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Pill Pod 54 - FIGHT NIGHT: Zizek vs. Deleuze II (Exclusive)

It's a long one. Is Deleuze for anarchists, fascists, or worst of all, for yuppies? What's "new" in politics? Will Victor be convinced to read Deleuze? All these questions and more will be tackled as Zizek stuffs hot dogs into Deleuze's pants and runs away.

Pill Pod 54 - FIGHT NIGHT: Zizek vs. Deleuze II (Exclusive)

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Idea for future episode: draw out and discuss the implications of what philosophers or thinkers or traditions various contemporary tech feudal lord's followed and read. Who/what were the philosophical underpinnings of saw Steve Jobs, whether those were there from the start or accumulated along the way. How does/did their affinity for certain thinkers mold their material actions and their consequences? Like, I'm just imagining Steve Jobs and the i-series as him having some deeper understanding of desire and of knowingly perfected the ultimate desire commodity. Like, that it wasn't even close to being a mistake or something stumbled upon, but the result of repeated attempts to refine the ideal commodity to capture desire.

ageOfBumFires

Eric on Met gala theme being "America" "Isn't that already the theme of everything?" Made me spit out my coffee lol.

ageOfBumFires

If Matt shortened his responses by like 20% the whole podcast would improve.

Mike Ramer

I think the idea of anarchism being a process (for me at least) is more about creating structures that can subvert hierarchical forms from arising and these structures having to adapt to the forces that may strive for hierarchy. (New to metaphysics and trying to play with it in regards to politics but this episode has been super fascinating!)

Akepa

There's some missing context to that. Matt's been on the hypothesis lately that Nietzsche was anti-poor, because the poor whine too much, when no one whines as much as the rich. What this hypothesis is missing, IMO, is that Nietzsche said Christianity wiped out the entire aristocratic table of values for everyone... so we just have resentment left on all sides. Though tbf if I remember that comment, wasn't it more along the lines "the rich are just as bad or worse", rather than "the poor are good and the rich are evil"?

Plastic Pills

Matt defending zizek’s nihilism with human nature discourse. Oh my. Also, as a poor, working class factory boy, the poor are equally as resentful and fear losing what they don’t have, and fear an other getting what they don’t get.

Zack Klug

The pre met gala commentary is 🍑

Zack Klug

It's not about novelty, it's about an actual, effective change, which history has shown has not really occurred for any oppressed minorities. It can be argued that the 'step in the right direction' is a slight capitulation on part of the state at best, something nice written on paper and technically into law in order to placate the civil rights movement, but in material reality, not only are black people are still incredibly disadvantaged socially, economically and politically, but through the prison system, you can see a modern form of slavery, where a majority black population have to work for almost nothing while making profits for large corporations. Another example of activist energy being coopted by the state, energy that then dissipates right before something truly revolutionary can take place. I personally don't see the point in making the effort to reform a thoroughly hopeless system which might make bigotry unacceptable on paper, but does not actually do away with it in practice. It's why sexism, racism, all the LGBTQphobias are still around, it's just not acceptable to be direct about it. And depending on who you are, you absolutely *can* be direct about it, as for example, Trump does. I mean, it's been over a 100 years since modern states started granting women the right to vote, and yet there isn't a single western country which has eliminated the gender pay gap. And was Syriza a step? Not only did they immediately capitulate to the neoliberal demands of the European Central Bank and used force to repress the protests that rightfully happened right after this happened, but the current ruling party that succeeded Syriza are even more reactionary in many ways. This is why I find myself agreeing more and more with Zizek's 'I would prefer not to' slogan, cause I think at this point the best that can be done is to try to educate people on systemic and ideological critique rather than wave placards in front of parliament buildings which will then be promptly ignored by the powerful anyway. If more people agitated for change that's radical rather than incremental, then maybe we could have at least a much better society than we have now: at the very least, one which isn't cooking itself alive through fossil fuel consumption.

anacidcommie

“The theme is America.” “Isn’t that the theme of everything?” LOL

Walker Goff


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