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BONUS - SMALL TOWN MURDER - UNKNOWN NUMBER

This week, James and Jimmie discuss the Netflix documentary called Unknown Number!

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I'm not even a parent and i cant wrap my head around the fact that anyone could do this to a child.

Tiffnie

She has to be one of the worst mothers ever ! The length of the abuse / torture is mind boggling. I wonder if she ever gained any insight about her behaviour. She minimized the impact on her daughter.

Anne-Marie Fitzgerald

I don't understand how a parent can do that shit! batshit bananas! The poor dad 😯

Tonya

If he's no circumcised, he is now šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†

MCCorndogPoppers

-Khloes parents were terrible. -That daughter seems incredibly broken (makes sense) -The mom is for sure a pedophile

Jocelyn

The woman is a malignant narcissist. She wishes her child harm. If Lauren had harmed herself her mother would have revelled in the attention. This psychological damage is hard to prove in court. People in the wider community just can't believe a mother could harm her child. lm a forensic psychologist and this sort of thing is more common than you think.

melissa speirs

I think Kendra may be a Narcissistic Sociopath. The sociopathic element is clear in her spinning plates of lies, not only trying to destroy her daughter’s life, but also pretending to be working two jobs. It might appear to be Munchausen’s but the attention she received for her daughter’s distress would also feed her narcissism. She also showed no remorse or empathy for her daughter, which leads me to think she isn’t possible of self reflection = narcissism.

Fran Hitzke

I don't think I've ever thought and screamed "you bitch" this much, ever. Spot on diagnosis, sick bitch!!! Omg what a disgusting human being.

Roushelle Williams

I thought Quasimodo!!

Keaton Rosenbaum

I just fucking got it! She looks like Eeyore! The human Eeyore!

Heather Murphy

This woman is fucking crazy! I think she was very into Owen. If I was the dad, I would have kicked her ass for sure!

Nicole

Fucking bananas

Holly B

I went to a K-12 school with ~300 kids. My class was 28 kids which was a "big" class for the area. Sounds great when I tell people I graduated 5th in my class though. You were spot on about sports. Everyone made the team because we needed bodies. Our town only had 2 cops and one of them would give athletes breaks/warnings as an extra incentive. Plus if you were actually good it wasn't too hard to stand out.

sam w riedell

To me it sounds like a reverse electra complex. Usually it's daughter to mother, but in this case mother to daughter. Maybe Kendrah's maturity was arrested in high school, trauma will cause that if she was in fact graped, and now that her daughter is a teen, she sees her as some kind of competition. Regardless, her actions are shockingly sinister and abusive. I think it's going to take years for the damage to Lauren to fully reveal itself, especially if she continues to allow her mother in her life.

Tammy Hedrick

Regarding Unknown Number - it’s called child abuse - it’s factious disorder (For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com). The issue is that people focus on the fact that it’s a mental disorders - the predators disorder becomes the focus - the investigation and prosecution is far behind the research - the predator here is the mom wanting to harm the the child - and here the daughter is the target - the others are secondary concerns - just think of it this way - if the father was sending these messages he would be in prison - it’s the same here - there’s a lot of misinformation and patents - mainly moms claiming false accusations- Recommendation- listen to Nobody Should Believe Me Podcast. Parent rights groups and media is not covering.

Madelin Kucharski

I want to know how Kendra can say she wasn’t attracted to Owen when she went out of her way to text the new girlfriend. Personally, I think the motive was due to her attraction to her daughter’s boyfriend.

Alexsys Larson

Khloes parents were so delusional. If you get called into the office to discuss your child bullying others more than once, you're child might be a bully. Maybe because you're a bully too, mom and dad? And then talking shit about the investigator, "I called it from the begin" Oh isn't it so convenient for you to have been right the whole time in hindsight. šŸ™„ Why is she allowed to still contact Lo from prison??? Kendra really seemed to think she would break them up, steal Owen, that Owen's parents would be OK with that somehow, and then she could rely on them financially. Sick sick sick.

Tiffany Zeiss

This bitch is crazy. There was a boy I went to school with and was bullied all his life after graduation he laid down on the train tacks and got killed by the train. My dad was the cop that found him and I will never unhear what he saw.

Cheyanne Duffany

I can't even type her name... I am in a state of utter contempt... 19 month's... it should've been 19 years! The grief, worry, concern, heartache, heartbreak, sexual perversion to not only her flesh & blood but to her entire community... I am sick to my stomach knowing how many young teenagers had to be questioned by police. Due to all of the sexually explicit language she put in her text, I'm sure a lot of those kids would've had questions...I just hope that their parents took the time to sit down & explain it to them... I am aghast at the way she took & took & took from her husband & family...lying to cover her tracks... If she went through rape & abuse that is horrible, but it in no way justifies what she did... The fact that her husband didn't go after her in anger says a lot about his character, he put his children 1st... her daughter having anything to do with her is more than she deserves.... When she brought up the law & "getting caught" causing her to be treated like a bad person... Wow...! If she had any morals or values she would see that the law isn't what makes her a bad person... even if she had never been caught... she made herself a bad person by the choices she made...

Lauren Yeamans

I feel like Kendra: A) Was unhappy with her life, felt no sense of control. So she felt power in dragging someone else down & making them equally unhappy. Misery love company. B) Parents have a difficult time letting go of their children when they start be gain independence around Lauren’s age & older. Normal parents worry a lot about their children, & the issues they face as teenagers. I wonder if in some sick twisted way, Kendra justified this to herself by thinking ā€œat least it’s me doing it. at least i can control what’s being said because it’s me.ā€ I also wonder if it’s a way of breaking Lauren down & making her emotionally dependent on Kendra. She’s always there, she’s love bombing, she’s the safe person, the confidant, & part of Lauren’s support network. I feel like Kendra has narcissistic tendencies at the least. She had little empathy, she’s controlling and manipulative, she’s attention seeking, she’s self centred, and maybe she views Lauren as competition instead of her own person. Whose job it is to support & help flourish.

Holly Conway

Kendra is a child abuser, plain and simple. What sge did was verbal, emotional, and psychological abuse. She permanently damaged her daughter’s psyche and should never be allowed to contact her daughter or ex-husband, ever. I can’t believe she received such a light sentence. That’s pathetic. Kendra has serious mental health issues in the realm of a psychopath with malignant narcissism.

Erin Isabella

Surprised the mom was able to do the interview and take time away from building her dam

Joe the Cynic

Her showing up at Owen’s sporting events after they were broken up is all you need to know that she was attracted to him. This was all about jealousy and a power dynamic over people.

Nick Amenta

She's definitely cashed in on her situation. Oof. I don't follow her, though, because I don't know that I'd believe anything she says.

Stacey Rebmann

I cracked up when you said Khloe's parents were assholes. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ I thought the same thing. I'm not sure what Kendra's deal is. She's definitely not right in fhe head. I think maybe she wanted her daughter to need comfort...to "need" her. Wanting to insinuate herself into a group of teenagers because she was either abused or her childhood was lacking makes sense, too.

Stacey Rebmann

I hadn't heard about this documentary, because I don't have Netflix, but it's sick. How could any parent send such vile things to their child? I'm so glad I grew up before everyone had the internet, let alone the advent of social media.

Rosemarie Cawkwell

Gypsy Rose is a narcissistic head case. Her mother never had Munchausen and blah blah blah..... Watch the hundreds of YouTube content creators who are STILL talking about her.

Karen Maguire

She should have been charged as a pedophile and I cant believe she was allowed to make contact with her daughter, HER VICTIM, while she was in prison. Shes gonna do this shit again.

Meg Yesterday

Thank you! Literally nobody was mad enough in this documentary for me! The daughter and husband I understand were in shock but I’d be flipping my shit, I was more mad just watching the doc than both of them combined.

Alexandra Merie

My opinion is that she is a pedophile. She’s just abusing differently than some pedophiles. She isn’t doing it physically, but she’s doing it emotionally. Nobody talks to 14-year-olds about sex like this It’s disgusting. These are children. She’s a sicko sex offender and a pathological liar. I hope that when her daughter matures, she can cut off this toxic mother because this woman is never going to change. She is a sociopath and sick in the head.

Mandy

Why this woman is not a registered sex offender I will never know. It actually enrages me. She’s a disgusting pedo, imo. Besides being a terrible mom.

Mandy

The high school they did the filming in is our local high school. Not even the one the kid went to.

Amy H

As a daughter, moms can be messed up at times. Mine was just neurotic. But I've seen other moms fawn over their daughter's boyfriend and thought, eww that's gross and inappropriate. Sometimes it's because they're trying to re-live their youth through the daughter, other times... you wonder wtf is going on. I know of moms that have dated the guy after the daughter broke up with him. Just weird and fucked up, made me glad my mom wasn't like that.

Tricia Hemp

Glad y'all are doing this case because I didn't want to watch the documentary

Renee Pollard

She looks like a Vogon from Hitchhickers Guide.

Liz G

Easy answer to your question as a mum…completely agree she is a a sick bitch.

david wood

I swear to God... watching this, i dont think i have ever called someone a c*** so much my life, and then again while listening to this immediately after we finished watching the documentary. What a fuckin horrible piece of shit the mother truly is

Neil Polling

As a mother of a daughter and a daughter of a narcissist. I think this mother needs to die. I cut ties with my mother as an adult. She saw nothing wrong with bringing me to my grandparents house, knowing that my grandfather was a pedophile. He abused all of his daughters, and most of his granddaughters. I was one of them. I would not EVER bring my children to a known pedophiles home. This mom is sick and she needs more help than any one person can give her. I fel bad for the daughter as it is going to be a lifelong battle for her to always want to please her mom...Stockholm syndrome at its finest.

Amber Cranmer

This is the ONLY podcast I will actually pay for. You guys are hilarious! Thank you for your hard work. I must have over 500 true crime books in my closet. Lol. I didn't know so many people liked true crime! People used to act like I was some kind of weirdo back in the day. Lol. Even people think this podcast is rude! They need to chill out & stfu! Laughing is the only way I could get through my past traumas with death. We are strong. We are the survivors.

Golden Girl

ā€œBaby boomerā€ with top teeth She’ll circumcise your penis with her teeth šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ My favorite, ā€œā€ mouth always open like she smells a stale fart HAHA

Cali kayak

I was really concerned about the daughter. Her attitude throughout the documentary and the fact that she seemed ok with her Mom. I feel like there is definitely some unaddressed trauma there.

Jennifer

WHY is she not in prison as a sec offender?? She texted vile shit to underage kids. She is a Pedophile!

Angelina Collie

Horrible mother. I think she is mental. I think she was obsessed with Owen. She needs a lot of help.

Ginabean5713

No party hats for this cunt of a mom 🄳

Erin Anselmo

Donnie Wahlberg was also in Band of Brothers!

Paddy McCue

She is a nonce who fancied Owen and also loved that Lauren needed her and the attention it brought. She was a sad old loser who was trying to live through her daughter and knew that she would be out the house in a few years so was trying to tie her to her by making Lauren believe she needed her mum. She never thought she’d get caught. Kind of a fucked up munchausen by proxy. On another note….anyone watched trainwreck: balloon boy? Would love to hear James and jimmies take on it. Am watching it now and I’m convinced it was all a performative scam. Edit: it was šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Anne-Marie Miller

Mom was in fantasy world in her mind where Owen was her boyfriend and she had no responsibility.

Chelsea O'Neill

a 9yr old girl in france just died by suicide from being bullied for her weight. it breaks my heart for the next gen aka my 2yr old grandson

Justine McNeil

what the hell happened to her to be able to actually do this to her own DAUGHTER?!! absolutely crazy!!

Justine McNeil

Oh geez. Deep dive didn't actually find much in the way of actual news articles, but I see her plea/sentence/ parole info on a .gov page so this shit is actually real. Oof! All I can say is that this woman is sicker than I thought the lowest levels of human depravity could actually reach. As a mother to 3 daughters, I would go beyond to help them maintain metal health, especially through the hormonal "I want to commit die" phase and I hope this skunt gets all that's coming to her.

Morgan Pagan

Hola Turkeys! Messing with niƱos es no buena/bueno.

Zachary Leatherwood

That girl Khloe and her parents are terrible to be around. That woman could smell her own teeth.

Matt Fost

I totally listened to this and another of my favorite pods on this story, so had to run and watch. I only have one question--am I the only person that's having flashbacks to Blair Witch?!?! Like, it's so realistic that we believe it, but it turns out to be the lowest budget best horror movie of the year?!?! Hear me out--I have a very extensive background in film and theater. Mostly film. I see a ton of cuts/quality/acting that can only be paid for. So far, 2/3 of this doc seems incredibly overacted, complete with erratic casting. Maybe it's just me...

Morgan Pagan

Exactly! If this was a grown man texting a young girl this you can bet he would have been charged with child pornography etc.

Casey

I was confused as to why the police or FBI told Lo that her mother was the texter in the same room with her. Lo was an underage victim.

Casey

Also wanted to point out that Shaun and Kendra were already separated and headed for divorce when she was arrested. This knowledge gives him even more saintly value that he did not kill her.

Casey

This is the best recap of this documentary that exists, I’m laughing out loud. Here for making fun of horrible people!

Alecia Lowe

I think the daughter was in on it the whole time

Rich Dolloff

Really random but I couldn’t get over the amount of alcohol that was sitting on the table when the police were at the house. Kendra is a very sick bitch and possibly an alcoholic by the looks of the supply they had.

Courtney

We watched this last night and we thought it might be a sibling or a phone carrier worker. Even when the FBI said it was probably Kendra I thought no way. Kendra is a POS and I hope Lauryn realizes what her mother did unforgivable.

Travis WTAF

Thank you for using your platform to call attention to teen suicide. As a teacher, I know rates have risen exponentially with the hyper-fixation on appearance driven by social media, and with the isolation created by the pandemic. The numbers are higher in rural areas and high-poverty communities. The youngest student I had who died by suicide was in sixth grade. It’s absolutely heartbreaking, and this woman’s behavior is tantamount to playing Russian roulette with her daughter’s life. I hope the daughter gets the help she will need for years to come. And there is something so profoundly broken in Kendra, I doubt a platoon of psychs could agree on a diagnosis.

Amy Sousa

Are you thinking of the bonus they did about the kidnapped lady? Seemed like bs but turned out she actually way kidnapped

Ryan Mountain

I can’t imagine a parent doing this to their own child. Sadly I know this type of evil exists…. But shit. So sad and hard to wrap my brain around

Ryan Mountain

Definitely Munchausen!!! Lauren got a boyfriend and as teenage girls do, she started to separate from her mother. Kendra badly needs to feel needed by her daughter, so she created the drama that would get her back. She is psycho!!

Jennifer Finley

My friend’s dad walked up to my friend and I one day when we were at his house and asked why I was on my phone. He said ā€œY’all in here snatch chatting or something?ā€ And I fucking died laughing. Shit was so funny.

Nicolas Springer

The Wilsons are pricks until something unfortunate happens then its victim time very right wing. Owen is douchey probably was creeping on the low, to not talk to Lauren is bit much but understandable. Shawn is freaking Gandhi Lauren did nothing wrong I hope she moves away from there and starts new in college. Kendra should be monitored ASAP and wouldn't shock me in 5 years if her and Owen banging so she can do everything in those text messages šŸ¤¢šŸ˜… gross and unbelievable.

Ray Bullock

This mother is vile

Stephen Tot

not James making me emotional about his high school classmate.... :(

Natalie Stokes

That last make it cream made me lol 🤣🤣🤣

dhigueracooke

The worst form of Munchasen

Kristi Sanford

She reminds me of my mother in a lot of ways. My mother is a narcissist. Everyone thinks she's a benevolent angel, because she's the first one with a dish or prayer or volunteering. Yet she called me names and did scary things to me that made me fear my life. I was the apple of her eye until I got to be a teenager, then she became Mommy Dearest. I think it's competition and the loss of control. She realized I was an independent person and not a puppet. That's my perspective.

Amy Easton

Kendra was jealous of her daughter. She hates her looks and achievements. She's a slimeball in a sea of puss.

Melanie Pacific

Her lips are like Jack and Rose: they will never be together

Kristi B Green

Was this a bonus episode recently? Or was that a different doc?

Joelene Arnold

Why is she not a registered sex offender

Laura T

"......Yeah, I'm not happy with this, but wtf am I gonna do?"

Wryslok

Doing a Snapchat on the media sounds like something my mom would say šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ She has me saying ā€œon the Facebookā€ šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

DK

If it were my daughter, I'd be a hop, skip and sideswipe away, breaking every road rule in the book

PadrePaul Ballin

The mom looks like a literal worm

Wundumho

I think that once her financial fuckery became apparent, and her daughter was aging out and pulling away, she would have burned the house down with her family inside

Brian Ashley

I like how Jimmie looked up leading cause of teen deaths and skipped number 1 lol. I don’t blame you for not saying it.

Joseph

This woman is way too preoccupied with the genitalia of young teens. Predatory grooming behavior includes exposure to sexual content. It didn’t have pictures but it was porn. This woman got off on talking like that to kids and thinking about that shit. This was sexually explicit harassment of children. 🚩🚩🚩. She should be on a list.

Kim Corgan-Hatfield

I *could* see it being a false trail or she just likes bullying

Smalls (smallenoughtofit)

I 100%. I think she wanted to relive her youth. I have a daughter and I find it hard to believe a mother would do that to her own daughter.

Denise Mastrucci

I dont like that my name is also Kendra. Lol

Kendra ( Whisman's next wife) Scarberry

She's a sick bitch!

Angela Cardo

Owen and Kieth Papini are in the same boat, y'know?

Smalls (smallenoughtofit)

As a female who would also be heartbroken if they lost all their tools, it’s not only men who feel for Shawn in this story Jimmie!! Frankly as someone who has been a teenage girl and now an adult with all the shit that comes with that, I think I actually feel worse for Shawn than Lauryn šŸ‘€

Gayla Cameron

They need to do a thing about how Kendra treated Lauren beforehand. Because Kendra bullied Lauren before she ever sent those texts. Kendra is mad that Lauren looks like her, but is prettier. She's the kind of mom who'd make her daughter try on her old wedding dress and by happy it didnt fit. She can't quite be accepted in this tiny town and Lauren is and she hates her for it

Smalls (smallenoughtofit)

This. My mom couldn’t stop harassing me even into adulthood. She did a bad address change in my name at one point so I couldn’t receive mail. This doc brought up a lot of things for me. I might contact the governor and the postal inspectors again. No one studies this phenomenon and law enforcement doesn’t want to do anything about ā€˜a family matter’ but this happens more than you’d expect.

Grumpy Aunt

As someone who wasn't able to have kids, when I see or hear about abuse of a child, I just... I'm smiling in my mug shot, as a previous poster said. How could she look her baby in the face knowing she was the one to cause her that pain?? I just can't with this bitch.

Trina

i read somewhere that lauryn reacted like that because she had pretty much figured out it was mom before the cops did.

Stabby Paine

You cannot convince me that she was not in love with Owen. Why would she be messaging his new girlfriend if she wasn’t?

Leslie Ruby

1. She’s a pedo 2. I’d smile in my mugshot if I were the dad

Kirsti Allen

That bombshell at the end… Khloe’s parents saying Shawn and Lauryn would try to play the victims? GTFO! It’s shocking that Kendra got away with it for so long, and that plea was bullshit - she should still be in jail. And the cops just leaving Shawn, Kendra and Lauryn alone together after the search/seizure? WTF?! Kendra should have been arrested or at least Lauryn into protective custody. What a shitshow.

Erin Rigsby

Jimmy nailed it. I’d bet everything it’s 90% on the Owen end of things. The rest is the sympathy from other parents. I don’t think it had anything to do with being hero mom

Quinn Ales

Aww man, waiting for the liquor table commentary that never came 😭

Joan M

We used to play Beal City in football playoffs. I'm from a small town in the U.P. cool to see a documentary on it, but insane as hell

Noah Yates

I think she should have been charged with child abuse, child pornography for sending pornographic msgs, be put on a sexual predator list, and there should be a no contact order between her and her daughter. Where is the victim advocacy in this story? The police in this town suck!

D.

Some moms just get a kick out of bullying their daughters. Idk wtf it is but it happens A LOT. Thankfully not to this level most of the time but if you ask 20 women, ā€œwhat was your relationship like with your momā€ I guarantee you at least 5 out of the 20 would tell you their mom did not like them, to the point of making fun of them or constantly putting them down.

Tegan

This episode needs a blanket "Don't Isolate That" disclaimer....lmfao

Cralles Borden

I did not watch the documentary but my daughter told me about it. I also listened to another podcast about it. It’s sad to say when I heard it I thought I can see my own mother doing this. But I agree with James and Jimmie she is a sick bitch. I feel sorry for the daughter and husband and I hope they get the help they need to overcome that evil woman’s manipulation. It bothers me that the daughter still wants her mom. Although I should understand that I made excuses about mine for years. That woman is right up there with Lori Vallow imo sick twisted bitches

Alicia Grant

Well I like to think she’s fucking nuts. And she’s a straight pedophile. She is dangerously sick. And as for her teeth, damn.

Shayne Bartlett

I thought a few things about Kendra. First, I don't believe she was sexually assaulted (she may have been, but it's more likely that she's taken pieces of other people's stories); it tracks with her MO that she would use something like that, a societal boundary, to manipulate people after she's caught. I also think she had a crush on Owen and has pedophilic tendencies -- but not because she, as an adult woman, is attracted to kids. I think it was specifically Owen because she didn't just identify with Lauren. I think she thought she WAS Lauren. Like, that's why she went to all the games and did all the PTA and bake sales and all that. And that's why she didn't start messaging Lauren until around 2 years into the relationship -- because that's around the time Lauren and Owen would want to do things themselves and Kendra isn't a part of it anymore. It was about control but also about being Lauren. Subsuming her. So the attraction to Owen was born out of that. I don't think she had to learn teen speak, I think she never grew up. She's a baby woman. Like that adult who pretended to be a teen bc she loved high school. Texting her daughter all that sexual content and introducing her to that world bothers me almost as much as pushing her to kill herself. It's tantamount to sexually violating her. Definitely sick, whatever the root cause is.

Rachel Pelovitz

The ā€œWhy are you using periodsā€ about took me took me out. Their podcasts need to come with warning labels…eating or drinking while listening to could be hazardous to your health. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Cathy Samuels

I wonder why she didn’t have to register as a sex offender? I’d be ready to do time if somebody messed with one of my kids. They’re adults with kids of their own. So now I’m on 2nd generation FAFO with the grandkids. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

Cathy Samuels

The mother only agreed to do the show near the end of filming.

Kira Knight

I cannot believe how they blamed Lauryn, I am so glad this podcast also agrees with my views of them.

Eveline

I was really hoping they'd do this I can't wait to hear their perspectives

Jennifer Lincoln

You don’t use periods in texts unless you’re mad, these guys are chopped. No aura or rizz whatsoever (how kids talk these days)

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Ginger Thomas

I applaud Shawn for knowing he wouldn't be able to restrain himself if she didn't leave the house and trying to keep things from being even worse for Lauren.

EM

When I was in 5th grade, there was a boy in my class who was found "hung" in a guested area in our small town. The weird part was that he was on his knees, leaning forward and one hand was in his pocket. I think it was ruled a suicide?

Erika Fultz

My 13 year old has tried to "bruh" me... I turn my head real slow with raise one eyebrow raised. He backpedals REAL quick. 🤣

Erika Fultz

Dad why you using commas bro? Hilarious!!! I’m a mom of a 15 year old girl and my hypothesis is that the mom was living in a fantasy world where she was her daughter’s age. And the fantasy felt so much better than real life that she just stayed in it. It’s easier to construct that fantasy using real people and settings and situations. Not sure why it had to involve destructing her own child necessarily, but I can stretch enough to imagine a middle aged woman choosing to live in a fantasy world if she can’t cope with the banality of real life.

Nicole

Jealousy, plain and simple. She felt like she screwed her life up and she was Jealous of her daughter because she has everything thing a head of her. Crazy mom felt like her life passed her by. What a nut

Victoria Sterling

So glad you guys did this so I don’t have to watch it!

Cossondra Howard

Im trying to figure out why she's not a registered sex offender

Laura T

When my mom picks up my daughter she says, "bye gang!" Like, it's just me and your stepdad weirdo. And every text is, "Bruh, can I have $5?"

Alexis Brooks

Any one else clock it was an adult immediately when she said ā€œDTFā€

em ma

I am the only daughter to my mom after two boys. She was very popular in highschool. Pretty, thin, well liked. Social butterfly. In all kinds of clubs and activities. I was...kind of the opposite. Artsy goth anime nerd. Not much of a joiner. Very few friends. I always felt like my mom somewhat resented that she couldn't relive her highschool experience through me. By my sophomore year she was pretty checked out on interest in my life and general parenting. That said, when there was drama between me and others she was ALL IN. Obsessing over every detail, telling me what to say. Always wanting to add fuel to the fire rather than helping me ignore, solve or deescalate. I am a fan of the "stuck" theory. While my experience is minor, it was always pretty obvious to me that my mom wanted to return to that period of her own life. Adulthood wasn't very kind to her, I think she felt the safest and most full in highschool. I think this mom also did absolutely have a thing for the boyfriend. Going to his games after the breakup alone is alllll kinds of weird. She should have absolutely been labeled a sex offender.

Mgncapri

The best thing I’ve heard about this documentary was something Ellyn Marsh said - that the mom’s weird vulgar texts sounded like Judy Gemstone wrote them lol

Jen Leccese

ā€œWould like anything in your coffee?ā€ ā€œMAKE IT CREAM!ā€

Samuel Katz

Someone please make a meme of old loves head and a nice banner "make it cream" šŸ¦ 🤣

Ryan Honey

If he ain’t circumcised he’s about to be šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

K8 Schmitt

You guys are going to need sick bitch and make it cream shirts now 🤣🤣

Ben Rosenthal

Do you think she created the situation that needed a hero and she became that hero?

Rhoda Byke

I’m a mom to two girls ages 16 and 27 and I cannot even fathom doing this to them. Even when they piss me off and that’s a lot. At the age of 14 they are starting high school and that’s an extremely tough time and not a time to mess with their emotions. I personally think that Lauren knew that it was her mom Because her reaction was way off. She was way too calm. If I did this to my 16 year old daughter I would be scared to go to sleep. The mom is mentally ill. And jimmy your comment at the end about circumcision was the icing(or cream) on the cake šŸ˜‚

Leanna Chapman

Are you familiar with the Feast of Trumpets hysteria that was going on recently with all of the Tiktokers that were convinced the rapture was coming? That should be a bonus episode.

M. M.

1 šŸ‘šŸ» 2 šŸ‘šŸ» 3 šŸ‘šŸ» CREAM! šŸ™ŒšŸ»

Ashley Valencia

Cream 🤢

Samantha Breach

I have a different take on it, I think she’s sexually abusing the daughter for sure but to scare and intimidate her. Not because she’s attracted to children. She’s describing some more advanced acts that most 14 year olds aren’t doing. She’s competing with her daughter in a ā€˜I’m more advanced than you you can’t please a man like I can.’ I don’t know if I think she’s actually interested in Owen but she does want to intimidate her daughter and make her feel uncomfortable & afraid about sexuality in general. I mean I don’t know if it matters what the motive is, it is sexualized abuse of a minor. But I don’t think she’s actually interested in 14 year olds because that makes her feel good. I think she’s interested in SCARING 14 year olds. How weird must it have been for Owen with this lady still going to his games. She’s trying to creep them out IMO and disrupt their normal little puppy love thing for good.

Grumpy Aunt

Agree 100%. Switch the gender of the parent doing this and everyone would be screaming pedophile!

Jen B

My first job, this 26 YO woman was ā€˜friends’ with the other 16 YO who worked there with me and went to all her basketball games. It was really weird, and also I went to a different school & also played basketball & she would shit talk our team. She was obviously, at least to me, crushing on this younger person but no one except me thought it was odd at the time. Like what single 26 YO is going to their HS coworker’s basketball games? Why don’t you have a friend your own age? For context this is small town New England, no one is going pro coming out of these schools. It was just kind of creepy.

Grumpy Aunt

Some moms are overly competitive with their daughters. My mom got mad when my dad hugged me on my birthday when I was 4. She said ā€˜if you love her so much why don’t you marry HER.’ When I was 8 a weird guy was following me in the supermarket she said I was ā€˜picking up men at the store’ over dinner to humiliate me in front of the whole family. It gets worse from there. Some people are sick and should not have children. DCYF investigated my family but never removed me from the home. My mom was not even forced to be in counseling for abusing me; that was only ordered for what she did to my brother.

Grumpy Aunt

Why isn't that mom considered a sex offender? If a man were sending those sorts of messages to a child, he would 100% be considered a sex offender. Ugh. I'm so glad I was out of school before social media became big. Kids bullied me for sport but at least I could go home and it would stop (well, kind of, the siblings picked up the slack, but at least these were siblings who deep down actually cared about me...)

Ashley W.

She would rather have her daughter close by even if she’s alone and miserable. Her daughter was cute, popular, etc. Hurting her psychologically makes it less likely she’d leave for college or to move in with Owen someday

Grumpy Aunt

I wanted to beat her ass!!

Melissa Tenorio

I had an abusive mom who stole all my money from my afterschool job etc. She didn’t work for years then worked sparingly, like sometimes as a sub teacher. She tried to force me to drop out of HS even though I had good grades. The week I moved out for college they lost their housing and asked me for a deposit so they didn’t end up homeless. My sister: no trouble. Able to save from her afterschool job. They drove her around to look at colleges several states away. My mom terrorized me & no one would help me, not my dad. Not my aunts. Not my sister who’s just a little younger. Tried to tell some teachers and a coach at school they just got mad. Someone needs to study these moms who hate their daughters and enjoy hurting them. It’s more common than people know

Grumpy Aunt

This kinda reminds me of that STM episode of the woman posting on Facebook all the time about that couple

Samuel Katz

If my husband were doing this to my child I would be in prison!!

Elizabeth Freeman

She was jealous of her daughter because she's young and cute.

Melissa

You guys made it mfn CREAM šŸ’€šŸ’€ Absolute banger of an episode, boys ā­ļø 🦃

Junanne Hayes

I haven’t watched the doc yet, but digital munchausen by proxy sounds right to me. She gets to seem like the best mother in the world by caring for her bullied daughter, seeming to be on her side, getting lots of attention by forcing the school and the authorities to check in with her and give updates on the situation. Probably having other parents checking in on her and on her daughter. She also probably got extra attention from her daughter and seemed to provide her extra support. And if her daughter kills herself, she gets to be the grieving mother. So fucking gross. The texts you guys read made me feel ill.

Molly S

I haven’t watch the documentary but listened to the boys and another podcast about it. My first thought was this mom saw her daughter as competition.

Judy Anderson

Although I'm not qualified to provide a professional diagnosis, my amateur speculation is that Kendra shows several tendencies of a malignant narcissist. She's stunted in her ability to love or care for another human, even her own child.

Crowded Crow

I think the Jimmy's pulled a genius joke on the audience. To see how many people believe that the show is real

ted aspel

I LOVE you guys even more for doing this bonus episode! As we all watched this doc, I think many of us immediately thought, "I want to hear what James and Jimmie think!" That last minute of the show... 🤣🤣 (Also take a drink every time they say cream!)

Brandi H

Was there an insurance policy on the daughter?

Leeanne Nosko

She's lucky she isn't in the UK. There is a specific crime here,of inciting a child to sexual activity,and her telling her daughter (who is a child!) to do what she did would definitely fall under the scope of that law. She'd be jailed and probably end up on the sex offender's register,with all the restrictions that entails.Her poor,poor daughter,the whole thing is just so awful.

Kathryn Shorrock

Totally agree with other moms, I have 2 grown daughters and there's no way I would think about doing this to them. High school was hard enough for my youngest šŸ«‚ I was raped by a supposed friend in high school & I would do anything to protect my daughters. Getting them to talk to me while they were growing up was hard enough in the early 2000's with everything else. She should be on a child predator listšŸ‘ŠšŸ’Æ

Danise Flood

I'm surprised her husband didn't tell her to get her fucking hands off her. You don't get to touch my daughter after you pull that shit.

Sarah Zamenski

She used one of those spoofing apps that assigns a random phone number, the same thing telemarketers use so you can't block them.

Sarah Zamenski

Oh. It’s an unknown number. Ok I just got that. lol.

Owen Eades

If anyone else has asked this, I apologize. Why didn’t they just block the number?

Owen Eades

My father was a funeral director and I remember one time a guy hit my sister. Now my dad was nice person, kind to all...but that day he grabbed him in the street and told him they will never find your body because I know where to plant you. Enough said.

Kathy Z

Kendra is one sick fuck. I can't even imagine my mom doing this to me. She is a predator, plain and simple. I feel so bad for the husband and daughter. Never let this person back in your life.

Kathy Z

Jimmie... I love you. Last 2 minutes of the show I almost pissed myself.

Cosmo's ma

We spoke this into existence! This woman is just a travesty of a human being. When she started hugging on her daughter in the kitchen after exposing her for everything she did. I’m surprised the cop didn’t just tase her in the face because I probably would’ve.

Chris Hickie

I feel that this lopsided face ass woman just wanted to live through her daughter. It’s clear she was at that age where she could not accept being in her 40s and mentally regressed to being a teen. I could tell from how her sister spoke about her ā€œbeing the life of the partyā€ and such summed it all up for me.

Nia

I’m a mom with a teenager and someone who was bullied. My parents just told me to suck it up. But Kendra is a whole other level of selfishness, manipulation and just plain grossness. If anyone had ever sent those kind of texts to my daughter I would go ballistic!!!!! And I can’t imagine sending texts like that to my own daughter. I think that she was molested and now she’s stuck at the age she was harmed. So I’m guessing it happened when she was a teenager. Plus she was living vicariously through her daughter. And I 100% believe that Khloe is a bully and her parents are assholes. šŸ˜‚ Khloe went on tik tok after the doc and tried to defend herself but I don’t think it worked well. In the end I do think it was Munchausen, she should have got WAY more time because of the graphic nature of those texts. I’m not a prude but I couldn’t send those kind of texts to anyone much less a teenager. There’s no way I would ever forgive my mother if she did this to me! I hope Lauryn gets the therapy she needs. But one thing about Kendra is she makes me feel like a superstar mom! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Tracy Poetz

She resented her daughter!

Tricia C

I agree with the Sick Bitch diagnosis. I was raped at 14. I can’t even imagine doing something so awful to my daughter. That is not the reason she did this. Also, there is nothing that would keep me from getting to someone that did this to my daughter. This woman makes me sick.

Melissa Donaldson-Zeeb

The mom wanted to fuck the boyfriend. Watch Hidden True Crimes take on this. A forensic psychologist explains ger real motivation

Cosmo's ma

This woman was worse than half the murderers you guys cover. I was SHOCKED by how grotesque those actions were

Cosmo's ma

On one occasion, Kendra reported Lo to authorities as the person harassing/stalking Owen.

BigTiffDog

I’m just going to create a thread rather than blow up the chat with all the info I have about Kendra cunt face and her sick bitch actions ā¬‡ļø

BigTiffDog

Kendra is dangerous; I hope Lauren is able to break free of her.

Lynne Stadler

When Kendra was on bond (which she violated multiple times) prior to sentencing, she was telling everyone that she was only getting 12 months probation. She never stops manipulating.

BigTiffDog

She wasn’t. I’ve seen the entire digital discovery package, Kendra acted entirely alone.

BigTiffDog

I think not enough was made of what she was also doing to Owen. What she did to her daughter was horrific and she is so effing lucky that she didn’t die by suicide. This would send a lot of people over the edge. That being said, I think she is also a child predator. She kept going to Owen’s sporting events after the kids broke up. She was harassing Chloe about Owen. She had a thing for him specifically. I think if it were a man doing this to a female child, charges would have been added.

Rose Logan-Surgeon

Here an unpaywalled link to the article by The Cut (New York Mag) which covers more of the Cyber Munchausen aspect. It’s interesting and on point because Kendra was not only doing this to be Lo’s savior, she was distracting from the gigantic financial mess she put her family in. Also, it was 2 house fires and the insurance sued her over one of them, she had an open contempt warrant on that case when she was arrested for this. https://archive.ph/2025.06.25-050949/https://www.thecut.com/article/kendra-licari-daughter-cyberbully-mommy-meanest-true-story.html

BigTiffDog

As someone who is close to this, A-FUCKING-MEN! She’s always been an awful, attention seeking cunt and now she gets to play victim too. Her ā€œpoor meā€ behavior since being released has been atrocious.

BigTiffDog

Real shit about social media. I’m only 25, so I was there for the hay day of Instagram and kik. I wish I wasn’t allowed unbridled internet access. Instead of finding any help for my issues, I found groups of other depressed teens where self harm was romanticized. Got taken advantage of by so many creepy adults. I remember being asked for boob pics by a 21 year old when I was 12. Then by that point, I was too afraid to even tell my parents what was happening.

Leighton

Some think the daughter was in on it for the attention.

Ginger Thomas

I love when Shawn looked at the cop & said "She can't stay here. If she does she (points to lauren) won't have parents." Kendra's excuse of being raped at 17 & she texted Lauren all this shit to protect her is outrageous.

Kari Bose

Me too. She’s a horrible person and I can’t even imagine what the hell is wrong with that brain.

Melissa

Like… Bitch, you are!

Ashley Valencia

The scene where the mom was chortling and put her hands on her face telling the interviewer ā€œyou guys will think I’m crazy!ā€ 🤪

Ashley Valencia

Anyone else have ā€œWAPā€ stuck in their head? ā€œMake me cream make me screamā€ 🤣🤣🤣

Megan Raze

Reassuring to hear that my initial reaction would have been the same as James. How that dad kept his composure when he found out at the house only he knows….

Manj Sangha

And honestly I had pretty much the same thoughts about Kendra and especially Khloe's parents!!!!

JJ (Jesslyn)

I agree with Jimmie. As a mother of a daughter, that woman is a pedophile. Normal adult women who don’t have sexual feelings towards children wouldn’t be able to even bring themselves to send those texts

Picard’s Mistress

She is absolutely a pedophile, if not because of her infatuation with Owen, then certainly because of the incredibly explicit messages she’s sending to CHILDREN

CJ

I could not believe this documentary.

JJ (Jesslyn)

What was up with all of the booze on the table in the background?

Monique Hoffman

Can recommend Rotten Mango's podcast/video about this case. A more in-depth of shit they don't show.

Sara Irene

Great episode!

Rebecca

Not for nothing guys. I have two 19yr old daughters. Yeah. I dont have alot of patience for the world when it comes to them. I spend so much time trying to protect them from the horrendous shit going on in the world. To find out that someone inside my home was the cause of all this. Yeah, ill see red and fucking blackout in a rage. To be blindsided. The daughter as well as the husband. Damn

Shadow Thomas

Absolutely lost it at ā€œ1-2-3-CREAMā€

Picard’s Mistress

Can't believe this was 90 minutes north of where I live 😳

Maize n Blue fan

I was so excited watching this knowing you guys would talk about it šŸ˜…šŸ™ŒšŸ«¶

Jordyn Fahey

True Crime meets Reality TV; everyone knows how to work the camera - even the perp.

Joe Fitzpatrick

Forget munchausen - she fancied the arse of the boy and got obsessed with him - thats the only reason to message his new girlfriend etc

Kizzy

If it were a man, he'd definitely be on SOR and get much more than 20 months

Ruby Schafer

I just looked at the picture on google of that moment... ... that kid had a literal, million emotions running through her head, and the quantum processing powers her brain is going through of denial, with logical and rational acceptance. Its... oof. Saying its alot, is an understatement

Rick Schmitz

Im gonna make the theory of... its not something that happened to her, its more something she wanted to have happen to her. Cause all of this was and still is romanticized in her head. Thats why she wont admit to some of it. I truly think she is just her own worst enemy and what she never had happen to or with her is what she projects on to, whilst living through her child. This is a flat out sociopath created by her own desires.

Rick Schmitz

This documentary was so well done. Less than 10 mins in I told my wife I thought it was the mother but then she shows up in the film and it’s like ā€œoh, well with how revolting this is there’s no way she would agree to be in this if she did itā€ lol.

Joe Threddle

This doco blew my mind. The obvious one - her fuckin mum wtf. The fact hubby didn't pop her one, and the daughter doesn't hate her. Crazy. I would go no contact with mum. Sick dick sick.

Mishka Wolfy

What does that mean?

Erica Teofilo

The woman's teeth out at all times got on my nerves.

Erica Teofilo

I think she was jealous of her daughter & was also craving attention. I think the cyber-Munchausen theory is pretty valid. AKA a sick bitch

Cam šŸ›ø

There’s a somewhat common theory of adult women who didn’t fully mature then become jealous of their daughters because they see them as competition for attention, have it better than they did, etc… like a weird twisted oedipus complex. The way some moms pass on their eating disorders or pick on their daughters style choices or habits in the name of ā€œhelpingā€ but they really are their daughter’s biggest bully… the entire time this doc just gave me a vibe of that but virtual. I wasn’t terribly surprised it was Kendra honestly. Also I do think she had a weird thing for the boyfriend, like she truly was living as a teenage girl bully in her head. How deep she went in letting her life blow up because this was more important for her surprised me though.

Devinne Willis

I don’t get why the cops don’t tell Lauren it’s her mom in a separate room or something.

Cayla Ross

When i watched it, I had trouble with the body cam reveal....I thought the daughter was too calm. I was concerned it was staged. James made a good point that it was likely shock. But she didnt even say "no you're wrong!" She didnt defend mom at all.

Matressa, Countess of Whorington

I agree she’s a pedophile and I feel like that should have been emphasized more. Also I wish I had my camera ready when my husband woke up at the same time James was screaming ā€œmake it cream!ā€ At the end. He was like-that sounds like a very aggressive pornā€¦šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Jennifer McIntosh

This documentary is so unbelievable, I am GRATEFUL for the jokes and the laughs. She's sickening. I put myself in the place of the interviewer....good for them for not punching her in the teeth from her bs answers. Now I want to know ALL OF HER PSYCHOLOGY.

Matressa, Countess of Whorington

Might be inappropriate but 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Damn that was funny.

julie brooks

BEST DAD'S EVER!

Jessika Gomez

Yay was waiting for this!

Natalie Auerbach

I thought the daughter and dad knew about it mostly because of his reaction on the police body cam. I figured he would’ve immediately pointed out the damage done to the kids….instead he talks about the fact that she lied about not working. I wonder if they didn’t show all the body cam footage.

Melissa

Free speech does not allow threats of suicide. It’s a true threat and not protected under the law. She should have been sued in civil court for the intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Carl

Anyone peep that thin blue line flag in officer flat-top's office?

Krish Prasad

Yes! Horse teeth and All!šŸ˜‚

Rebekah

Been looking forward to this all day!! Sorry to be that person but to highlight the assholity of Khloe’s parents I just wanna make a quick correction that at the end of the doc they act all smug talking about how Shawn and Lauryn* (the daughter, not Kendra the mom) are playing victim in all this Kendra made her daughter’s life a living hell and brought her husband’s reality crumbling to the ground. When Khloe’s parents implied the whole family was in on it I couldn’t help saying ā€œoh, FUCK youā€ despite watching alone and sharing thin walls with my neighbors. Such massive losers.

Riley

Three minutes in…you’re telling me this chick looks like Butthead? 😬

Nicole Ford Thomas

I truly think it was just the mom. She was off her rocker!

Rebekah

I can’t wait to listen to this. I’m not convinced that the whole family wasn’t in on this. Curious to see what you guys say! Edit: I’m wrong guys! šŸ˜‚. I get the angle of the doc plus the reason for the reactions of Lauren and Shawn. Great episode. Great comments. Haha. ā€œSick Bitchā€. 🤣

Melissa

FINALLY

Rebekah

Yaaaayy!

Rita Argentino

Can’t wait to hear your take!

Amber Wright

šŸ˜„

Chelsea Slaughter

Let’s go

Brando

Yes!

Lee Arnold


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