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Muay Thai Bones Podcast #24 - Loss of Art, Gender and Muay Thai, Should Female Fighters Aim to Fight Men? (2hrs, 26 min)

Added 2021-07-20 08:41:36 +0000 UTC

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episode 24 - subjects and timestamps (subtract 20 seconds for the audio version)

1. Jimmy Page, Compression, Historical Loss & The Muay of Rama IX (4:58) on video)

2. Sylvie's Experiences with the Gender Divide In Thailand's Muay Thai: Nong Toom, Phetjee Jaa and Angie (50:26 on video)

3. Should Female Fighters Aim to Fight Men? (1:36:16 on video)

Reading Notes

There aren't a lot of reading notes this episode, but there are a few things we mention. If there is a reference of something you'd like follow up on tell us in comments and we'll edit it in.

1. Jimmy Page, MP3, Compression and History, the Muay of Rama IX

we've watched several Jimmy Page interviews and documentaries, I think this is one where he discusses the compression of his music, but I'm not sure. He's discussed it several times. Watch it here

listen to Kashmir here - referenced as a volume production

Kevin's not sure where he read Dennett's discussion of Bach and the experience of music, but it may have been in this book

It may also be in this lecture (below)

watch this here

This is the best "reading note" we could get from this reference, if we find better we'll update the post.

Walter Benjamin and the Angel of History:

read about it here on Wikipedia with follow up Wikipedia on the essay itself

You can watch this interview here, we mention Padejseuk's reception of the Prince's cup in the podcast:

Sylvie fighting at the very end of the King Rama IX era, with two legends in her corner Karuhat and Dieselnoi. The King's Birthday, after he had died. photo Lord 2K, above

2. Sylvie's Experiences with the Gender Divide In Thailand's Muay Thai: Nong Toom, Phetjee Jaa and Angie

above, my voiced encouragement of trans athletes, mentioned in the podcast - watch it here

Above, Sylvie with Nong Toom and with her trainer Den, who was at Lanna when Nong Toom was there, on the first card she shared with her.

Below, when I first visited Jee Jaa's small ring and gym. They slept under the ring, as a little makeshift house:

watch it here

Below, some footage of Sylvie training at Omeekhun gym (at a new location) with Jee Jaa's family:

watch it here

also here you can see our man in the middle clinch sessions, as the sun was going down.

After I took Phetjee Jaa and her brother Mawin to go see How to Train Your Dragon, here

Below, I filmed the last fight Phetjee Jaa was allowed to fight against a boy:

watch it here

Notes on Toms And Dees

In the conversation for this podcast, Kevin and I had to use an over-simplified explanation of "Tom" identity in Thailand. It is, in fact, both complex and wide-reaching in terms of all the disparities within a single, umbrella term. The word itself is short for "Tomboy" in that it basically grabs a masculine way of presenting. These identities are largely sexually oriented toward women, but there are such things as Tom + Tom relationships and while some Toms still identify as female and use the female pronouns and polite particles, others identify as male and use male personal pronouns and polite articles. Among top fighters in Thailand: Phetjeejaa, for example, now uses male pronouns; Tanonchanok has even posted to facebook implying an ultimate desire for surgical sex reassignment. Dokmaibaa, however, uses female personal pronouns and yet another example of Yodying is a Tom who uses female personal pronouns publicly and male personal pronouns among closer friends and acquaintances. This is complicated by social pressures, as Phetjeejaa for example uses male pronouns and chooses very male phrases and attitudes for facebook, but uses female pronouns while being interviewed on stage after fights for THAI FIGHT, as it's on TV.

Tom includes a Trans identity, but one that has a significant spectrum of specifications under a fairly broad term.