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Chandler Evidence Release, SET 2, PART 2, 3, AND 4

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Oh wow! Maybe there was blood on the ones she was wearing! Maybe she threw those away!! I hadn’t thought of that!

Nora Ann

It’s on page 193 or 194 I think. The Walgreens video shows her going into the store wearing sandals, and also when she was in the store she was wearing sandals. And they weren’t the pairs she bought. I think they were thongs.

Nora Ann

Is that true, that Lori was wearing sandals to buy sandals? If so, where are the ones she was wearing? Surely she wouldn’t have admitted to that if there had been evidence, say blood spatter, on her shoes. Hmmm. 🤔

Katie Marlowe

In one of reports it states video showing Lori wearing sandals in to Walgreens where she bought two pairs of sandl

Nora Ann

When I heard that Lori stopped at CVS and boughtt flip flops for herself and Tylee, it struck a chord. They knew they would encounter LE upon their return home. Tylee needed shoes. July in Arizona surfaces outside are very hot. Tylee left with no shoes, ergo the flip flop purchase. Also, Annie (Tylee aunt)) with intimate knowledge of Lori’s daily ritual, said that Lori would throw on a baseball cap and yoga pants to run JJ to school. She also would not wear makeup. LE bodycam shows us that Lori’s hair and makeup were done. IMO Lori knew she would be on camera when she returned home and being Lori wanted to look her best.

Sweet Pea

Nora, I don’t have any answers to your question but I love that you’re asking! So much just doesn’t align. As I was reading your emails I was thinking “yeah...why is that...good question...that IS odd, what teen walks out of the house in PJ’s”

RobynB

Sorry another comment. Did Tylee sleep in her clothes? She wakes up to commotion in the house and leaves with her mom quickly? A 16 year old girl leaves the house in PJs or what?? From the gps phone stuff Charles was only alive for ten minutes at the house. What was she wearing when she was met with the police an hour or so later in front of the house??

Nora Ann

I’m on page 103 about the Nigerian scam. Does it seem plausible that Charles would fall for this?? I also have a question about his wallet. How did Lori get it? And why didn’t they grab video from the hotel Charles was staying at? And my next question is where was Tylee after the shooting? Supposably she drove off with JJ and her mom. Did she go through the drive through or to buy Sandals? And doesn’t it seem odd that Lori was driving around and not talking on her phone? A thought I have is could Lori have been in Charles hotel room at anytime? Could she have messed with the computer? Could there have been a switch and bait going on? And most of all where was Tylee when her mom was taking JJ to school? Any video? And who the heck buys sandals at Walgreens? Could she have gone there to meet up with someone? Why did she go there twice? Did someone check her phones? Did she have a special burner phone for that day? It just seems odd that I haven’t seen any contact between her and Chad that day, but somehow Chad knows to call the funeral home? Am I missing something or maybe I’m having problems following the dates?? Please advise.

Nora Ann

Something is not right with Adam’s story. I’m not sure what it is though. Why didn’t they contact each other when they both got there? How long before Charles went to see JJ did he buy the plane tickets? Charles had a date the night before he was killed and he didn’t mention it to Adam? When did Adam make the date with Nancy Jo? And if he lived in Texas, why was he making contact with a woman in another state? That just seems strange to me. Like he is going to see his son and decides to go on a dating site prior, in early July and meet up with someone? Didn’t Adam say in the interview it was an unplanned visit?? I am only on page 80 of this so maybe I will figure it out. But something seems off with Adam’s story to me at this point.

Nora Ann

I know on the YouTube lives it's been talked about how if the police had arrested Alex at the time of Charles' death then maybe two kids would still be alive. And so I thought well.... maybe it took a while for the Chandler police to gather the info about the Order of Protection that Charles filed earlier in the year and the body cam video, etc. I want to give the police the benefit of the doubt. There had to be a reason, I told myself. But NO! They had that information on July 17th - just SIX days after the shooting. That's when they knew that Lori had threatened to murder Charles. I feel ... frustrated, I guess. Hard to see that right there in print.

Carrie Knapp

Thank you!!! I definitely want to read those. I'm going to go look for them now. I have been thinking while reading- chad rated zulema the highest but also most of the woman claim to be close to zulema. It kind of seems like she was besties with everyone.

CC

Yes; it’s the last PDF (of 350 pages) in the above batch, 701-1. Zulema/Lori texts run from pg. 181 to 250. Texts from Zulema to and from Chad start on pg. 251-269. They messaged each other a lot. Interestingly, no texts showing at all during the times JJ and Tylee are believed to have been killed, but before and slightly after. And yes, the PDF is unstable and frequently crashes, but once you know where the pages are at least you can scroll forwards when it happens. Also interesting: there seem to be two Julies mentioned. Once seems to be Rowe, but the other is a friend of Zulema’s. Her surname was not redacted but I can’t recall it. It’s in the texts to Chad where she asks if she can introduce her to him. Others referencing a Julie and energy work really feel like it’s Rowe being talked about. The one thing that really stands out is that they all really seem to have believed this. It sounds so abjectly stupid when you’re reading it - spiritual swords in people’s heads, not being able to see out of their third eye and so visions are being blocked, shields and thousands of evil entities attacking them on the daily to stop them. I mean … it’s a lot and hard to believe so few of their inner circle backed away. And of course when they did, they were labeled dark (Sarena). What I understand less than ever after reading all of this is why Zulema got immunity. If they had the contents of all the phones/computer equipment (and it seems like they sure had a lot) why would they have needed her particular testimony unless she had communications from Alex flat out stating what happened to the kids? After Charles was killed, all she had to say was that it was a relief he was gone. Like … WTF. I don’t know what Idaho has on them, but the Chandler evidence dump sure seems to show a pretty cohesive amount of incriminating evidence.

Evelyn Yallen

Do you remember where they are? I'm struggling to make it through all of these. The app shuts down and I have to start over.

CC

I don’t think anyone has mentioned the texts from Zulema to Chad - there are a ton of them. Wonder if Lori knew Zulema was texting Chad so much. So far, they’re all about visions, attacks, evil spirits, etc. It’s hard reading them with a straight face - they sound like really bad sci fi. I wonder how Zulema was able to cure all those aches and pains supposedly caused by evil spirits when she could no longer contact Chad.

Evelyn Yallen

Good question, I hope he answers this one.

CC

I have an “ask Dr. John” question … Lori constantly refers to Zulema by endearments such as “baby girl” “little girl” “little sister” “sweet girl” “pretty girl” “hi beautiful,” not to mention the constant I love you’s between both of them … for one thing, they seem inappropriate between two presumably platonic friends. For another … what’s up with that? Why does she feel the need to refer to other women in somewhat infantilizing ways? Chad too with his “sweet Melanie” comment. I know they were love bombing them and trying to make them feel special. Those terms would more likely creep me out rather than make me feel special though!

Evelyn Yallen

Thanks for the reference, so much data here! Yes, I suspect Zulema is the star witness and why she was given immunity. She is a scam artist and I dislike her for her part in all of this, I guess I will hold my nose as long as Chad and Lori go to prison for life.

RobynB

There are really interesting texts here from Zulema to Lori I have never seen - pg. 16 of the first PDF of 58 pages. Zulema says on 5/29/19 that there is some kind of bomb that will go off and she will be there to lead JJ’s spirit to the Lord. So that would indicate they thought he was “dark”/a zombie WELL before the visit to the Rexburg townhouse of Melanie and David. And that Zulema was in this as deeply as Chad and Lori.

Evelyn Yallen

I had ever heard that Lori increased Charles life insurance before.

Tamara Wakeman Sukohl


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