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BONUS - SMALL TOWN MURDER - AZ VS. LORI VALLOW DAYBELL

This week, James and Jimmie discuss the 'Doomsday Mom' trial that took place in Arizona in April 2025. AZ vs. Lori Vallow Daybell.

Trial Verdict Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVEvhXPIYSM&t=6s

True Crime Arizona Interview After Guilty Verdict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecA97Uv3uj8

Comments

Idk if this has been said but I need an “aggressively mid” t shirt 😂

Kirsti Allen

No no no...not a dance studio for others. She demanded a mirrored room in every home. She taped herself dancing (I think naked) seductively and sent it to her next husband in her chain. She would be seductively, even X rated wooing husband. No sex before marriage. Her courtships were short and husbands were first to initiate divorce in every case. She was sending Mr Potato head tapes when they ambushed Charles. Sick vituperous boil!

Maggie King

Liberal Presbyterian here. We just do major white collar crime. Stock fraud, raping the environment, and creating the climate change crisis then deny, deflect, delude until Earth vomits us out and is quiet again.

Maggie King

LOL

Tonia Willis

Mmm James going on about how Karen Reed followers are in a cult but also a passionate defender of the WM3/Syed was a bit weird. I think when James went to prep for the additional WM3 episodes and had some self reflection. I'm guilty of it too.

Tiffany Zeiss

green. chile. chicken. enchiladas 🤣🤣🤣

Kathleen Kiehm

Where is the previous Lori Vallow episode they keep referencing? I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find it and would love to listen!

Andrea Galindo

When you guys talked about how 0.05% of comics make more than $35K per year it made me think of those income disclosure statements from MLMs 😳

Stephanie Mieras

I cannot tell you how many times I’ve listened to this episode it embarrassing. One of the best laughed from start to finish 🤘🏻

Dan Forbes

To clarify, are you talking about Lori Vallow or that histrionic woman up in Boston? I guess they're both a lot.

Crowded Crow

"Up to my ass in Lori right now." Umm.... 😆

Elizabeth Rutherford

Oh and about the "patient judge." The judge was trying to prevent an appeal. By treating her like the toddler that she was, he would counsel her so that later she couldn't say she herself was an ineffective counsel. We saw a similar attitude in the Sarah Boone trial. Since she went through (was it 8 or 9?) lawyers like toilet paper, the judge would ask her every day (perhaps two times per day) if she was happy with her defense and if he explained his strategy to her and so on. This too was to prevent an appeal, since she was such a royal bitch. Did anyone listen to her statement during sentencing? DISGUSTING!

magnoliasouth

On the heat in Arizona in July... I once went from my car, into a gas station for a cold bottle of water, came back out and got back into my car and the tops of my feet were sunburned because I was wearing flip flops. I KID you NOT! It was 121°F that day. While I do sunburn easily, I have never sunburned that fast before... in my life!

magnoliasouth

I'm gonna be honest, most of my crime news comes from you guys 😁 I try to stay away from the news as much as possible.

Alana Hall

As a fellow Lori I can say- not all Loris. ☺️☺️

Lori Ferguson

Charles Vallow was the best looking husband out of that psycho's whole roster.

Trina

She’s completely batshit, but may I say, batshit as a fox? She may be completely batshit, but with some good old fashioned criminality thrown in.

Eldergoth

I think that there’s pretty good evidence that she did do this on purpose, but I think that the police screwed up so much, that they may not be able to convict her for any of it. That is a department that needs to take a long good look at itself.

Eldergoth

OMG! Can't believe you said Lori is nuts! SHE'S BATSHIT! Love you guys keep up the good work!

Ken Hubble

Also a recovering alcoholic here I totally agree with you there is no question what had happened in terms of his death she was involved but it just depends if it is murder

Caleb Wells

Ooh, I was going to mention him! I watch a few ex-Mormans and Fundie Fridays who have talked about Paul and Morgan.

Rosemarie Cawkwell

W/mention of Karen Read, recovering alcoholic here, the Murphy’s Law of alcoholics says, she was trashed and she ran over her boyfriend at whom she was mad. Either accidentally or in the moment on purpose. She backed up pretty far as reflected by her cars computer info. She was blackout drunk, she said so herself. It’s the thing that makes most sense, she hit him, in my mind the only question is, is it manslaughter or second degree murder?

Eldergoth

I hate her guts, it feels so good to make fun of her!

Eldergoth

LAWYER BARBIE, that’s all this was to her.

Eldergoth

Yes, there is! Jerry Springer case in FL; and early access is in Quincy IL.

Crime in Sports and Small Town Murder

No new STM this week?

Jonathan Bennett

Only time I served on a jury the defendant represented himself. It did not go well for him.

Hedda Sorensen

JAMES! I have guiltily had the same thoughts! The Mormons have had Jody Arias, Lori Vallow, Ruby Frankie, Josh Powell (Cold podcast family annihilating guy). Hey, I was raised Catholic. We have probably had more felonies and sickos than anyone. No judgment. Peace be with you!

Kim Corgan-Hatfield

Re Eamonn Mcgee. You pronounce Eamonn 'Amon' you stupid septic wankers 😀

George

Can someone tell me the approximate release date of the first episode? I can't find it and want to listen to it again

Danni Dennis

Lord. Reminds me of my exes wife. Got a restraining order against me and I haven't talked to her in half a year. I had a no contact against them already. Made up so much stuff and represented herself in front of the judge. Female judge anhilated her. My lawyer didn't have to say a word. Judge ordered her to pay my legal fees. YESSS. My ex and her also religious. Fucking nuts.

Céleste Robinson-Musseau

The Last Podcast guys did a really extensive 4 part series about the Idaho murders. Pairs nicely with this series

Matt Eberhardt

Mommy Doomsday

Brooke C

You guys are so good. Thank you. I’m an ex Mormon and you are spot on.

Krishawn

I am going to destroy a plate of green chile enchiladas later

Happytobe

I was so excited for this episode and it didn’t disappoint!!! Also, nuanced Mormon here 🙋🏼‍♀️ We either breed the crazies or attract them 😩 Any recommended podcasts that deep dive into this case?

Rowena Smith

Oh my land! Karen Reed cult behavior is the same as Trump derangement syndrome. Super odd. 😳

Renata

I’m like you, James. There’s no such thing as too much weed!

Ryan Selland

This is fucking insane! I watched the trials online and she needs to burn. 🔥

Angie Sands

I’ve never heard of this, idk how I missed it. But definitely checking it out. If the guys covered it let me know. Thank you.

Brenda Drinkwater

James and Jimmie, the pickleball section tells me that you two would get a kick out of learning about influencer Paul Olliges. He’s this extremely cringe evangelical influencer in his late thirties who has never had a real job, and he became obsessed with pickleball about a year or so ago and he’s decided that he’s going to support his family by going pro in pickleball. His strange type of hubris is exactly the kind of shit y’all love making fun of

Caitlin Cook

I love this i am into true crime honestly but I've not heard much about Lori other than the NBC interview I just have been obsessed with the Rubie Frankie story, I think her eldest daughter Shari is going to put her father behind bars eventually Also I went to Wichita State and Adam Cox was a radio host in the Wichita Market he was also a crazy person he was tied to a wrongful death suit in Kanarado Kansas and that's how he ended up in Wichita

Caleb Wells

They have the same facial mannerisms. It's that little smirk they do.

Lorie Taylor

I love that we watch the same trials.. she was an awful excuse for a lawyer. She couldn't even play one on TV. She was flirty baby voice with the male detectives and testified and aggressive and hostile with the women. She is simply.. a nightmare.

Elia Charna

So is it just me or do KR & LVD look like they could be sisters? It’s the whole “(too) skinny, white woman, long blonde hair murderer” vibe & I don’t care for it. 😬

LauraSue

I can NOT wait to hear James' rant. Here for it.

Andrea Stack

This bitch .....

Tracey

Also loved that Jimmie told this person to GTFO. 😂❤️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Amy Sousa

I’ve been looking forward to this 🥰

Dixin Hanns

I’ve had the same thoughts recently about Mormons- for the same reason: high profile crazy ass crimes. Also, don’t forget the parents in Abducted in Plain Sight… Mormon!

Angie

The only news exposure I have to this case is through you guys—I’ve never seen it covered anywhere else—but bless you for covering it!

Matthew Martin

I love that James can cover it with no notes because he watched every minute of it. Just like the OJ trial. Nice!!

Sheri Donahue

Awesome episode! I can’t get enough of this insane murdering cunt.

Abby

This was peak! I didn’t think it could get any better and then you went after the Karen Read cult. I had to sit up bc I was laughing too hard lol

Amy Sousa

This is must-have merch! 😂

Amy Sousa

“No one is capable of more violence than a failed comedian.” Jimmy P bringing the hard knowledge once again, this is a terrifying fact…

Geoffrey Liu

Masshole here. The Karen Read case has been an absolute shitshow plague. I normally am all about this kind of thing, but I avoid this whole fucking case because people are so insufferable about it.

Lisa McColgan

For some reason my dumb brain mixed up Lori Vallow and Sarah Boone so all week I was picturing Boone in a courtroom one foot in, one foot out of a suitcase saying “we were having a good DAY”

Jordyn Fahey

This happens to me quite frequently and I love these dreams

Riley

The “Karen reed is absolutely innocent” people are nuts. It’s so bizarre to see adults acting that way… I have no friggin idea what happened to her boyfriend. I do have a hard time grasping how she could’ve hit him so hard it sent him flying and killed him, yet there are no marks on his body, other than the scratches, along with some of the other details of the incident. I don’t believe it should matter, though. The police dept botched the entire thing so badly- they didn’t even come close to doing their jobs. No one should be sent to prison for life after that sad excuse of an investigation.

Jessica Lussier

I haven't gotten a chance to watch it yet, but apparently they had a Green Chile Enchilada contest - and Adam Cox judged it 😅

Terri Hliwski

What the heck are you building? 😳🧐

Rae Rae

Cult - ignorant, one in the same.

Rae Rae

I’m wondering if it’s as bad as FL summer..🤔🥵

Rae Rae

God dammit, “keep sweet” is the creepiest fucking term ever imagined.

Rae Rae

He openly said certain things were admitted to limit appeals. I thought he was very transparent and PATIENT AF.

Elizabeth Freeman

LVD aka Babytalk Daybell is a fucking lunatic! I don’t believe she never killed anyone before this murder spree!! There are bodies, I’m just sayin’…

Elizabeth Freeman

So happy to hear you cover this craziness again!! I live down the street from where Tylee and JJ where buried and Tammy was killed. They have since knocked the house down. One more trial to go. Hope you do an episode on that as well!

Sherrie Holm

I’m a lawyer and I would guess the judge was stepping in when she was about to make major mistakes to minimize the bases for an appeal down the road. It’s still frustrating though!

Abigale Lawson

Ahhhhhahahahaha thank you for being one of the few podcasts who will call out the Karen Read cult!!! 👏🏼 I swear most Podcasters and YouTube channels are afraid of these lunatics- it’s crazy!

Megan Crowley

“Be an adult, speak from your chest or shut the fuck up” I need to put that on a shirt

Alyssa Madden

They not lying about a summer night in Arizona boy lol

Stacey Walker

I hope that lady fucks off!

Marc Davis

I can’t stand this woman for many reasons but she has tainted our family’s favorite meal now. Aaargh! Also, not wrong about the concrete but midnight is the only time in July when we can safely walk our dogs. It does cool down by twenty degrees or more to a cool 95 or so. Which feels damned near chilly after 22 hours of 120 degrees.

Maureen Wilson

Thinking about writing a „free Karen Read“ Mail now to get abused by Jimmy on a monthly basis. 🤣🤣🤣

Julia Schwarthoff

So I fell asleep while listening to this Patreon. Then I had a dream I was hanging out with James and Jimmie as they were talking about the trial. Also mixed in with real life stuff. 🤣

Tracy Poetz

The Joker is a failed comedian...

Diana Kendall

Not as extreme as this but defending yourself disastourously reminds of the current case here in Ireland if Enoch Burke who threw a public hissy fit and got fired over a trans student being in the school. And has been in and out of prison since for ignoring a restraining order and lunatic family show up at all hearings heckling the judge and his father ended up imprisoned for assaulting a female garda during one courtroom scuffle.

Stephen Watts

What’s up fellow Turkeys?!?! This , 27:41 “Second Sunrise!” might be my favorite episode yet!!!! And They all Rock!!!!🤟🏾🤘🏾

Zachary Leatherwood

This episode was anything other than aggressively mid

Cam 🛸

Thanks for doing this one, guys! I tried to watch the trial and the cringe was just too much for me to handle.

Kelli Jo

I love you cutting loose on this one James!

Sandy

Lori is a psycho.... her stories are so fucked. Thanks for giving her the roasting she deserves guys!! 👏

Chelsea Slaughter

Wasn’t Charles, a minor league ball player as well as a college baseball player… So had he hit Alex in the head with the bat as he claimed wouldn’t it exploded like a fucking watermelon??

Alycia RN 79

I am dying about Phoenix in July. 😉🤣

Sandy

Amie Harwick, a pretty well-known psychologist and Drew Carey’s fiancée, was murdered brutally by her ex boyfriend…who was also a failed comedian. We need to put those guys on a list 😭

Amber Wright

You guys brought it - what a compete whack job. 🤣🥴

Jen B.

all from memory….James, your brain in fascinating

TiannaGabanna

Yaaaas I can’t WAIT. Super excited for this one.

Brianne Suldovsky

She is INSANE I’m so glad you guys are covering her again 🤣🤣🤣

Samantha Spriggs

Yes! I've been waiting for this!

Stanton Parsons

Can't wait! Nothing better to listen to while I try and put together an 11k piece building set 😅

Terri Hliwski


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