The Sopranos 4x08 Reaction
Added 2025-01-23 00:51:16 +0000 UTC
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Tony represents the Sun
robert klein
2025-01-27 05:40:23 +0000 UTCThis episode can be paired nicely with episode 2.11 “House Arrest”. We have Tony’s attorney Mink showing up here again who was the same guy that told Tony to take a backseat to reduce risk of exposure and being charged. Tony in that episode was so bored and left to his own thoughts that he broke out in a rash, as discussed by Melfi, he began to think too much about his own actions and their consequences that it started to affect his mental state. The same trend happens here, Tony is falling asleep in front of movies, sighing and sitting around despondent in the early part of the episode. The book Carmela chucks is ‘The Mists of Avalon’, which is a female-focused retelling of the King Arthur legends, all about the women in the Arthurian mythology. The ending song is perfect as always: ‘When This Battle Is Over’ by Delaney and Bonnie. Paired with the stand off between Carmela and Tony in the ending scene, the parallels behind the lyrics aren’t difficult to understand: “When this battle is over Who will wear the crown? Will it be you? Will it be me?“ Pretty much sums it up.
Darrach
2025-01-24 10:41:21 +0000 UTCYes, it mainly has to do with losing mental faculties as grey matter and fluid intelligence decreases. It’s literally their brain regressing to an early stage of development (although their crystallized intelligence stays about the same).
Gaboxxy
2025-01-24 03:59:56 +0000 UTCive watched the show like 5 times and never noticed that lol
Cole
2025-01-23 21:49:55 +0000 UTCI've done a different type of caregiving, but from what I've heard from caregivers i know that work in memory care facilities old people sometimes regress into acting more like teenagers like this. Also they fuck each other /a lot/, and there can be a lot of very short term relationships much like in high school.
Yarrow
2025-01-23 19:32:14 +0000 UTCI think the other subtitles that they were missing were also hard coded into the episode. They have a very distinct visual style compared to the other subtitles.
Marcus Cato
2025-01-23 18:20:01 +0000 UTCThe scene at the end was mutually assured destruction. It was great to see Carmela using leverage so they both had something over each other that neither one could speak about. Well played.. Also Janice being Janice is always hilarious
windyMelon
2025-01-23 18:03:21 +0000 UTCI don't think Tony gives two shits about Ralph's childhood. He was just trying to find out if he has "normal" sex with what's her face. The only reason he didn't want to continue his relationship with her was because of being "where Ralph has been". But since he found out the truth he has no problems being with her now. That's all it was.
BNJ
2025-01-23 16:44:57 +0000 UTCYour hearing is cooked. The static, while not absolutely horrible, is very noticeable and annoying.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-23 15:35:02 +0000 UTCI don't think they did anything about the subtitles, the subs in the Italy scene were hardcoded into the episode, as it was a proper foreign language scene that mattered.
Abacus
2025-01-23 10:09:32 +0000 UTCI love that Janice is watching Robot Wars in this episode lol. Loved that show as a kid.
Mark M
2025-01-23 10:01:08 +0000 UTCI think the girls missed this as they talked through most of the scene, but when Carmela was in the shower, she was humming "the Furio song" (the song from the party which she hears in her fantasy/daydreams). Tony literally and metaphorically throws cold water on her fantasy. Another layer to the scene is that it's both Tony and Carmela's fantasies clashing — Carmela singing Furio's song, and Tony adopting Valentina's youthful prankster approach to having fun in a relationship. Tony is trying to bring the fun playfulness into their marriage, but the attempt falls flat on its face as Carm doesn't get into the spirit. It ends with both of them unhappy.
Abacus
2025-01-23 09:37:29 +0000 UTC19:10 It's hilarious that Valentina took Tony equating her to a horse as a huge insult but Tony was actually kinda being complimentary, as he has a higher regard for animals than he does for people, so her being equal to a horse wasn't a hurtful comparison in his mind.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-23 04:51:12 +0000 UTCThat's so fucking racist
Rok Zupan
2025-01-23 04:42:11 +0000 UTCSPOILER FOR THE EPISODE AHEAD, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED What you're saying about Ralph is interesting. Ralphie was one of the few characters (if not the only, but I might be wrong) that was actually given a redemption arc before his death. On most characters, the opposite it's true, the show makes it a point to show how horrible just before they die so their death is justified. Some aspects of his character imply his attempt at redemption is genuine rather than just an emotional reaction or him just wanting people to feel sorry for him, like his obsession with the character of Maximus Decimus in Gladiator, who's essentially the "ideal man" (and that ties to your point of him being a "model soldier"), or his sexual kinks that include degradation and pain, which probably means at his core he's weighted down by his guilt and has a subconscious desire to punish himself. Davis Chase goes more in depth regarding this. I think the point of the show tried to make with him is that anyone can redeem himself, it's never too late as long as you're genuinely trying, to the point even the most evil character of the show could've "saved his soul". But, again, you have to truly want and truly TRY to have some introspection and recognize the evil within. With Tony on the other hand, even though we see that at his core he's not really evil and he has a subconscious desire to change and become a better man, he puts nowhere near the effort he should in order to make that a reality.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-23 04:04:54 +0000 UTCi appreciate the added context. i never heard of this bit of trivia
Carlos Hurtado
2025-01-23 04:01:12 +0000 UTCTh ending of this episode is one of the greatest I’ve ever seen in my life. A whole conversation is had with barely more than a few sentences said. What a fucking masterpiece.
Thomas De Peña
2025-01-23 03:34:15 +0000 UTCAlso had some static issues. But silver lining: bravo on fixing the subtitle issue. Edit: I don't know if this info will be helpful, but once the episode finished and the commentary started, I no longer heard any static.
Marcus Cato
2025-01-23 03:29:42 +0000 UTCThere is small static in the severance episode as well. They aren’t unwatchable or anything but something that should be looked at.
Cole
2025-01-23 03:15:43 +0000 UTCEither you guys are being babies or my hearing is cooked. Help, my insurance sucks! (Yes, there's static)
Isaac
2025-01-23 02:25:36 +0000 UTCI always hate giving Ralphie credit in ANY area, but according to "the rules" he has actually been one of the best-behaved members of the Family for a while now. Ever since the conflict with Tony when he beat Tracee to death, and then the problem with Jackie Jr., he's been on his best behavior. And it's weird because he's still a generally unlikable person, but unlike Silvio and Patsy and Paulie he's not undermining Tony at all or disobeying his orders or breaking any of the rules. He has, in fact, been a MODEL mafia soldier for this whole season. Which just goes to show the best members of their order are still scumbags who beat women to death over the slightest offenses. Irvington, where Cookie's kids threaten to send her if she won't be nice to Paulie's mother, is a predominantly-black town in the Newark area and has a reputation as a high-crime area. Given the way the show has always emphasized the anti-black racism in the Italian community of this series, them specifying that they would send her to Irvington was a specific kind of threat based on the local perceptions. It's not just "We'll send you to a bad nursing home", it's "we'll send you to a BLACK nursing home!" They knew that the Irvington part would get through to her even if nothing else did.
JBK405
2025-01-23 02:21:09 +0000 UTCYeah I can’t listen to the whole reaction since the static sound is playing through the whole reaction >_>
Jack SV
2025-01-23 02:17:26 +0000 UTCBored Tony is a menace to everyone around him
Mitchell
2025-01-23 02:09:46 +0000 UTCthe mic seems to have picked up some static or something
bondbond53
2025-01-23 01:21:34 +0000 UTC
