Pill Pod 117 - Baudrillard as Post-Marxist
Added 2023-03-31 15:00:05 +0000 UTCWe are still on the lookout for some worthwhile post-marxisms, we found a dude who is post-everything. Our reading is from "Ironic Strategies" from Baudrillard's Fatal Strategies, and it turned out to be a pretty seductive text all around.
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There is something I don't get, I understand that for a real change ideas alone are useless, but to say that ideas are completely useless seems strange to me because for example in the Russian revolution people were in deplorable state, but without the ideas of Lenin and the inspiration of Marx they could have done a revolution too but in a totally different way, I mean it could have been fascist ideas because we know that people in necessity a lot of times had followed reactionary ideologies, so I think it's useful but only in conjunction with the dispair of necessity
Iván Cámpora
2023-12-04 18:33:45 +0000 UTCJust listened to the viewer response episode and realized I recommended an 800 page book. Schürmann wrote a much smaller piece titled “Only Proteus Can Save Us Now,” which is digestible for an episode and lays the groundwork for his later work. I’ll submit it to the request PDF once that goes up! Love the podcast.
Chet
2023-06-26 23:07:43 +0000 UTC1:11:30 Why does it actually lead somewhere different? I swear I can't figure out how, if we take Baudrillard seriously, we can end up as anything but a bunch of cynical ancaps.
Alyn
2023-04-20 03:19:40 +0000 UTCI'll say it, because I always do.
Walker Goff
2023-04-09 07:10:45 +0000 UTCLoved this episode! I would love to hear y’all’s thoughts on Reiner Schürmann and his political work Broken Hegemonies, as it presents an interesting answer to Victor’s point on synthesizing the ‘evil’ position (~1 hour in) and presents an anarchist(?) post-Marxist perspective
Chet
2023-04-07 00:29:50 +0000 UTCNobody is gonna say it? Nick Land?
Khemith
2023-04-06 11:17:27 +0000 UTCI liked this!
DilloBear
2023-04-05 21:08:28 +0000 UTCThey came out in December and January!
Plastic Pills
2023-04-05 14:52:19 +0000 UTC1:26:30 "world's gonna go how it goes and you just pick a side." 1:23:10 on what to call the episode... Well clearly it should be evil 👹. I liked Eric's "society runs on vice and evil line" lol 35:00 "so what does he mean by that, ironic..." Damn that exchange was great. Thanks for the clarification. 48:00 "the reason JP is famous in simulated history is because there's no one else fascinating." 🤕 Ouchhhhhh 56:20 Will and Grace reference. That example you gave was absolutely perfect for demonstrating how something actually becomes accepted: media consumption. Wild.
ageOfBumFires
2023-04-02 23:21:38 +0000 UTCWhere are the other chapters mentionnés about fatal strategies in 8 parts at the end of the podcast ?
Atelier Minceur
2023-04-02 22:37:32 +0000 UTCLoved this episode
Nathan Blazina
2023-04-02 20:13:08 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/2U9WMftV40c
Timothy Kenner
2023-04-01 13:01:39 +0000 UTCWas this the apocalypse that Cormac McCarthy portrayed in “the road”?
Timothy Kenner
2023-04-01 12:39:53 +0000 UTCIf it were only so simple. It ain't.
Stephen Nelson Willis
2023-04-01 11:18:23 +0000 UTCWhich parts? This might actually be the least lib he's ever been.
anacidcommie
2023-04-01 07:55:34 +0000 UTCBaudrillard's "blackpill" is incredibly fucking real, and needs to be swallowed by anyone envisioning a politics that they want to be taken seriously at this point in time. And yes, that politics must be seductive. But to be radical, leftist *and* seductive to a large chunk of the population? Highly unlikely. Which is why the likes of Peterson and Rogan are so successful, as Pills said. Even the "that's who we kill" bit is extremely on point, which is why there's no point in aiming for a mass leftist politics. If the masses can be seduced by, say, Will and Grace to become less homophobic, then you can say that W&G is a cause to the effect that is decreased homophobia. And the same with Peterson and transphobia. The phobic sentiments absolutely exist in society, but they are affected by the charisma of the public figures contributing to or alleviating that phobia in the masses. Just like antisemitism existed in the German masses in the early 1930s, but you needed a catalyst like Hitler to ramp it up and let it loose. So the masses are seduced, yes, but you can determine the causal direction there, in the sense of what's contributing to increased phobia. And while it's true that people don't care about how much easier it used to be to own your own house back in the day (or how many social and environmental disasters climate change is going to bring about that will affect them directly), the fact that they don't care about it does make them stupid and deserving of all that reproach. Theorists and people who are into this stuff, like this podcast and it's audience definitely have something about them which makes them able to be seduced by leftist or radical ideas or whatever, so that split between the theorist and the masses isn't completely made up. There is some sort of subjective difference between people who are seduced by radical politics and ideas and those who aren't. And these are the kinds of subjects an effective politics in 2023 must direct its attention towards, IMO.
anacidcommie
2023-04-01 07:54:56 +0000 UTCI'm really glad this is a clean 1:30:00. Perfect.
Ashley H
2023-03-31 22:05:27 +0000 UTCHi Pills, Your recent topics (Baudrillard etc) are great, but I find myself muting Victor each time he speaks.
Johannex
2023-03-31 18:46:38 +0000 UTC
