PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Women leading other women doesn't work
Added 2024-09-17 05:22:01 +0000 UTC
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Very antiwhite, antinatalist show alas.
RhodiumMaiden
2024-10-17 15:10:53 +0000 UTCHer videos explain a lot.
Eric Linden
2024-09-24 00:21:43 +0000 UTC@Hermann - Indeed, it seems more like products of "Feminist Assertiveness" or "sisterhood virtue signalling" than any real desire to genuinely look attractive to the opposite sex.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-21 21:55:49 +0000 UTCYes the link opened on latest attempt, thank you
Starship
2024-09-21 05:14:23 +0000 UTC@Starship - Meaning you were able to open the link? If still not, here was the prompt that I supplied to ChatGPT (along with the transcript I uploaded into it): "Can you give a detailed summary and critical analysis of the transcript of this video posted by Chris Williamson entitled: 'The Vicious Ways Women Compete - Dr Tracy Vaillancourt'?"
Joseph Omega
2024-09-20 22:52:00 +0000 UTCPersonally I don't like Boob Jobs either. Don't get me wrong: The look of such a woman on a dress or Bikini? Of course I like that. But having a wife with such augmentation? No, I can't imagine that this is really that great. To be fair: I never tried, so who knows. I fully agree about the other points. It's always crazy to me when women complain about the beauty standards from men. The vast majority of those expectations are coming from other women. In fact, I find many of those thing repulsive.
Hermann
2024-09-20 17:00:52 +0000 UTC@E C - Well, I certainly don't DISLIKE them. 😉
Joseph Omega
2024-09-20 03:09:47 +0000 UTCThe YouTube algorithm just suggested this video. I was SOOO impressed that I IMMEDIATELY subscirbed to her channel (I will have to investigate her other submissions to confirm her long-term logical and cognitive consistency): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwO8u4sZ-8
Joseph Omega
2024-09-19 22:20:04 +0000 UTCI have found the Chat GPT summary now you gave.
Starship
2024-09-19 05:01:00 +0000 UTCSeems quite a good summary. What prompt did you use to get it?
Starship
2024-09-19 04:52:40 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - It seems you did, as it is the other way round: Male, prescriptive. Female, descriptive.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-19 02:01:25 +0000 UTCI think it’s ironic that here it seems the male writer takes a female approach, and the female writer takes a male approach. Changing yourself to accommodate the opposite sex is the wrong approach. Attempting to understand the opposite sex is the correct approach. I want to understand my woman. I don’t want to become her. But I haven’t read the books, so I may be missing something.
Eric Linden
2024-09-19 00:17:03 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - And, to show how rapidly these technologies are improving, here is the response to the IDENTICAL prompt from the brand new ChatGPT o1 model: https://chatgpt.com/share/66eb3ddd-bda8-800a-90fa-39683b0caef1 Notice that I did not even need to have a followup to have it extend the logic to prompt the obvious conclusion like before ("prescriptive" versus "descriptive"). Pay particular attention to the new feature available under [Thought for 5 seconds] drop-down, which summarizes its logical thinking process. You may like this video explaining the differences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOA_4NWA8j4 Before, in previous models, it was my impression that ChatGPT "listens like a man, but responds like a woman". But now, it seems that it may be coming closer to "listens like a man AND responds like a man": See timestamp 9:15, where he says the new model "spends a few moments to THINK about the answer" BEFORE it responds. Hey, don't shoot the messenger! 🥺
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 20:58:12 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Reposting here under this more specialized thread: Never heard this expression before -- VERY apt analogy. It appears to happen quite commonly among many so-called "marginized" groups, who feel they have to constantly fight among themselves for "their small piece of the pie". It explains how serfdom or servitude or slavery (or even citizenship) largely allows a rich and powerful numerical minority to control a "downtrodden majority", whether the latter's plight is real or imaginery. It seems to work best for more illiterate or uneducated groups (or those who can either be kept so artificially, or made to THINK so), or for those who are more capable of being "socially influenced".
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 20:11:03 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Sad but true. 😓
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 20:08:37 +0000 UTC@Starship - I TOTALLY agree about the modern "woke virtue signalling" orientation of, not just the self-help industry, but also its PROFESSIONAL counterparts in Therapy, Psychology and even Psychiatry. However, my main point was the IRONY of the fact that even the INTENT of the male and female authors themselves reflected the gender differences of "Descriptive" versus "Prescriptive" approaches.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 20:05:52 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Yeah, it's kinda long for me too, so guess what? https://chatgpt.com/share/66eb2f2a-ca50-800a-b84f-ffdcfd5320fa @Starship - As you appear not to be able read my ChatGPT conversations directly, following is the text of its analysis -- can you validate its accuracy? The video "The Vicious Ways Women Compete" by Chris Williamson, featuring Dr. Tracy Vaillancourt, focuses on the nuanced and often covert ways women engage in competition, particularly through indirect aggression. Vaillancourt's research highlights how women use indirect forms of aggression—such as gossip, exclusion, and non-verbal cues like the "once-over"—as methods of competing with other women, particularly those perceived as sexually provocative or threatening. Key Themes and Insights: Resource Scarcity and Sexual Competition: Vaillancourt emphasizes that female competition is driven by a perception of resource scarcity, particularly in romantic contexts. Historically, women have controlled access to sex, and when other women violate norms—by dressing provocatively or being perceived as promiscuous—it threatens their status and resource control. This drives women to "police" each other's sexual behaviors, often through shaming or indirect aggression. Indirect Aggression: Unlike men, who often compete through direct aggression, women typically use more subtle, indirect methods. Vaillancourt describes how women mock, exclude, or subtly criticize others, using these tactics as a form of intersexual competition. She conducted a study where women reacted negatively to a confederate who dressed provocatively, demonstrating that this behavior is not isolated but widespread and based on ingrained social dynamics. The "Sisterhood" Myth: Vaillancourt challenges the idea that women universally support one another in today's cultural climate. While popular narratives promote the idea of strong female solidarity, her research reveals a disconnect between this ideal and reality. She notes that while women may publicly espouse "sisterhood," in practice, they often undermine each other when competition arises, especially over romantic or social resources. Evolutionary Roots of Female Competition: The discussion delves into evolutionary psychology, where Vaillancourt suggests that female competition stems from deep evolutionary pressures to secure mates and resources. Women are particularly attuned to social status and belonging, which historically was crucial for survival and raising offspring. This has led to the development of indirect aggression as a safer and more socially acceptable way for women to compete without risking physical harm. Social Comparison and Jealousy: Vaillancourt explores how jealousy mediates relationships between women. Women who feel threatened by others, especially those who are more attractive or sexually provocative, may engage in indirect aggression to "level the playing field." This competition isn't limited to adults; Vaillancourt notes that even young girls exhibit these behaviors, suggesting that these dynamics are deeply ingrained and start early in life. Cultural and Societal Pressures: The interview also touches on how modern culture and social media exacerbate these competitive behaviors. Social media platforms, where people constantly compare themselves to others, particularly amplify feelings of jealousy and competition. Vaillancourt notes that these pressures contribute to mental health issues, especially among adolescent girls, who are more vulnerable to social comparisons and exclusion. Critical Analysis: Dr. Vaillancourt’s insights provide a compelling look into the often-hidden dynamics of female competition. Her research aligns with broader evolutionary theories that explain gendered behaviors in terms of survival and reproductive success. What sets her work apart is the focus on how indirect aggression serves as a primary mechanism for women to compete without overt confrontation. However, this narrative raises important questions about how societal norms and gender expectations shape these behaviors. While the evolutionary perspective provides a framework, the discussion could benefit from more exploration of how changing gender roles and increased social equality might influence these dynamics. Additionally, while Vaillancourt critiques the myth of the "sisterhood," it would be useful to examine whether these dynamics are changing in light of contemporary feminist movements that emphasize mutual support and dismantling internalized sexism. The focus on indirect aggression also highlights the potential harm these behaviors cause, particularly in mental health. Vaillancourt's point that bullying and exclusion can lead to long-term psychological damage, including depression and anxiety, is particularly important given the rising rates of mental health issues among young girls. In summary, the interview with Dr. Tracy Vaillancourt provides a rich exploration of how women compete in subtle, often hidden ways, driven by evolutionary pressures and modern cultural dynamics. Her insights into indirect aggression offer a valuable perspective on female social behavior, though further exploration of how these patterns are evolving in response to societal changes would enhance the discussion.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 19:54:20 +0000 UTCThe problem of some recent self-help literature of the woke orientation is that it "does" offer solutions, but they are contrived to fit an ideological perspective rather than being useful, implementable advice that will work
Starship
2024-09-18 19:49:12 +0000 UTCOh yes I have recently listened to the audiobook of You just don't understand. I think Deborah Tannen explores these issues well. I think the quality of self-help books has improved since John Gray and Tannen wrote most of their stuff though in terms of practical action. But I think if you add all of Tannen's work together it does say something worth being aware of.
Starship
2024-09-18 19:45:22 +0000 UTCThere are some useful timestamps for particular sections of the video in the notes box depending on your particular interest
Starship
2024-09-18 19:39:28 +0000 UTC@Starship - Oh. Let me know what error message you get (if any). The two books were "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus" by John Gray, and "You Just Don't Understand: Men and Women in Conversation" by Deborah Tannen.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 19:38:03 +0000 UTCAre you suggesting two particular books here? Can you say what they are Joseph, as I can't open the Chat GPT link
Starship
2024-09-18 19:32:09 +0000 UTCMaybe just see the first 10 minutes to see if you like the interviewee? There are a range of interviewees discussion evolutionary psychology and its impact on gender in the workplace though on that channel. But it is definitely a long form video channel compared to AG.
Starship
2024-09-18 19:27:58 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - What I've also noticed, ironically but not surprisingly, is that one of the BEST and most effective bosses are "figurehead females", like Queens (or better "Princesses"). Men have been known to lay down their lives in support of such entities (which can include less obvious monarchs, like Nations, Battleships or even CONCEPTS, like "Lady Liberty"). I once worked for one, and while the "subordinate" (male) engineers would be the ones making the ACTUAL day-to-day decisions and innovations we, as a group, were very motivated and committed. It is the source of the very well known "soft power" success of "Matriarchs", and can maybe partially explain the remarkable success of Feminism within certain circles ("allies") within "The Patriarchy".
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 18:25:23 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Never heard this expression before -- VERY apt analogy. It appears to happen quite commonly among many so-called "marginized" groups, who feel they have to constantly fight among themselves for "their small piece of the pie". It explains how serfdom or servitude or slavery (or even citizenship) largely allows a rich and powerful numerical minority to control a "downtrodden majority", whether the latter's plight is real or imaginery. It seems to work best for more illiterate or uneducated groups (or those who can either be kept so artificially, or made to THINK so), or for those who are more capable of being "socially influenced".
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 18:10:13 +0000 UTC@Starship - (Ah, a fellow Musketeer, perhaps?!) Of course I just had to ask our oracle what they thought, and here was a summary: "A U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics report indicates that a notable portion of workplace bullying involving women is perpetrated by other women. It shows that about two-thirds of women who are bullied report that their bullies are other women (https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2019/beyond-bls/women-bullied-in-the-workplace.htm). This suggests that there is indeed significant friction between female co-workers in certain environments, although the data doesn't point to a specific percentage of overall workplace complaints."
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 17:49:22 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - This is very typical. During the 90's there were two VERY different books released on the very same topic, but themselves with ENTIRELY DIFFERENT styles of communication and expectations: https://chatgpt.com/share/66eb0e80-2758-800a-aaad-8641864a8194 Essentially, the book written by the MALE "offers actionable advice", while the book written by a FEMALE "emphasizes awareness and understanding".
Joseph Omega
2024-09-18 17:36:33 +0000 UTC@Starship - 90 minutes is kinda long. Is there a particular timestamp?
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 16:53:32 +0000 UTCE.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCLZ_W1BUk 'The vicious ways women compete'
Starship
2024-09-18 15:31:23 +0000 UTCChris Williamson's You tube channel has some great interviews on multiple dimensions of the evolutionary psychology of women's decisions around work
Starship
2024-09-18 15:27:46 +0000 UTCWomen are confused. The culture tells them they need to be a girl boss. They try it. They hate it. Then they hear that in the old days they didn’t have to work. They could live the soft life and be a tradwife. They don’t like it either. They are bored. Their life feels empty. Evolutionary psychology tells us that in the past, yes, they did stay home; but they had 10 kids and they actually were working all day. The work wasn’t easy either. But it made them feel fulfilled. In the past they also had a leader, a man. Not a boss ordering them around like a slave. An equal partner who just happened to be the leader in the family and in the relationship. Can they find something like that again?
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 12:53:49 +0000 UTCI agree, with men adopting DEI and ESG attitudes etc like women managers. However, fundamentally men do tend to use more rationality in their approach to management not least for self preservation (it makes sense e.g. to treat their team members well so a manager doesn't fall foul of employment law). Reading Mumsnet Work section, I notice 75 to 80% of the complaints are women complaining about other women co-workers not about men. So the legacy media would have us think that the main problem in the workplace is men, but that isn't necessarily the case even from women's perspective.
Starship
2024-09-18 09:59:41 +0000 UTCSo true. We need solutions. These days I do find many male bosses morphing into the female boss management style. Maybe that’s because their boss is a woman.
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 09:34:26 +0000 UTCIt’s crab mentality.
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 09:29:55 +0000 UTCI realize what she (KL) lacks. Solutions. I find myself agreeing with what she says, but no why. Why are women like this? AG would tell us. And where do we go from here? What is the answer? Is the solution to change women or belittle them by pointing out to them how delusional they are? Where will that get me? Is her goal to cause us to fight or create conflict? It’s not enough to know HOW we are different. Why? What is the solution?
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 09:28:40 +0000 UTCWho has experienced female crab mentality in the workplace? Crab mentality, also known as crab theory, crabs in a bucket mentality, or the crab-bucket effect, is a mentality of which people will try and prevent others from gaining a favorable position in something, even if it has no effect on those trying to stop them. It is usually summarized with the phrase "If I can't have it, neither can you".
Eric Linden
2024-09-18 09:13:45 +0000 UTCAccountability is a masculine trait. It's foreign to many women. And now it's foreign to much of Gen Z.
Eric Linden
2024-09-17 23:36:18 +0000 UTCThough not exactly related to this video, Keira Lhotan has just released a particularly direct and biting indictment of Female Entitlement that I thought might be of tangential interest at this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD9xK9dz6H4
Joseph Omega
2024-09-17 22:11:22 +0000 UTCHas anyone read any good advice on how to deal with women managers and leaders? It's easy to point out their flaws, but sometimes we have to deal with them for the sake of our jobs. I think Alexander Grace does a great job on manosophere issues relating to the workplace. Most RP creators focus mainly on marriage, divorce etc. But dealing with women in the workplace is a really important issue for men.
Starship
2024-09-17 16:18:15 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - The ONLY clear and deal-breaker rule I have, is that it must not LOOK fake or extreme. Hence all those INTRINSICALLY fake styles, like piercings, tattoos, green/blue/pink/purple hair (beyond highlights), "claws", "masks", "butterfly lashes" etc. are CATEGORICALLY excluded. So too also are the severely overweight (obese) or severely underweight (gaunt), severely tall (giant) or severely short (midget). In essence, the closer a woman's appearance is to a carnival or circus attraction (including, but not limited to, clowns), the LESS attractive she becomes to me. Just as it is a man's job to do ALL in his power to provide TRUE leadership and resources to a woman, it is a woman's job to do ALL in her power to provide TRUE grace and beauty to a man, where the VAST majority of the points go towards GENUINE effort made even over ACTUAL accomplishments -- but each side MUST take pains to ascertain the GENUINE tastes and requirements of the other. Bonus points for a perception of EFFORTLESSNESS. In short, ONLY "enhancements" to NATURALLY occurring female features (boobs, butt, skin, hair, etc.) qualify, and severely subject to the "visual fakeness and extremeness" test, relative to their racial or phenotypic norms of course.
Joseph Omega
2024-09-17 14:12:34 +0000 UTCAl Bundy comes to mind. "Only women understand women, and they hate each other."
Lioninwinter
2024-09-17 11:10:38 +0000 UTCA woman once told me about "divorce clusters" where divorced women encourage other women to get divorced. Women if they make a mistake in their lives and are unhappy from that decision they won't warn other women not to make the same mistake. They will encourage other women to make the same mistake to make them feel better about their own mistake. I have witnessed this with a female ex-work colleague who left for another company, tried to encourage another female colleague to join her. Thankfully she failed to get her to leave. 3 months later this ex-colleague resigned from her new role because from the start she realised it was a mistake and was unhappy. Yet she still tried to encourage the other woman to join the same company. What made it particularly nasty was the lady she was trying to encourage to leave was a single parent and therefore sole breadwinner. The woman doing the encouraging was married so had two incomes.
David Anon
2024-09-17 10:23:30 +0000 UTCBoob jobs. Yes men like that one. Tattoos instead of eyebrows? No! Other tattoos? No. Nose rings? No! Nose jobs? No! The new nose always looks worse! Fake butt? No! Long fake fingernails? No! Botox? No! We like a few laugh lines. Lip filler? No! Original lips look better. There are more. The boob job is the only one we really like. But even that can go bad. Ask a man (not a woman!) which boobs to get.
Eric Linden
2024-09-17 09:58:22 +0000 UTC
