July Request! (Episode 2 costumes - no spoilers in pic!)
Added 2023-07-29 10:28:38 +0000 UTCYou wanted to see the scene where I was like “oh they’re in love”? And then I pushed it a little farther! No spoilers because this doesn’t actually go down like this but the whole “liar” scene was it for me!
Rant about the spoilery general feeling right now:
So here’s the thing. Everything we saw at the end of the season looks a whole lot like religious trauma (to me - someone with a little religious trauma themself) and the Aziraphale hate is making me kind of sad. Remember when we all watched OFMD and were pissed off at Stede for a week and then kind of went “oooooh I get it”? I’m hoping that will be the fandom’s general response to Aziraphale on their second watch through! They both made some HUGE mistakes in the last scene but we love our dumb boys and I’m really excited for season 3!!
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I absolutely understand Aziraphale. I’m mad at him but I understand. He’s still naive. And he’s being told he can be in charge and bring his best friend with him. He thinks he can make a difference. He WANTS to make a difference and he’s wants desperately to believe he’s being told the truth. I can’t say I wouldn’t want to try too! But we know what Heaven’s like and therefore it’s hard to not think he’s an idiot and sympathize with Crowley.
Jessie Marie (SuperGeek21)
2023-08-01 04:49:45 +0000 UTCI only watched ofmd for the first time a few weeks ago this is too much heartbreak for me
Mathilde Roty
2023-07-31 20:06:42 +0000 UTCI think people are getting to the "oh I get it stage" now. It's only been a few days
Tarek Giver of Cookies
2023-07-30 15:04:57 +0000 UTCI'm confused by the people hating on Aziraphale, because yeah, that was 100% in character for him. I'm a little sad yes but obviously it was a cliffhanger, and what a cliffhanger at that! I'm very excited for s3, and I dearly hope we get one. I'm watching and rewatching as much as I can to help make that happen! Cuz if there's not enough views on s1 and s2, Amazon won't see fit to make s3 and THAT would be a tragedy!
Horizon
2023-07-30 13:24:06 +0000 UTCI agree that decision was probably Aziraphale's with a master manipulators hand behind it. The idea of being able to change heaven for the better would probably have been very tempting for him paticularly if could have Crowley with him. However, given that final smile during the credits I'm not completely convince that the coffee did nothing. Maybe opened him up to being taken over. But yes the initial decision was Aziraphalevs.
Julian
2023-07-30 02:18:40 +0000 UTCMy first reactat the was that I was kinda mad at Neil for this heartbreaking ending. But I know we will get that cottage in the end..
Kat Holtz
2023-07-30 01:22:21 +0000 UTCI also agree. Aziraphale doesn't grastthe evil intentions of heaven just yet. He didn't experience what Crowley did. I don't think he shared the full story with Aziraphale . He craves the acceptance of his abusers. He will need some time to get to the best choice. He thinks in sacrificing his relationship with Crowley he will be able to guarantee Crowley's safety forever and isn't that more important?
Kat Holtz
2023-07-30 01:17:59 +0000 UTCAgreed! I’m upset with Aziraphale but I understand a lot of it. It’s an abusive relationship cycle as well. We know he’ll come around and choose their own side in the end. And it will be Aziraphale’s choice! He and Crowley needed more time to talk - they weren’t understanding each other even though they were talking honestly.
Erin Connor
2023-07-30 00:08:41 +0000 UTC👆👆👆 this 100%, all of these! I believe they were both portrayed as wanting some thing but that they have no idea what it is, never the less how to ask for it. I think they both reacted poorly at the end of the season but DID made decisions based on where they are in their emotional maturity. 🥰 Because of this, my hypothesis, so far is that season three will be a conclusion of a three season story arc that sees them develop emotionally for themselves, as well as for each other. Season three will mean they finally talking finally understand each other, and right now they just can’t do that. They don’t have the tools or the experience.
alice-eggshell
2023-07-30 00:01:18 +0000 UTCThis is a very comprehensive breakdown and makes a lot of sense.
Nicola Coxon
2023-07-29 21:15:00 +0000 UTCI loved it. No hate for either of them.
Ashfae
2023-07-29 21:10:45 +0000 UTCThiiiiiis. And especially point 3! There’s a reason they spent a whole episode on the Job story! It wasn’t like they just randomly chose a Bible story so they could have a ye olde days plot. It’s so brilliantly played.
Katy Werlin
2023-07-29 18:42:59 +0000 UTCI would have been angry if Aziraphale DIDN’T take the promotion because it would have been so completely out of character for him. We just spent two seasons watching him be helpless to fix all the horrors of the world and then he gets offered a chance to actually make a difference AND bring his demon boyfriend along to boot? OF COURSE he’s going to take it. Plus, this is how abusive relationships work. People go back to their abusers all the time because “this time will be different” or “I can change him”. I am, of course, a puddle of tears and sadness but honestly I think it was a brilliant ending. The series has been very much an Aziraphale character study and this was absolutely the right second act. Now we need to see it resolve in season 3!!!!! (If there is not one I will riot. I want my fluffy happy ending dammit.)
Katy Werlin
2023-07-29 18:36:48 +0000 UTCIs there somewhere I can DM you? I can't seem to do it here...
Atelerix
2023-07-29 18:03:34 +0000 UTCYes I'm on so many I just have to pick one...
Atelerix
2023-07-29 17:58:12 +0000 UTCThis is such a good breakdown of why he did what he did and I will say I don’t hate Aziraphale at all and any hate he gets is absolutely unmerited.
TheeeDJSiren
2023-07-29 17:10:13 +0000 UTCHere's the link t' Whiteley's server. https://discord.gg/M6RQggTr -Crowley
Planetary System
2023-07-29 17:08:37 +0000 UTCI’m not mad at Aziraphale. I’m not convinced he was entirely himself in this scene. I think the Metatron did something to his coffee. The whole thing did feel very religious trauma-y. But my god, was it devastating. That scene broke me. And then when I saw Crowley waiting by the car, waiting for Aziraphale to come to his senses, it broke me all over again. And the during the credits where it just showed their faces looking absolutely devastated, broken. I have been personally victimized by Neil Gaiman for those last couple of scenes.
Nichole Hayden
2023-07-29 16:55:38 +0000 UTCwhiteley has a discord server for their patrons! there should be a link to it on here somewhere, i think 🤔
Planetary System
2023-07-29 16:36:27 +0000 UTCAlso, can someone invite me to a good omens discord? I need to talk about this with people who care as much as I do. 🫠
Aurelia
2023-07-29 14:41:26 +0000 UTCI’m not as on board with this one yet (i just don’t hear it 😅 maybe it’s just me!) but it’s an interesting theory
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 14:38:33 +0000 UTCAlso... here's what I realized in the second watch: 1) Aziraphale wants to protect everything he loves. In season 1 he keeps trying to reach the right people in order to protect the world, and to protect humans, and most of all, to protect Crowley. When he speaks to the metatron in Season 1, you can see the powerlessness on his face when he realizes no one in the higher ups will listen to him, and God definitely wont. So then he finally calls the one being who will. He finally chooses to directly go against his orders, rather than toeing the line in subverting them, but he still thinks he's doing what's right, for the sake of the world, humans, and the being he loves. He thinks Heaven is mistaken, not that Heaven is as bad as Hell. He didnt witness them telling him to "Shut his stupid mouth, and die." I dont think this decision is out of left field at all. Here's his chance to fulfill his purpose as a protector. Aziraphale thinks this is his chance to never be powerless again. This is his chance to make sure the earth never gets destroyed on a whim or because of the ignorance and callousness clearly demonstrated by the other angels who don't consult him on policy decisions. This is his chance to protect Crowley from Heaven and Hell, forever. This is his chance to be listened to and FINALLY make a difference. Of COURSE he is going to take it. and 2) Aziraphale knows Crowley ALWAYS circles back after "walking away." We see it in season 1 repeatedly. We see it as a whole scene on ep 1 of season 2. The final lines are a direct reference to ep 1 when he says he wants Crowley's help but there's nothing more to say. Crowley ALWAYS threatens to leave, then comes back to his angel. So I think, even with all the devastation, Aziraphale thinks Crowley just needs time to rage and then will come to his senses and return, just like he always does. 3) He is 💯 blinded by the love bombing/opportunity being presented to him by a horribly toxic institution. But he's still an angel. Even after going against Heaven, even after lying to God, he never fell, and so must assume this was all planned for a reason, and this is a reward for doing what was right and not losing faith (parallel to Job.) And on top of that he's rewarded with forgiveness and power not just for himself, but his demonic counterpart who, we know, previously wouldn't ever be forgiven by anyone but Aziraphale himself. They get to be together, they get to run heaven, they get to protect the humans, they will be safe, they'll be on the same side, and both of them will be loved and forgiven by God and Heaven. How, in Heaven, Hell, or Earth could Aziraphale say no to that?
Aurelia
2023-07-29 14:33:06 +0000 UTCI’m also devastated about all the Aziraphale hate 😭 Like yeah he fucked up but he wasn’t being intentionally cruel or anything, he’s deeply traumatized by a literal cult. This is people being pissed at Song for leaving all over again 😭
Ash S.
2023-07-29 14:02:26 +0000 UTCMeanwhile I was able to hear it pretty much immediately. And now I can’t unhear it, like with the Bentley greeting Crowley 🥺 To be fair maybe this is a case of denial is a river in egypt but that theory did make me feel better about the ending so it’s fine 😂🥲
Little0cean
2023-07-29 13:58:17 +0000 UTCAbsolutely agree!!
Lana_Fox
2023-07-29 13:57:48 +0000 UTCTotally agree!!
Tiffo
2023-07-29 13:51:02 +0000 UTCThanks for the spoiler in the text, Whiteley.
Tina Rhea
2023-07-29 13:43:08 +0000 UTCThere was also a miracle noise when metatron handed Azi the coffee. i don't think it was entirely Aziraphale
Aikosakura
2023-07-29 13:03:58 +0000 UTCI did see it on the discord too! I just can’t hear it 😅
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 12:44:17 +0000 UTCI knew from the moment Neil said there was a third season that this season would end in pain… It was still devastating. And I completely hear you about religious trauma, that is exactly what happened. 6000 years under heaven’s control cannot be undone in just 4 years on your own. Also, even though Aziraphale went with him, Metatron manipulated my Angel and does NOT have good intentions for him! Neil (and Terry) promised me a cottage in the South Downs, and I believe them 😇❤️😈
JillianVolts
2023-07-29 12:37:41 +0000 UTCIt’s super super faint! I found a good recording on twitter. I can send it in discord hold on.
Little0cean
2023-07-29 11:43:51 +0000 UTCGreat Star Wars analogy, that is exactly how I feel! 😂
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 11:38:32 +0000 UTCThis, so much this 😭🥺❤️❤️❤️ it still hurts and I’m upset for them both but it’s impossible (for me at least) to have any strong negative feelings about our Angel, it’s just NOT gonna happen in this house! 😇❤️😈 I know we’ll get our questions answered and I’m already burning for that reconciliation and reunion scene ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 plus I’m keen to see the apology dance if Crowley let’s him go through with it!
Nicola Coxon
2023-07-29 11:30:40 +0000 UTCI will admit I tried so hard to hear that miracle and I just can’t 😞
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 11:29:24 +0000 UTCThank you for all your lovely artwork and for your thoughts on the finale. My heart broke for Crowley, but I totally got what was going on with Aziraphale, too. And yes - thank you for pointing out that they BOTH made mistakes in that scene, and, actually, all season long. Let’s just say I think Crowley needed more time to reflect on what Maggie and Nina told him (Crowley thinks he’s protecting Aziraphale, but he’s just keeping him in the dark on so many things). Poor Aziraphale just wants to be good and make everything right, and the Metatron knew exactly which buttons to push. Aziraphale thinks of how Heaven and Hell want to destroy everything and how unjust things can be, and thinks if he’s in charge he can fix those things. He remembers how happy Crowley was pre-fall, and thinks that if he can just get him back up there amongst his stars he could be that happy again (he’d be safe and protected there, too). And now the poor guy is stuck - he’s gotta stop the second coming from effing everything up. He can’t run back to Crowley no matter how badly he wants to. The Metatron played it perfectly. The goal was to separate them. If they set off all the alarms in Heaven when trying to keep their miracle small, imagine how unstoppable those two would be if they were actually trying inflect damage? So yes - deep breath, everyone. We’re in the “Empire Strikes Back” middle chapter. Han Solo is frozen in carbonite, Luke just found out his father is space trash and everything feels bleak. But it will get better. Like our other favorite silly Blond (Stede) did, I’m sure Aziraphale will have his epiphany and will go get his demon back. In the meantime, Crowley will probably go off the rails a bit to some dark places, but he’ll be able to pull himself back up. And they’ll all be better for it.
Kostgard
2023-07-29 11:29:23 +0000 UTCI 100% get why Aziraphale would do that (I also enjoy the spiked coffee theory) but he can still stand in the corner for a while.
Little0cean
2023-07-29 11:28:05 +0000 UTCTotally! And we’ve had four years to overthink Aziraphale’s relationship with heaven, but when it comes down to it (unlike crowley) we haven’t seen anything from him that says he’s ready to cut himself off entirely!
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 11:27:34 +0000 UTCIt's true, my innitial feelings were whyyyyyyyy, but yes, there are reasons why. Also, Aziraphale continually seeing Crowley do the objective right things even when he or heaven won't or can't see what is truly right, of course Aziraphale would think 'we can make heaven perfect together, you deserve it, we deserve it.' Knowing that Crowley is still pained about falling in the first place, but Aziraphale can't see that Crowley would still never go back. That he can miss being an angel without actually wanting that life again. Aziraphale needs to become his own person completely and give up on the perfect idea of heaven that will never be. (And I want him to do the little dance)
LupinsandLaurels
2023-07-29 11:22:34 +0000 UTCAt first I was really upset because that just seemed out of left field for Aziraphale after the events for season 1. But retraumatization happens all the time for people like Aziraphale. And the way the Metatron just love bombed him like that made more sense to me. I know we’ll get that happy ending one day. Our pair just have to work a little harder for it.
Ace Of Tales
2023-07-29 11:21:46 +0000 UTCWe need time to heal from the original trauma, but the analysis has already begun. Aziraphale will be fine; we all still love him.
Kaiannanthi
2023-07-29 11:10:02 +0000 UTCI just keep telling myself that the way it ended sets them up for a really great arc in a third season—which Neil has been open about wanting to do for years. Statistically they say it takes about 7 times for a person suffering from DV to leave their situation, and 4-ish years isn’t enough time for Aziraphale to recover from what Heaven did for 6000 years. Of course he was going to give in at the slightest hint of approval.
sparksearcher
2023-07-29 10:53:15 +0000 UTCHonestly it really read to me like Aziraphale (raised in a religious environment) finally acting on the fact that he was gay, and then immediately being presented with Option A: this messy undefined scary thing that he’s always been told is wrong. Or Option B: Pray on it, do what’s safe, and it will pay off for your loved one too. As gay person in the church you can leave forever with your lover and live sinful lives OR you can bring them into the church and try to “save” them. It was really well done in my opinion! I’m heartbroken buuuuut it makes a lot of sense.
Whiteley Foster
2023-07-29 10:44:16 +0000 UTCI was Aziraphale not so long ago. Not religious, but going on an off with a bunch of people I considered friends that only made fun of me, and following what was expected of me at home. But it was easier, safer, remaining there because change was (still is) scary, and I feel that's what's happening in Aziraphale's mind right now. He's scared, he's always been scared, and he has to realize who he is and what he's worth. The "what am I?" in this same scene made so much sense to me!!!!
Marta
2023-07-29 10:39:01 +0000 UTComg This is so beautiful 😭😭 I’m very disappointed because the one thing on my wish list for s2 was “ends happily with C+A at peace and together” - and I don’t even mean “together” in the allonormative, amatonormative sense. So loving these two so deeply since I was 17 (almost 20 years!!) and being left open-ended without a confirmed s3 has me devastated. All that being said, s2 was incredible writing-, acting-, and everything-wise. I’m just deeply sad. It’s crazy (fictional characters!!) but it feels a bit like grief! 😂😵💫 I will rewatch it a LOT - but maybe not the last half hour, at least for a little while.
M
2023-07-29 10:37:35 +0000 UTCYoure right i didnt think about it this way. I think we are all a little heartbroken so its hard not to wish it ended differently. I keep reminding myself that s3 WILL have a happy ending and their story will be worth it 😭❤️❤️
Zoe Cunnington
2023-07-29 10:36:50 +0000 UTCI will watch season two on repeat for the next four years if it gets me season three.
SH
2023-07-29 10:30:06 +0000 UTC
