Vinland Saga 1x10 Reaction

@Rinne Guilty.

Orr Malus

@Malus You wrote this, probably read it and posted it. That's crazy.

Rinne

@tom I think you hit the nail on its head. The reason why I think Vinland Saga is poorly written is because it has Jojo level of inconsistencies. Jojo's comedic and its dumb storyline is its charm. Vinland Saga on the other hand is meant to be taken seriously. The anime took that scene out because they want Thorfinn to be a sympathetic character. Leaving it in would have made Thorfinn one of the most despicable characters on the show, far lower than Askeladd. This is a good editing choice to make which means the manga is not as well written as the anime (even the author admitted to this). What makes the anime also poorly written as well is leaving the scene where Thorfinn personally had a mother and a little girl raped to death. It's like the creators had a change of heart halfway through realizing Thorfinn is a very difficult character to like. And of course that scene will never be mentioned ever again, because now they're trying to sell Thorfinn as a good-boy. This is just poor writing. It's on par with the show never mentioning again that Askeladd killed Thors because they decided it's now a big brother-little brother coming of age story. Or they watched GoT and thought to themselves "people really like that Tyrion/Bronn dynamic, let's do that as well".

Orr Malus

Drops in less than a month now :)

Goob

@tom It’s kind of a bummer for sure. The anime really butchered Mikasa’s character imo. They cut out like most of her dialogue in the show.

Goob

yeah, respect other people's opinion is what would make this more civil. and altogether the comment section of their patreon is usually civil. it's always some of the new patreons that love to argue. and having different opinions is great as long as you can respectfully hace a conversation. some people take other people's opinions as a personal attack and immediately go to the throat in the comments. i remember that when i defended alicent in the comment section of an episode of hotd i got dragged badly lol

sand_fl

hello LM, there little porblem i though to bring up, im not at the highest tear of patreon so i se some vinland saga episodes blocked (as they should) episode 1-5 is open to watch and instead of episode 6 to open, episode 6-9 still locked and episode 10 opened for me... its not the first time the second or third i watch vinland saga so i can skip but i would like to watch in order to observe your experiense <3

amir.cricket

why pepole 'always' fighting in the comment 'lately'? you just droped the to right subject i guess. not respect each other opinion is one thing, not understand and not willing to since too busy talk about slightly different thing and try teach you who's not listen. just accept it, its part of us human and we cant do anything about it in general.. just be the bigger hero and stop yourself from arguing take a step back and try listen

amir.cricket

Glad people in the replies have common sense. It's a similar situation in AOT. The author said the anime is the final version of the product or something, and people have been riding that one for years even when there's clear cases of the anime creating plotholes, retcons, simplified character arcs, and rushed plots. Combine a critically acclaimed adaptation with an original author from a culture of being non-confrontational and of course you'll get positive words like that

tom

I don't know what the particular mangaka said about the anime adaptations, but I'm very sure that Tokyo Ghoul S2-End, The Promised Netherlands S2 and Beserk 2017 are not liked by the mangakas :D

Robert H.

Why is it obvious he isn't gonna bad talk the adaptation? How many mangakas/authors in general have shit talked their adaptations lol? If he didn't like it, he would've said so.

SupremeCai

Sure he's not going to bash it but he wouldn't have to say it's better than his manga. So I doubt he's being untruthful. The production of the show makes the anime a lot better imo.

Rinne

He ain’t gonna talk bad the adaptation obviously but the manga is still superior to the anime because the anime cuts some details which make the story better tbh.

Jack SV

Since the manga is being compared to the anime here: The author has said in an interview (or Twitter?) that he prefers the anime and has solved some pacing problems and presented characters better. In general, the author is a real fan favorite, because he likes to talk to them. Thus, he also likes to give birthdays of characters to fans who are sympathetic to him. https://imgur.com/a/fphxw8U (NO SPOILER)

Robert H.

Whats with the twitter keyboard warriors that are scared of different opinions.

michaa

If the anime cut out scenes it's probably because they don't want to depict Thorfinn that way so I'm not sure it's fair to judge anime Thorfinn for what happened in the manga. Like in the Manga of Yugioh he straight up kills people, but I wouldn't call the Yugi we grew up watching a murderer, he's a different person in the adaption. Also I would more describe his reaction as angry but resigned (probably knowing there's nothing he could actually do without getting himself killed) than "whatever" and mild dissatisfaction

HeavenlyR

Vinland never connected with me so I haven't commented much but I love a good debate so I'll throw in my unwanted thoughts XD I get why people interpreted this comment negatively but people like KP are acting rabid, lmao. I don't know where this nonsense idea came from that the original comment is offended and saying the show/Thorfinn is horrible and shouldn't be supported, especially the deranged assumption that this person wants only wholesome power of friendship stories. They never said that, and just brought up an anime-manga difference, something the girls have been okay with and even factored into their discussion of characters before (Gabi from AOT, for example). Whether or not you think it made sense to bring it up in this particular instance is subjective, maybe it could have been phrased better for clarity though To address another comment in here, I don't think it's very accurate to say "the anime shows Thorfinn murdering, so he's still a bad person". Societally, rape is taken much worse than murder. It could be for a myriad of reasons -- it being more personal, it targeting mostly women, or victims having to deal with trauma afterwards -- my personal theory is that there's more leeway with murder since it can be circumstantial. So the scene not being there is definitely significant. Stories don't typically make the main hero stand by and let rape happen, and it's hard to believe the anime cut the scene only because they didn't have enough time. IMO the scene is very chilling and paints a very different picture of Thorfinn. Even if morally speaking this is just a blip in the ocean of other crimes he's committed, for the viewer it will still make a big difference and you could argue the anime sanitizes his character somewhat. Though whether the anime made the right choice and whether anime audiences should be made aware of the change are different questions

tom

KP stop be a child and Insulting people

Bourbon

why are people always fighting in the comment section lately? since then we don't respect other people's opinion? anyway, this was a great episode and can't wait to see them react to the rest of the season and specially what is coming in the following seasons.

sand_fl

AAAHHHH! I can’t wait for season 2!

WalloWing

I agree with your comment and while I do think that cutting content from the source material is rarely a good thing, in that case I think that the anime already did a good job at showing how much of an « individualist » (don’t know if it’s the correct term) Thorfinn is already, especially with the interaction between him and the young girl slave in episode 8 where Thorfinn pretty much said something along the line of « if you don’t like your condition as a slave either do something about it (kill your master and run away) or shut up » showing that at this point of his life he is willing to close his heart to the suffering that occurs around him as long as he gets to avenge his father.

Pkiu

KP, man you really need to learn to talk to people. Insulting and patronizing someone with each second sentence is no way to have a discussion which is what we had been doing before you joined it.

Rinne

Wtf KP toxic as hell LMAO then whining to get someone banned. He had some lengthy comments yea but you can just ignore it, he's not spoiling or attacking someone just stating manga shit left out. Why you comin at him so hard and randomly? You ok buddy? My DMs are open if you wanna talk about it or something. Or, reddit is always open for more toxic brats. Sure they'd love ya there.

SupremeCai

Holy shit, what are you talking about KP? I have been a fan of the manga since before the anime came out, I am not new to the series, so you can stop patronizing me. I know why Thorfinn is like that, but he is an asshole right now and that was my point. That doesn't mean I don't want them to watch VS or that I hate characters because they aren't good people. I really like Vinland Saga, I like the first season of anime and I like Thorfinn. Chill out.

Nikodem

Oh come on dude not again

Rare

Thorfinn is one of the most wicked characters in the show. An evil person confuses good for evil. A wicked person knows the difference between good and evil but chooses evil. People who find enjoyment in the exploits of such characters are to be avoided, as certain commenters here have proven.

Orr Malus

This was the episode that made me love Askaladd. And then I kept loving him more and more.

Nathan Elkin

Not a troll, just earnestly confused. It was information I wasn't aware of, but the opinion wasn't needed.

Nathan Elkin

You miss the point when you focus on whether he's a good person or not. He's just a person, like everyone else. You have no enemies, no one does.

Nathan Elkin

KP

@Ray Yeah, I would say that he cares, but he believes it's not his responsibility. It's on the person being used job to defend themselves. He told that one slave girl to just kill her master. He's becoming completely independent, to the detriment of himself and others.

Rare

I wouldn't say he doesn't care about it. He's just used to these atrocious things happening, and why would he try to do anything if that's going to cause him more troubles. They even say he's always looking down on them, he disapproves it, but he's not risking his goal for another human being that will be killed anyway, as sad as that is.

Anto

I don't get it - doesn't being completely desensitized and unfazed qualify as not caring? And yes, to his defense, he never raped anybody, one of the thugs said so when Thorfinn woke up in the barn. But he still eats the food they steal, he burns villages down and helps to murder everybody there. I get that he was practically raised among vikings, so he may not even perceive it as something that atrocious, but he does realize that he hurts other people and that it's wrong. He just doesn't care, because he is willing to ignore it to fulfil his selfish goal. I'm not saying he deserves no empathy - he's a kid who had to grow up with no love from the time he was 6 and I do like him as a character even at this point in the story.

Nikodem

Well Thorfinn by our definition is a murderer even at such an age. While I wouldnt call him a bad person per se, hes no longer innocent. But ofc, I hardly think he would do the same atrocities such as rape like the other vikings. Killing isnt even enjoyable to him. Its simply a means to an end. Rather than saying he doesnt care, hes just so desensitized to everything. Hes seen the same thing over and over again so it doesnt even faze him.

Danny

woah. manga sounds intense. i don't wanna see that. though i can see how that may have added some darker realism and dimension...... idk. imma stick to the anime.

Kyan

Sure, but I think the point of that moment in the manga was not to shock the reader with rape or show how vile Askeladd's men were. It was to show how apathetic Thorfinn has become. He did nothing to stop them, he didn't even seem very disturbed. I wish they at least put some other scene with the same message in its place. Yeah, I know that Thorfinn has been shown to murder without batting an eye, but this is different, because he watches somebody completely helpless suffering directly in front of him and doesn't give a fuck.

Nikodem

I think they left just enough scenes of Askeladd's men commiting atrocities for us to hate them without being absolutely disgusted. Enough to drive the point across so I appricieate that.

Rinne

In the manga, Thorfinn wakes up because some of Askeladd's men come and rape a woman (or more like a young girl) in the barn. Thorfinn gets up, looks at them, goes "whatever" with mild dissatisfaction on his face and walks out. He is not a good person at the moment.

Nikodem