BONUS - SMALL TOWN MURDER - KAREN READ
Added 2025-04-13 01:33:46 +0000 UTCThis week, James and Jimmie discuss the Karen Read case/trial from Boston MA.
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I would so rather my camera roll be published, over my texts. EVERY. SUNGLE. DAY. Hope I’m never in that position 😂
rebecca Deardorff
2025-11-25 20:33:17 +0000 UTCI have made a point of avoiding this trial and anything about it because of info overload. figured I’d start here, now I got it lined up on the tv and glad I have Jimmy and James’ commentary to make it all more funny. Just saw a clip of the pink ladies. Here we go.
Hailey
2025-07-19 22:10:49 +0000 UTCI followed both trials, didn't watch her interviews, went into 1st trial thinking ' yeah right a conspiracy ' . I don't particularly like karen. Saying all that but looking at the CW evidence, they were reaching and there was not enough. Really shoddy investigation. Look at FBI investigation that was done by ARCA, and they didn't believe JOK was hit by a car. Proctor was a ahole. Reports not written till years later.
MaraTheNinja
2025-07-15 18:44:53 +0000 UTCI feel like this is too much like Steven Avery, I’m not sure she’s innocent but I do think something wasn’t right with the investigation, but she’s a free woman now….
Len Willits
2025-06-23 18:51:36 +0000 UTCListening to this a second time now after today’s verdict!
Sphynx
2025-06-19 01:35:32 +0000 UTCI had to read that news again. That’s wild.
Raul Sigala
2025-06-19 00:42:51 +0000 UTCJust found not guilty! How crazy!
Phiston Yurethra
2025-06-18 19:35:46 +0000 UTCSame!
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-11 00:58:41 +0000 UTCI don't think her frequent drinking helped her mental state, either. I agree with you: re: the "friends killed him" scenario. Why? What was the motive? If they did kill him and try to frame Karen, they picked a really bizarre way to do it.
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-11 00:58:09 +0000 UTCThe texts and voice mails had me cringing. Not normal functional behavior in a relationship. If she knew she didn't want kids, then she shouldn't have gotten into a relationship with someone who has custody of kids. When someone has custody of kids, the kids are a priority. Who was watching the kids until 1 am or 2 am when Karen got back to the house?
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-11 00:52:18 +0000 UTCIt seems to me like she is putting on theatrics. I am finding myself heckling her out loud.
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-10 21:58:26 +0000 UTCOh, and now I need to go find the videos of her talking so I can hear her accent. 😂 I still have a Boston accent, but it has faded and mixed with a Midwest accent, since I've been in the Midwest for 17 years. But the "Boston accent" varies depending on whether you are from the North Shore or the South Shore. (I'm from the North Shore, Canton is South Shore). Lol
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-10 17:46:19 +0000 UTCThank you for this! I grew up north of Boston, MA, so I was cracking up at the way you were describing people from Boston throughout the episode. 😂😂😂 I had only absent-mindedly been following this case. I have several Boston female friends who are of the opinion that she is being framed. (They're not part of the loony mob, though. They just talk about it online). This episode summed it all up for me so I now know what to look at for a deep dive. BTW, I absolutely CACKLED when you started talking about Turtle Boy. Being from Boston, I am familiar with him. He has written some articles I thought were hilarious, and others I vehemently disagreed with. If he is abusive to women, though, he sucks! My theory is that she was so wasted, she hit him by accident and either didn't realize she hit him, or she knew it and panicked. She was blackout drunk, so any memories she has are going to be fuzzy at best. I do not think it was murder, and I do not think it was a conspiracy to frame her.
Stacey Rebmann
2025-06-10 17:41:18 +0000 UTCIf my friend died at my residence, I'd want to move. And selling often requires renovations
Lindsay T.
2025-06-09 01:33:31 +0000 UTCTheres less evidence for this, than her actually hitting him
Lindsay T.
2025-06-09 01:29:13 +0000 UTCI would vote guilty for vehicular manslaughter but not 2nd degree murder. Just not enough evidence for the greater charge
Lindsay T.
2025-06-09 01:28:08 +0000 UTCI’ve always felt the way that James described of her hitting it hard in anger, him being bent down for whatever reason and hit him. Probably an accident but she was so drunk and angry she probably didn’t even notice. I think I feel the worst (other than the victim) for that poor dog after 7 years being separated from its family. If no one ever put in the effort to correct its behavior it didn’t know! This just sucks all the way around..
Carey Turner
2025-05-30 23:07:01 +0000 UTCI forgot to mention... The dog was in the family for 7 years. It's not like they suddenly realized the dog was unsafe. They knew about it for 7 LONG years. Why then did the dog suddenly disappear? What made them say, "I know that John died in our yard and everything, and we didn't seem to care, so let's "rehome" the dog.. I don't know... like NOW!" Why wait 7 years and then pick that time to get rid of her? Like Columbo says, "These are the things that bother me."
magnoliasouth
2025-05-22 19:30:16 +0000 UTCFirst off, I do believe something is off with the investigation. Probably the thing that bothers me most is that Brian Albert had lots of police, ambulances (plural), firetrucks, CSI (I think?), and even a ladder fire truck in his yard and NOT ONCE did he come out to see what was going on. He then sold the house that had been in his family for generations, he got rid of the aggressive dog, and even retired from BPD in 2023, not even a year after John''s death. He then changed his story a few times about his cell phone "butt dial" to his brother and BOTH phones mysteriously went missing! There is definitely something off. Secondly, I think the Read Cult is the most childish, sexist thing I've ever heard of. How is their behavior going to help the minds of a jury? They're not supposed to know anything at all about her, nor her case. I don't understand why there wasn't a request for change of venue on the prosecutions part, but whatever. This cult is only going to make matters worse. America needs to grow the fuck up! Stop politicizing everything!
magnoliasouth
2025-05-22 18:58:43 +0000 UTCGiven that he said "a fuck scene" it seems pretty obvious to me. 🫤 It's a little before 30:14.
magnoliasouth
2025-05-22 18:42:06 +0000 UTCDid he just reference, the wire as a way how police investigation goes? Does he know that’s a tv show?
Ril Mann
2025-05-22 09:53:24 +0000 UTCCan I also say - Karen Read gives me the creeps the way she smiles thru all her interviews in the documentary.
Jordynne Rios
2025-05-22 05:39:30 +0000 UTCI’m watching the documentary on hbo and I need to know who the fuck are these supporters and how do they have time to stand around and protest and picket? Like… sure if it was me on trial I guess I’d hope I would have supporters but don’t these people work? Have other stuff going on in their lives? I don’t get it. I don’t get becoming completely absorbed in a court case to the point you’re gonna rally over a freeway pass all day with signs when it doesn’t have anything to do with you. Guess I’m in the mind my business camp on this
Jordynne Rios
2025-05-22 05:35:29 +0000 UTCOk ok ok, first off I live in mass now. And holy shit. One of my jobs I work at a gas station, and ohhhh boy. There is a group of free Karen club members. Every morning they talk the craziest stuff. So me being what some call an “asshole” I play this jem. Not super loud just loud enough to hear and ohhhhh fantastic. Made my morning. And my two cents she did that shit drunk, felt bad the next day and here we are.
Shayne Bartlett
2025-05-19 11:16:15 +0000 UTCI have been hit by a car before. While crossing at a crosswalk, the guy never looked right, took an illegal right on red, and hit me. He was not going very fast at all, he stepped on the gas, and then hit me. I spun and went down on the hood of his pick up truck. I was not hit at 24 mph. And I was messed up. I did not have to go to the hospital at that time, but I ended up in a lot of pain and in physical therapy, and I think it caused my fibromyalgia to just rear it’s head, and I have not been the same since. Just think about how fast you’re going when you are trying to keep under the speed limit in a 25 mph zone. Cars are really dangerous things. Her SUV probably weighs 6000 pounds, at least. It just makes the most sense, the Murphy’s Law of alcoholics, she hit him in an alcoholic rage, sobered up some, and realized what she had done. The reason she’s so hysterical, is that she’s still somewhat drunk. And she knows what she did.
Eldergoth
2025-05-17 00:10:05 +0000 UTCI have to think that the defense is just burning a whole other fire for the distraction of it, because if this was a man who was as out of control as Karen Read has been countless times that we’ve been able to hear and see, and we don’t even know her, if it was a man who sped up backwards 65 feet at 24 mph, and his girlfriend or wife was found later, I think it would be easier to know this for what it is. We would never have gotten here if she wasn’t pretty . Pretty is as pretty does, though, and she is godawful.
Eldergoth
2025-05-17 00:01:32 +0000 UTCThere really is something wrong with her.
Eldergoth
2025-05-16 23:58:23 +0000 UTCI think everybody here would really like The Prosecutors- Legal Brief reporting on this trial. At the end of today’s episode, one of them made the point that really this is just a hit-and-run. I would go even farther than that, this is domestic violence. Karen Read has the total personality of a domestic abuser, she has a very hard time controlling her emotions. To the point that she’s caused embarrassing scenes, even embarrassing to me, and I can handle some scenes. And then she sits there, just taking up too much space. What in the world is she even thinking? Underneath it all, she absolutely knows. I am an alcoholic, recovering, and I know alcoholic reasoning, thinking, and out of control behavior. It’s what I’m looking at with her . This death is due to domestic violence.
Eldergoth
2025-05-16 23:57:33 +0000 UTCYou can't watch the MAX special and conclude that anything else happened other than she was wasted, slammed into him, and is far too narcissistic to ever take responsibility for her actions, ever. Woe is me asshole.
Morgan Willenbring
2025-05-12 22:15:28 +0000 UTCThe comments are further proof; we are not okay.
Morgan Willenbring
2025-05-12 20:32:03 +0000 UTCThere are do many holes in the DAs story plus blue line bs. This one I fiss agree with you
nickolas mccombe
2025-05-11 23:50:10 +0000 UTCPeople don’t know/forget that where he is found is fairly far from the front of the house. At the end of the yard widthwise, and the very front of the yard, which is a big yard. So it’s not like he was laying 20 feet from the front door.
Eldergoth
2025-05-10 20:48:51 +0000 UTCShe may have slept a little, sobered up a bit, and she knew what she had done, and what a potential disaster it was. Initially there is so much consciousness of guilt.
Eldergoth
2025-05-10 20:39:27 +0000 UTCOh, and as an alcoholic, I would say that the alcoholic Murphy’s Law, is that she hit her boyfriend while backing up. This is what puts me into the guilty camp. I don’t know if it was accidental or in the moment very on purpose, but I also think she has a “wicked” bad temper, and their relationship was remarkably toxic.
Eldergoth
2025-05-10 20:38:04 +0000 UTCJimmy, I have to tell you this story. I am a Rammstein fanatic, I live in Virginia, but I went to see them in Boston last time they were there. After the show I was talking to one of the security people, a woman, and she said, “Theeyahs supposed to be a kneeyaftah paahtty.” I was like, “What?” “A kneeyaftah paahtty.” At which point, even though I’m so polite, I still had no idea what the hell she was saying, and had to ask two more times. Evidently, it was an after party. Kneeyaftah Pahtty. And my dad’s from Boston! I still couldn’t understand what the fuck she was saying.
Eldergoth
2025-05-10 20:32:43 +0000 UTCAs someone who grew up in a small town in the NE I 100% believe she was framed. Drunk fight after dog bite. John storms out, passes out in snow. But I did like hearing why JP felt some of the evidence went against this. Interesting point of view.
Kathleen Potts
2025-05-09 11:58:51 +0000 UTCI am addicted to Yimmy & YAMES, please send halp
Abbie Bateman
2025-05-05 05:47:59 +0000 UTCNo one should be that smug in a MURDER trial. Also is everyone who is defending her forgetting that she was DRUNK DRIVING!!! Her testimony means nothing, I am not sorry.
midge_mayhem
2025-05-04 20:23:20 +0000 UTCI know its a bonus, but a lot was left out. I dont think she is innocent, but I'd vote not guilty. The reasonable doubt standard isnt met.
Cosmo's ma
2025-05-04 15:06:21 +0000 UTCI’m also leaning towards her not being guilty, but you guys made see another point of view. That’s because, after so many years of listening, I truly respect your opinions. With love!
Maria Cziao
2025-05-02 03:02:29 +0000 UTCShe’s been framed, end of story
Ellen O’Hara
2025-05-01 18:58:32 +0000 UTCGood episode
IceLander2733
2025-04-30 20:46:34 +0000 UTCI'm upset, I lived in Fall River in the 60's and now I speak perfectly. 😀😀😀
Yankee Doodle
2025-04-29 17:50:54 +0000 UTCBecause I’m lazy and don’t want to search… where is the documentary?! Thank you!
Rowdy Hurst
2025-04-29 12:02:13 +0000 UTCHow do those injuries indicate that he was hit by a car? No injuries below the neck except scratches on his arm? The FBI disagrees with you
Garbagefarts
2025-04-29 04:42:22 +0000 UTCWait- Jimmie knew how to pronounce hargitay?
susan morrongiello-koenick
2025-04-29 01:40:31 +0000 UTCLow intelligence people think she's innocent. Bunch of cunts in this comment section this episode.... stfu and go drink some Jim Jones Sharkleberry special
Kyle Bearce
2025-04-28 00:51:49 +0000 UTCHow many came back looking for the comments from the ppl saying shes innocent cult? Lol
Rick Schmitz
2025-04-27 23:12:46 +0000 UTCWhy pick a side at all? This episode did what I expected, entertained me. Guilty or Not Guilty? Why pick a side? First thing I ask myself for these types of things; How does this affect me? It doesn't.
Jack Brittain
2025-04-27 22:02:09 +0000 UTCThe injuries from John O’Keefe are not consistent with being hit by a car. End of story.
Garbagefarts
2025-04-25 19:17:14 +0000 UTCOnce Proctor decided on Karen, that’s as far as the investigation went. The rest of it was making sure the narrative fit. Just like the OJ cop, the fruit of the poisonous tree should not be trusted. Plus he had a huge conflict of interest
Eddie Winemiller
2025-04-25 02:53:50 +0000 UTCNeed a part two
Mana
2025-04-25 00:27:12 +0000 UTCI made sure to watch the documentary before listening cause I can’t wait to hear what y’all think
Rebecca Bellflower
2025-04-24 03:20:59 +0000 UTCShe could have hit the gas in reverse and could have spun her tires to get up to that speed
Kevin Lassen
2025-04-23 15:55:26 +0000 UTCYes! Sarah’s instagram stories on the topic are hysterical
morgan leslie
2025-04-22 13:54:34 +0000 UTCNo way. Home owner is a dirt bag cop known for fighting
Garrett Nobes
2025-04-22 02:26:37 +0000 UTCYou guys should bring Sarah in for the Lori Vallow 😂😂
Kathia Vizcarrondo
2025-04-21 17:59:57 +0000 UTCDog bites: we recently lost our German Shepard. They’re “Shepards”. My son in law is in law enforcement and if our dog saw an LEO or police car he’d go happy crazy. My point? If there are dog bites on the man there’s a good chance the dog attempted to drag him to safety. My opinion-she’s glad I can’t be on the jury. She was blackout drunk, driving and she left him in the snow and he froze to death. She’s guilty of manslaughter. Her attitude and lack of responsibility makes her a terrible human being. She takes no responsibility for anything in her life. Then again who has children and dates a woman that’s admitted she’s “finally” trying to do right by the kids? We used to have a strip bar by our house called “Easy Pieces” and it always made me laugh; there’s no such thing as an easy piece. It cost this guy his life.
Elizabeth A Calise
2025-04-21 01:40:10 +0000 UTCMy thoughts are all over the place. Why would his friends and fellow officers kill him? I don't understand the "mob" mentality of supporters. If you're harassing witnesses and booing the dead person's family, you're a scumbag. I think she was drunk; I think that she was mentally in a bad place because of their arguing; I think her documentary on MAX is half truth, half bull shit; I think it's possible that in her state of mind, in a moment of blind rage, she hit him but not with the intention of killing him. And I think that the media attention on this case has blown it all out of proportion and blinded people to the truth, whatever it is.
Michelle Miller
2025-04-20 14:52:47 +0000 UTC'The body' wasn't found thirty feet from the driveway, though. He wasn't dead yet when he was found. Head wounds like he suffered aren't always instantly fatal and don't always cause complete unconsciousness, but they do cause intense disorientation while the brain is being damaged by internal bleeding. It's entirely possible for him to have gotten clocked by the taillight and moved by his own power across the property before collapsing.
M Sims
2025-04-19 16:00:00 +0000 UTCReasonable doubt = Not Guilty.
Jane Blackbird
2025-04-18 18:54:10 +0000 UTCSee you Turkeys at the 420 Show!!!:);)
Zachary Leatherwood
2025-04-18 11:42:22 +0000 UTCThey recap the incident. You can still listen.
Reese H
2025-04-17 23:51:56 +0000 UTCThis is a comedy podcast
Laurie Katherine
2025-04-17 22:18:41 +0000 UTCLet’s not forget…they got rid of the dog, remodeled the basement and not one single search of the inside of that house was ever done
Kelly Tappe
2025-04-17 17:21:02 +0000 UTCJimmie's "WHHHAAAATTTTTT" kills me every time 🤣🤣🤣
Christy Brady
2025-04-16 17:03:01 +0000 UTCThere’s lots of duff info in this episode. Perhaps focus on accuracy and detail rather than quantity of output.
Mouli Mitchell
2025-04-16 14:02:30 +0000 UTCNo Crime In Sports episode this week? Thought we’re finishing Evel…
Jonathan Bennett
2025-04-16 12:14:28 +0000 UTCYou definitely need to watch the second trial and do a part 2. You mentioned a lot of early police reports (3-pt turn theory) that didn’t even make it to trial. They also changed the time proctor picked up the car from 5:47 to 4:12 pm (to suggest that they couldn’t have planted tail light). They finally corrected it after months of defending the time was different because of daylight savings time. They blamed it on “scrivener’s error” lol Please watch trial 2 and do a part 2. Also the defense attorneys showed evidence that the car may have been in police custody during the time the telematics system showed reversing in 24 mph. This is on video of them testing the alerts and brakes system that they were working. So wouldn’t that mean there should be TWO instances of reversing at 24 mph?
Garbagefarts
2025-04-16 11:47:17 +0000 UTCI dated a woman named Karen Reid. She would make this one look like an amateur.
Donald Simmons
2025-04-16 11:21:23 +0000 UTCI'm from Boston so this story is huge here. I don't know what to believe but I know she sure is a cocky full of herself one.
Karen Maguire
2025-04-15 17:59:50 +0000 UTCRegarding the "Fall River" accent as someone who has grown up two towns over from Fall River it is distinct from the stereotypical Boston accent. A few generations ago when the mill industry was booming in the South Coast (not the South Shore as they are about 50 miles apart) a lot of those workers moved from NYC to Fall River in particular. The result is people of Karen's age range and a little older/younger give or take a decade or two, have an accent that sounds like Boston and NYC had a inarticulate child together. It actually leans more in the NYC direction than Boston.
Travis Arruda
2025-04-15 16:04:09 +0000 UTCWatch “ How to Fix a Drug Scandal” documentary on Netflix and tell me the MA State Police aren’t capable of this kind of thing. I grew up in MA, and even our local police were shady. At one point when I was a kid, 5 or 6 of our local cops were arrested for putting on scuba gear and stealing lobsters from commercial traps. None were fired.
Matthew Larson
2025-04-15 12:06:57 +0000 UTCI couldn't enjoy this unfortunately. Had no idea what this kook's back story is.
spaceman_spliff
2025-04-15 02:07:50 +0000 UTCThis is to suggest that they have influenced the medical examiner ruling in their favor before
Garbagefarts
2025-04-15 01:38:55 +0000 UTCSeriously. Her wheels could’ve spun out. Also the defense tried showing that it was actually in the custody of police when that key cycle occurred.
Garbagefarts
2025-04-15 01:30:25 +0000 UTCThe crime scene was left unattended for almost 8 hours! Then they find way more evidence. Reasonable doubt all over this case. She cannot be convicted regardless of level of guilt. The Google search is enough reasonable doubt in any other case.
Garbagefarts
2025-04-15 01:28:21 +0000 UTCThe accident reconstructionist witnesses hired by the FBI determined that John O’Keefe was not hit by a car because how could that possibly happen with no broken bones or bruising below his neck?
Garbagefarts
2025-04-15 01:26:03 +0000 UTCSeriously. How does a tail light shatter into 47 pieces and doesn’t cause a single bruise or broken bone? He had skull fractures but what is the prosecutions theory of the case?? He got hit in the back of the head with a tail light??
Garbagefarts
2025-04-15 01:24:14 +0000 UTCOf course they did, didn’t fit the narrative and they couldn’t as joyfully say cunt over and over to show their absolute disdain for women who remind them of their ex wives. This episode was so awkward with all the fan boying over alcoholic boston cops, really off brand for them, because if these issue showed up in a regular episode, they would have gleefully pointed out (and rightfully so) the implausibility of the police actions.
The Plocinski Family
2025-04-14 23:28:57 +0000 UTCGods honest truth. He’s such an absolute scum bag.
Maggie79
2025-04-14 22:11:04 +0000 UTCThis case is local to me. On the subject of Turtleboy -he was on his blog back as early as 2023 soliciting for stories about the McCabe’s and the Alberts. Let me say this again. He was offering MONEY for negative stories about these people. Including the kids. And if you’re really interested, do a deep dive. Before his blog, he was a school teacher, and he was fired from his teaching job (allegedly) for having an inappropriate relationship with a female teenage student. He was arrested at a Bills game a few years back for sexually harassing a woman, but he got out of that one. He’s an absolute known scum bag, and he was hired by the defense to taint the jury pool pretrial. He did a damn good job of that.
Maggie79
2025-04-14 22:05:39 +0000 UTCI just can’t fathom that man being hit by a big ass SUV and having not so much as a bruise on his body, only scratches on one arm. Even IF she did it, I think the cops screwed up the investigation too much to convict her.
Jessica Lussier
2025-04-14 21:18:37 +0000 UTCJames's Boston accent is killing me!
Nic Strickland
2025-04-14 20:16:48 +0000 UTCJames and Jimmy are spot on about the conspiracy aspect and the social media mob. We are in trouble. That said, based on the documentary, I don’t think I could vote to convict. If the medical examiner can’t determine that it was a homicide I could reasonably deduce it could have been an accident. Also based on the testimony of the defense and prosecution witnesses I would have to call it a wash. Everyone involved in the incident that night was shitfaced drunk. For ANY of them to swear on penalty of perjury that they are telling the truth about what happened that night is a gigantic stretch at best. The investigating officer who called her a “cunt” and “retarded” is obviously biased. I think that she probably did hit her boyfriend and kill him. I just can’t say whether it was intentional murder or a tragic accident, I’m just sayin.
Joe Gates
2025-04-14 19:42:34 +0000 UTCalso, why can't they still check on the dog? Isn't there any record of where it was re-homed?
Melanie Chavez
2025-04-14 19:16:35 +0000 UTCInteresting take....After watching the docuseries, I don't think she's guilty. It may be possible she hit him without knowing it - or she forgot about it in her black-out stage - and somewhere in her subconscious she knew exactly where to find his body. However, the investigation was horrible and a lot of deleting texts and shady behavior. If I were on the jury, I would not be able to convict.
Melanie Chavez
2025-04-14 19:16:00 +0000 UTCWhen I first started watching the doc on MAX, I thought she was guilty asf. The more info came out and the more the trooper testified, she looked less guilty. I really think she was set up. Especially the way the cops at the house were moving and the internet search 👀
DK
2025-04-14 16:44:29 +0000 UTCWe moved to Norfolk County, MA two years ago. Honestly, I’m pissed they are retrying her at taxpayers expense. They fucked up the investigation so hard there’s no way to know what really happened. I did ask a lifelong Canton resident that’s around the same age as the parties involved in this case. They said that the Albert family is known for being bullies and they are not surprised there’s no one that will speak out against them, if they were involved. I don’t want to get sued so I will say take that second hand information with a grain of salt.
Michele Williams
2025-04-14 16:31:03 +0000 UTCJ&J I so appreciate you covering true crime in real time. Several points that gave me much doubt: 1) Wasn't the body found over 30 feet away from the driveway by a tree on the property line of the adjacent neighbor? If yes that tells me Karen, a very unsympathetic defendant, that she couldn't have hit him with the car. 2) I am more likely to think the weird "bite" marks and how many of them there were came from the Cop's dog who was conveniently re-homed before the dog's teeth could be examined. - also with the snow wouldn't most foxes be in their dens? 3) The woman's search for how long to die in cold is suspicious because who and why were there so many calls between the party goers around the time the Boyfriend went missing? Do people delete texts so quickly? I tend not to believe that she texted at 6am or so when Karen was with her. All cops are known to stick together and it seems this holds even truer for Boston Cops. If the body was indeed 30 ft + from the driveway I tend to believe our victim went into the house and was attacked by the dog and for whatever reason he was thrown out in the snow. The one lady who seems to have texted not long after he may have been tossed out was worried and searched how long to die in cold. Also, why didn't the one cop who was usually the first on a crime scene not able to come outside his front door to check on his good friend? I loved your Small Town Murder take on this confusing case. Thanks
Victoria Gray Bross
2025-04-14 15:59:41 +0000 UTCIn the snow she could have been spinning tires to get moving in reverse. To many variables in that for me. Definitely a complicated case.
Jenny Murphy
2025-04-14 15:47:32 +0000 UTCI usually don't comment but I think this case is one where you take a cursory glance and she's guilty. The more you delve in, the more holes in the police work appear and the cops and their wives all look more suspicious. Multiple people deleted calls that connected to each other at times they claimed to be asleep, smashing cell phones on army bases ..... to convict her you have to believe the cops and their families 1,000% and also believe all their tech was faulty .... but any tech that is more "against" Karen should be believed. Regardless of her accidently hitting him or the cops getting in a fight or whatever else you believe .... the evidence isn't there to convict her.
Bethany Tillema
2025-04-14 14:55:26 +0000 UTCThis is how I think of it. She accidentally hit him. But it turned into a clown show with the shitty police work (and shitty cops) plus the weird conspiracy theories and her involvement with known assholes (hence conspiracy theories). I truly believe she did hit him and he died out there as a result.
Melissa
2025-04-14 13:44:25 +0000 UTCYou also skipped over the interviews that were held in someone’s house with all the people involved together and not a standard police interrogation/interview
Kelly Tappe
2025-04-14 11:44:08 +0000 UTCI know we can’t have people on here shitting on our boys and saying “Jimmy” (it’s JIMMIE!). They said there’s a lot of shady stuff and that they will be doing another episode on it with additional information from the upcoming trial.
Abby
2025-04-14 06:48:42 +0000 UTCWhy did they get rid of the dog if it wasn't the dog that bit him?
Scarlet Matthews
2025-04-14 06:42:59 +0000 UTCAbsolutely 💯
Abby
2025-04-14 06:36:19 +0000 UTCWE HAD A GOOD DAY!!!!!
Abby
2025-04-14 06:35:42 +0000 UTCI almost drove off the road when Jimmie was talking about the “cat Fisher”….psychotic weasels🤣🤣🤣
Jimmy P
2025-04-14 06:16:45 +0000 UTCI can get to she caused a death, I can’t get to it being 100% intentional. And I can get to the cops & wives doing what they can to cover their ass, but I can’t get to a full on conspiracy.
Cam 🛸
2025-04-14 04:21:02 +0000 UTCAlso you forgot that in the text messages with Proctor another trooper said it was a “rookie move” that he didn’t get the Medical Examiner to classify this as a homicide
Garbagefarts
2025-04-14 01:41:56 +0000 UTCYou’ve got some stuff wrong here, but happy you’re doing the case! Keep researching and do a part 2!
Garbagefarts
2025-04-14 01:17:02 +0000 UTCI’d pay big money to hear you two discuss regularly throughout the second trial. I think you’ll be shocked when you learn some of the major pieces to this puzzle.
Adele Lemenager
2025-04-14 00:49:39 +0000 UTC#Booneing
Kari Kelly
2025-04-14 00:43:42 +0000 UTCI’m from Massachusetts, don’t really have a side in this whole thing, but I’m just referencing the 23 miles an hour, in reverse, could be as simple as slipping in all the snow we had that day/night. This is a crazy one for sure.
Matt Bjork
2025-04-14 00:25:59 +0000 UTCInteresting episode! I'm in MA but I haven't been following it too closely. I don't think she's innocent. I do have a neighbor who has a "Free Karen Read" sign outside their house though...
Jenna Zanti
2025-04-13 22:25:17 +0000 UTCWe need a "We were having a good day" shirt ASAP 😂
Ray Bullock
2025-04-13 22:24:33 +0000 UTCThis relationship was a hot mess. He was using her as a babysitter. She wanted more. Not sure why she bothered staying with him though. She seemed to have her shit together educated, good job, nice house. She is attractive, could have anyone, no ties with him. Just walk away people.
Brenda
2025-04-13 22:21:03 +0000 UTCNevermind that the judge in the case is completely incompetent. She failed to poll/ask the jury if they did reach a verdict on any of the charges…and of course, they had, including murder. The last couple of less culpable charges are where they were hung.
Miranda
2025-04-13 22:17:23 +0000 UTCNow James and Jimmy are wildlife biologists.
Laurie Bobskill
2025-04-13 22:06:41 +0000 UTCFriggin turtle boy. Lol. From Massachusetts and thankfully do not have a fall river accent. It is awful
Cheryl Laprade
2025-04-13 21:42:54 +0000 UTCTurtle boy is the biggest fucking loser in New England not named Dave Portnoy
Christopher Camposeo
2025-04-13 21:27:41 +0000 UTCGuilty.
Jonathan Bennett
2025-04-13 20:55:28 +0000 UTCGreat as always. Since I live in New England this has been big in the news the last several years and it's great to hear their take on it which is pretty much what I thought as well. She probably did it when she was drunk and doesn't remember. The TV show they have on Max is so crazy, It follows her first trial and all the ridiculousness of it.
Jessica O'Dowd
2025-04-13 20:32:56 +0000 UTCI am absolutely not at all surprised these scum bags have been able to pull off this conspiracy, yes I said it, Conspiracy. Most people inherently think that cops are above evidence or witness tampering. Most people also roll their eyes at the mere mention of any type of conspiracy. Let's just hope that the next jury gets it right. Thank you for, in your haste and wild ego, charging her with premeditated first degree murder. Idiots.
Jodie Collett
2025-04-13 20:27:20 +0000 UTCalso - i am pretty sure no animals are out nibbling bodies within a few hours in that area. that’s a major reach.
james
2025-04-13 20:23:04 +0000 UTCi think the guys misrepresented the “dumping dead body in front yard” aspect. yes of course that would be implausible, the defense isn’t saying that’s what happened. it’s unfortunate that poor behavior and malfeasance all around means this will probably never be completely resolved. extremely fun case to go back and forth on though!
james
2025-04-13 20:21:58 +0000 UTCI think the dog did what any dog would do, it's owner was in a scuffle and it jumped in.y dog does that to me if I'm tickling my daughter. Chloe was a failed K9 known for biting people. Brian Albert has numerous complaints against him from other cops saying he sucker punched them. Higgins was trying to fight John at waterfall bar. The inverted video was presented on purpose by the prosecution
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 19:15:37 +0000 UTCThe glass was not from the bar. They didn't even go to waterfall to get any glasses. They went to CF McCarthy's
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 19:13:13 +0000 UTCLike most things in life most people are one extreme or the other with this case. I believe I’m more in the middle, I believe she’s guilty, has been over charged, acknowledged the discrepancies, believed she’s guilty but don’t believe at this point evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt. But I’m left confused about how ALL these people are involved and have kept relatively the same story and why they have the need to frame her? If they beat him up and tossed him in the yard why couldn’t the story just be he was drunk, slipped and fell? Why the NEED to frame her? If they were going to cover it up, why not just say he slipped and fell? Seems the injuries could be argued as such. In the documentary Karen admits pulling a piece of glass from his face how does that make sense? The “friends” beat him up as soon as he walked in the house with the glass and a piece of the glass got stuck in his skin? No defensive wounds? It’s fair to say there are lots of discrepancies, unprofessionalism, and lack of morals from all involved.
KellyInKentucky
2025-04-13 19:08:27 +0000 UTC"Full pieces of lettuce" 🤣🤣☠️☠️🤣🤣
Kris Maslonka
2025-04-13 19:06:59 +0000 UTCI lived in Boston from 01-23 and Hung out on the s shore a lot. I didn't know these ppl but a lot like them. I know what you mean,ppl are so irresponsible!
Candice Fitzpatrick
2025-04-13 19:01:19 +0000 UTCThe amount of drunk driving in the Boston area is so fucked. ALL OF THESE TOWNS HAVE UBER! Lyft! 🤦🏻♀️
Jordyn Fahey
2025-04-13 18:42:15 +0000 UTCI enjoyed hearing James’ and Jimmie’s take on this case. It’s wild and polarizing and I think they presented the background and facts fairly.
Maria CC
2025-04-13 18:29:37 +0000 UTCEvery time 'we were having a GOOD DAY' comes back, I lose my shit giggling. Thank you Jimmie!! I don't know what happened that night, but there's enough shady shit surrounding the party and investigation, that I wouldn't be able to convict on anything. It reminds me of James saying once, that if he was on OJ's jury, and heard Furman take the fifth about planting evidence, he would have acquitted too. There has to be a standard. I think Karen's a Karen, but I lean hard toward letting her the fuck go.
Jenna Augustine Atwater
2025-04-13 18:12:20 +0000 UTCThis one was hard to listen to. Definitely missed the mark. There is plenty of reasonable doubt in this case. You can’t ignore the misinformation, evidence tampering, and misogyny. Plus, cops and their spouses have kept conspiracies for decades. See every lynching in the south.
Makea King
2025-04-13 18:09:44 +0000 UTCAnd the ones that missed 30,000 texts between Sandra and her murderer, were the ones who did all the phone work in Read trial. Shady blue line bullshit
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 17:56:17 +0000 UTCBecause it's a wild case. I went in thinking guilty, watched the whole first trial and changed my mind. I never watched one turtle boy video or read his blog or any of his shit. He was not struck by a car. Scientifically proven to not be hit by a car. Tailight proven to not have been broken by a glass or his arm. ARCCA testimony is all you need to see to know she didn't do it. It only takes a few to make the conspiracy work. Higgins jumped him in the basement, he either fell from being struck, or was hit in the back of the head. They freaked, mines him outside and when she said, "did I hit him" that's all they needed. John did have busted knuckles, vomit in his underwear and blood all down the front of him, like he was struck in the face. Cuts don't come from a tailight, again scientifically proven by an independent agency hired by the federal government, proved that. "Hos long" Google happened, as shown by three different experts.
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 17:54:10 +0000 UTCThanks for the fairest assessment of this shite-show of a case. It seems that we'll never truly know because of the botched investigation and unreliability of the police. Commonwealth over-charged. Defense is over-reaching. It was probably a weather and alcohol-fueled accident. The judge isn't all that great either. 1st jury acquitted her of 2 of the more serious charges.
Stephanie Mertz
2025-04-13 17:33:27 +0000 UTCI need to know Damon Stephens.... Why are you so "invested"? 🐢🐢🐢 And i think you all are bat shit crazy if you believe this "conspiracy" will stand up with this many people involved.. And that is the sole reason I don't believe John was killed in the house.. Idk whether she did it intentionally necessarily but I believe she hit John. She was drunk out of her mind driving and whether she did it intentionally or not, but she should, at the very least, be charged with vehicular homicide and DUI, or whatever the state allows.
Däna Virtuoso
2025-04-13 17:31:10 +0000 UTCHere for the comments
Däna Virtuoso
2025-04-13 16:54:56 +0000 UTCSame.
Marcie Trippi-Whalen
2025-04-13 16:05:51 +0000 UTCBefore the first trial while the Federal investigation was ongoing, the feds gave both the prosecution and defense the Fed report that AARCA concluded that physics prove that officer John O'Keefe was NOT hit by a car and therefore Karen Read did NOT hit him with her car.
Marcie Trippi-Whalen
2025-04-13 15:49:38 +0000 UTCWasn’t there something about her tail light being cracked when her car was impounded but not broken in pieces? Then later it was shown as shattered & pieces found at the scene?
PamKay
2025-04-13 15:24:43 +0000 UTCI'm only two minutes in and not feeling great about this. If anyone has followed the first trial, there is literally no way to get past reasonable doubt and find her guilty.
Marcie Trippi-Whalen
2025-04-13 15:08:58 +0000 UTCI completely agree! I’ve always thought this.
Rebekah Norwood
2025-04-13 15:00:49 +0000 UTCWhy isn’t this a matter of reasonable doubt? If so, it would be not guilty due to the actions of law enforcement, like OJ. Why does the defense need to provide an alternative possibility? I can’t find the answer to this question anywhere…
PamKay
2025-04-13 14:54:00 +0000 UTCGrimm did a two parter on this and after all the details, I don't think she did it. I think they knew she'd be the perfect person to frame && I can't say I'd disagree.
Jo Alysse
2025-04-13 14:34:23 +0000 UTCI don’t know about you guys but I need a “We were having a good day … STM” shirt!
Amy George
2025-04-13 14:24:45 +0000 UTCI don't believe she did it. I honestly think she is being persecuted for being a smug bitch.
Jamie Hernandez
2025-04-13 14:13:42 +0000 UTCI just saw her new documentary and she acts like Casey Anthony and Sherry Peppini
Maito King
2025-04-13 13:53:16 +0000 UTCThere was DNA from 2 other males found on him.. this was literally established at trial
Garrett Nobes
2025-04-13 13:40:17 +0000 UTCIf you want more info on this case you should watch Emily D Baker cover this case on YouTube. All her info is in court documents or in court itself. She is funny, she cusses, & she is educational. She covered the whole first trial, all the pre trial motions for this upcoming trial, & She will be live streaming the 2nd trial. She does do commentary during trial. If you don't like commentary, don't watch her but you can get updates on the case on her YT channel Rmily D Baker Quick Bits. Basically, this investigation was so botched that we will probably never know what really happened. And a lot of the witnesses done some shady ass shit. The state turned over more video evidence of the Sally port at the pd station in Jan 2025. This year. Why do they have more video evidence that was NOT turned over BEFORE the 1st trial?! Also, they collected evidence in red solo cups that they got from another cop's house in the same neighborhood.
Kari Bose
2025-04-13 13:29:04 +0000 UTCOh man, I feel like you guys really missed the mark on this one… big time. You didn’t even have correct facts. Where did you get your info from here?? I normally 100% agree with you guys. I live in Southeast MA and my family owned a restaurant in Canton where this happened until Dec ‘24. The town is a very incestuous environment as far as people knowing one another or being actually related. The CPD is a JOKE! Inept is an understatement… I do not think she did it. I will say, regardless whether she did or not- she shouldn’t be convicted due to the obvious bias and misconduct that happened. The police did a HORRENDOUS job. The MSP botched this beyond repair. I watched the entire 1st trial, I’ve seen every interview and I still think she’s innocent. None of the evidence they have on her even makes sense. All ppl keep saying is she was drunk… and so was everyone else, what’s the point. Too much doubt to convict IMO. Injuries do not match a car hitting him, everyone acted shady af besides Karen…but I digress
Lindsey LaCara
2025-04-13 13:01:48 +0000 UTCI haven't watched any trials or documentaries on this. I get all of my information from James & Jimmie. Alcohol seems to be the guilty party here. Based on the texts she was sending, it seems she was a woman desperately trying to old on to something she should've been walking away from. (Been there, embarrassed to admit I've done that. 🤦♀️)
Michelle Miller
2025-04-13 11:35:30 +0000 UTCI gotta say when I first saw your name for a brief sec I thought you were Jennifer McCabe
Riley
2025-04-13 11:26:53 +0000 UTCfisher cats - Satan's weasels, google what they sound like
Dennis Quinn
2025-04-13 10:52:59 +0000 UTCWhew I'm not used to the guys getting so many facts wrong. Especially ones so basic to the case.
Katie Kos
2025-04-13 10:14:04 +0000 UTCThe cops that investigated this case were also the ones investigating the Sandra birchmore case, ruling it a suicide when the federal investigation proved otherwise. This whole dept is shady.
Kelli Waters
2025-04-13 09:26:51 +0000 UTCThe case is a total shit show. But I believe she did it also. I think she was overcharged with murder. I think she was drunk, mad, and did it unintentionally. No DNA from others was found on him and Proctors text messages the good/bad and ugly shows no evidence of a coverup despite claims multiple people are involved in said coverup. Doesn’t make any sense.
KellyInKentucky
2025-04-13 09:08:35 +0000 UTCI agree with Jimmie that it was very likely an accident. She was shit faced and pissed off and probably didn’t realize how bad it was until she started sobering up. Like y’all said those marks were probably from scavenging animals looking for anything edible. I never understood how she not only amassed a cult following but still maintains it because she is just not likeable. As James said she is very smug. Every time her face popped up and she started talking I was annoyed.
Jennifer McIntosh
2025-04-13 06:17:42 +0000 UTCI think she was black out drunk and accidentally hit him. I'm glad you guys got it this!
Candice Fitzpatrick
2025-04-13 05:37:21 +0000 UTCA former juror is now one of her attorneys.. the directions to the jury on the first trial was nuts
Chrissy Pinheiro
2025-04-13 05:18:53 +0000 UTCBeen waiting for this... FKR
Chrissy Pinheiro
2025-04-13 05:17:36 +0000 UTCKaren’s conspiracy theory stretches beyond credulity. The bad behavior of the cops doesn’t necessarily reflect her guilt or innocence. Yes, Jimmie, that speed in reverse needs to be addressed every time.
Tonia Willis
2025-04-13 04:48:07 +0000 UTCAs an L.A. native that watched the OJ trial and the Rodney King beating and subsequent riots live, I’ll never rule out cops being crooked. I didn’t watch the first trial, but I might check out the second one. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. Also, happy birthday Sarah!
Amber Wright
2025-04-13 04:44:15 +0000 UTCI think she was black out drunk, mad, they were fighting and she truly doesn’t remember or did it on purpose. But I do think she hit him with her car. The glass on his face were from the glass of alcohol he took from the last bar - why would he still have that glass near him if he went into the house? He would have finished his drink and put the glass down. Or if he had been beaten up he wouldn’t still have that glass near his body
Honey Skivolocke
2025-04-13 04:34:39 +0000 UTCIf a cop is always drunk, may we assume he is investigation impaired?
Rainee Courtnage
2025-04-13 04:30:32 +0000 UTCI would love to package Jimmie and bring him home to keep me laughing. He is such a quick, innocent comic mind.
Rainee Courtnage
2025-04-13 04:29:02 +0000 UTCThe ‘Dog-biting theory’ isn’t paired with the ‘Cop beat-down theory’, necessarily..the dog attack could have been an accident…and the ‘Throw him in the snow outside, to look like he got hit by a car / snowplow, since everyone knew he was coming over’, would’ve followed the dog attack ..which was / is the conclusion reached, by authorities..Hit by a car..who knows?!
Daniel Sandomenico
2025-04-13 04:08:46 +0000 UTCGuys, this isn't a group of 30 randos singing the same song. This is a group of 30 cops and their families singing the same song. One more point (this one's for Jimmy): if tires are spinning in deep snow, the vehicle might not have been moving at all—or not very far—but the system could still register high speeds if the wheels were spinning rapidly with little or no traction.
Laurie Bobskill
2025-04-13 03:53:18 +0000 UTCMan, James is giving every break to the cops here. I guess she must be guilty because the local cops want her to be, right?
Laurie Bobskill
2025-04-13 03:37:35 +0000 UTCBingo. I was a bit surprised they didn’t have the facts from trial correctly laid out. Also, didn’t hit Fitbit or whatever log 200+ steps after she had left as demonstrated by her phone connecting to WiFi shortly thereafter? They missed some things.
Andrea L. Fellows
2025-04-13 03:35:06 +0000 UTCI’ve been waiting for a Karen Read bonus episode!
Marie Cephas
2025-04-13 03:27:57 +0000 UTCLast message. I really hope the guys watch the second trial. It's obvious they didn't watch the first. John was jumped by Higgins, see waterfall video from an hour before the house. Dumped outside hoping they could blame the plow driver, when Karen freaked out that was the new cover story. Texts saying tell the cops the bus didn't come inside. Chloe attacked cause she's a crazy failed K9. John had nrisoed knuckles as described by ME in first trial. The scratches werent raccoons, at all. Hos long to die in cold google happened. Brian Albert never went outside the next morning. Canton Police weren't investigating, it was Mass State Police. Lead investigator has been fired due to his remarks about Karen and shit police work. Please guys watch it listen to the trial. Yes Karen does too much media. But that doesn't make her guilty.
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 03:03:10 +0000 UTCYes, the Evil Knievel series is amazing long form content. I plan to hit you fellas up on PayPal with extra funding—giving it to ya both ways!
Tonia Willis
2025-04-13 02:53:06 +0000 UTCSame. There were so many problems with how this investigation was conducted that it's impossible to get past reasonable doubt for me. I went from thinking she was probably guilty to now not knowing if she did it, but leaning toward probably not. I don't see how the case improves for the retrial since several of the investigators have since been reprimanded or fired for misconduct during this investigation.
Erin
2025-04-13 02:42:10 +0000 UTCLook at Brian Higgins testimony. Watch Jen McCabe testimony. She's, Karen, isn't guilty
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 02:40:17 +0000 UTCShe has Crohn's disease. She dropped him off at 1215 with the thought that he was going on to say they weren't staying. He never came back out. She got mad and left. Got back to his house at 1236 according to her connecting to his WiFi. She thought he stood her up, outside the alberts house.
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 02:36:36 +0000 UTCMy husband and I now randomly shout “We were having a good day!!” at each other lol!! BEST PODCASTERS EVER! Appreciate the hell out of y’all and your team!!!!
LissaG
2025-04-13 02:20:12 +0000 UTCI’m so excited to hear your takes! At this point I think it’s moot if she did it or not - the investigation will never hold up against appeals and I think it’s a waste of money and time to convict her after Michael Proctor lost his job for his conduct in this investigation
Jayne Hamlyn
2025-04-13 02:20:08 +0000 UTCI don't think she did it either. I went into the first trial thinking she was absolutely guilty. I watched the whole trial and have watched all the pre trial hearings for round two. I don't the is guilty at all.
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 02:17:28 +0000 UTCI'm incredibly invested in this case. I heard it on another podcast a few months after it happened, before the first trial started. I'm a court nerd who is able to listen/watch court while at work. I went in thinking she was guilty and came out thinking no way did she do it. I've been excited ever since you announced this patreon . Can't wait to hear your opinions.
Damon Stephens
2025-04-13 02:16:37 +0000 UTCUnpopular opinion: I don’t really think she did it. Maybe if I heard just the testimonies from witnesses, but the reasonable doubt is shady af
Ashley
2025-04-13 02:09:05 +0000 UTCHappy belated birthday to Sarah! Love you guys ❤️
Katie McBroom
2025-04-13 02:03:15 +0000 UTCWe are!
Crime in Sports and Small Town Murder
2025-04-13 01:42:19 +0000 UTCYaaaaaaaaaay!
Plinio Flavio Gonzalez Segovia
2025-04-13 01:37:07 +0000 UTCI don’t think you guys are on Bluesky (I deleted Twitter) but just wanted to say the Evel Knievel series is the best long form pod I’ve ever heard
Christopher Camposeo
2025-04-13 01:36:24 +0000 UTC
