Uncovered recording of Chad Daybell, Ad-free, early access
Added 2021-09-11 18:39:45 +0000 UTCThis is a recording uncovered by an unnamed source. The location is St. George, Utah. Date: October 26 or 27th, 2018.
According to Melanie Gibb, it's the day Chad met Lori Vallow. Just three days later Chad was emailing Lori Vallow and telling her that Tylee was a dark spirit.
This recording will be shared publicly with ads in about 5 or 6 hours. Here is that link for tonight's public viewing: https://youtu.be/kM_JmS84PAU
After tonight's public viewing, Dr. John and I will be going live to discuss our thoughts, and yours, on the recording. Please share what you notice.
We just received this recording this week, and Lauren spent the past couple of days editing and improving the sound. We've added unseen footage with Chad, and advertisements released years ago about his book series,
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Comments
I have thought this, too. This case and the past 5 years of absolute gaslighting has further propelled me to go back to school. The reason people do what they do has been a life long passion of mine. How people believed this crap is interesting…..the ones that act upon them are fascinating.
Darcy Johnson
2021-10-11 02:40:15 +0000 UTCI personally feel like Chad was never 100% convinced of his own doctrine, but responded to the feedback he got from readers, and ultimately Lori. The more positive feedback he got, the more committed he became. Though, I truly think that if anyone had questioned him openly, or confronted him about his doctrine he would have backed down before things became lethal. IMO, he might even have been surprised initially when Lori began to make things happen; and, as his power and importance increased so did his commitment.
Katie Marlowe
2021-09-26 21:53:03 +0000 UTCThat’s exactly what I personally believe, in terms of Chad’s beliefs of his own doctrine.
Katie Marlowe
2021-09-26 21:45:04 +0000 UTCDear Lauren, I was laughing when in the hidden hour you talked about how boring Chad was and how people couldn’t bear listening to him more than 10 min. I was one of those! I tried really hard couple of times and It was imposible. So I decided to wait for your live analysis so I did not have to listen to it. It was truly unbearable! Thank you for all the research you do so we can enjoy the amazing analysis. I actually love reading books about near dead experiences (that have absolutely nothing to do with apocalyptic views) and all these authors had terrible, horrific illnesses and accidents where their recovery was a complete medical miracle. It usually is very well documented with doctors, family and friends being witnesses of the tragedy during and afterwards. I read: Dying to be me by Anita Moorjani, Proof of Heaven by Dr. Alexander, To heaven and back by Dr. MaryC Neal. These accounts really make you wonder. Their medical stories are from nightmares. The little I listen from Chad I immediately felt his NDE was complete BS. Completely made up to sell books and get followers. Thank you again for the great content! Love your podcast!
Nicole Plazas
2021-09-22 05:00:16 +0000 UTCMia, read this article, perhaps it'll answer your question. I don't feel good about saying this, but many of these people have no critical thinking skills. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/a-look-at-the-religious-circle-surrounding-chad-and-lori-daybell/
Erica A. Zwick
2021-09-17 05:17:09 +0000 UTCCan I ask a question here for tonight's session? I would love to know Dr Johns thoughts on schizoaffecfive disorder and masking/malingering and if people with this disorder typically engage in those behaviors. The big question is is she faking it and we all know she has a LONG history of these masking and manipulating behaviors so is someone that does these things truly "incompetent" or crazy or are they a cold blooded sociopath? I think that's the question we are all asking at the moment and I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Danielle Loren
2021-09-16 00:33:58 +0000 UTCI have been at a loss trying to figure out what makes people follow people like Chad Daybell and Julie Rowe. Today, I stumbled upon Julie Rowe’s live podcast from the YouTube channel “Julie Rowe Weighs the same as a duck” recorded on 8/11/21. She talks about Chad a little bit, then her battery on her phone quits, and her moderator lets listeners talk for a while. Julie often speaks about building safe houses for sex trafficking victims. The listener on that podcast says Julie is exactly right about what she says and then goes on to weave in Qanon conspiracies that prove Julies theories. Now the mystery of who their followers are make better sense. I remember Chad speaking about the miracle that President Trump’s election was. I would like to hear Dr. John’s ideas about the psychology of their followers.
Mia Brooks
2021-09-15 00:22:23 +0000 UTCIs Marie the one who keeps palettes of cans of baked beans hidden under her bed at all times and likes sandwiches? Edit ok I can’t joke about this bull shit. This is so disturbing. It’s making me think of the Bundy family or the Christian dominionists.
Joanna Mulvaney
2021-09-13 19:10:25 +0000 UTCDid Chad take correspondence classes from the Warren Jeffs school of public speaking? I get that talking softly and slowly is a power play to force everybody to pay extra careful attention to you if your charisma levels are in the toilet, but this seems almost hypnotically tedious so you stop actually comprehending the absolute lunacy or grotesqueness of what he’s saying.
Joanna Mulvaney
2021-09-13 18:51:54 +0000 UTCI’m late to the game here. I had to watch it tonight and watch the live tonight too. In regards to the discussion between Lauren and Dr. John regarding whether Chad believes his story. Could it be like a pathological liar type thing? Where he’s just not even thinking about the lies that are coming out of his mouth and is just saying anything and everything regardless of truth to gain some satisfaction in some way? And then over time as more people believed and “followed” him, he felt the need to really put on the front or actually act like what he was claiming he was. Almost like a situation where he got in over his head and didn’t back out (due to pride or something).
Carly Fontana
2021-09-13 03:25:45 +0000 UTCI’ll have to go back and listen closer- but it sounds like there was some sort of disharmony between Chad and his father. Did anyone notice this? Without Lori, I don’t think Chad was charismatic or smart enough for for success in cult leadership. Was Chad relying on Tammy to financially support this? I mean I don’t think his prospects were good in this line of work. He sure seems enamored with Jason Mow. I’m assuming Mow has more star qualities? I am reluctant to investigate this directly after my unfortunate read of Barry Cox’s book that I still regret. Thanks, this is super interesting & sorry for all my poorly fleshed out thoughts here!
Meggie
2021-09-12 15:42:12 +0000 UTCThis is a book tour speech, except he's confused creativity with the voices beyond the veil. And he started to believe himself because he's so insular and wanted to be important. Thank you for sharing this.
LauraK
2021-09-12 14:55:04 +0000 UTCReligious zealots are dangerous. Like anything in life, balance seems prudent. I don’t understand the LDS faith but I can say the same about other religions, as well. All I know to go from Mormon (LDS) to rating people as light or dark, to zombies to killing people is insane. Why anyone would follow such nutty doctrine is stunning. I’m grateful for Dr John and Lauren’s deep dive but admit it’s confused me more than ever how some people could believe Chad’s dribble. I see pure nonsense, narcissism, delusions of grandeur and sheeples. Not good…
RobynB
2021-09-12 12:24:25 +0000 UTCHow disappointing it must be for the apocalyptic fetish community when the end of the world timeline shifts, like every time .
Amy N.
2021-09-12 05:23:46 +0000 UTCSome people are just really good at manipulation. With the right training he could have been an excellent spy... he’s that good at manipulation. But I seriously would be in fear of that power he’d have. He could easily have built a cult to rival Scientology with the right training, and that is a truly fearful thought.
Christina Smith
2021-09-12 05:22:24 +0000 UTCWith this it’s clearer why Chad’s kids won’t believe they are in a cult. Chad had thousands of fellow churchgoers and readers who were fairly typical church members because his message—as shown here— is largely in line with Mormon prophecies, church teachings, and the book of revelation. The crazier stuff wasn’t part of this talk and his kids may not have been aware of it.
Lynette Butler
2021-09-12 04:03:29 +0000 UTCAS Mormons they are brought up to be obedient and unquestioning.
Erica A. Zwick
2021-09-12 02:16:08 +0000 UTCThere is no doubt in my mind that he really is the mastermind behind most of what happened.
Erica A. Zwick
2021-09-12 02:14:52 +0000 UTCI just can’t understand how someone would listen to Chad speak and think perfect …. He’s the one I am going to believe and follow 😳
Anissa Teree
2021-09-12 01:46:34 +0000 UTCShlub...hahahahahaha. I think he's a schmendrick!
Erica A. Zwick
2021-09-12 01:44:36 +0000 UTCI used to think, and still pretty much do, that he believes what he is saying. BUT, listening to him speak, and do his little nervous laughs, makes me wonder. The nervous laughs seem to me, like he isn’t as confident in what he is saying, and hoping everyone else buys what he is selling. I know it’s part of the humble, innocent, down to earth part he plays, but it also seems like he’s a little scared up there, hoping they all will accept and believe him, and maybe that will convince him too!
Melody Chavez
2021-09-12 01:25:05 +0000 UTCWow! Great comments Melanee! You seemed to capture his personality and him playing on his down to earth nature, and how people could buy into that, thinking that he is ever so humble. And the “Why me, Lord?” mentality. I don’t think I’d have been sucked in, but I suppose i can see how people who are devoted to and fascinated by end of times prepping and education could be. Now, even that is an extreme leap to where he ended up, and hopefully most people, unlike Lori and Alex and the Melanie’s, would have jumped off the crazy train as soon as they started to hear of all of his other prophecies…zombies, light and dark, etc, etc.
Melody Chavez
2021-09-12 00:40:37 +0000 UTCListening to this, I now think Chad really does believe all of this. I think it was what made him (in his own mind) special, a leader, a visionary. When in reality, what did he really have outside of his family? He was a shlub with a struggling book publishing business his wife kept going. Even though he’s a bad writer, it took work to create those series. If he couldn’t be the guy who was known in his little circle as a visionary author who prophesied what the end times were going to look like, he wasn’t much. He may now say Lori and Alex framed him but I would bet that, if asked, he would insist his vision of the future (zombies and all) is real. And I think his emotion in this talk was also genuine - he isn’t a good enough actor to fake that. Agree he should have shown the same depth of emotion when being accused of his wife’s murder, or that of the children.
Evelyn Yallen
2021-09-12 00:10:34 +0000 UTCJust starting to watch… he’s so conceited and self absorbed… prideful and vain!
Melinda Ngawaka
2021-09-12 00:10:19 +0000 UTCYeah, he gets emotional when he gets to brag that he’s been gifted sacred gifts. That’s what touches him. 🤣
pigasus
2021-09-12 00:02:28 +0000 UTCI didn’t know before that Chad sold his books as non-fiction. His prediction of the Rexburg tabernacle’s basketball courts as literal training grounds for his war -was a nice way to align his visions with LDS church’s might.
pigasus
2021-09-12 00:00:03 +0000 UTCI love your comment. I’m thinking it’s possible that the children have been programmed to refuse discussion of their stranger beliefs/behavior by pronouncing that they are “too sacred” to discuss.
pigasus
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CC
2021-09-11 23:37:32 +0000 UTCthat faux-humbleness he does is super corny!!
Lauri Bolland
2021-09-11 23:36:56 +0000 UTCI would like to hear from each of you on the live tonight (Lauren, Dr John, Laurie H if she's joining us) your opinion on whether you think Chad believes his prophecies, etc and if this recording altered that for you. I know you've shared that before but it is SO interesting and I don't remember if you had this recording as part of forming that opinion previously.
Samantha Wolf
2021-09-11 23:35:49 +0000 UTCSomething finally makes sense to me. If you think Trump is the quality of guy God wants as President of any country, is not a leap to think Lori is the kind of woman God would choose to usher in the second coming.
Lynette Butler
2021-09-11 23:32:27 +0000 UTCA room full of nodding heads must have been such a drug.
Amy N.
2021-09-11 23:32:24 +0000 UTCI found his emotional points very interesting. The first time felt like ‘You are all special and important because you see me as special and important’ and when he was talking about Jason Mow felt like ‘This person is really special and validate my specialness’. I don’t know if that makes sense. To me it seemed what made him emotional was feeling accepted, validated and important. He needs the audience to love him as well as the other speakers.
Amy N.
2021-09-11 23:30:58 +0000 UTCMy intuitive sense is that he actually believes most of what he is saying. He is also aware of how to get people to “buy in” to his so-called visions. I think he is keenly aware of how LDS people lean favorably to the “aw shucks,” self-deprecating, homage to the church leadership, secret special knowledge, this really isn’t about me and therefore I am trustworthy persona. He knows how to elicit "the Spirit" to the point where I as a lifetime Mormon could almost "feel" it which was freaky, since it's all egoically imaginal. He's telling people about the certain utter destruction of millions of people, and then in the next breath joking in a docile voice, while sideways inferring that the people there will be saved from this destruction because they are part of the chosen few – an elitist idea that they've been bathed in their entire lives and so would ring true to them. He's also teasing his prophetic abilities, and name dropping where he can to prove his insider connections. Fascinating.
Melanee Evans
2021-09-11 23:21:39 +0000 UTCAs Jeanne says this is dead center of LDS culture. My seminary classes, Sunday school classes, Institute classes were chock full of these possible scenarios and predictions. He gives his family “significance “ in it but WE Were ALL taught to do that. It’s why we were sent to earth in the “latter days.”
Lynette Butler
2021-09-11 23:06:02 +0000 UTCIf only the 48 Hours crew had been willing to ask: “What special role did your father say you would each play in the last days?—let’s go around so you can each answer.” “Do you still believe you will play that role?” “When Did your father tell any of you who you were in a past life?” “Did God tell your mom—herself—she would be dying early?” “When Did your dad tell you?” “Will the Lord free your father to be a leader in the last days?” This would let us know how far their trust in their dad goes. And I think it’s important to say “When did…” not just “Did he…” because if he’s “trustworthy “ certainly he would have, right? I think these questions would tell us a lot about where the kids are now.
Lynette Butler
2021-09-11 23:02:18 +0000 UTCI listened to the phone call again yesterday between Melanie and C&L, and I'm wondering if Chad ever studied neuro-linguistic programming or something similar. Because I noticed that after Melanie says: "I mean, Tammy dies. And then your husband died. And then, and then he’s missing. It just doesn’t sound like God’s plan to me. Just sounds...it gives me a gut feeling, like in my gut, it feels weird. It doesn’t feel right. I don’t have peace about I never have felt one-hundred percent peace about always felt like a little weird in my stomach about all these things." Then she and Lori get into some tit-for-tat, and Lori sounds like she might be getting ready to hang up when Chad interrupts with: "I just want to testify...." And goes into a description of Tammy's death, and THEN: "All these conspiracy theories just make me sick to my stomach. Just absolutely sick." So, is he subconsciously mirroring Melanie's comment that she has a bad gut feeling? Or is it intentional? I may be making too much of it, but the more I listen to Chad, the more I start to feel like he really is the mastermind behind most of what happened.
Julie Holden
2021-09-11 23:00:51 +0000 UTCUgh. His weird laugh is really creepy. He's very of nerdy and Cornish. He responds with such inappropriate emotions at times. Can't wait to hear Dr. John’s take on this. It was hard to listen to him manipulate his audience for 45 minutes. How can people take him seriously?!
Tracy Warberg Holliday
2021-09-11 22:41:18 +0000 UTCLike Mary Jo Dibella said, he is an adept manipulator. His speech escalates with him providing “proof” of his specialness with the “near death experiences” that led to “visions.” He lets the audience feel special with inside knowledge that his books aren’t fiction but “fact,” gives them a lot to be scared about with all the doom and gloom bs, then tops it off with all the crying at the end. Ugh. He’s the worst. I feel that he exploited Lori’s mental illness and was the intentionally passive puppet master of the whole plan.
Lauren Rencher
2021-09-11 22:12:14 +0000 UTCDid I miss the part where he discusses what happens east of Denver and the rest of the world? How about those People he preached to in savage NJ 😂? Man CAN’T WAIT to hear the discussion between Lauren and Dr John for this one. I’m going to make myself some popcorn!
CuriousinColorado
2021-09-11 21:20:05 +0000 UTCAfter listening to this, I am even MORE convinced that Chad was very skillfully “manipulating “ all along the way… he’s good- I’ll give him that! Slimy, slippery snake! I really believe he has enjoyed his role. 😵💫🤮🤯
Gina McKay
2021-09-11 20:45:54 +0000 UTCWhoa. Looking forward to the discussion later.
Jana Rodgers
2021-09-11 20:19:00 +0000 UTCHe's good. At manipulation. He starts out with stuff his audience is culturally prepared to believe, so when he goes off the deep end, they are already nodding and won't notice. At the same time, he skillfully weaves himself in as an integral part of the future he predicts. I am not LDS so I do not really know at what point his speech went completely off-road. Might be about the same time as God destroys Salt Lake City with volcanoes and earthquakes, but Russia and China are fine. But everyone in that room bought it. Including Lori. No way can he say SHE was in control of HIM. He was not framed. He just thought God would protect him. (SORRY, I listened again and I keep editing this as I notice different things. But I just now noticed what YOU said. THREE DAYS??? Three days after he met her, he was already deciding her kids had to go???? OMG!)
Mary Jo DiBella
2021-09-11 20:13:04 +0000 UTCDid I hear Chad getting emotional a few times during his speech? It’s disturbing to me that he shows emotion during his speech to promote his books, but shows absolutely no emotion during his preliminary court appearance & the reading of the charges, especially Tammy’s. Can’t wait to listen to Dr John’s take on this video. Thanks for all the work you both put in on this trial.
Marcella Able
2021-09-11 20:11:04 +0000 UTCPowerful video.
Stephanie Stewart
2021-09-11 19:53:00 +0000 UTC
