Final comment!
It's really crushing having to watch Elliot clueless to the two most important people in his life betraying him behind his back in different ways, both of whom feel like they're doing this *for* Elliot. Last season we see everything from Elliot's perspective to a blinding fault, and this season we know a lot more than him, which makes him being so unaware more hurtful rather than mysterious.
Angela is definitely more distant from the audience, but I'd disagree with her emotionless disposition being out of nowhere. In S2 especially there's so many moments when she's stone-faced, maintaining a cold composure in what should be an emotional situation (The Price talks, the FBI hack, being confronted by Dom in her apartment, being led to the Whiterose meet). You can read the emotion in her eyes, but her face is otherwise blank. This is just how she acts.
I would instead say the difference to now is that there's a sense of confidence and control that, before, always felt like a shaky facade on the verge of collapsing. Despite her undeniably achieving a lot in the previous seasons, watching it felt like being in an uphill battle and losing constantly while getting cornered. Whereas now, all that doubt feels like it's dissipated and she knows exactly what to do. Plus, it's not like the vulnerability in her character is gone, as demonstrated by the last scene in 3x1.
So on my first watchthrough, I was really ecstatic about this new demeanour from Angela. Narratively it's very exciting and relieving to finally have her feel like the one in power with a lot to bring outside of her own internal arc. Despite ubdoubtedly achieving a lot in previous seasons, there's a constant feeling of her fighting an uphill battle and losing constantly; but here she feels truly competent and magnetic. This rewatch is a new experience, because I can definitely feel some of that discomfort vicariously through the reactions (I'm just SUCH an empath you know 😜😜). This new Angela is almost repelling and, to a degree, feels like an imposter in the shape of the Angela that we know, creating an uncanny valley effect. But also, for me there's still that element of coolness like the Wellicks in S1.
tom
2023-02-07 15:03:07 +0000 UTC
This is essentially Tyrell's bizarre adventure: The episode and I love it haha. It tells the story of one man finding his faith and having it crushed, and the wacky situations in between, while also filling in the gaps in other flashback moments. Though I will say the Leon scene always bugged me. Did no one think about how different his hair is from when the scene takes place?
I was curious what you'd think of the full hobo look on him, didn't think you'd say it suits him. I think the opposite, though he does look really good in that one shot at the computer when he's just beginning to grow it out. Overall it's been a great journey of watching you eventually come to love Tyrell as a character (Milena's hand-heart towards him compared to her being so creeped out by him originally xD). He really is like a scared puppy 90% of the time in this episode. His love for Elliot is very one-sided, but the way Mr Robot looks at him before saying "You should go" is honestly straight from a tragic love story ahahah. Tyrell seems to become more sympathetic in contrary ways -- murdering someone (S1) and shooting the protagonist with a gun (S2) somehow make him more likeable afterwards. Like Milena says, none of it makes sense but emotionally it all comes together and makes Tyrell incredibly compelling. He's truly a chaotic element in the show.
It's also wild, as you mentioned, that Tyrell is our emotional anchor in the final scene of Elliot recovering. It's so surreal imagining where we were at in S1 -- now, Tyrell is our protagonist that we as the audience stay with as we watch Elliot and Angela (!) quietly scheming to work with the antagonists and we're left out of the loop. It's so jarring and upside-down but that's why it works so well.
tom
2023-02-07 14:21:45 +0000 UTC
@tom Jung rknpgyl pbashfrf lbh nobhg gur Znfgrezvaq erirny? V guvax V pna nafjre gung.
Adam
2023-02-07 07:05:27 +0000 UTC
Tbbq erfcbafr, V qba'g unir nf zhpu gb fnl va erfcbafr ohg V qvq ernq na vagreivrj jvgu Natryn'f npgbe sebz F4 jurer fur gnyxf nobhg vg. V yvxr ure vagrecergngvba n ybg naq vg xvaqn znqr zr haqrefgnaq naq yvxr ure raq zber guna V qvq nyernql uggcf://rj.pbz/gi/2019/10/06/ze-ebobg-cbegvn-qbhoyrqnl-frnfba-4-cerzvrer-vagreivrj/
Myeh
2023-02-07 04:31:08 +0000 UTC
@Slazio
V shyyl nterr gung gur cevapvcyr bs abg shyyl fubjvat jung unccrarq jbexf sbe gung fprar naq svgf gur trareny gbar bs gur fubj. V'z whfg qrfpevovat jung YZ'f vffhrf ner.
V sryg gur fnzr jura svefg jngpuvat vg. Gurer jnf nyfb nccneragyl qenzn bire fnynevrf. Orsber F4 fgnegrq V unq gur srryvat Natryn jnf tbvat gb unir n zber qvzvavfurq ebyr, naq va zl urnq gubfr jbhyq or gur ernfbaf jul.
Ohg abj, V guvax vg znxrf frafr. Gur ernfba V unq gung srryvat vf cebonoyl orpnhfr... jurer jbhyq Natryn tb sebz urer? Gurer'f n uvag ng ure wbvavat Cevpr/Ryyvbg va gnxvat qbja Juvgrebfr sebz ubj F3 raqf, ohg V qba'g xabj vs V pbhyq frr ure shapgvbavat shyyl nsgre ure oernxqbja. Gb zr, vg znxrf ure fgbel nep zber vzcnpgshy vs vg raqf nsgre F3. Naq Natryn vf cerfrag va gur svany gjb rcvfbqrf rabhtu gung vg qbrfa'g srry yvxr fur jnf whfg fubirq nfvqr.
Vg pbhyq fgvyy or gur oruvaq gur fprarf fghss. V whfg srry yvxr V'z unccl jvgu gur erfhyg rvgure jnl. V guvax V unir n irel hacbchyne bcvavba nobhg gung, ohg Natryn'f punenpgre unf nyjnlf orra haqreengrq va zl bcvavba, naq infgyl vzcebirq jvgu guvf erjngpu. Gleryy'f raq gb gur fubj, ubjrire, qvq srry yvxr vg jnf rvgure hacynaarq be abg rkrphgrq cebcreyl.
@Myeh
Lrc, gb n qrterr gung znxrf frafr. Ure orvat va uvqvat gur jubyr gvzr jbhyq or n yvggyr haqrejuryzvat bs na raq. Sbe zr fur tbrf bhg ba n uvtu abgr. Naq Cevpr'f punenpgre vf n ybg orggre.
Nyfb, guvf vf pbzvat sebz fbzrbar jub unf frireny vffhrf jvgu gur ovt Znfgrezvaq erirny, fb V ubcr V qba'g pbzr npebff nf n "Fnz Rfznvy vf n travhf" snangvp kQ. V fgvyy qba'g rira ohl gung rirelguvat jnf cynaarq sebz gur ortvaavat. Ohg V guvax Natryn'f sngr svgf va gur cvpgher rabhtu sbe zr gb or fngvfsvrq. Gur jnl V sryg nobhg ure vavgvnyyl vf ubj V'ir cerggl zhpu nyjnlf sryg nobhg Wbnaan, gur bayl qvssrerapr orvat V jbhyqa'g xabj ubj gb fngvfslvatyl xrrc Natryn nyvir jvgubhg fnpevsvpvat jung V ybir nobhg ure va F3.
Lrnu, V zragvbarq guvf orsber ohg V srry yvxr gurl'er va na vagrerfgvat rdhvyvoevhz jurer gurl'er abg nanylmvat vg penml nzbhagf gb pngpu gur gvzr geniry fghss va F2, naq gb pbzr hc jvgu penml gurbevrf nobhg ernyvgl naq plobetf naq zvaq pbageby, ohg gurl'er nanylmvat vg rabhtu gb vafgnagyl znxr n ovt qrny bhg bs vg jura vg'f zragvbarq va F3. Fb vg yrnqf gb guvf njxjneq zvqqyr tebhaq jurer sebz gurve crefcrpgvir vg srryf jrveq vs vg'f erny naq vg srryf jrveq vs vg'f n erq ureevat.
tom
2023-02-07 04:07:05 +0000 UTC
V ubarfgyl fgvyy svaq fbzr bs Natryn'f punenpgre zbzragf pbashfvat, cnegvphyneyl qhevat frnfba 2 jurer vg jnssyrf orgjrra ure npgvat zber naq zber yvxr na R Pbec fgbbtr, ohg nyfb npghnyyl fur jnagf whfgvpr sbe ure zbz naq sbhaq ure jnl vafvqr. Vg xvaqn syvcf orgjrra gur gjb, yvxr gur fprar jvgu ure ynjlre znxrf vg frrz yvxr fur'f nyy-va ohg gura abg fb zhpu. V trg gung'f fbeg bs gur vagragvba, ohg birenyy V srry yvxr Natryn vf vaureragyl n zber thneqrq, pbashfvat punenpgre gb qrny jvgu. Naq gura gur fhqqra ghea cbfg-juvgrebfr guebjf vg nyy vagb pbashfvba.
V ubarfgyl guvax gur zragvbaf bs gvzr geniry unir guebja gurz n ovg. YZ unir ragregnvarq gur vqrn gung gung/nygreangr ernyvgvrf jvyy or erny, be vg'f whfg n zvfqverpgvba, ohg gurl unira'g neevirq ng, jung ubarfgyl sbe zr jnf gur boivbhf pbapyhfvba: gung Juvgrebfr ORYVRIRF vg'f erny naq pbaivaprq Natryn bs vg, ohg vg zbfg yvxryl vfa'g. Abg trggvat na nafjre ba jung fur fubjrq Natryn fgvatf sbe fher, ohg gurer vf rabhtu va gur raq gb tyrna gur gehgu, rfcrpvnyyl jura punenpgref yvxr Cevpr ynl vg bhg sbe gur nhqvrapr zhygvcyr gvzrf.
V'z rkcrpgvat gurl jba'g yvxr Natryn'f fhqqra qrngu naq gur dhrfgvbaf vg yrnirf, naq vg'f hasbeghangr. Abg rirel ybbfr raq vf gvrq, ohg vg'f fgvyy n fngvfslvat birenyy rkcrevrapr.
Nyfb, er: vg abg orvat gur cyna gb xvyy ure bss yvxr gung: V oryvrir vg gbb, ohg Fnz unf vafvfgrq gung vg jnf rvgure gung be chg ure vagb jvgarff cebgrpgvba, ohg sryg vg orggre bss gb raq ure ba n abgr bs qrsvnapr guna uvqvat. V qba'g xabj vs V oryvrir uvz ba gung, ohg guvf vf gur thl jub erthyneyl xvyyf bss punenpgref va vagragvbanyyl nagvpyvznpgvp jnlf, fb.
Myeh
2023-02-06 22:21:10 +0000 UTC
And then playing it cool in the taxi as if he hasn't been dreaming and preparing for this moment for literally months while Elliot separately thought he/Mr Robot murdered him lmao. So funny.
Kara
2023-02-06 21:30:03 +0000 UTC
V nterr jvgu Fynmvb naq nyfb V'z abg jbeevrq: ol F4R1 gur nhqvrapr xabjf naq haqrefgnaqf jul Natryn obhtug va. Gurer ner zber fprarf gb pbzr juvpu ervasbepr gung fur jnf oenvajnfurq naq nyfb nyjnlf fhfprcgvoyr gb oenvajnfuvat. V unir snvgu gung Ybyn naq Zvyran jvyy pbzcyrgryl haqrefgnaq - gubhtu vg'yy pregnvayl uheg - naq gurl znl rira srry qvfnccbvagrq ohg V qbhog gurl'yy or pbashfrq be srry yvxr gurer ner hanafjrerq dhrfgvbaf. Naq jbefg pnfr vs gurl qb, jr pna cbfg bhe gubhtugf hasvygrerq nsgre Natryn qvrf, gurl hfhnyyl ernq ba n 1-2 rcvfbqr ynt naq V guvax gung'yy uryc, rfcrpvnyyl fvapr gur fubj raqf ba fhpu n uvtu abgr.
Kara
2023-02-06 21:23:26 +0000 UTC
Great reaction! Not much to add this week except it's always a highlight on rewatch reaching this episode and experiencing what Tyrell experienced for the months between S1 and end of S2. More great stuff to come!
Kara
2023-02-06 21:18:57 +0000 UTC
ROT13 - Full Series spoilers!
Gur fubj znxrf vg cerggl pyrne gung Natryn tbg oenva jnfurq vagb guvaxvat Juvgr Ebfr pbhyq npghnyyl perngr na nygreangr ernyvgl jurer ure zbgure vf nyvir.
Gryyvat be fubjvat gur nhqvrapr ubj Juvgr Ebfr qvq npuvrir gung jbhyq or yvxr rkcynvavat ubj gur zntvp va Uneel Cbggre jbexf. Juvgr Ebfr vf whfg gung tbbq ng znavchyngvat. Ure znavchyngvba fxvyyf ner nyfb ba qvfcynl va "409 - Pbasyvpg". Jurer Cuvyvc, Ryyvbg naq gur ivrjref jnag gb oryvrir gung Natryn vf abg npghnyyl qrnq.
Gur ceboyrz vf gung gur ivrjre whfg frrf guvf fhqqra punatr va Natryn. Vgf nyzbfg yvxr fur vf nabgure punenpgre ragveryl. Guvf pna or sehfgngvat jura lbh yvxrq ure orsber naq jura lbh pna abg eryngr gb 'gur arj' Natryn.
Hasbeghangryl ure raq vf whfg nf fhqqra nf ure punatr ng gur raq bs frnfba 2. Juvpu vf abg shysvyyvat sbe fbzr crbcyr. Fur tbg pbaarq, cnegbbx va gur plore obzovatf naq gura fur qvrf. Gung pna or sehfgengvat.
Ohg V guvax gung jnf abg gur cyna. V unir arire frra vg pbasvezrq ohg V guvax fur jnagrq bss gur fubj orpnhfr bs gur oernx hc orgjrra ure naq enzv znyrx. Vs gungf gehr guna Fnz Rfznvy unq gb xvyy ure bss va gur svefg rcvfbqr.
V ernq lbhe cnfgr ova. Terng vafvtug! V nterr jvgu lbh. V whfg qbag srry yvxr jevgvat gjb cntrf evtug abj kQ
Slaizio
2023-02-06 20:19:31 +0000 UTC
ROT-13 Series spoilers!
Nalbar ryfr srry n yvggyr onq ng ubj crbcyr ner ernffhevat gurz gb unir snvgu va ubj gurl'yy trg nyy gur nafjref sbe gurve oheavat dhrfgvbaf... ohg jr qba'g svaq bhg jung Juvgrebfr fnvq be fubjrq gb Natryn? Nabgure vffhr vf gurl'er abg fngvfsvrq jvgu gur pheerag nafjre orpnhfr gb gurz, jryy Natryn vf n shyyl tebja jbzna, dhvgr engvbany naq frevbhf, lrg fur oryvrirf va gvzr geniry nsgre n unys-ubhe pbairefngvba. Vs gurl gbbx vagb nppbhag ure fgngr bs zvaq yrnqvat hc gb gung rcvfbqr vg jbhyq or n qvssrerag fgbel ohg nf vg fgnaqf V'z oenpvat sbe qvfnccbvagzrag naq rzcgvarff. Nyfb gur trareny gvzr geniry vqrn jnfa'g cvpxrq hc ol gurz hagvy vg orpnzr irel oyngnag, fb vg srryf bqq nf n erq ureevat fvapr vg ortf gur dhrfgvba bs jul hfr gung nf bar va gur svefg cynpr bgure guna frrzvatyl orvat snagnfgvpny sbe gur fnxr bs vg.
Using a pastebin for the other ROT-13 message because it's a MEATY one: https://pastebin.com/HRxvPnSm
tom
2023-02-06 17:17:13 +0000 UTC
This is so funny, makes Tyrell more pathetic and funny
Karabo
2023-02-06 16:58:39 +0000 UTC
So happy you see Irving as a mix of lalo and saul bc i always saw him like that aswell lol glad youre enjoying his character hes one of my favorites!
x
2023-02-06 08:57:14 +0000 UTC
Honestly, they should really have someone moderate these comments. It's a bit careless that they just let spoilers stay and actively read the comments, given that we pay for this stuff.
Robbe Bryssinck
2023-02-06 08:37:31 +0000 UTC
OMG this a conundrum…I want you to advance and at the same time I don’t…
Agitprop
2023-02-06 08:01:31 +0000 UTC
I've always felt sorry for Tyrell, his love for Elliot and desire to impress him / going the extra mile to demonstrate his loyalty and all these months of Tyrell's anticipation of their reunion - Elliot doesn't think he's real. :(
Going as far as demanding his original suit back / clean shaven just to be met with "Do you see him??" - makes me laugh and feel bad at the same time
Dustywood
2023-02-06 07:55:53 +0000 UTC
Yeah I had to double take over when they called Price "Pierce" - got a little confused for a moment till I realized they're still tripping up over his name lol
Got some more things to say (about Elliot, Angela and Tyrell) but will wait until activity dies down
- When the gun jammed, Mr Robot was probably like 'Dammit Darlene, this is why you don't store a gun that you plan to use in a popcorn machine!'
- The intro with the scrolling credits, eerie music and car track is a reference to The Shining. But I also think Sam Esmail just really likes long shots of cars driving to places, haha, since both season finale post-credit scenes have started that way, if you recall.
- The Lalo guy's name is Irving, btw. It's on the car dealership store sign. I love the moment where he just has all these different mugs and all their labels on his shelf, denoting different identities he pretends to have hahaha.
- How are you guys also calling Phillip Price "Pierce"? The last reactors did the same thing but they were at least concurrently watching Community where a character had that name, lol.
tom
2023-02-06 06:18:38 +0000 UTC
For sure, guy couldn't take the disrespect even from her.
ROT13: V whfg ubcr gurl'er bx jvgu Natryn'f raq, gurl gnyxrq nobhg vg ntnva va gur nsgre-qvfphffvba...vg vf nqzvggrqyl n pubvpr gur fubj znxrf V'z abg fher vs V nterr jvgu nybat jvgu Gleryy'f raq, ohg vg fgvyy jbexf sbe gur fubj naq fgnxrf naq gurl qb yrnea Natryn'f onfvp shyy qrny orsber gura
Myeh
2023-02-06 03:44:29 +0000 UTC
It sucks but with the way they read comments, it only takes one person to ruin it all. There's always one or two people that think they're clever. And with the nature of spoilers, there's many situations where we're powerless because if you point it out then it draws more attention to it, so you have to take the chance that LM don't read it. I wish patreon/youtube had a feature where you can mark someone else's comment and the owner/admin has it hidden for them unless they click on it, or something
tom
2023-02-06 03:27:40 +0000 UTC
Don't forget Sharon Knowles too. Tyrell is very desperate in that moment once he's so far in that giving up or changing strategies would be losing. It's probably why he killed her even though it ruined their plan, beyond him just being crazy.
ROT-13 spoilers: V jnf guvaxvat gung gbb. Gubhtu gur erpnc bs gung rcvfbqr fcryyf vg bhg orsber vg unccraf, unun.
tom
2023-02-06 03:25:40 +0000 UTC
Heavy on this one: No cheeky hints/semi-vague remarks about spoiler material because those can be figured out.
BigJo H
2023-02-06 03:14:04 +0000 UTC
A Message for those who are careless with spoilers:
I got this from the moderator (SuddenImpulse030) of Spartan & Pudgey channel and thought it would be useful here:
IMPORTANT: PLEASE KEEP ALL INFORMATION TO THE EPISODES THEY HAVE WATCHED.
You can talk about anything within reason but please:
1. No show spoilers
2. No character spoilers
3. No future event spoilers
4. No trailer, promo etc. spoilers.
5. No cheeky hints/semi-vague remarks about spoiler material because those can be figured out.
Troy Soldier
2023-02-06 01:35:15 +0000 UTC
Will be updating this as I watch but Flipper being mentioned in the presence of Whiterose tickles me for some reason. Being mentioned in high places!
I think what this episode cements is that Tyrell has Attachment issues, guy clings to people who give him approval of any kind, or even those who don't. Joanna, Elliot, even literally clinging to Price when he's fired. I love his character he's very funny
ROT13: Sebz gurve pbairefngvba ng gur ortvaavat, gurl'er tbvat gb YBIR Cevpr'f raq. Thl trgf fuvgsnprq naq gnxrf gur cvff bhg bs Juvgrebfr sbe gur ragver avtug. Trahvar orfg punenpgre raq.