The Sopranos 4x10 Reaction
Added 2025-01-30 00:12:44 +0000 UTC
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When they go?! Come on huh!
Darrach
2025-02-04 22:19:43 +0000 UTCLeave then, nobody is forcing you to stay. Pro woman and anti man? They literally said in this episode that Carmela punishment is that she will never have true love because of the life she chooses to live. They love her but they still want her to lose everything. And ofc they feel the most for Ade in this episode because who wouldn't? The girl is in a very toxic and abusive relationship ofc you want her out of it... And one of the reasons they dislike Tony is because of how he treats Chris so they feel for Chris, who is a man. Y'know when you love a character that doesn't mean you are 100% with them and when you dislike a character that doesn't mean you can't appreciate their writing. They already said that Tony is the best character of this show. Y'all are tiring with those types of comments it's like you don't even listen to their reviews. Just leave if you don't like their reaction
sakurabraus
2025-02-01 10:58:28 +0000 UTCYou know who loved Johnny Sack? Joey Peeps. It's sad when they go young like that.
Abacus
2025-02-01 07:33:16 +0000 UTCNot gonna lie, i am not enjoying too much the pro woman/anti man/dislike male characters approach in a mafia show. You can enjoy every character if you don't judge them all the time because their bad actions.
Diego Palma
2025-02-01 04:33:13 +0000 UTCTbh, I understand how pointless it is to argue this point, as soon as Christopher laid his hands on her and we saw the subsequent bruises on her face and the breakdown with Carmella and Tony, it was over. Attributing any fragment of accountability to her situation and the responsibility to leave said situation would be judged as victim blaming. Instead of helping victims understand that they have the strength to leave, people would rather convince them that they are at the mercy of their attackers. I never understood why.
Edward. M
2025-01-31 19:33:52 +0000 UTC@Liam “Less moral criticism and greater sympathy” for essentially being dumb and this is for someone who is near 30, wants to be a wife, wants to be a mother and we’re talking about offering her more sympathy instead of responsibility and accountability? I also love how Adriana went from warning Christopher to hide the laptop he stole due to the indictments coming down, counting on his mafia connects to start her music career, preparing a suit for him to get made, accepting a club and managerial role from said mobster and salivating at the jewellery and the shoes attained through thievery to being a naive helpless child comparable to an innocent dog that got murked while taking a nap 3 seasons later. Character progression like that is hard to come by
Edward. M
2025-01-31 19:25:12 +0000 UTCIt’s also weird how they are judging Tony for NOT killing Chrissy lol. They have come to a point in which they hate him so much that he’s literally damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. If he doesn’t kill him “oh ofc he can know feel good about himself, ofc it’s just manipulation, Tony very bad human”, but if he killed him then they would criticize him for being so evil to kill his own nephew. I know Tony IS awful, but sometimes we got to suspend disbelief and understand the characters from the point of view of mobsters, not just how we would judge any other character or person from real life. Like, when I watch Peaky Blinders I’m not always expecting Tommy to be a decent human being and not make any morally questionable decision; like, the dude is a criminal, it’s a show about criminals, what else did I expect lol?
Gaboxxy
2025-01-31 11:10:16 +0000 UTCThe second paragraph I feel it’s a bit unfair. No matter how you look at it, the smart thing for Tony to do is to kill Chrissy, the risk of keeping him alive FAR outweighs any possible reward. One way or the other Tony does care for him, it’s the only reason he keeps him alive. By this point deep down he knows Chris is no good and doesn’t have what it takes to be a leader, but keeps giving him chances because he’s his nephew.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-31 11:02:39 +0000 UTC@Liam yes and no. Yes, she’s naive and dumb in some aspects, but in other aspects she doesn’t pretend to be a complete “outsider” like Carmella, she knows perfectly well her bf is a mobster, knows what being “made” implies and doesn’t pretend otherwise. There is even a scene in which the “wives” discuss the “goomahs” of their husbands and the fact that one of them never had one and we see Ade’s face completely emotionless. This is because she knows it was part of the bargain and never expected anything else, unlike the other women that deluded themselves.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-31 10:58:22 +0000 UTCalso, lets just be honest, adriana basically IS a helpless little cosette. carmela is intelligent and has enough self-awareness to be criticized as complicit at minimum. adriana, frankly, is naive and stupid, therefore affording her less moral criticism and greater sympathy.
Liam
2025-01-31 00:35:05 +0000 UTCbringing artie into this is so contrived. this comment is basically a self-report. essentially "why wont they sympathize with this pathetic character that i see reflected in me and will therefore try to forcefully dignify"
Liam
2025-01-31 00:28:03 +0000 UTCYep. Both are liasons between crews. Johnny Sack between the NJ and NY families, and Juan Bolsa between Fring and the Salamancas. And both dabble in a little scheming of their own from time to time.
Michael M
2025-01-30 20:27:04 +0000 UTCNever knew that! Nice tidbit
Darrach
2025-01-30 20:11:31 +0000 UTCI mean, Artie was a little wrong c'mon. He was her boss and she's engaged. And Artie is married to Charmaine, of course. Is he a murderer? No. Is LM too harsh with him? A little, sure. Dude is clearly going through depression and a midlife crisis and not thinking at all. He should be ridiculed, but I also think he deserves a path towards redemption.
Michael M
2025-01-30 18:13:44 +0000 UTCYou know who else loved the character Johnny Sack? Vince Gilligan, of Breaking Bad fame. He loved him so much that he created the character Juan Bolsa as an homage. Juan Bolsa translated to English is "John Sack."
Michael M
2025-01-30 17:24:01 +0000 UTCThis is the besides the point, but my bad, Artie and Adriana are 13 years apart. I thought they were closer to 20, albeit it’s still a weird age gap imo. Again though, their age difference isn’t really quite the point. Artie may be a good person who keeps terrible company, but he’s having a crisis right now. Why are people saying that Adriana should have gone with him? In this situation it’s trading a turd with a shinier turd, not to mention the “family” dynamics would have everyone turn against her for doing that. And of course, as others pointed out, for victims of domestic abuse it’s difficult to leave their partners. And where did LM ever say that Adriana or Carmela weren’t guilty or made their own choices? They love the characters but they’re not disillusioned about their flaws. Also, kinda hilarious to accuse me of being chronically online when some of these comments reek of incel
My Toasty Toast
2025-01-30 15:20:38 +0000 UTCAlright, but you gotta get over it
windyMelon
2025-01-30 15:14:41 +0000 UTCThere have been callbacks and references to ‘the strong, silent type’ all season long. There have been numerous references to westerns, such as High Noon and Rio Bravo. The former starred Gary Cooper, who Tony has held up as an example of the strong silent type he believes he also embodies. Rio Bravo was made in response to High Noon because John Wayne and Howard Hawks, McCarthyist conservative scumbags that they were, felt Gary Coopers character in High Noon was “un-American” and weak by asking for help instead of handling his problems ‘like a real man’, and so needed to set the record straight with their own film. I’m sure it is a deliberate irony that in real life, the archetype of stoic heroism that is Gary Cooper was not ‘man enough’ to live up to the myth of the strong silent type in this instance. Much like how Tony does not live up to his own ideal. The intervention scene is so good, but one line did turn out to be sadly prophetic. Chris says Tony will die of a heart attack but the time he’s 50. James Gandolfini did die of a heart attack at 51. I think this role, despite the heaps of praise and stardom it reaped, took a lot from him too. He increasingly struggled with addiction issues and during the run of the show, there was an intervention held for him that ultimately failed. If it had succeeded, maybe he’d still be around today.
Darrach
2025-01-30 14:25:16 +0000 UTCVarus not beating the chronically-online allegations.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-30 12:47:56 +0000 UTCIt’s actually surprising (all due respect) he didn’t die sooner considering his lifestyle.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-30 12:47:03 +0000 UTC@Damien Fenton sure, he was portrayed as a dude with a midlife crisis attempting a pathetic move, no denying that, but at the end of the day the dude made his move and got rejected and that’s basically the end of it.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-30 12:36:47 +0000 UTC@My Toasty Toast dude, how chronically online can you be lol. Power imbalance? She’s already quitting lol, they didn’t have an employer/employee relationship anymore. Age gap? Dude, Artie is not even 10 years older than Christopher. Let’s be real, if Artie was tall, attractive and with a full set of hair, these points wouldn’t even be brought up. Definitely agree that Ade should leave Chrissy asap though, no discussion there.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-30 12:32:13 +0000 UTCAde was quite uncomfortable when Artie made his move. She didn't just politely reject him as a friend. Perhaps that's an indication of how the writer/director wanted the audience to think of Artie in that moment.
Damien Fenton
2025-01-30 11:48:28 +0000 UTCWomen stick with abusive partners all the time. It is a sad fact of life. I've personally seen this happen myself with a flatmate. It almost seems like a form of Stockholm syndrome to me. Her relationship with Chris is quite true to life in that respect.
Damien Fenton
2025-01-30 11:38:52 +0000 UTCYou're a bit dramatic though. Them being disappointed in Artie does not mean they hate him. They already said that he's not a bad guy and he has to get his shits together because now his behavior is lame which is true. They know the others characters are far worse than him, they can see him like a loser- he's acting like Jackie Junior when he's a grown man so even though you understand how he comes to this he's still pathetic- without hating him lol. And for Carmela yes they love her but that doesn't mean they're blind. They already said they totally understand people who think she's a bad person and they said that she deserves to lose everything she has now because of blood money. When Carmela almost cheat on Tony they were excited about it because Tony does that to her everyday so it's fair game. It doesn't really have to do with the man being better. Yes they think Carmela deserves better that Tony which is true in a sense because she could find a guy who will really love her but at the same time they know why she chooses Tony , to be rich and all and that she turns a blind eye about where the money come from. She's not innocent and they know that. About Ade, her growing up how she did doesn't mean she deserves to be in a toxic relationship like that. It's totally understandable to have empathy towards her, she chooses this life because it's everything she knows. And they also have empathy towards Chris as well but he's still awful. I talk way too much but to say that they are not black and white. They are aware about who the characters are.
sakurabraus
2025-01-30 10:55:40 +0000 UTCA care-frontation, we call it.
Alexander
2025-01-30 09:35:38 +0000 UTCHis anger issues really started in season 2 after Pussy returned while knowing he's a rat deep down. I kind of interpret it as him being angry at the life he ends up with (as a mob boss) that he has to kill his best friend, but of course Tony won't have that level of self introspection. After he killed Pussy, his anger issues only get worse.
IanJ
2025-01-30 08:32:51 +0000 UTCMost of what you are saying is absolutely true but they won’t admit it because it is a societal norm to treat women like little cosette, babies incapable of agency and control. Adriana’s current situation is mostly a result of her own choices. Admitting that would mean blaming her and you can never blame a “baby” for anything.
Edward. M
2025-01-30 08:21:05 +0000 UTCAnother great framing between Tony and Johnny Sack in this episode. Johnny with the backdrop of the NYC cityscape behind him and Tony with the dumpster behind him. His decision to not cut NY in with the HUD scam is also tied with Ralph and his own greed. With his best earner gone, Tony will want to keep as much money as possible to himself. Nice play on Tony's part by blaming Ralph's "disappearance" on NY though. It does make me wonder though. If Tony killed Ralph back in season 3, would it go over better among his captains? Ralph is yet to be a captain then and Paulie even encourages Tony to kill him back then. Tony whacking Ralph at this point over (allegedly) killing his horse doesn't seem to bring a sense of "closure" the same way if he killed him way back then, which shows how brilliant the show is at portraying how senseless the violence is. Also very glad that this episode basically called out people who cared more for animals than human lives. Beat a pregnant woman to death and help further impoverish the life of countless poor kids, but a horse is where he draws the line.
IanJ
2025-01-30 08:16:48 +0000 UTCThis episode is dark but so funny. Tony saying "alright but you gotta get over it" to Furio, then immediately crying about Pie O My in the therapy session is so good. The discussion on Tony being a sad clown is interesting because Tony says it in the first episode. He actually was more like that in season 1, more jokey and pulling pranks, and having to deal with Junior and his mother by using humour. You can see a real decline in both Tony and Chris from that time, and how they direct that onto others. Tony has just calloused and become more selfish, while Chris continues to numb himself and become more volatile.
Mark M
2025-01-30 08:13:02 +0000 UTC@My Toasty Toast Age gap – she's about 30 and he's about 40. "Weaponizing the power imbalance" what the hell are you talking about? This isn't Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. He doesn't have any power over her. If it were some situation like he's her boss and she wants to keep her job and he's using an implied threat of firing as leverage then you'd have something approaching an argument, but it's not the case at all. She's already quit. How exactly is he a shitty person? He's no Jude Law, but is a respectable businessman, warm and convivial host, and not a cheater.
Abacus
2025-01-30 07:47:22 +0000 UTCoh god
Liam
2025-01-30 06:28:54 +0000 UTCI genuinely don’t understand this take. You can think Artie, who’s much older than Adriana and was her boss, is a bit of a desperate creep weaponizing the power imbalance between the two of them, AND also think that Chris is emotionally unstable and abusive to Adriana (not to mention an addict that accidentally killed her dog) and that she should get away from him. It’s not an either/or situation. Why on earth should Adriana’s options be limited to shitty people?
My Toasty Toast
2025-01-30 05:50:50 +0000 UTCL&M can be so self-contradictory that they could be characters in The Sopranos. On one hand, they are desperate for Adriana to leave Chris, hate the idea of them being together, don't want them to get married, with Milena here saying "I wanna physically drag her out of that relationship". On the other hand, when Artie made a move in s3, merely holding her hand and asking her "marriage is a big step, are you sure about this?" they poured scorn on him, and have despised him ever since. After his marriage was publicly declared as finished, he made a move in the most low-pressure, non-coercive way possible, just giving her another option. She rejected his advance, and that was the end of it. L&M treat Adriana as if she's the little dog Cosette, just a helpless creature without any agency, being sat on and suffocated by her life with Chris. She's chosen this every step of the way, gleefully receiving all the benefits of the mob. Her relatives were gangsters and she knows exactly what is going on. Her mother tried to protect her and guide her away from Chris but Ade ignored her. When a regular non-criminal non-abusive guy tried to give her an option, L&M hate him for it. Try to realise that Adriana is at least a tiny bit responsible for her own life choices and has put herself in the position she's in. Edit: To clarify for those who should stay away from the penguin exhibit, I'm not saying that Ade should have got together with Artie, or that her choices "should be limited to shitty people". I'm saying that LM's disgust with Artie is unfounded, as he didn't do anything wrong, and in the context of Ade's terrible relationship with Chris — a relationship which LM desperately want Ade to get out of — it was yet another off-ramp. They treat Adriana with 100% sympathy and 0% accountability as though she's not responsible for her own decisions. When Carmela almost had an affair with Vic Musto (who is similar to Artie in that he's an honest regular working guy), they were giddy with excitement at the possibility of Carm finding a better man than Tony. L&M have really great discussions and analysis of the show, but when it comes to the man/woman thing they can be very black and white, when all the main characters are richly detailed and morally compromised.
Abacus
2025-01-30 05:29:58 +0000 UTCAnimals are better than humans but I care for humans too unless they are toxic and animal abusers who laugh at animal suffering or if they hate and attack God.
Varus
2025-01-30 05:24:47 +0000 UTC“no one’s attacking you” *scene ends with them kicking the shit out of him* Gangsters trying to do an intervention is just.. rich. Of course it ended with a beating. Chris essentially being told that he’ll be killed if he doesn’t get clean was crazy, even if it’s expected considering the situation. He’ll never even be able to be honest about what pushed him to using drugs in the first place because it would expose the life he lives. And that would result in Tony killing him. He never stood a chance. The only person that has EVER been on chris’ side, like actually interested in his well-being with no nefarious intentions attached, is ADRIANA! Even tony doesn’t give a fuck that he’s using, he only cares that it might ruin his plans to groom him. “Please don’t hurt him” she says with the black eye he gave her. Broke my heart. She deserves so much better than Chris.
jweher
2025-01-30 05:14:16 +0000 UTCI have no idea as to why you guys were making fun of Junior when he asked Tony to get rid of Chrissy. He was dead right. I also partially disagreed with your interpretation of the intervention. The makers of the show are pointing out to hypocrisy not only within the confines of the show but also of people in their day to day. Friends have intervention for their other friend all the time when they have so many things to correct about themselves.
Karan Verma
2025-01-30 04:32:28 +0000 UTCIt's bizarre to think about it, but the FBI -- "the enemy" -- are the ones who start Chris's rehab journey and the first ones to push the idea to Adriana. Their motivation is very self-serving, since if Chris overdoses or screws up and gets kicked out/exiled they will lose their access to information through Adriana. But no matter what their reasons are, they're getting brochures and recommendations while all of his supposed friends and family are either in denial or actively scornful. Right now, his biggest supporters are the people who want to exploit him. Svetlana in many ways embodies the ideal type of man that Tony wants to be. But no matter how often he SAYS what a man should be like, he always gets further and further away from that ideal.
JBK405
2025-01-30 03:49:09 +0000 UTCSad piece of trivia. Chris tells Tony that the way he eats he's gonna get a heart attack by the time he's 50. James Gandolfini, the actor who plays Tony Soprano died of a heart attack at the age of 51. There is another bit of foreshadowing in that exchange, but we'll leave that for another day.
Karan Verma
2025-01-30 03:32:54 +0000 UTCIt seems like everyone is the same way these days as Tony with animals. In reaction videos for instance. It seems like everytime an animal and a human are in a deadly scene together the reacters only care about the animal getting hurt. I'm shocked ya'll don't look at it this way. Especially this generation.
daron85
2025-01-30 02:21:30 +0000 UTCDespite all the awful shit he has done, I still have a soft spot for Chrissy, but it’s undeniable that not only he deserved that beating but NEEDED it. On the other hand, it’s sad to see how he has literally no good role models in his life and the intervention portrays that fact perfectly: dude is literally surrounded and being judged by people that are objectively worse than he is (except Ade), even his mother is also an alcoholic and partially responsible for his disease, yet this is supposed to be his safety net. His father figure is literally Tony Soprano for God’s sake.
Gaboxxy
2025-01-30 02:14:20 +0000 UTCThis is a very rough episode for Adriana. Drea de Matteo doesn't get enough credit for her performance.
Damien Fenton
2025-01-30 00:46:30 +0000 UTCIntervention scene is legitimately one of the best on the whole show. Hilarious, lol. I'm sure someone mentioned already, but you have to react to Goodfellas, only after you watched all of Sopranos. That movie and this show feel like the same universe almost.
mbds
2025-01-30 00:43:42 +0000 UTCI wince every time I watch this episode and see Chris saying that Tony will probably be dead by 50 because Gandolfini was only 51 when he died.
Damien Fenton
2025-01-30 00:43:18 +0000 UTCI was literally wondering a minute ago where the edited version was and I clicked the Patreon app to see and this immediately popped up lol thank you.
Elijah Glory
2025-01-30 00:18:31 +0000 UTC
