Ep 127 - Riot Cars Go Vrrrrroom w/ Arturo & Shemon
Added 2021-01-13 11:00:04 +0000 UTCOur friends Arturo and Shemon stop by to discuss the George Floyd rebellion and how it might go from a series of isolated insurrections to a glorious proletarian revolution. Radical geography, looting caravans, white accomplices, organized labor, and the black counter-insurgency as viewed through a Fresh Prince of Bel-Air lens.
Stay tuned for Friday's bonus in which we discuss the chud riot at the capitol and what lessons we can take from the American Civil War.
Articles referenced:
https://illwilleditions.com/theses-on-the-george-floyd-rebellion/
https://illwilleditions.com/the-rise-of-black-counter-insurgency/
https://illwilleditions.com/the-return-of-john-brown-white-race-traitors-in-the-2020-uprising/
https://illwilleditions.com/prelude-to-a-new-civil-war/
https://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/cars-riots-black-liberation
https://itsgoingdown.org/fire-on-main-street-small-cities-in-the-george-floyd-uprising/
Outro song: Dj Screw - Sittin on Top of the World (Big Floyd aka George Floyd verse)
Comments
When Naeples sudden riot happened on 23rd october, whole left, stalinist, bordighist and troskyst told: it has nothing to do with a proletariat uprise, because the whole left is thinking about a gradual accumulation of forces will come from (only) from the process of usual and common struggle of the working class. Such events are interesting only ad “syntoms” but nothing more. That’s the alert we would understand because the same Orgs pretend now some lobbist action to the state (still based on welfare state demands)....
Noi-Non-Abbiamo-Patria
2021-01-31 12:41:08 +0000 UTCI think there are historically two concepts have been determined by the capitalism phases: proletariat organization (unions) and party of the proletariat. Historycally such forms have been coopted by capital relations due to the ascendent force of accumulation of value (not by external corruption of few leaders). Coms and leftist tried to fill the gap between working class and leftist orgs. But the way it has been done is determined by how we “suppose” proletariat fractures with capitalist relations maybe will happen. I am from Rome and I can tell this is the truth story of Bordighian rivers failures. Second, if we suppose revolution simply as the re-affirmation of past forms (the commune or the soviet) we simply prepare ourself to theorize the materialistic limitations of such past forms, we go to the new metizo proletariat at the tail of challenges it is facing, proposing forms and strategies of the past revolutionary phases that has been defeated due to a contrerevolutionary capital material capacity, before to be defetead by leders traitors. In this way Shemon and Arturo play an important alert higlighting unprcedent values of George Floyd rebellion. It assumes also an example of what we will see soon in Europe or in Italy (e.g. Neaples 23rd october). The systemic general crisis of collapsing capitalism is today more deep into the highest capitalism (something different from the past cycles), but in some way George Floyd rebellion teaching have a significance at the international level.
Noi-Non-Abbiamo-Patria
2021-01-31 12:28:23 +0000 UTClmao was not expecting to hear dj skrew
Quinn
2021-01-19 07:16:51 +0000 UTCshut up stupid
Quinn
2021-01-19 06:16:47 +0000 UTCyou would be more persuasive if you weren't just reiterating the very position that the people you're disagreeing with hold against a straw man that you've built.
Quinn Morlock
2021-01-15 15:32:17 +0000 UTCPeace and love 💘 ✌that was not at all what I meant and I think you are reading into my comment with veiled eyes .
dillards dept.
2021-01-15 00:09:36 +0000 UTCI'm really not interested in arguing at all . I didn't mean to be combative but thats how it came across. What I suggest is a synthesis of Leninist structure with traditional anarchist structure like federations of the Spanish civil war. I think alot of left coms in USA have fetishized this idea of pure spontaneous organization. The anarchist and communist traditions have SO MANY different forms of organization we can grasp for and synthesize. This complete rejection of organization i think comes from our deeply held individualist culture and its not even visible to us. I was about that for a long time but I think some structure is needed .
dillards dept.
2021-01-15 00:07:23 +0000 UTCthere are lots of examples of historical situations most recently would be the George Floyd uprising
ubik 2084
2021-01-14 23:56:53 +0000 UTCACAB was mainstream for months and the best we got was a burnt Wendy's. Imagine a world...
Salman
2021-01-14 18:31:12 +0000 UTCUgh excuse me, I'm a leninist and these other dudes up top are fucking idiots. And the two dudes on the pod are right about everything.
Quinn Morlock
2021-01-14 14:12:34 +0000 UTCNot that anybody has ever claimed that organization is inherently authoritarian, but of course people cry at the suggestion of some transgressive internet weirdo having authority over them. I don't think any ML who's done actual offline politics would want some 4chan dipshit to have power over them either.
dusted
2021-01-14 11:00:48 +0000 UTCAgreed! Having witnessed Bob Avakian's Revcom people try to organize at various BLM protests in Portland, I can say there is definitely a need to re-examine these notions of organization. Obviously we need organization but it can't just be some poor parodies of past methods.
Zack Rowe
2021-01-14 03:19:23 +0000 UTCButthurt leninoids say ☝🏼. These people didn’t say they were against organization they just said it’s not gonna be your capital “O” organization that’s gonna get the goods. In fact one of the guests said they are proponents of organization. It’s so condescending and dorky to think you’re gonna show up and be like “Good news, Proles! My acronym has a plan for how we can do the same old shit over again.” I’ve seen it on the ground. It’s how the left ends up alienating itself back into its white academic corner. Just take a deep breath and allow yourself to be impressed by what the rage and creativity of the working class can accomplish. Then maybe you can begin to approach the question of organization from a place of humility and collaboration instead of smug red saviorism.
Cowabungular Manslaughter
2021-01-14 01:19:44 +0000 UTCbbbbut but organization is inherently authoritarian wahhhhhh
Charlie
2021-01-13 22:02:22 +0000 UTCAs a former anarchist I think these arguments are tired and soooo over simplified. Whats the point of talking about any of this if the proletariat will magically spontaneously self organize . No historical situations where this has happened and people have been able to create the organization necessary to hold onto gains made. Organization is crucial question. And those who ignore it will be irrelevant during insurrection.
dillards dept.
2021-01-13 20:51:18 +0000 UTCCan you expand on that a little bit more?
Andrew
2021-01-13 15:48:35 +0000 UTCthese guys are honestly pretty ignorant and it’s frustrating that the crew didn’t push back more
Charlie
2021-01-13 15:09:58 +0000 UTCI really did think I'd never see the day New York leftists realize there's a whole world outside New York.
Quinn Morlock
2021-01-13 14:18:32 +0000 UTC
