The second one. She may be his mother but in name only because she treats him horribly. I understand why she does this but like you said it doesn’t make it right. But also one could argue that Regina is only Henry's mother because Emma gave him up, but she only gave him up because she had trauma from being abandoned herself, and she was only abandoned because Regina threatened and attacked Snow and Charming. So really Regina is a kidnapper in my opinion and is the cause of so much unnecessary pain. If it wasn't for her Emma never would've given Henry up
Other Boy Reactions
2021-03-15 23:33:08 +0000 UTC
I keep wondering, do you mean Regina isn't Henry's mother because she adopted him, or because of the way she behaves? If it's the first one, I disagree. But if it's the second one, then I definitely agree with you. Unfortunately, due to her childhood, she holds on too tightly to Henry which only pushes him away. I understand why she does the things she does, but it doesn't mean they're right.
Kia Carson
2021-03-15 20:37:56 +0000 UTC
As Heidi mentioned, Hook isn't immortal. They said earlier this season that he spent a few hundred years in Neverland, where no one ages. They also mentioned that in the episode "Manhattan" when Emma was surprised that Neal knew Hook, and Neal told her he had been to another land when he said, "If I hadn't, I'd be a couple of hundred years older now." If you remember the opening of episode 16, "The Miller's Daughter," we briefly saw Emma, Neal, Henry, and Mr. Gold sailing back into Storybrooke from New York aboard the Jolly Roger. There was a longer version of that scene on the DVD which suggests a little more of Neal's backstory with Hook. You can see that scene here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKwmoK2SCc
But don't watch other deleted scenes from this season - some might contain spoilers for the remaining episodes.
One other clarification relates to your question about the cuff that blocks Regina's magic. Remember Tamara told Hook, "We can kill magical creatures." This cuff is just one more example of the devices they have that can control or destroy magic. The "taser" that Tamara used against the Dragon and August in the previous episode was another such device. The writers confirmed in an interview that it was not meant to be seen as a taser but as a device that can kill magical beings. Unfortunately, they didn't make that clear in the previous episode and most people assumed it was just an ordinary taser. (Minor technical note: it actually looked like a "stun gun" which many people confuse with tasers. Stun guns deliver a small electric current to the surface of the skin while true tasers fire darts that pierce the skin and deliver a much larger current. Stun guns are legal to possess in the US but only police and military can legally use tasers.) I hope this adds to your enjoyment of the show. Thanks for an enjoyable reaction.
Paul Fisher
2020-10-30 17:20:09 +0000 UTC
First... in answer to your question about Hook and how it is he has been alive for over two hundred years... It isn't because he has eternal life or he's immortal. Hook can die as easily as anyone else who isn't immortal like Rumplestiltskin, the fairies, etc... So far, it's been revealed that Hook had lived in Neverland for over two hundred years. And in Neverland, you don't age and you don't grow up, as is told in all of the Peter Pan stories. Hook spent two hundred years in Neverland seeking for a way to kill Rumplestiltskin, upon vowing to kill him as is shown in this season's episode... The Crocodile. And Hook proclaims himself to be a survivor, because he has survived for so long in spite of the many dangers he's faced, not only in all his years living in Neverland where there are many threats, but he's also survived many, many battles against other pirates, and villains such as Rumplestiltskin, Cora, the Evil Queen, and more. Hook is good at surviving. :)
The Evil Queen- Thank you so much for another fun reaction!!! :) Hook is definitely back, which I absolutely love!!! And boy is he angry upon discovering that Rumplestiltskin is still alive. And after swearing revenge for the last two hundred years... of course he's angry. And I love, love, love that Hook continues to call Rumplestiltskin/Gold Crocodile too. :)
So... this episode is good overall, although it has its weaknesses too. And a lot of it has to do with Regina both in the backstory and in Storybrooke too. Her naivety towards how everyone feels towards her in both storylines just seems so off, which brings me back to my previous thoughts on how the writers don't seem to know how to write her character very well this second half of the season. I understand why Regina struggles so much with not feeling accepted when she wants to be so desperately. However, I hate that she's in so much denial that she can't see that even killing an entire village makes her evil. Her naivety really does just bother me a bit.
I've seen a number of shows and movies where villains believe themselves to be acting out of righteousness or for the good of others when they're really not. And this has spread throughout real life history as well, such as back in the crusades when men of God and warriors have killed innocent people believing to be doing God's will. But back to Regina... while she is evil and has done so many horrendous things, I still really love her character so much! Lana Parrilla is phenomenal as the Evil Queen, and the Evil Queen is a phenomenal villain too. :)
Next... While I really don't like Greg and Tamara at all, I do like and appreciate how they both manage to outsmart Regina with Hook's help, and I like the idea of seeing them form an alliance with Hook by throwing his failure to kill Rumple in his face in order to get him on their side. I don't like Greg's and Tamara's characters as a whole, but they are at least smart enough in this episode to use Hook to lure Regina into a trap. I just wish this plan throughout this episode was executed better than it was. This storyline, especially in regards to Greg and Tamara is a bit weaker than a number of others throughout this season. Hook as always is phenomenal, but he also isn't in this episode as much as I wish he would have been, and things are not explained at all.
As for Hook's storyline, which is easily my favorite storyline throughout this episode... I truly do believe that Hook is genuine in wanting to side with Regina once they start working together, until Regina of course betrays him like Hook of course suspected she would even before she pushes him off the cliff in the mines to face off against what's left of Maleficent in her mummified form. If Regina hadn't have betrayed him, I think Hook would have eventually turned against Greg and Tamara, and helped Regina gain back her magic by removing the cuff for her. Unfortunately for us, we'll never know. But as far as whose side Hook is on... he is always on his own side, and he will work with whoever can help him the most until he sees a different path. Because everyone does continue to betray him. And I feel bad for him because of it in spite of him still being a villain.
In answer to your questions about Maleficent... Maleficent is dead because Emma killed her back in season one's finale... A Land Without Magic. However, like Regina explains to Emma back in season one's finale, she cursed Maleficent so that her soul would remain trapped in whatever form she happened to be in. In Storybrooke, Maleficent was once alive and trapped in the form of a dragon until she was killed, because she was in the form of a dragon when the curse fell over her. And in this episode, it's revealed she has now become cursed as a mummified beast as her ashes reform into this creature that Hook fights once he lands in the very spot where Emma had killed her. I hope this makes sense.
As for my overall favorite moment in this episode... I love the scene when Hook talks to Regina about his belief that their lust for revenge, should they finally succeed in gaining it, will be the end of their lives because they will have no purpose to live any longer. It's so sad for him that he is so blinded by his pain and his lust for revenge, that he feels all he's meant to do with his life is to try to kill an immortal being that can't seem to be killed despite all of his efforts, and then that he expects to die in doing so. It's tragic really. It shows a much deeper side to Hook and I really love it! And then sadly, Regina has to make the pain we see in his eyes in that moment worse, by rubbing it in that she still has Henry to live for once she gains her revenge against Snow White and everyone else by destroying all of Storybrooke and everyone in it with her fail safe, when Hook will have no one should he actually survive. I just really love this moment between these two fantastic villains!!! :)
Now... after Regina pushes Hook off the cliff to face Maleficent, she walks over to what we see again to be Snow White's glass coffin, which was shown to be within the bottom of the mines back in season one's episode, That Still Small Voice. And at last we find out the purpose for Regina having hidden it down within the mines where it wouldn't be found... because Snow's coffin is where Regina has hidden the small blue jewel that is her fail safe with the power to destroy all of Storybrooke. However, before she can do anything with it, she returns to the library only to discover Hook is still alive as he's standing in front of her, having beat her back up somehow... in a way that is never explained aside from that Greg and Tamara somehow having helped him escape from Maleficent. It's too bad because I would have loved to know how Hook got away from her.
And now... Regina has been taken captive herself by Greg and Tamara. I honestly love watching Hook's facial expressions throughout this scene any time they show him, whether he's in the forefront, or in the background. He's certainly thinking carefully over every conceivable option.
Next... I do enjoy the backstory in the Enchanted Forest with Regina, Snow White, and Rumplestiltskin, as Regina at last accepts and declares herself to be the Evil Queen. I love the smile she always makes in powerful moments like this. It's perfect and so evil. This is my other favorite scene throughout this episode too.
However, like I said above, I don't like how naïve Regina is so naïve to believe that she's really so innocent after all she's done to try to capture Snow even before she slaughters the villagers, and that Snow is so evil. I'll get back to this in a moment...
Rumplestiltskin is hilarious and fun like always... when he comes to Regina bragging about the villainess she's become. And then, she asks Rumple to first teach her a cloaking spell, but when he states that it can't be taught so quickly, she then asks him if he can cast the spell on her so she can go out unseen among the villages to find Snow White.
In doing so, she learns exactly what her people think of her... that they hate and ridicule her, while they love and adore Snow White. To be honest... I feel that it is a little strange that Regina is so blinded by her hate for Snow, that she doesn't understand why her people hate her so much and why they can't see Snow White to be the villain she sees her as. However, it's true that the deep hatred someone has for another like Regina feels towards Snow, can certainly twist your sight and believe so much so that you can't see straight.
Hook feels this way towards Rumplestiltskin. The key difference between Hook and Regina as villains... is that Hook never sees himself as anything more than the villain he is. He isn't blinded to the fact that he is a villain. He knows it with every fiber of his being, which only continues to be more apparent as his character is developed further along. And I love that in spite of his confidence and bravado that he hides behind, you can also see a sense of sadness within him because of who he's become. Absolutely phenomenal!! :)
But back to the story... Regina attempts to confront a few of her Black Guards once she's cloaked, so the guards don't actually recognize her, just as no one else does. Everyone only sees her as a crazy woman trying to mock the Queen. The guards then arrest Regina and nearly behead her, until none other than Snow White herself appears in time to save her.
I really love seeing Snow care for this woman she believes to be only an innocent peasant woman, as she treats Regina's wound she receives in the fight against the guards, as well as her fever. Snow cares for Regina in a course of two days, while she talks about her hope that Regina will one day come to be the woman who once saved her from her runaway horse years ago. These scenes between them are really beautiful and for a moment... Regina even feels Snow's kindness in her words and thinks that they might have a chance to become a family again despite everything that's happened between them. And I actually really like this, despite it seeming almost unbelievable after seeing how deep Regina's hatred for Snow really goes for so long now.
Unfortunately, Snow then discovers the bodies of the villagers Regina killed for them harboring Snow. And Snow is livid and takes back everything she said about Regina possibly changing to be a better woman again. Then, Regina let's slip that she is somehow really Regina and Snow threatens to kill her. However, she can't go through with it because she doesn't have the heart to do so. And Regina runs back to Rumplestiltskin's castle to the Dark One, because she's still trapped under Rumple's cloaking spell. And Rumple shows up again at last and continues to mock her before he finally undoes his magic to make her herself again. I really love their interactions together.
As for the Storybrooke storyline between Emma, Henry, David, Mary Margaret, Regina, and Neal... I like the dilemma with everyone wanting or not wanting to return home to the Enchanted Forest.
However, I really hate the moment between Regina and Henry when she tells him about killing everyone using her fail safe, because it's obvious what Henry's reaction would be upon hearing that his mother wants to kill everyone else he loves and she should know that. But c'est la vie. She then erases his memory of their conversation too. It's sad. Poor Henry. Trouble is definitely coming up for the final two episodes.
And lastly... I didn't really like the scenes between Emma, Henry, and Neal as they're investigating Tamara either. Parts of them are funny. But I hate how no one aside from Henry believes in Emma's suspicions of Tamara. I understand why Emma is suspicious of Tamara and I like it, but the moment Neal comes in, the scene between them is just awkward and weird. I don't care much for it.
Overall... I enjoy this episode a lot and I'm so excited for you to watch all that's to come. Thank you again!!! Until next time...