keep me a „slave“… doesn’t sound great It is getting clearer the world we built is not human centric. Human beings are not thriving. Why and how to fix it… if you think you honestly have a solution then i look forward to your ted talk But in the meantime. Atleast lets recognise, its not going great.
Peter
2024-08-18 17:26:44 +0000 UTCBecause it sells better to women. It sounds more about vibes (women resonate with emotions) and is less rigid as a concept which means that women don’t feel excluded by the term if they don’t fully resonate with someone’s definition of femininity. If you define masculinity and femininity then I can argue that you may not be behaving in a masculine or feminine way, but if it is about energy then it’s much harder for me to assert that you don’t feel a certain way about yourself.
Thomas Owen
2024-08-17 14:41:17 +0000 UTCFantastic take, Men guard your families from the lunacy we live in. If we can keep our children safe and teach the skills they need to get on with it in life they will be ok. The spastics who proliferate all of this society breaking behavior are not having children. If we succeed in our task as parents then the craziness is going to literally die out simply because it does not produce life. Funny that.
Damien Grant
2024-08-16 19:03:03 +0000 UTC@Joseph Omega. It is good to hear you have found something that is working for you.
Mark Bryski
2024-08-16 16:27:06 +0000 UTCWhy do men refer to masculinity and femininity, but women refer to masculine energy and feminine energy?
Eric Linden
2024-08-16 15:51:10 +0000 UTC@Barrett. It also may help to watch some PsycHacks with Orion Taraban. You need to be the adored, not the adorer. If you can switch that around, your relationship may stand a chance.
Eric Linden
2024-08-15 23:16:00 +0000 UTCI can relate. She wants you to make more money, but then she complains that you work late and work too much and are never home. Then she wants you to be home more, so you cut back your work hours, but then she complains that you have to tighten your budget. The truth is she does want you to be around more and she does want more attention; but when you do those things, it does NOT bring you closer together. If you want to improve your relationship, keep your masculine frame. Don't worry about quantity of time spent together. Keep making improvements to your own life (like you increased your salary). Let her pursue her goals separate from you like her career. She needs to improve herself too. Women pursuing self improvement are happier in their relationships than women who spend their time gossiping with other women. Everyone wants to spend as much time as possible with the one they love, but it can be counterproductive. People who work from home are getting divorced at much higher rates than people who travel to their jobs.
Eric Linden
2024-08-15 20:42:59 +0000 UTCMan I spend time with her all the time. She did get to a point where she was bothered by me spending time working on my boat or jet ski (I make money in my spare time with working on jet skis just for fun), but I was always at home. Would make sure to have dates, spend time together at night, go out on the weekends to do things. She’s felt like I haven’t given her enough attention at times and I know I haven’t and accepted accountability for those times. Other times I feel like she just wanted me to be with her constantly
Barrett Buckalew
2024-08-15 19:57:27 +0000 UTC@Mark Bryski - I admit that this is a logical approach, and I myself, as an engineer, am natrually drawn to it. It's just that I wonder at the unfathomed wisdom developed over countless eons of minute tweakings of Natural Selection that resulted in ALL known human societies across ALL historical records being either overtly Patriarchal (for "Hard Power") or at best Matrilineal, with the traditional courting and pair-bonding processes that facilitate them. I always question the Hubris of believing in human intellectual infallibility in the face of Nature's curious choices.
Joseph Omega
2024-08-15 18:15:27 +0000 UTC@Barrett Buckalewalew - On the surface, this appears to be a very atypical dynamic. Are her complaints perhaps based upon your not spending enough time on/with her?
Joseph Omega
2024-08-15 18:02:28 +0000 UTCMy girlfriend of the last 4 years has always questioned me when I would take another job to make more money and have a better life. I’ve doubled my salary in the last 4 years and she just says “why can’t you just be happy? It’s like you don’t know how to be grateful.” Meanwhile she has gone to school to pursue a career and get away from waiting tables. I have a cushioned 100% remote job and make damn good money. It’s like she is in competition with me or something. However, when she sees how much money I’m making, things like a new house or us moving to a bigger city because I can afford it are the only time it seems she is actually seeing the benefit of me leveling up in my career.
Barrett Buckalew
2024-08-15 17:41:48 +0000 UTCEvolving from past traditions doesn't necessarily mean ignoring them. I am a big believer in "take what you like and leave the rest behind" when refining my values and habits. Especially when evidence based approaches to problems and challenges keep evolving.
Mark Bryski
2024-08-15 15:46:03 +0000 UTCAnd I understand you need the complete vector to make sense of and get along in this world.
Eric Linden
2024-08-15 15:03:48 +0000 UTCI think you are right in general. It’s related to the logic/emotion argument. Just as men are capable of emotion and women are capable of logic, they still tend to lean the opposite direction. There are exceptions everywhere. We all know logical women and emotional men. But rare exceptions don’t disprove the rule.
Eric Linden
2024-08-15 14:54:42 +0000 UTCWhen women are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. I don't think it ever dawned on women that true equality means they have to put up with the same level of shit that men do. Feminism was never about equality; that's why they labeled themselves feminists and not egalitarianists. When people tell you who they are and what they are about, believe them.
Hyperion
2024-08-15 10:09:04 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Indeed, that is the metaphor I'm suggesting, but you have it the wrong way round: Men are the SCALAR component and women the DIRECTION component of the overall VECTOR. The metaphor is admittedly rather rough, as men, in addition to being the PHYSICAL "muscle" are also the MENTAL "muscle" that ACTUALIZE women's "directional" desires. All our technological achievements seem to be a result of men's drive to satisfy women's specific desires for comfort, safety and security.
Joseph Omega
2024-08-15 02:52:06 +0000 UTC@Joseph. Are you saying women are scalar and men are vector? Or are you saying one is magnitude and the other is direction?
Eric Linden
2024-08-15 02:47:51 +0000 UTCYou might well be right, Eric. However, my comment was directed to Grace's pretermission altogether of Vilar's argument. Whether she's right or wrong, her thoughts are worth at least being aware of. Ironically, it seems Grace is trying to turn back the clock and restore the belief in (and practice4 of) the old stereotype as to femininity, with only relatively minor tweaking.
David Ronin
2024-08-15 00:17:32 +0000 UTCEsther Vilar makes some good arguments, but I don't believe AG or many of us here believe women are consciously as devious and controlling as she posits.
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 23:38:20 +0000 UTCTwo things: 1st, sorry to say, you've completely ignored the arguments made by Esther Vilar, as to most relationships being a con game by the woman; 2d, you might want to check out Johnny Paycheck's Country-Western song, "Take This Job and Shove It." The key line is the guy says he was only working in a factory to provide for his woman. She's left him, "and took all the reasons I was working for." So now he's quitting.
David Ronin
2024-08-14 22:41:02 +0000 UTCGood job getting the truth out of ChatGPT! Using logic instead of emotion, ChatGPT comes to the right conclusions: "This wave could work to dismantle the dichotomy between Patriarchy and Matriarchy, suggesting instead that human societies have been shaped by a dynamic interplay of both hard and soft power. This perspective might reduce the emphasis on gendered victimhood and instead focus on the shared responsibilities and contributions of both men and women throughout history." "In summary, a truly balanced discussion about gender power dynamics should give equal weight to the experiences and concerns of both men and women. By doing so, it can avoid the double standard and work towards a more inclusive, fair, and empathetic approach to understanding and addressing the challenges that both genders face."
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 21:57:11 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - I perfectly agree. I postulate and suggest the eventual evolution of waves of "Feminism" BEYOND the existing needlessly adversarial and divisive ones ("third and fourth waves"?) where a more rationally balanced and nuanced "humanism" comes into existence. Here is a good example of how ChatGPT can be eventually reasoned with beyond the stock "wokism" and "virtue signalling" paradigms upon which it was trained: https://chatgpt.com/share/094b808d-10ba-4561-92e2-dcb52dd5a727
Joseph Omega
2024-08-14 20:54:23 +0000 UTC@KZ. The problem isn't women voting. The problem is the slippery slope. Men don't have a problem with women voting. Men don't have a problem with equal rights. Men don't have a problem with equal pay. Men don't have a problem with 1st wave feminism. Many men AND women DO have a problem with 3rd and 4th wave feminism.
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 20:22:20 +0000 UTCThere is definitely a diversity of values in the culture today. But it is increasingly gendered. Can men get along with women? Which is the more tolerant sex? Are most women capable of being tolerant of of those who disagree with them?
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 20:16:17 +0000 UTCI disagree that this starts with women's suffrage. Everyone should have a voice in the people who influence policies that affect their lives, businesses, where their tax dollars are spent, etc. It's super reductive to say that women's ability to vote is a problem. And I don't want to hear the "women vote with their emotions" BS, that's not a woman problem, that's a people problem. I've seen guys get wrapped up in their emotions with who they vote for as well, that's how politicians trick you into voting for them. They know that emotions can trump logic in times of vulnerability. PEOPLE in general, have to wiseen up when it comes to voting and politics.
KZ
2024-08-14 19:51:24 +0000 UTCYour estimate sounds about right. 👍
Joseph Omega
2024-08-14 18:29:05 +0000 UTCThere MAY be such a concept (at least in a WOMAN'S mind) of "Emotional Logic" -- a counterpoint to a MAN'S "Cognitive Logic". They each appear based on different concepts of TRUTH: The latter being the "truth" of "what IS", with the former based on the "truth" of "what SHOULD be". As an engineer, I liken these two ideas somewhat to the MAGNITUDE and DIRECTION components of VECTOR quantities in physics, where BOTH are needed in order for accurate decoding and navigation of reality. How EASILY men so often fall into the role and feel compelled to supply the "brute force magnitude" in an effort to satsify women's "directional whims". Only when each understands, accepts and respects the LIMITATIONS of each component in our dimorphic symbiosis, a balanced and healthy approach to life and living should be achievable. I know you guys may be tired by now of my ChatGPT references, but the following should illustrate the relevent physics concepts much better than I can: https://chatgpt.com/share/c75038a9-458e-4b09-9baa-ed135961ba12
Joseph Omega
2024-08-14 18:27:27 +0000 UTC@Mark Bryski - Your arguments are very well crafted and convincing. I agree with almost all of it. I particularly like the "blocks to reality" argument against traditional value systems, but I wonder if there may be vitally important elements inadvertently lost if the culture strays too far from them. For instance, I disagree that "traditional dating [necessarily] turns men into losers", or that "chivalry [necessarily] assumes the woman’s values and integrity are beyond reproach". I think that, traditionally, there were counter-balancing obligations that women were expected to adhere to that mitigated the rules that are no longer recognized by the cultural arbiters of this game. I refer to the concepts that could be described as "poise and grace/graciousness" that offset the logical imbalance that you correctly identify -- what I suspect Alexander may be referring to under the umbrella heading of "appreciation". The video where the wife gleefully and enthusiastically greets her husband every single day at the door (though probably staged) powerfully and viscerally illustrates a more juvenile version of the idea, which, though obviously alluring, may prove less than practical for older wives and relationships. Still, this "appreciation" can be displayed at ANY age where a man's chivalry (as a "knight") is REWARDED by a woman's "poise and grace/graciousness" (as a "princess") -- both archetypes still strike DEEP at the heart of our cultural romance today in the less "virtue signalling" and "activist" media portrayals. You may be interested in this interaction I once held with ChatGPT on the subject: https://chatgpt.com/share/29ac5a5e-a218-4b07-b398-38467fdb789c As long as obligations for men and for women are balanced in complementary fashion, the game may be played fairly evenly.
Joseph Omega
2024-08-14 17:52:34 +0000 UTCTRULY fascinating -- I did NOT know this: https://chatgpt.com/share/afa26d27-e5be-4967-a447-afa11b3fb1c6
Joseph Omega
2024-08-14 17:26:14 +0000 UTCThere will always be two ends to a stick. When you pick up one end of the stick, you get the other end with it.
Mark Bryski
2024-08-14 14:15:52 +0000 UTCAs the world and the culture changes, each improvement has consequences. When you simplify something, something else becomes more complicated. When you make something more fair, something else becomes less fair. One step forward, two steps back. Old rules clash with new rules. Good people try to play by whatever rules are being used. Bad people use whatever set of rules works to their advantage at the moment.
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 14:10:56 +0000 UTCYes, shrinking cultural consensus has created value diversity. I am not a libertarian. Yet, I appreciate the freedom and opportunity this creates for me to maintain and administer my own set of values for myself and my children. In spite of the cultural chaos it has created, I prefer this over the traditional value systems. I consider traditional value systems to be rife with “blocks to reality”. I much prefer using rational thought to choose my approaches to relationships and parenting. Coincidently, social media steered me onto this path. When it comes to a relationship with a woman, I strongly believe the relationship should have “unity in purpose” and a consensus on the values that support the purpose. In my opinion, it is difficult to achieve this through traditional dating. In the past, cultural consensus gave us a blueprint on the purpose of the relationship and how to maintain it. Traditional dating was an economical way to find a partner to live by this blueprint. This has changed where relationships are now a game of poker when it comes to identifying the purpose of the relationship and the values to support it. Furthermore, there still can be a problem when the cards are shown because culture is changing at a rapid pace. Staying committed to a relationship during rapid cultural change takes a lot of personal integrity. In my opinion, traditional dating turns men into losers in this game of poker. It gets in the way of a man learning about a woman’s values and integrity. One final point, traditional dating relies heavily on chivalry. Chivalry assumes the woman’s values and integrity are beyond reproach.
Mark Bryski
2024-08-14 10:20:00 +0000 UTCIt was a slippery slope. It all started with women’s suffrage. If you look at the true history, very few women pushed it at first because they sensed how it could all go wrong, and they had examples in history. Surprisingly, in the US, the first two states to grant full suffrage were Wyoming and Utah in 1869 and 1870. Full suffrage in all states didn’t happen until 1920. Then the voting age was lowered to 18 in 1971.
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 08:49:44 +0000 UTCThe emotional woman wants equality. The logical woman sees the truth. Are women emotional or logical?
Eric Linden
2024-08-14 08:31:08 +0000 UTCYea, probably 80-90% of the women I've known like to dabble in stuff as a matter of curiosity but don't really like to produce, do the same thing repetitively all day long. Especially when it comes to jobs that involve machines/equipment/etc. For guys that percentage is maybe half that. Not a scientific measurement just an off the cuff estimate.
castirondude
2024-08-14 05:32:42 +0000 UTC
