Pill Pod 151 - The End of History I: The Idea of History
Added 2024-01-06 21:25:49 +0000 UTCWe embark on the notion of the end of history by trying to figure out if we have an idea of history. This is mostly inspired by our reading of Fukyama's book (https://amzn.to/3tPo5Bt) but the series won't be limited to it.
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Socialswine
2024-01-28 08:19:03 +0000 UTCLol @socialswine was your comment sincere? Coming from you I thought it was sardonic and I think the other commenter thought so as wellπ
Plastic Pills
2024-01-27 17:35:46 +0000 UTCweird ass response
Socialswine
2024-01-27 17:09:00 +0000 UTCπ€£
JN
2024-01-27 09:48:16 +0000 UTCHegel wins because the end of history can itself be historicized.
Walker Goff
2024-01-16 22:01:34 +0000 UTCWalmart: you just gesture toward the Muzak wafting from nonexistent speakers above
Walker Goff
2024-01-16 21:56:38 +0000 UTCThe eighties and nineties par excellence
Walker Goff
2024-01-16 21:55:55 +0000 UTCHegelβs manuscripts on history are absolutely his easiest and best texts
Walker Goff
2024-01-16 21:54:23 +0000 UTCIs every episode of this podcast gonna be 40+ minutes of Victor saying "this isn't clear"? Even after you guys had the conversation about the falliability of his metaphoric language?
Jonas Ludvigsen
2024-01-15 19:10:36 +0000 UTCOr even Alberto Tosacano's latest book "Late Fascism"
Joey McAuley
2024-01-14 21:24:47 +0000 UTCI've been on this mf for like 4 years now and I still have no idea what a liberal is doing on a critical theory podcast. If I wanted to here lukewarm lib takes on sociopolitical issues, I'll go outside, thanks.
anacidcommie
2024-01-14 21:00:44 +0000 UTCNew year's resolution for Victor really should be to read Griffin or AdorK and actually understand what fascism is. I'd personally die of cringe if I was doing a PhD in political science and dismissed the idea of Trump and his diehard followers being part of a global fascist movement in the 21st century, especially in the context of all the other political gains the far right have been making in Europe of late.
anacidcommie
2024-01-14 20:57:37 +0000 UTCWhen Victor at around the one hour mark talks about the real changes that better people's lifes, as opposed to Grand Historical Narratives, isn't this the best explanation of the end of History that was given the whole episode? Isn't this exactly what the end of History is? No revolutions, no era-defining changes, no attempts to take History by it's reins (as would be the Hegelian call to arms, or the whole idea of the Enlightenment if you will), just an improved administration of the economy, better welfare, and so on. For me at least, who came to the idea of the end of History through Agamben, this is the formulaic definition: Instead of history; economy (from Greek: oikos nomos, law of the house, administration).
Johannes
2024-01-14 12:29:34 +0000 UTCEarly on it was mentioned that history follows certain laws, but no further elaboration. Perhaps an in-depth discussion of these laws can flesh out Victorβs discomfort with the notion of history.
Neil C
2024-01-13 01:15:40 +0000 UTCI think someone in the podcast said at some point, that according to Fukuyama liberal democracy is the best idea and that is what makes it the end of history, but actually i think thats wrong representation of the book. In the book very early on Fukuyama says he is not going to evaluate the ideology as good or bad, but just show reasons history tends towards it, which reminded me a lot of how a materialist would analyse capitalism, which I found a bit paradoxical. Also early in the book he says he is not happy with materialism as a framework, however, after that, with my amateur level of understanding, I feel he does quite a materialist argumentation for the progression towards liberalism at least in the first part (first after the introduction) where he discusses science as a driving force of history and explains how this need for scientific sophistication requires a whole class of specialists to emerge who eventually would require some liberal rules as well as speaking about "revolutionary ferment" developing in such societies, which again sounds a lot like burgeouis revolutionary class. In second part about thymos and democracy maybe he is not so materialist, but I found it paradoxically how first part was actually quite close to my understanding of how Marx would describe historical progress. Of course I am not confident at all in my amateur understanding of Marx, materialism or Fukuyama so happy to be shown where i might be wrong.
Nickolay Nickolov
2024-01-12 15:29:07 +0000 UTCNo variables No curiosity No seduction beyond money
Alex B
2024-01-12 11:40:29 +0000 UTCliking Victor more and more of late. He seems like a very good teacher.
Socialswine
2024-01-12 04:16:17 +0000 UTCExcellent explanation. Especially in the checkout line.
Tyler M
2024-01-10 11:15:05 +0000 UTCPerfect spot for the drunken weird aunt to emerge
Mapita
2024-01-10 07:18:10 +0000 UTCVictor is becoming more insufferable each episode. He seems to have issues with every concept that is being discussed. If he feels everything is so dumb, vague, unnecessary, etc. Why engage with theory anyways? Of course you dont NEED a theory of history to live your daily life, but you are on a podcast specifically to discuss one, either engage with the topic or don't participate on it. It is not even like he wants to "clarify" things, he must refuses to engage with any explanation of his own objections. Getting pretty tired of it
Federico Ivan Compean Revuelta
2024-01-09 00:53:26 +0000 UTCIf I had to explain the end of the history- There are no new operating systems, only endless updates. No new films, only reboots. No new games, only expansions. But, I don't think history is ended, just stagnant or like a dark age.
G. Harrison
2024-01-08 06:07:17 +0000 UTCVictor said he just wants to look at things people consider problems and then find solutions towards them. How does he determine what is and isn't a problem? Polling the masses? His own feels? Is there anything stopping the problem from being something we would think is really not a problem? I like pizza.
Ashley H
2024-01-07 19:27:46 +0000 UTCVictor in his Thatcher Era, there is no history, there is no society, there are just individuals and their families. Liberals have a real problem with focusing on individuals and immediacy. What no class consciousness does to a mf
Joey McAuley
2024-01-07 19:12:25 +0000 UTC20:00 "dead" as coming to a dribble... First thing that comes to mind is obviously potential, pressure, differential pressure. What turns off the spigot? Why does the pressure bleed off? 48:00 ish... how to incorporate knowledge of the end of history into an inhabitable, actionable world view. What would be the behavioral change associated with ones realization of "the" or "an" end of history. Would these changes be dependent or independent of the history which has ended, within the lifetime of one believing (by proof of their actions) that history has ended. 49:00 ngl, I enjoyed Duncan Trussle Joe Rogans several years ago. But I think that's moreso enjoying Duncan Trussle for the spectacle that he is. 51:30 awesome point. If everything is documented as a historical event the exclusivity of history gets overrun and in being overrun its like a state change... Liquid history turned to gas. Vaporized into the tiniest of particles. Everything is documented, almost in the hopes that later on it will be important or necessary? A compulsion? Document everything before we end the world, do a file backup regularly so we have the latest restore point? The end of history is definitely a loaded term. For me it has the connotation of no longer having a sense of some frontier, of some destiny, be it individual or collective. Not many people I think have any sense of destiny or driving spirit. If someone does, it's usually some con or they're laughed out of a room. There are a handful of people who have possessed such a spirit and I have found authentic via affect, but just a handful. Maybe those things were always made up, fantasies we have, having not lived the life firsthand. But yeah, end of history, just here, day to day, paying bills, getting paid, hanging out, going with some pre existing and pretty stable rhythm that we casually tinker with even in the face of existential climate threat.
ageOfBumFires
2024-01-07 14:25:05 +0000 UTCGreat to have PillPods back!
Recoil
2024-01-07 12:29:20 +0000 UTCGraham Hancock is the fake archeologist/polemic journalists who has a docu on netflix on ancient civilizations
Guillermo Garrido-Lestache Vidal
2024-01-07 09:55:35 +0000 UTCIf you conceive of fascism not as some kind of static end state but rather as a process of radicalization with particular characteristics then the Trump phenomenon could be conceived as part of a greater fascist movement. We can identify certain characteristics of the particular type of radicalization thats happened and its clearly reactionary, nationalistic, militaristic, misogynistic, racist, etc, which have all historically been part of fascist movements. If you look at the class characteristics of the participants in many of the latest right wing protests/events (Jan6th, truckers, dutch farmers) theyre largely petit bourgeois, regional capitalists and this is all completely predictable when looking at the history of fascism. Fascism as a concept is incoherent without some theory of history as it is reactionary, backwards looking, mythological etc which all have a temporal aspect.
Joey McAuley
2024-01-07 02:08:11 +0000 UTChttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C1x6z8rr-96/?igsh=MTMzb2E0Z3d6NmliYQ==
Zachary Manenti
2024-01-07 02:00:49 +0000 UTCI identify immensely with the "just taking up space" feeling in the family haha.
GolfBaller
2024-01-06 21:35:54 +0000 UTC
