Revenge of the Object II: Hyperobjects (Video Exclusive)
Added 2023-09-13 01:09:52 +0000 UTCMore reflections on the subject/object binary, and whether or not it's fatal. Readings from Baudrillard Live: Selected Interviews and "At the End of the World, It’s Hyperobjects All the Way Down," wired.com.
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This reminds me of what Luhmann said about the distinction between modernity and postmodernity: "Is this, after all, a postmodern theory? Maybe, but then the adherents of postmodern conceptions will finally know what they are talking about. The deconstruction of our metaphysical tradition pursued by Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Derrida can be seen as a part of a much larger movement that looses the binding force of tradition and replaces unity with difference. The deconstruction of the ontological presupposition of metaphysics uproots our historical semantics in a most radical way. This seems to correspond to what I have called the catastrophe of modernity, the transition of one form of stability to another". He thought the difference is just semantics.
Dalia
2023-10-09 17:17:46 +0000 UTCHey Pills (or anyone here tbh) it would be cool if you could explain something to me. So the whole systems theory framework shows that we aren’t nearly as agentic as subjects as we think: we’re pushed and pulled by forces far larger than ourselves in systemic directions which cannot simply just be changed overnight. But at the same time, you and Baudrillard are saying that the masses are actively choosing to remain ignorant, actively choosing to be passive consumers, instead of taking a difficult, sober look at where we are and where we’re headed as a species, let alone making the decision to even try to do something about it. So which is it? I feel like there’s a glaring contradiction here, because on one hand the world, it’s objects and and social systems create a highly deterministic environment, but on the other the masses have agency and they choose to act as inert object for various reasons. The latter implies that if the masses had to actively choose to stop acting as such, then change is possible. Is the answer that change is possible, but it’s extremely difficult because of autopoeisis? Also, I’m glad you mentioned commodity fetishism, cause I came across the interesting take that OOO is just commodity fetishism several times online. But doesn’t this imply that in pre capitalist modes of production, such metaphysical properties did not apply to objects, and that this is a perspective unique to modernity?
anacidcommie
2023-10-04 08:01:25 +0000 UTCThose Ian Wright posts are pure 🔥
anacidcommie
2023-10-04 07:50:05 +0000 UTCTrying to re-read Ecstasy of Communication in a celebratory mode rather than a critical one. It’s a very Dionysian book.
Walker Goff
2023-09-20 12:24:09 +0000 UTCFatal Strategies and Ecstasy of Communication were amazing reads.
Walker Goff
2023-09-20 12:23:04 +0000 UTCA whitehead episode would be pretty cool!
Mike Ramer
2023-09-18 00:03:20 +0000 UTCPretty hyped to see the artwork in part 3... While my personal taste is expression > realism stylistically (eg. Schiele's linework), the wonder bread painting concept was dope, especially as an assemblage with youtube & pillpod. And the writing hidden in a foundation layer is an interesting idea (I'd guess bled across from photoshop) It would be handy to have a term for butting up against cognitive limitations, especially those we repeat in a loop to destruction. But IMO it's the way we cope with limitations that traps us rather than the specific information we lack (hyperobjects' unknowability)
Alex B
2023-09-14 09:28:52 +0000 UTCon the ancients understanding it better, that makes sense. Not having a distinction until recently between spiritual world / physical world - storms were agents/gods. in occult terminology Marx could be describing capital as functioning like an egregore. “Dark Marxism” is the phrase Ian Wright uses to refer to his work exploring these connections. At the same time these connections aren’t even “occult” connections perse but reflect long held beliefs by people of faith. The “ancients” understood that “mammon” or “money” had a seductive and ordering effect. And Jesus indicates as much in the New Testament. In Neil Gaiman‘s imagination in his “American God’s” series he personifies “modern gods” like “technology” and “media” alongside ancients like Odin etc.
Qoheleth
2023-09-14 04:03:25 +0000 UTCYou should come up with some Pillsian ironic neoneologisms. Examples I made: Neometaphysics (it's just metaphysics), Hyperhyperobjects (it's just hyperobjects [which are just objects]), Postdualism (it's just physicalism), Postphysicalism (it's just dualism), Aatheism (theism).
Ashley H
2023-09-14 01:34:01 +0000 UTCUp until now, I have liked Baudrillard's account of the fatal strategies and object's revenge. I guess that means some new chemical/material/virus will bring upon the end of capitalism, definitely not humans. I guess I will wait for this miraculous material in my bunker. But wait a minute. What if the material forms miraculously when someone naively initiates a revolution? I guess I'm being superstitious here.
TheUltimateBird
2023-09-13 19:09:55 +0000 UTCI had a dream last night that I was back in high school and a teacher tried to kill me and tbh he kinda looked like you
Ashley H
2023-09-13 04:24:54 +0000 UTCA critique of Bakhtin might be worthwhile too if you want to explore process metaphysics. On the screen (and revenge of the object), when I try to show a YouTube or Netflix clip, the screen censors it by going black.
Steve B
2023-09-13 01:50:07 +0000 UTC
