Pill Pod 112 - The Airborne Masculinity Event (Exclusive)
Added 2023-02-24 16:00:00 +0000 UTCYou decide if we keep going (or change what we cover); this one was from Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Man: Psychoanalysis and Masculinity. We'll appreciate your comments too and maybe insert a couple into a future episode.
Comments
Victor delivered imo the most relevant and interesting point in the ep: that women have been integrating traditionally masc norms into their concepts of femininity for decades, but men have largely been neglecting to do the same with femininity. There are obvious exceptions (celebs like Harry Styles, pierced guys, gays, etc.), but apart from people who have managed to insulate themselves from the capitalist and conformist pressures of mainstream society, this seems to pretty much hold true. I’m personally inclined toward people who tend to be interested in interpreting/discussing their emotional lives in a pretty steady capacity, so there might be some subjectivity there, but I tend to find that women are more interesting, emotionally aware, rounded people than men. No blame there ofc—we’re all society’s products, why would men feel the need to update an already-privileged position, etc etc. But diagnostically, this strikes me as a meaningful point. Bump to the folks asking for more gender talk, but maybe because I’m not as well-read in critical gender theory as in other areas of philosophy lit.
Skye Jacobs
2023-05-05 16:04:54 +0000 UTCAs far as continuing this series... I don't know. Maybe it would be interesting to include some pop culture analyses. Fight Club is a good example (Chuck Palahniuk is homosexual, so I think re-reading the novel might prove interesting; it certainly isn't a tacit celebration of animalistic masculinity. Short read, anyway). Or maybe deconstructing some pop culture characters like Thomas Shelby from Peaky Blinders, Elliot Alderson from Mr. Robot, Rustin Cohle from True Detective Season One, Robert Pattinson's version of Batman vs. Christian Bale's (not to mention the separate portrayals of the Joker in the Dark Knight and Joker). It also might be fun to look at caricatured masculinity, like Ron Burgandy from Anchorman, Kenny Powers from Eastbound and Down, etc.
Walker Goff
2023-03-19 17:35:45 +0000 UTCI'm uncertain what to even say about masculinity. I definitely rebelled against both my father figures (biological and step-parent), so I developed a hatred for traditionally masculine traits. I also loved psychedelics and entactogens, which were basically looked upon as homosexual or homoerotic by the highly-evolved men of Texas. Basically in high school I gravitated toward hipsters and ravers before both were fully assimilated into mainstream culture. But even in those groups you get bullshit pissing contests that reek of masculinity: who has taken more of x or y substance, who has had the craziest trip, who is the most interesting and philosophical of the group, who has traveled farthest into psychedelia, who has the most knowledge of psychedelic history, who has the best taste in music / film / literature / art / whatever, etc. etc. There's always this rudimentary competition among males. I even notice it among females though so maybe gender is a partially useless category. I don't know. I suck at gender studies questions.
Walker Goff
2023-03-19 17:25:51 +0000 UTCWhenever I try and deeply interrogate my masculinity, it alway boils down to suits (effortlessly looking dapper) jeans with good pockets (super convenient) and not having to put on makeup (saves me hours every week). I can’t help being a man, and I’m only thankful it doesn’t get in the way of being me.
Fiachra O Raghallaigh
2023-03-05 21:40:26 +0000 UTCI need pockets man
Simon Castrelo
2023-03-03 19:24:21 +0000 UTCMen can't resist chasing obscenity
Alex B
2023-03-01 10:11:30 +0000 UTCBelittling his sons slightly boosts his self importance but won't bring back the glory days when women knew their place. "Tidy your room!" Zeus yells down the stairs. Apollo sighs and continues to gaze into the feed
Alex B
2023-02-28 19:48:57 +0000 UTCThere is no point if the critical theory or the name dropping goes immediately to misogynist then there is no point in this culture war crap, we want to learn about real theory not high school level stupidity. On the other hand if you find real theory ever on this subject then OK but otherwise it just seems silly for you guys.
Nacho
2023-02-28 09:06:38 +0000 UTCContinue!
Ludvik
2023-02-28 07:36:52 +0000 UTCOf Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It” by Richard V. Reeves.
Heather Harrington
2023-02-27 19:06:12 +0000 UTCI think if you’re talking about masculinity then you should probably address problem of violence and control over women and vice versa.
Domen Žalac
2023-02-27 18:37:52 +0000 UTCI'd like to hear more on this. I think gender theory is underrepresented on this podcast and it would be nice to hear a series on it.
Ichabod
2023-02-27 14:44:57 +0000 UTCPerhaps a guest to speak on the subject?
Khemith
2023-02-27 09:57:31 +0000 UTCThis episode made me think of Mikhaila Peterson's Lion Diet. That's JP's daughter. Literally on her website: "The Lion Diet is a carnivorous diet that consists solely of ruminant meat (beef, lamb, goat, etc.), salt, and water..." masculinity is alive and kicking^^^ i say quit the topic -- unlesss there is a more focused text/concept to discuss that has full buy-in from all three of you. enthusiasm level for this text seemed to vary? haha
Sebas
2023-02-26 23:36:27 +0000 UTCI say a resounding yes to continue this topic. I will come back to this with some sources, but for now - young men are not doing so hot in terms of school, workforce, and addiction. I am curious to why this is happening? Now with young women/ girls- what is causing this mental crisis—- not just “toxic masculinity. And maybe the label toxic masculinity is causing a crisis in young men. And I can tell you that there are quite a few men out there today that do not want to wear tight pants and go in front of a mirror. Dance is still predominately women, so something with the current attitudes is not becoming a reality as far as participation in the art form. And I will clarify, many heterosexual men are not flooding to the dance studio. And let’s talk about the body. This is the biggest problem I have with Butler, she leaves the body out of the conversation. Merleau-Ponty does not, at least he realizes we live our lives with a body and it is going to affect our experience. Has anyone read Luce Irigaray? I might be misspelling her name. She gets a lot of shit but I think she has something to offer. The reality of the body, I am going blind, aging, chemical imbalance, pregnant, torn meniscus, had my leg amputated, Parkinson’s disease, it is all going to have an effect on your lived experience.
Heather Harrington
2023-02-26 18:55:13 +0000 UTCMasculinity and it’s role in the current manifestations of reactionary politics, very interesting.
Bryan mahoney
2023-02-26 12:50:55 +0000 UTCDelayed reflection...personally Id probably pivot to hierarchy itself. Vertical, horizontal, fixed, rotational, cyclical, linear, fluid. Systems topology. Arboreal, rhizomatic. State and stateless. Form and formless. There was a teaser of covering Anarchism at some point recently, I'm reading through "Anarchism Works" by Peter Gelderloos, and if nothing else, it points to many *practical*/historical examples/references that could be tapped into in this regard. At the very least (to say I'm 40 pages in and I don't know whether the book is held in high or low regard), I've learned about interesting things I hadn't heard of before.
ageOfBumFires
2023-02-25 15:19:07 +0000 UTCYour optimism has caused me to be more open to at least another follow-up, if the Pillpod wills it, Inshallah. I think you're probably right, I'm sure there is a direction they could take it in that would be fertile and novel, unexplored, or perhaps taking an existing take and turning it on its head, showing masculinity to be empty of selfhood itself, etc., so perhaps this episode is just a case of getting introductoriness jitters out of the system and out of the way, and in a followup episode the freak flags could fly so to speak? But it does seem like Pills would need to find another route into the topic such that his heart and passion could be fully into it. That's what it all boils down to. I don't care what is talked about, as long as it sounds like they're really into it, the juices are flowing, the voices are glowing. **** I just want the Pillpod to dance like no one's watching 🥰 😅 ****
ageOfBumFires
2023-02-25 14:53:36 +0000 UTCI think I agree with Victor on this one, I think this would be an interesting topic to dig into more, but do whatever interests you guys the most.
Henry Martyn
2023-02-25 11:37:31 +0000 UTCWould love a series on Georges Bataille
stoorzender
2023-02-25 11:35:05 +0000 UTCWell said, and it's a "meh" from me too.
Steve B
2023-02-25 06:00:03 +0000 UTCIf the path is to be masculinity (and again, to that I say "meh," I didn't come here to learn about Andrew Tate, unless it's a phenomenological schizo analysis of how or why his "persona" came into celebrated being, despite me still having no fucking clue who this person is and not caring to), then I would prefer drawing from the historical, lost but easily rediscoverable non-patriarchal cultures and societies, or from nature, examples of species where females lead (i.e. fucking lions and hyenas... how's that for Lion King Disney propaganda) Cover "yang" in the context of balance of yin/yang, Cover cultures that before colonization had practices that had built in guardrails and defense mechanism against toxic masculinity, such as the Igbo women's "sitting on a man" practice where they'd form a woman mob and fucking humiliate shitheads. Iroquois women, matrilineal societies. This is the practice of touching peace (first), such that toxicity can be composted like a mushroom with toxic chemicals. Cover toxic masculinity like you covered capitalism, as a fucking world wide epidemic infecting seemingly everything. Cover the stuff that can reignite creative means to counter whatever bullshit is out there, inspire people to try to employ those measures today, to dream up new, novel strategies that poke fun at, shame, embarrass toxic masculinity, because really, it's just a big, dumb joke that unfortunately is going to get (and has already gotten) a whole lot of people killed. And for fucking what? Nothing. In the satirical words of Orgasmo "Now you're a man, a man man man!" https://youtu.be/oiXaT_1I-vw Re: dresses, in I think 8th grade, late 90s, me and my friends all dressed up in our schools' cheerleader costumes for the Halloween dance, makeup, tights and all, and my dad never forgave my friends mom who borrowed the uniforms lol.
ageOfBumFires
2023-02-25 02:03:50 +0000 UTCI'm a cop, I'm a war machine, I'm a capitalist, I'm a boundary, smart boys and bullies etc Oh yeah wimps need not apply so say the girls.
Susan H
2023-02-25 00:48:09 +0000 UTCthe world is toxic masculinity
Susan H
2023-02-25 00:46:29 +0000 UTCPills questions in the end are my questions too, I got lost in the men stuff
Anton Eremin
2023-02-24 22:57:10 +0000 UTCI’m gonna put on stretchy pants and have a lot of fun
stoorzender
2023-02-24 22:33:57 +0000 UTCI'm personally not too interested in masculinity or psychoanalysis. That being said, if y'all are having fun then keep going! I'd be interested in more book-dives, though (What is Philosophy?, The Animal That Therefore I Am, Pleasure Erased, The Inhuman, etc.) I also enjoyed when y'all would dive into specific thinkers (Heidegger, Nietzsche, Derrida, Foucault, Žižek, etc.) Concepts/topics (vitalism, "how to read Deleuze," an episode on plasticity would be fun, etc.) Interviews are sick too. Y'all ever try getting Catherine Malabou on? John J. Stuhr does Deleuze and pragmatism together - particularly C.S. Peirce. Lewis R. Gordon would be rad. Nancy Tuana could be cool or Mariana Ortega. Leonard Lawlor. Andrea j Pitts. Thomas Nail. Vernon W. Cisney. Grant Maxwell. Andrew Culp. John Ó Maoilearca. Donna Haraway. Just throwing out things I think would be cool/fun, but I'm chill with whatever! I'm here for the vibes, mans.
DilloBear
2023-02-24 22:23:33 +0000 UTCTerrible, end it
brutus
2023-02-24 21:03:18 +0000 UTC
