The Vampire Diaries 4x1 'Growing Pains' EXTRA Early Access/Watchalong
Added 2024-09-16 01:05:45 +0000 UTCElena has a very serious decision to make about her future while Bonnie tries her best to find her a solution. Klaus finally returns to his body and there's a new pastor in town who seems to know everything.. Make sure to drop a like if you're enjoying our The Vampire Diaries reactions!
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i hate how people like to shit talk damon and act like stefan is a saint, its so frustrating
Mickey Ross
2024-10-08 23:43:46 +0000 UTCStelena fan forever here. I think the Damon meeting Elena first will come more into play. But honestly, on reaction watches, I usually skip s4 and 5 and hop back in in s6
Amanda Winner
2024-10-01 15:58:27 +0000 UTCPeople here writing dissertations in the comments about this show in 2024 is W I L D. Seriously, it is just not that deep. Who TF cares if people 10 years ago or even now like the FICTIONAL CHARACTER of Damon?! You don’t like him? Ok cool, move on. I cannot for the life of me understand why people are needing to come here and rip him to shreds other than just for the sake of morality policing. Like, if you care so much about these issues that you claim the show is so heinously ignoring/mishandling then 1) DON’T FKING WATCH IT and 2) try doing something that’s actually meaningful about it besides whining in a comment section?! 🤯 I never write comments like this but it really had to be said.
scarr
2024-09-29 04:10:10 +0000 UTCtbh sounds to me like bad writing, realistically if stefan can pull open a door under water he can snap a seatbelt and elena could swim out. Though tvd has a tendency to have plot holes, plot armor and forgetting it's own lore
mya
2024-09-23 20:40:57 +0000 UTCevery time i watch these episodes, I continue to not understand why people ship delena. He literally is hearing her cry that she doesn't want to be a vampire then tells her in her face she needs to get over it & feed
mya
2024-09-23 20:33:29 +0000 UTCRight?? They should have had Jeremy in the car if they wanted to make it a parallel. I get that Matt is her friend but Jeremy is her family. It would have made Stefan's choice to save Jeremy before Elena a lot more sense. Stefan loves his brother so he would understand. The whole thing just annoyed me.
Caroline
2024-09-22 01:03:19 +0000 UTCi guess selfish is the wrong word, more cowardly. Stefan never wants to upset elena even in DEATH😭 And it’s a strong quality, but the writer went to far with it in my opinion. Also i do agree this was a cheap way, they wanted to do a parallel for shock factor but idk i find it VERY hard to believe stefan would let elena die in this scenario
bateman bookworm
2024-09-21 21:10:21 +0000 UTCSAME😉😉
Namjoon'sWife
2024-09-21 19:50:09 +0000 UTCI mean if he REALLY wanted to tell her he could have. And I think everyone agrees that what Damon did was rape.
Heida
2024-09-21 04:15:56 +0000 UTCBut how would Elena hate Stefan if she is died? Stefan would never know how she really felt about it if she actually died. So i don't think that makes sense at all. What Stefan did was not selfish, was it stupid? yes, but not selfish. This whole storyline is beyond stupid and shows how little imagination the writers had. I am sure they could have found other ways to kill Elena and make her a vampire.
Caroline
2024-09-20 19:15:57 +0000 UTCthe thing is, i understand damon’s frustration. Putting morality aside, not saving the love of your life is bonkers to me. And stefan definitely regrets it lol. Respecting her choice is something stefan prioritizes, but when it comes to DEATH u can be selfish. I actually think it’s also selfish that stefan basically let elena die just so she wouldn’t hate him for it. Like if it was me i would save the love of my life, and even if they didn’t love me after it would be okay. Because they would be alive. Stefan didn’t know she had vamp blood, and he’s lucky she did. Even if elena says she wants to die, she doesn’t really, or else she would not complete the transition. I think elena needs to be more understanding to the boys over their anger or guilt. Imagine it was stefan or lexi in the car. Would elena really choose lexi and left stefan to die? it just seems way too “morality police” to me rather than being human and being selfish during life and death. Matt is the real victim💀he didn’t do anything wrong lol, but everything is blown out of proportion when it comes to vampires😭
bateman bookworm
2024-09-20 17:08:02 +0000 UTCBy far 😭
Halima
2024-09-20 17:05:55 +0000 UTCCertainly not as good as the previous seasons but S5 is the worst
VD
2024-09-20 10:17:16 +0000 UTCyoure 100% right
bella
2024-09-20 09:06:19 +0000 UTC@Bella I just think he’s creepy for all the things you mentioned. Some of the weird comments he’d make obviously made some of the women on the show uncomfortable like the threesome comment in that one interview and you’re right about his racism…the huge weird back and forth with Paul because Paul is Anti-Trump and those comments he made regarding Kat being biracial and sticking his nose in a place that it didn’t belong when fans were clearly just pushing back at Julie for her weird tweets about why Bonnie doesn’t have a story as developed as the other female characters and yeah..his extremely offensive asian jokes and his social media activity around the Covid-19 pandemic. The guy is gross lol. I guess that’s why he was the perfect Warner…just so ew.
Ash 💕
2024-09-20 06:37:35 +0000 UTCthose are false information about him being weird to the girls in a creep way, fans made those assumptions and fans believed for years but no proof. Those videos are people making subtitles on gestures etc. Nina and Matt Davis were close on set, you can find every post on her instagram with him and her captions w "love you buddy." You can even find her pranking him on set. She was never uncomfortable with him. NOW, what actually happened is he is a racist man.🤢🤢 Thats actually true and thats what made legacies cast uncomfortable aka Kaylee, he made offensive asian jokes. His support for trump/republicans is what made Paul Wesley have twitter beef with him but Paul has said they made up and everything is fine.
bella
2024-09-20 02:50:11 +0000 UTC@Heida There are a lot of youtube videos showing and explaining what happened to Kat Graham. Obviously we will never know if any of it is true (except for the things with Julie and the man that played Alaric) until Kat herself says something.
Caroline
2024-09-19 11:58:35 +0000 UTCWhere did you hear that about Zach (Matt)? I've never heard anything but good things about him.
Heida
2024-09-19 04:56:05 +0000 UTCAgree on everything you said!!!
Heida
2024-09-19 04:55:31 +0000 UTCthis season feels so different than the rest! gets so wild so fast so hype to watch along with y'all!
Anna Blackberry
2024-09-19 02:00:48 +0000 UTC@Ash Yes, i agree with everything you said! It was apparently not just the guy who played Alaric but also the guy who played Matt, who where very weird towards the girls specially Kat. The fact that Julie kept these gross men on in the series, should show how awful she was/is. I don't think Paul and Ian where ever like that but who knows really.
Caroline
2024-09-18 19:24:16 +0000 UTCHe did try to tell her. She physically didn't let him by shutting him up with a kiss. But if we take your point in consideration, then surely what Damon did to her in Season 1 is rape?
VD
2024-09-17 20:28:47 +0000 UTC@Caroline This! I agree all of this. Like with Julie, you could see that it was almost like she was writing her fantasies for these a few of these female characters. That’s why sometimes TVD comes off as fan fiction sometimes…the first two seasons were fine but then I started being like ? in the third season. Clearly, they did see themselves in Elena, Rebekah, Caroline and in return, Bonnie who should be a major character on this show with a well developed story, often feels like a side character who is just meant to help the vampires at the drop of a hat. This is supposed to be Elena and Stefan’s story and Bonnie is Elena’s bestest friend and Bonnie is also the glue that holds the supernatural world in order. Outside of Elena, she’s literally the most important female character on the show. Elena is the female lead and then it should have been Bonnie prioritized after Elena as a character based on everything we know about witches. Those interviews were so weird to watch and then the weirdness from Matthew Davis. Ew I never liked Alaric and it’s probably a combination of his writing and also that character being played by Davis. So many of the cast interviews are uncomfortable once the interviewer starts asking the writers like Julie and Caroline about Bonnie and why they keep abandoning her character in every sense of the word. They would be so annoyed by Kat wanting to progress her story and have more focus on her character…have some love interests. Kat is so gorgeous. As soon as she’s on screen, you want to look at her. She is absolutely the most stunning, imo, in a cast of beautiful women and they couldn’t give her character some substantial romances? They always made it seem like “Oh no Bonnie can’t possibly be with any of these white male characters” 🙄. Beremy, now that I’m thinking about it, was cute for a little while but sudden and feels just like a oh here thing for Bonnie. Especially after the cheating with ghost thing. I love how Jeremy cares about Bonnie’s wellbeing though. That’s a positive. Bonnie barely interacts with any male character outside of Stefan and Damon and then they completely erased this best friend arc that was developing in season 1 between Bonnie and Stefan. They dropped the ball on her friendships and relationships. She should have been at the Mikaelson Ball interacting with everyone. Every actor on that show was advocating for a romantic relationship between their characters and Bonnie. Kat and a few of the female cast mates were even down for pairing. I feel like there’s so many pairings and side pairings in this show and we are only on season 3. Somehow the only interest Bonnie got was from Jeremy who they wrote to cheat on Bonnie with a ghost ? Anna was brought back because she was a fan favorite and of course they’d use that instance to put a dagger in Bonnie’s only romance..well and then there’s Jamie who they just threw into the mix without any build up. He just shows up again in “Do Not Go Gentle” and then gone which I assume to be forever. I love how Kat always advocated for her character despite the constant pushback by the writers and even some weird fans. Every excuse the writers gave was bs. We know what the actual deal which was everything you detailed. I mean Bonnie didn’t even seem to have the same clothing budget as the other female characters. It’s like they dressed her down (tried to). I feel like she wore the same outfit all three seasons. Kat had to deal with a lot because even some of the fans would be extremely racist towards Bonnie as a character as well. The height of TVD was something else. I think that was when I was randomly catching episodes on TV but I don’t think I’ve seen any episode from s4 onward…outside of episode 1 just a few days ago lol.
Ash 💕
2024-09-17 19:50:17 +0000 UTC@Cindy I’m so glad I’m not the only one who feels this way. The writing is very forward in its sloppiness in TVD. So many plot holes and random additions added to appease certain viewers instead of consistent genuine storytelling. It’s such a pet peeve when it’s like right in your face. I watched The Walking dead as well and stuck around off and on until the final season (still didn’t finish the second half of the final season) but phew…I felt like random people could have been better writers on the show. There was a sharp shift in quality halfway through the series.
Ash 💕
2024-09-17 19:08:48 +0000 UTCi mean whether they were thinking of it or not it was still sexual assault and it makes me uncomfortable. there are tons of shows with drama that is still fun and doesnt involve SA and when it does its taken seriously, as it should be. the tvd writers couldve found another way to make klaroline make out instead of going this route and almost making fun of it by having klaus say he was ''a helpless victim''. the way they act like it was just a silly little thing leaves me feeling weird, i dont like it
j-l
2024-09-17 03:59:13 +0000 UTCAs Bryce said in the reaction...it depends on the type of man you want. What might be right for you may not be right for someone else. Personally, I love both Stefan and Damon. However, I'd choose the man who put me first even if I didn't necessarily agree. That's because I'd do the same for him. For me, that's love and caring. Of course I don't want an SO to completely ignore my wishes all the time. But, in certain cases, if it is actually in my best interest then yeah. For me it's also the difference between emotionless decisions and decisions made with emotional attachment. Sure, perhaps Stefan is making the best logical choice. But Damon is making the choice with his gut and heart. But that also doesn't mean either approach is "wrong." It just means we all have different preferences. And that's the thing...I love her with Stefan and Damon both. Both relationships have something special. I'm actually glad I feel this way. I can't imagine watching the show and hating her with one of the brothers! That would be pretty frustrating I'd imagine.
Terri
2024-09-17 03:34:18 +0000 UTCcant wait for 4x4
valentina
2024-09-17 03:29:21 +0000 UTCIt's different because TV shows back then used to write for DRAMA rather than morals. It was drama to have Klaus and Caroline finally make out, but to do it in Tyler's body. They weren't thinking about sexual assult. Laying real life morals into TV shows is a fairly recent thing and imo has made shows pretty boring to watch. There is a reason reactors always react to these big shows from earlier eras. There was a reason they were popular. Now, shows are so sanitized that it's like watching reality TV, but if it were real. Honestly I can't sit through most modern shows.
Terri
2024-09-17 03:28:27 +0000 UTC@Ash yes, i remember the interviews and how they treated Kat Graham. It was horrible to watch, specially when you look at how defeated Kat looked. It's obvious that Julie and Caroline(another writer on the show) saw themselfs in Elena(Caroline, Rebekah etc) and wanted Ian/Damon to be with a white girl and would never consider Bonnie/any other race. It was not only Ian as you said, it was literally every other white man on that show except Jeremy and he cheated on her.. on Bonnie Bennett!!? Kat Graham was the most beautiful girl on that show and they stuck her with Jeremy and her maybe brother Jamie. Like it made no sense. I'm not sure when Kevin left but i don't think he was much better then Julie when it came to Ian.
Caroline
2024-09-17 03:06:45 +0000 UTCI remember only watching a handful of episodes when the show originally aired and just gave up on it. When the guys announced they were going to start reacting to it, I was very surprised as they would always say they only wanted to react to shows that were no more than 3 or 4 seasons long. I watched their first few reactions and still, for the life of me, could not get into the show. I have just never cared for Damon or Ian. Both the character and the actor have always rubbed me the wrong way (and I am almost always right about my gut instinct about people). I stopped subscribing to this patreon for a while and resubscribed this month, so as I was scrolling for new content, I happened to see your post and found myself agreeing with so many points despite only watching a very small portion of this show. It was clear even to me as a non-viewer that so much of the writing was indeed fan service. Same thing happened on The Walking Dead and I just can’t with sloppy writing.
Cindy S.
2024-09-17 02:18:20 +0000 UTCi need more asapppp
claudia
2024-09-17 02:03:58 +0000 UTC💯 agree with you! Stefan is the most compelling character on the show by far! TVD is his story and I found the switch towards Damon to be so obnoxious.
Stina
2024-09-17 01:15:05 +0000 UTC@Caroline I’ve watched so many interviews recently as well/rewatched them now that I’m finally watching every episode, and you’re right. She’s obsessed with Ian. I’m not sure when Kevin Williamson left the show but from what I’ve read about the show so far, he was gone by now? I think that’s why there’s such a sudden shift in the show and I mean sudden. It’s clear that Damon is being pushed as the leading male character and that’s mostly because of her obsession with Ian. It’s why she was so willing to provide Dan service. It’s nothing against Ian because I really like him as an actor and I enjoy his work on other shows. He’s also the perfect Damon. Ian is very attractive but I always thought Paul was the star of the show. He captures the screen. Paul’s portrayal of Stefan is top tier…he has always been the one 🤭. I agree, even if Ian was more my speed, I wouldn’t find his character any less insufferable. I also view it as Stefan’s story because that’s what this show set up from the beginning with the diaries…with everything. It’s supposed to be his story so seeing this shift also makes me dislike Damon even more as a character. Damon is so insufferable. He’s one of the most annoying characters in any show. Making it worse, yeah Julie was absolutely nasty towards Kat Graham. Her and the other writer who would be in interviews and on comic con panels. They would dismiss Kat’s suggestions for her character and make it seem like these male characters are too good for Bonnie. Even the male actors would suggest things related to Bonnie’s story and theirs and she was always against everything🙄. Her and the other writer were absolutely disgusting towards her in every interview I’ve seen with interaction between Kat. I remember some of these weird tweets by Julie as well. Just a weird woman whose hate for Bonnie absolutely stems from racism. I love the Stefan/Paul appreciation. I feel like it’s so rare for some reason even though I do see more of it. He’s such a great character so it’s definitely well deserved. I’ll keep watching. I do want to see it through to the end of the show but the 🙄 moments are getting more frequent lol.
Ash 💕
2024-09-17 01:09:52 +0000 UTC@Riley Thank you for answering my question. I’ll keep watching because I do want to see how of these stories progress. I hope season 4 makes up for some of my feelings toward the direction of the show.
Ash 💕
2024-09-17 01:08:55 +0000 UTCI love Stefan, so for me season 4 is worth the watch. I agree with everything you said. After seeing interviews with Julie Plec and Ian, it's clear that Julie had a weird obsession with that man. It was not just a fan service thing. Her hate/racism for Bonnie and her obsessiveness with Ian is very clear throughout the show. For me personally, Paul is more my type than Ian is but even if Ian was my type i don't think that would make me like Damon more. I always felt like this was Stefans story so them pushing him aside for Damon made maybe dislike Damon even more. I do see that there is more people now that love Stefan then what i saw when it first came out. A lot of new reactor love his character which is such a breath of fresh air. It's what he deserves.
Caroline
2024-09-16 23:46:35 +0000 UTCTVD is one of my favorite shows, I’ve seen it through to the end many times, and I can’t disagree with anything you said. I agree that Stefan as a character is underrated, and that Damon is glorified. Your frustration is valid! In my opinion, it’s definitely still worth watching. We will learn things that might help bridge some of those gaps and make sense of the relationship dynamics at play.
Lee
2024-09-16 23:19:17 +0000 UTCUr absolutely right, the way Damon is acting is showing her/us why they don't fit and why she would never choose him. If they would have stuck to just the flashbacks and not have Damon being a dick then it would have shown some growth on his part but no, of course he has to be a little bitch. He could have tried being nice to Elena who just died. He says he loves her but makes her feel even worse for wanting her friend to live. Im sorry but attacking Matt for living is beyond selfish and it's not just Damon, it's Stefan too. I get they are both mad but come on it's not Matt's fault. I still wish the writers would have switched Matt for Jeremy because that would have made this make so much more sense. Matt is an ok character but him dying wouldn't really matter as much as if Jeremy would have died. I feel like Jeremy would have just ran straight through Rebekah instead of going in to the water because she is you know.. a vamp.. The whole thing is so stupid to me. anyways, great reaction!
Caroline
2024-09-16 22:03:11 +0000 UTCThis will be a long comment. Where do I begin? Honestly, as a first time viewer (thoroughly)…I have to admit that while I loved the seasons 1-2 and really enjoyed season 3, I am admittedly losing interest as the show progresses. I’m not a fan of a show that destroys character development and archetypes and then destroys it with terrible writing servicing popularity and not great storytelling. It seems that by season 4, it’s increasingly clear that the writers are writing solely for Damon stan satisfaction. Elena chooses Stefan and that makes all the sense in the world considering the build up of these two characters for multiple seasons. The show set up that there’s a connection larger than themselves and that their love story is destined. It’s why we get Elena telling Stefan “We have history together” in the pilot episode. It’s a smart way to reference her connection to this soon to be figure in the show, Katherine, as well as play on the fact that Stefan and her meeting is a destined encounter that’s deeper than Elena’s physical similarities to Katherine. It’s set up that Stefan was drawn back to Mystic Falls because he was supposed to meet Elena. Between them, it is established that the magnetism they feel toward each other is based on fate.. history..unchallengeable connection that’s instantaneous in this show’s universe. That’s exactly why I can’t buy that Damon meets Elena first. It completely disregards what was set up since the pilot episode and after. The writing doesn’t make a bit of sense given Damon’s character traits that were established for multiple seasons as well and how he treated Elena. The love triangle was somewhat amusing or interesting for maybe a season, but having this go on for longer than a season is annoying. A show is ruined when there’s this need to satisfy a fandom while not crafting creative and well written dialogue. Setting up that Damon meets Elena first is merely fan service that doesn’t benefit the story. It feels out of place. Damon who spent until season 2 being in love with Katherine, magically fell in love with Elena in between his obsession with getting Katherine out the tomb that he thought she was in? I’m an adult now so maybe I’m viewing this show out of mature eyes…but even as a minor, I could not for the life of me, understand the absolute crazed fandom that a character like Damon had and still has. Lol it blows my mind that a character as toxic and abusive as he is, has such a stronghold on the writers and the fans…to the point that an entire show changes just to place more importance on him. Damon is being pushed as the male lead instead of Stefan which in return, feels like a different show. Since the pilot episode, there was this intense chemistry between Paul and Nina. In my opinion, their chemistry jumps off the screen. I know that for a period, Nina and Ian were dating and you’d imagine they would have more chemistry on screen but I don’t think they do. There’s something about Paul and Nina in shared scenes. Amazing chemistry and the reason that I initially became so interested in their characters love story. I think their chemistry is often disregarded because most of viewers who love TVD, are caught up in Damon because Ian acts with his eyebrows and because he has insanely blue eyes lmao. His funny faces and eyebrow acting was enough to make people go wild so it seems. Nothing against the acting because Ian’s acting perfectly captures the essence of Damon as a completely loathful character. I can’t imagine anyone else playing him as perfectly. It’s actually unfortunate that we have this ongoing back and forth with Elena and Damon even though she chose Stefan. Her choosing Stefan because she’s in love with him should have been such an exciting moment for Stefan and Elena’s love story but fan service turned the finale and this episode into a roadmap of supposed character “development” for Damon. Him saying he would have saved her, is not romantic in this context. It’s a classic example of how selfish he is. A narcissistic character that only caters to what will serve his best interests. The dynamic between Damon and Elena is one where Damon is the driver of her life. Him disregarding Matt and also selfishlessly admitting to refusing to acknowledge Elena’s right to have domain over her own life, is exactly why it’s so confusing why his character is so popular. Popular enough to the point where I wonder if I’m watching the same show as others. In contrast, Stefan has always prioritized Elena’s autonomy. He’d die for the people he love and it’s a purposeful parallel between him and Elena. He doesn’t feel responsible to choose for her and acknowledges the importance in Elena controlling her destiny. Based on the established core characteristics of Elena as a character, she wouldn’t be able to live with the guilt of losing Matt because her life was considered more valuable. For Stefan, it would have been the ultimate sacrifice to lose Elena if she didn’t have vampire blood in her system, but it also proves that he doesn’t see Elena as an object that’s there to benefit his love for her or benefit him in any way for totally selfish reasons. He respected her wish without acting on the selfish act of denying her a choice due to undying love. The bridge scene in the finale, is another parallel of their shared character traits. Elena would rather die than create a choice between her life and the life of a loved one and Stefan would sacrifice a life without the woman he loves because SHE didn’t want Matt’s life to be a sacrifice for hers. I’ll say it again, Stefan suffers from the “moral vampires are boring” syndrome. Apparently, the problem with Stefan is that he maintains a level of humanity that creates this closeness to humanness. Although he’s not perfect, he tries to attach himself to elements of being human rather than a complete acceptance of the monstrosity of vampirism. It’s interesting how the hero of the series with great qualities that’s easy to root for in a drama of this nature, is less popular than the character that’s written as an impulsive vampire who indulges in being in proximity to the word villain, snapped the neck of the woman he “loves” brother, and also sexually assaulted Caroline which seems to be weirdly common in this series for some reason like the Klaus in Tyler’s body thing. Instead of trying to make Damon the “Stefan” of the series, they can still develop his character without erasing the development of Stefan and his relationship with Elena. I remember when Delena stans would send death threats to Julie Plec and it must have started around season 3 because clearly, that woman was scared for her life lmao. She said here y’all go, damn! You can tell she loved writing for Ian 🙄. I’m pro character development for Damon but not pro rebrand that’s trying to appeal to certain viewers. You can develop a character but it has to be a process. Damon’s “development” is always sudden and dependent on Elena giving him what he wants. I don’t consider that development. Every sudden change in characteristic for Damon is only done to create a possibility for Delena. It’s never dependent solely on his character and then it’s always wiped away when Damon reverts back to who he is at his core: a mild villain. I guess it’s because it’s not a dedicated process for him…just a way to satisfy fans who stan him. It’s weird…you’d think that a very attractive actor playing a guy like Stefan would be very popular with viewers. A hot vampire character who wants to do good…is a good guy and has all the qualities that you look for in a character to root for but I guess not. Honestly shocked at how few Stelena girlies there are in comparison. Stefan and Elena’s story is one of the best aspects of this show along with Bonnie. Without spoiling anything, do y’all think season 4 and onward is worth the watch? (For those who have seen the show throughout)
Ash 💕
2024-09-16 21:57:59 +0000 UTCS4 is so ass (in my opinion!) until like halfway through, I’m so glad I have these reactions to get me through it 😌
Halima
2024-09-16 18:07:11 +0000 UTCIt doesn't matter if you, or in this case Damon or Stefan, think it's right. It's HER choice.
Heida
2024-09-16 16:57:47 +0000 UTCyou guys are spoiling us !!!!!! 🫶🏻
karly
2024-09-16 10:37:33 +0000 UTCthank you for bringing up Klaus SA care. Another reason when I got older I realized the writers were crazy enough to do anything to please the klaroline fans at the time who were also a big fan group. They rather put SA scenes, ruin characters like Tyler and rather make no sense just to have klaroline scenes. They literally only put Klaus in Tyler's body just for this scene I bet. No way Caroline would cheat on Tyler for Klaus.
bella
2024-09-16 09:26:09 +0000 UTCI love parts of season 4 but it does head into different aspect of the show starting from s4 and so on. Make sure to capture the details this season as this season brings up a lot of information that's need throughout the rest of the season. For most people they don't enjoy s4 due to many changes but there's a lot of good moments and intense moments. I also get why some dont like certain changes in s4 but mainly now that the main girl is a vampire forced to grow up with an even more controlled life, to be hidden, to be restricted from the human life, more intense with emotions and personality traits changing with becoming a whole new person. We seen Caroline embrace the vampire side and in a way she prefers it. It will be interesting to see someone like Elena come to terms with being a vampire. Being a doppelgänger for Elena was always being a target for rituals, spells, and being human also meant always needed to be protected by your supernatural friends and feeling like she couldn't do anything esp to save them. I cant wait to see how you guys react to Elena now being able to protect herself, how she navigates being a vampire, her new strength, and officially being part of the chaotic side of the supernatural group. This changes everything.
bella
2024-09-16 09:05:24 +0000 UTCElena would never leave Jeremy alone. She's his only family member being vampire doesn't mean as much as leaving jere
bella
2024-09-16 09:01:25 +0000 UTCthe writers were fan service the hell out of klaroline to the point where they limited Tyler and pushed him aside. To the point where klaroline doesn't make sense and to the point of SA CARE AGAIN
bella
2024-09-16 09:00:35 +0000 UTCI don't really care for season 4 but this is about to be an interesting watch
aalliyah
2024-09-16 07:35:42 +0000 UTCsometimes in relationships, u need to take the selfish route if it’s in the best interest of your specific other. which personally is why i think damon is perfect for elena. he respects and loves her but he also challenges her and doesn’t let her make irrational decisions like this one. cus look where it got her; turning into the one thing she never wanted to be. put this in a realistic perspective, most of us would save our specific other over a friend even if our specific other begged us not to. that’s just how we’re wired when it comes to emotional attachment.
luna
2024-09-16 07:19:20 +0000 UTCI disagree. Just the fact that he would go against Elena's wishes proves to me why they would never work. And while one could argue that what Stefan did was actually selfish because he knew she would never forgive him, he didn't save Matt for that reason. He just loves and respects her enough to put her wants above his own.
Heida
2024-09-16 06:49:48 +0000 UTCI mean, wouldn't most people do the same? It's not like she was suicidal. But I think she would rather die if it was just her but she was probably also thinking about Jeremy and her friends who would be left behind. While Caroline's dad had no one since he didn't want anything to do with her as a vampire (and wanted her to die).
Heida
2024-09-16 06:47:40 +0000 UTCYou guys are awesome. Thank you!
Terri
2024-09-16 06:42:41 +0000 UTCGod I absolutely HATE Damon in this episode. The way he's treating Matt is despicable. No matter how he feels, telling someone they should have died and they're basically a waste of space is horrible. Imagine if that person was suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts? I guess I should give him pointers for at least admitting how selfish he's being but just the fact that he would go against Elena's wishes proves to me why they would never work. And while one could argue that what Stefan did was actually selfish because he knew she would never forgive him, he didn't save Matt for that reason. He just loves and respects her enough to put her wants above his own. I love the Stelena scene when they're in the cages after they've been captured and Elena tells him she chose him. I also love that we get to see Rebekah's reaction, which is what makes her decide to help them, because the one thing she's always wanted is to find true love. Her story is truly tragic, as is Klaus's, but unlike Klaus, Rebekah has always been loyal to her family NO MATTER WHAT. I love when we get to see vulnerable moments of her. Also, what is it about men and consent on this show? Klaus literally sexually assaulted Caroline (who was also assaulted by Damon in S1!!) by making out with her when she thought he was Tyler. That is so disgusting. And the thing with grams just means to me that she is in pain (or it looks like it) in the afterlife when Bonnie uses dark magic.
Heida
2024-09-16 06:40:20 +0000 UTCIt is so funny Elena made a big deal about wanting to stay human. She made a big deal about never wanting to be a vampire. If given the option she would rather die. She could’ve stood on business and spent the day saying her goodbyes, but when it came down to the wire she chose to feed. Caroline’s father was garbage, but I respect the fact that when he said he didn’t want to be a vampire and would rather die, he meant it. Then again, the plot has to keep advancing. 🤣
NS
2024-09-16 05:14:50 +0000 UTCThe writers must've been on something because that is so fucked up....Caroline, Matt, and Bonnie are always getting the worst of the worst 💀
Apoka
2024-09-16 04:21:52 +0000 UTC"What is this priest detective?" Lol, Rob. Bryce, there’s no point in questioning the lore in this show there are plot holes all over the place. I love your protectiveness over Rebekah. “Wrong equipment.” Do you think he took a peek down there, lmao Zuff.
Cristy
2024-09-16 03:14:53 +0000 UTCklaus not telling caroline hes in tylers body so he can sleep with her is one of the reasons i will never ship klaroline like thats literally sexual assault😭
j-l
2024-09-16 02:59:45 +0000 UTCthe reason why damon tried to stake Rebekah is because she was the reason elena was killed. He hates her for doing that to elena.
Amber Augustine
2024-09-16 02:20:13 +0000 UTCNot today, G&G will move to a Tues/Thurs/Sat schedule with TVD coming back
Reel Time
2024-09-16 02:16:21 +0000 UTC“I would have saved you in a heartbeat, no question.” I just love that damon would protect her without any hesitation. He wants her to live the life she always wanted and grow up, instead of letting her die and become the thing she hates. I like that he doesn’t respect her decision to die. He loves her so much and would do anything for her to live, despite her wishes to die. This is why I think Damon is the better option for her. He loves her and wants her to be alive, even if she hates him for that. The kind of love is so powerful and it’s why I love damon.
Amber Augustine
2024-09-16 02:00:46 +0000 UTCI cried so hard when the highlight of Elena’s transition was the memories damon compelled away. I cried so hard when they showed damon confessing to elena how much he loved her in Elena’s perspective. The song in the back enhances this scene so beautifully.
Amber Augustine
2024-09-16 02:00:32 +0000 UTCno that was crazy 😭😭😭 like ouch
jaselle
2024-09-16 01:45:13 +0000 UTC"forever..IF I WANT" Elena why you gotta do my mans Stefan like that :(
bella
2024-09-16 01:24:42 +0000 UTC🥰
Diana
2024-09-16 01:22:40 +0000 UTCNO WAY we are so spoiled
Julia
2024-09-16 01:14:48 +0000 UTCyou guys are the best🥹 just want you three to know how appreciated you are!! you put so much into this channel and we love y’all sm🤍
paisley
2024-09-16 01:14:46 +0000 UTCLET'S FUCKING GOO!!🤪 Love u guys <3
I.H.W.T
2024-09-16 01:12:04 +0000 UTCWoah was not expecting this! TYSM! 🩷🫶🏿
NeneSays
2024-09-16 01:11:49 +0000 UTCIs there going to be a new episode of G&G today?
Navera
2024-09-16 01:11:37 +0000 UTCno way we got 5 tvd reactions this week omfg YALL ARE THE BEST
j-l
2024-09-16 01:10:12 +0000 UTCYou guys cooked so hard
Bura
2024-09-16 01:09:48 +0000 UTCyessss s4!!!
dai
2024-09-16 01:09:14 +0000 UTCloveeee season 4!!!!
collette
2024-09-16 01:08:50 +0000 UTCYAY
sierra victoria
2024-09-16 01:07:50 +0000 UTC
