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BTS Beyond The Stars Episode 2

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same steph, i can't separate the art from the artist. when I see all the pain bts went through i struggle to view all the content from that time with a clear or separate lens. it almost feels like dirty or fake to enjoy something they agonised so much over even when i understand it's different now and that they chose this again.

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Ruth Ester RamĂ­rez MartĂ­nez

😭 Gahh.. hard to watch~ but ya, I agree that Covid in a way saved them. Even though it depressed them they couldn't do what they loved about their career, it gave them time to compartmentalize everything they were struggling with. I've mentioned before but In The Soop was sooo needed for some of the members, V being one of them, because he was depressed for so long after losing loved ones and not even getting a chance to breathe and process that because they were touring or preparing for the next release or next interview.. he and JK mentioned in ITS that they basically stopped talking to each other as friends because V shut down. He was posting less on Twitter and Weverse and the things he was saying were concerning, like how basically he was doing nothing but staring at his ceiling in silence for weeks because he didn't enjoy anything anymore, and things like that until army was constantly putting pressure on him "are you ok? What's wrong with V? I miss old V" ect. Which sparked a V hate group (at my concert there was a major death threat against him so we had men with automatic weapons lining the building) and ugh.. it was a rough time for him and I know Namjoon was also struggling severely with social phobia and anxiety and panic disorders. He wrote a letter to army one time about how he would be up in the middle of the night, unable to sleep and screaming and crying into his pillow.. I literally can't watch anything from Tear era without crying and I feel their pain, especially Hobi's pain whenever they perform the song Tear, because he said he couldn't talk to anyone about how he was feeling. The other members could sometimes talk through their struggle but he always felt like he had to be the happy one who lifts everyone's spirits and support others, he couldn't let himself be the emotional one, and you see it in the documentaries the points he just seems to shut off, then suddenly turn back on when another member was around him. Ugh, ok I'm gonna stop now. I'm making myself even more emotional đŸ„ș

Chels

LOL ... I don't know if you've been suggested this video yet, but you should watch a reaction to BTS and BPD (Band Shi-Hyuk) relationship, which is basically the boys making fun of him and him just accepting it 😂😂😂

Suttin More

During that time, I was so mad and frustrated about everything especially the threats ofc along with the 'break wings' project

Kearyce Moore

You two are my absolute favourite bts reactors. I've been following your stuff since you started watching bts and I just love hearing your opinions and discussions 💜 Cheers up my day everytime, even if the topic is a bit sad sometimes

Tarmill

And here I thought Swifties were hardcore

Dale Tucker

they are not the usual popstars as you know it. Yes they are popstars, superstars even, but they go beyond those stuff. Their music and they themseleves have helped countless people through difficult times, and its not just about their music (and yes it is about their music, these songs have deep level shit that you would really understand if you are open minded enough to understand them), its about what they fight for, the fact that they are underdogs, whay theu fight against. They donated millions to charity, these donations are matched by army on their behalf. They are UN ambassadors, they have a cultural merit award in Korea and i cannot even emphasize what it means to them and to the country. I can go on and on about how they are different from the other pop stars that you know what always talk about sex, girls, money. Everytime someone gets confused why BTS is the way they are and that many people support them, i often say just open your eyes and they'll show you

drew

They haven't delved into the BU yet so I think it would be better to watch it after getting introduced to the BU content.

Sjfyy_

But they did a lot of that in previous documentaries. I think this docu-series is supposed to be a continuation from their last one. Which is why it focuses so much on 2020 because the last one was focused on 2019.

Sjfyy_

Holy crap all of that is infuriating and we weren’t even there dealing with it ourselves at the time

Wes And Steph

That is insane!!!!

Wes And Steph

That’s right!

Wes And Steph

It was taken down temporarily but got reuploaded by the creator

berryberrystarwberry

Wesley thought it had been taken down from YT?

Wes And Steph

Interesting!!! We’ll think about it for sure!!

Wes And Steph

love this

koo9e

thank you guys for this reaction I enjoy so much watching this with you cause I love hearing you thoughts and opinions, cause I've been watching for such a long time now and I just know that you've grown to understand and love Bts because of the way you talk about them and how you feel proud and supportive to them. It would be awesome if you react to their 2021 Festa dinner cause they talked a little bit more about their 2015-2017 hardships cause Wes is right they were fighting against the industry system they came from a small company they didn't have the connections to the media like other companies and they got mistreated a lot during that time, there were a lot of baseless rumors and fake news that made them and the fandom suffer that's why the song 2!3! is hard to listen because it brings back those memories, but it also gives you hope that one day everything will be okay, I just love how honest they are about what they are thinking and feeling, and I'm so happy they eventually found a way to balance their work and personal life, they are more relax and confident now and they used the pandemic lockdown to reflect on themselves and their goals and they use it for healing to, I guess it was a crucial time for them too. Can't wait for the next episode I enjoy this so much bye!!!

Daniela Miño

Oh yes!!

Rinakin

i love hearing all your discussion, i feel like you've really grown to understand bts and empathize and feel proud of them just the way we all feel. And Wes is completely right, bts were fighting industry and like he said once your fighting industry your fighting media. i think bts have always had this fight with the media and industry like back then they were ignored for being from a small company and were refused exposure and not too long even though bts has achieved so much the'yre kind of dismissed in media (particularly in Korea) like i remember when they were nominated for a Grammy (first kpop group ever) in the media they weren't being proud it was well they failed to achieve it soooooo....even now with the hybe vs min hee jin situation, bts are being thrown in the conversation and questioned for their success and saying did they even achieve that themselves or is it all just hybe's power as if bts isn't the reason hybe is where it is now. ugh i don't know it's just frustrating. Anyway didn't mean to go off on a tangent. love watching yall's reaction cant wait for next week

Waffles

yes, yes, yessssss !!!! đŸ„ș

Nele

you have no idea how much i love and appreciate ALL your perspectives, discussions, opinions... so amazing and in-depth đŸ„șđŸ«¶

Nele

Hi! Love your reactions! Idk if you've already been told that, but there's a Bangtan Universe drama out now called Begins≠Youth - it's based on BTS fictional lore throughout their HYYH album series (i need u, run, blood sweat and tears mv plots etc.) and ITS SO GOOD -literally would sell my soul for you to see that show, maybe consider checking it out when time comes? It's just 12 episodes and actors are so alike the actual members I think you will enjoy it.. Thank u sm anyways!!

Lida

I don't know how much they would enjoy it though cause a lot of the videos of Rise of Bangtan after the first few episodes are from their documentary and stuff they watch and the episodes kinda leave you with questions about stuff like the RM and plagiarism it makes you think that he actually did it and not explaining what really happened. maybe it's just me I don't know and sorry for my English

ly1111

Idk if this is the appropriate place to comment this but maybe after finishing this series and hope on the street next, I have some suggestions!! 😄 I would love to see you guys do a reaction to more of their music maybe watch live performances (they have so many great live performances) or concerts you haven’t seen yet. Another idea I have is you guys could do an ot7 album review from the beginning to their latest album to listen to songs that maybe you guys haven’t heard fully before also some of their solo albums/mixtape that haven’t been reacted to yet! 💜

miniemimi

I think you guys would really benefit from finishing the rise of bangtan it gives a lot more context to these moments and answers a lot of your questions

berryberrystarwberry

I’m the opposite of Steph. The Fake Love era is my favorite era out of all of BTS’ history and the Love Yourself: Tear album is my absolute favorite album of all time, not just from BTS. At first it was simply because the music, artistry, and performance that came out of the era was impeccable and remains the best product I think BTS has ever put out. After learning abt all the hardships they endured during that time and their contemplation of disbandment, I began to love that era and album even more. Suddenly, I could see and hear a different level of passion and pain coming through in their art. In a way, it was the perfect era for that type turmoil due to the lyrical content and thematic nature of the Love Yourself: Tear album
and once I could see that additional layer to it all I fell even more in love. In my mind, that album was the literal product of all of BTS’ blood, sweat, and tears, and if it had ended up being their last it would’ve been the greatest end in musical history. Those songs and performances already meant so much to me, but they mean so much more to me now with all the knowledge I have of that time, that I can’t even articulate it properly. I feel like I’m just rambling trying to express how much it means to me. I’ll never feel guilty for loving that era as much as I do, I think both BTS and ARMY endured too much in 2018 not to hold that era dear to our heart.

Ahjusshi_Brown

You guys should really consider checking out the BTS Episodes that BTS posts on their YouTube channel with behinds the scenes content of their US award show performances/appearances. There, you can REALLY feel just how disproportionate ARMYs support for BTS versus other artists and their fans during these events. You could even react to their performance/appearances before reacting to the behind the scenes (aka BTS Episodes—that’s what they’re called on their channel) if you’d like.

Ahjusshi_Brown

34:56 this is the beginning of bon voyage season 2 :)

Lela

Yeah I was pretty confused by the pacing and timing of this docu series as well. I wished they'd spent more time/gotten into more detail on the earlier stuff. Instead there is a lot of focus on covid times and the cancelled tour later on. I had hoped it could be a good docu to introduce/show non fans to bts but I think it would be way too confusing without a lot of explanations lol

Lela

If BTS was a western boy band I’d agree with you guys that the vitriol would be driven by older peeps and men (bc a lot of that is rooted in sexism and belittling what women, particularly young women, enjoy). But that’s not the case for K-pop and certainly wasn’t the case with ARMYs. BTS and ARMYs were getting attacked by other K-pop fandoms, the K-pop industry, and corrupt journalists. Unfortunately we’re literally enduring the tiniest bit of what us OG ARMYs endured back in 2015-2018 rn but yeah
you guys were 100% right abt how defending someone you know is being unjustly attacked bonds people. I won’t recount all that BTS and us endured back then (I wouldn’t be able to without writing at least 3 novels in the comments) but I genuinely wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Like BTS, the psychological damage that era had on many ARMYs is irreversible. It was ridiculous
.but we survived, as BTS and ARMY always does.

Ahjusshi_Brown

Light sticks have been a part of K-pop since 2nd gen (late 2000s/early 2010s) so BTS has had a light stick since their first little concerts with the Red Bullet Tour (which was a BTS tour, if it’s an award show they’ll always say award show—they don’t call those performances concerts), BUT they didn’t have army bombs yet. Back then, most light sticks weren’t as elaborate as they are now and BTS didn’t have an official fandom color at the time so they were literal yellow light sticks (think glow sticks almost, you can google it BTS’ first light stick and it’ll show up). Edit: I wrote this before they showed footage from the red bullet tour so, there’s no need to look it up 😂😂 the little yellow sticks are right there

Ahjusshi_Brown

No, Korean music shows aren’t like Jimmy Fallon, tickets are sold specifically to fans. There’s literally no one there but fans 😂😂 In fact, there’s a limited amt of seats and specific times that fans of each group can be there so they usually verify fans by only admitting ppl with official fan cafe verification (which nowadays can be purchased on Weverse).

Ahjusshi_Brown

Well
Jin is a rich billionaire when you think abt it (or at least an estimated one, thanks to BTS’ stock in HYBE anyway) 😂😂

Ahjusshi_Brown

Hiii the Xceleste bts hardships video is a really good one which explains a lot of the stuff the members had to go through time and time again. Suga said "In 2016, we really described us was that we are living from hell. Because we were attacked by so many different areas and we didnÂŽt know why "Why do they hate us so much?". But yeah 2015-2016 was really bad for the members and they have talked a bit about it. Here's the link to Xceleste video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdY6wnLsetQ

noel

(16:10 - 17:33) Yeah, honestly a lot of the hate towards artists like BTS or Bieber just stems from straight up misogyny. If your fandom is largely female dominated, that identity will be used to discredit and invalidate your achievements and downplay how good you actually are as an artist. People make their judgement before they've even given the music a fair chance because ''oh no teenage girls enjoy it so it must be horrible''.

tannie misser

Yeah, it was after the MOTS Tour, that Jin planned to enlist. BE album was supposed to be the last. He was turning 28 in Dec 2020, & the latest age one could delay their enlistment. But Covid happened, then they released Dynamite. It was also the year he got so much hate bc he still wasn't enlisting, w/ the debate from SK govt on whether they should be exempted or not, bc they've gotten so much bigger after Dynamite, resulting to them passing BTS law before his bday, bc they couldn't get a consensus & the fact how much BTS were bringing in for SK that time, that they could delay their ms til age 30. So much happened that year & Jin got the brunt of it just bc he's the oldest of the group. RM said he lost grip of the group after Butter release I think, not Dynamite. But it might've been the start when he felt losing grip & sense of loss of direction for the group bc after Dynamite, they've reached a higher level of fame & ofc another level pressure & expectations for them.

Danie Vasquez

Yeaah, this doc mostly focused on what happened to them from the year Covid started. That's why most fans were disappointed bc of the time jump but honestly all those past years have been discussed in their 3 docuseries. That's why there are flashback clips from those. If u want to learn more of their beginnings tho, it's all available on YT. Someone recommended it here in the comments, Bangtan Subs have a playlist of all BTS vids from the beginning w/ subs. It's a gold mine. If u want more, I recommend reading their book, Beyond The Story. I heard there's an audio book of it too, just not sure where to find it tho. Lol

Danie Vasquez

I think they were planning on a break in 2020 regardless of Covid. From their last Festa dinner in 2022 and other Vlives they talked about how the tour in 2020 was going to be their goodbye for a little while and presumably that's when Jin would have left to go to the military. But then Covid happened and they felt like they couldn't leave ARMY during such a tough time and so much was unknown/unstable. That's also when RM says they started to loose their grip on what they knew as BTS and were just aimlessly going forward ironically becoming bigger than every because Covid BTS gave us Dynamite/Butter/PTD which were meant as soothing balms for ARMY going through a global pandemic but also very different from their previous music hence why RM said he felt lost and didn't know what message they were sending out as a group anymore. If I've missed or misrepresented something, fellow ARMYs please correct me. As always, thanks for the reaction.

That Girl Z

Now this is why I subscribed to you lol I just love your discussions & understandings of situations. I admire y'all for having such an open mind & sharing different perspectives of cultures as well.

Danie Vasquez

Sorry for all the comments, you were talking about how you didn't connect Steve Aoki and Mic Drop but then Steph mentioned she loved the Chainsmokers and they did a song with BTS too that, if I remember correctly, is a favorite of Steph's too..."Best of Me" off of their Love Yourself: Her album.

SNBangtan

The fans of other artists definitely get a little intimidated by ARMY, I think. At iHeartRadio's Jingleball 2019 (maybe 2020?), BTS performed first and the whole crowd were ARMYs with their lightsticks and they were so loud. When Lizzo came out later, she asked for the same energy and said something like "scream for me as if I was Jimin," and then Katy Perry made the mistake of insulting the fans saying something about how it must be nice to be able to stay up past our bedtimes (to an arena full of adults) and the lightsticks went off and half the audience just walked out. She apologized the next day. At the BBMA's during Fake Love, Neyo took an insta story saying he was shocked at the crowd reaction to BTS and he was really curious to know more about them. And announcers always comment on how wild the fans are about to get bc BTS is up. Kelly Clarkson wore earmuff to announce them. There are cool youtube compilations showing celebs reacting to ARMY. It's fun to see them realize how big BTS is because of our strength.

SNBangtan

Remember during Jin’s suchwita? He said they only had one or two days off a month during that 2017/2018 time. It hurts to hear them talk about how much they were struggling, though I’m grateful they’re so open. Like RM said, it’s hard to know how sincere to be. About the hate and rumours: I wasn’t there, but there was a lot of plagiarism and chart manipulation talk. Since BTS used common concepts like school uniforms, dyed hair colours, took inspiration from art (which they credited!) people thought they were unoriginal/copying “better” artists and idols. Also, they had a very international fanbase. Especially in the first few years they had more foreign fans than korean fans, so the public didn’t understand why they were rising on the charts and accused them of bulk buying albums to boost sales. It’s really cruel, especially since it’s so unfounded. Several BTS members received death threats during this time, and like RM said, he developed an anxiety disorder over this. I love Suga’s comparison of the moment before a couple breaks up - they both know what’s happening but no one wants to be the one to say it out loud. Very reminiscent of his lyrics in Trivia: Seesaw. I honestly see BTS as a kind of seven-way marriage: the level of mutual life commitment and time spent together and decision making is definitely on the same level, and the stress and pressure is probably a lot higher. At least in a marriage, there’s “only” two opinions to worry about, with seven people there’s a much higher chance even one person out of seven will (understandably!) decide to leave. I think that’s why I’m so impressed at how hard they’ve worked at their communication and their bond and their respect. It’s very rare and very special. The original plan if covid hadn’t happened would have been to do a world tour in 2020 and get the military service over with during 2021 and 2022, and then come back and continue - so covid basically pushed their plans back by 3 years
 But we got the beautiful BE album instead, and more time for solo projects, so I think they made the best out of the situation.

CC

Bangtan bombs, episodes and Festas on YT would be pretty cool. And for Patreon after this documentary watching Memories DVDs, Season Greetings, Summer and Winter Packages would be fun. Still so much Bangtan fun to be had.

That Girl Z

You might surprise yourself if you check out some of the BTS content they reacted too. I'm a metalhead, of which there are a ton in the fandom, I would never thought I would listen the BTS. Then I delved into their discography, found the translations, watch their lives, watched their variety shows and before you know it, you are respecting the hell outta this group. I don't do boybands and I don't jive with really the rest of "kpop" but there is other good music out of Korea and the rest of the world. Just gotta find it, because the music industry won't show it to you. They're curating your playlists and many don't even know it. I'm 45 and went to a concert of BTS.....pretty much full of adults over 25, men and women

Marissa K

To provide some context as an ARMY that started really following them in 2015 about some hardships that aren't frequently brought up: In 2013-2015 they were frequently nicknamed "the dirt of kpop" bc they were frequently seen in knockoff brands, and a lot of them had very heavy "country boy" accents, with none of the members being from Seoul (which is somewhat uncommon in kpop), a lot of the members also didn't fit the Korean beauty standards at the time and there were jokes about how they couldn't even afford plastic surgery They also received a lot of hate following "plagiarism" allegations that were unfounded or just stupid (uniforms, concepts, hair colors) but the general public would think it was regarding their music bc they only heard "plagiarism" without knowing the context. When they would perform, they were frequently hit with the "Black ocean", where fans of other groups would purposely turn off their lightsticks to showcase lack of support during BTS performances Even within the fandom, there were a lot of negative news during that time, members were frequently passing out or getting injured from performances. There were even allegations about them having an abusive manager (ARMYs called out a clip where JK was seen flinching from a manager that was acting as if to strike him, and there was another clip of the same manager yelling at/shoving V in an airport, it was then suddenly announced that the manager was stepping down from the role but there was never anything released about the details of what happened) "Break Wings" project from 2016 is also frequently mentioned but not discussed in detail. But it was basically where multiple other fandoms teamed up with a plan to "act as ARMY" on social media while writing hate comments or being rude to other groups to "sabotage" their release of the album "Wings" There was sooooo much more that happened from death threats, to broadcasting issues/scandals, mistreatment on TV shows (which is actually what led to the creation of RUN BTS lol), misogyny allegations, racist comments as they were starting to go into the US, etc etc. It was a really tough time to be BTS or ARMY, but that's also why BTS will frequently say, "ARMYs protect us,and we protect ARMY" it really built an unbreakable trust between BTS and ARMY

bmystee

They're not just popstars though. Like I thought that back in 2018, too. But these guys have a wide range of music (really heavily couched in hip hop as the three founding members are all rappers), it's just the three songs (in their 11-year, 22 album discography) that the west is willing to play on the radio happen to be English pop songs. On top of their artistry (and btw, they write their own stuff and sometimes even produce it), they are entertainers. Like think of your favorite youtubers, and BTS will stand up to them easy. They have a dozen variety shows--hundreds of episodes of all different kind of content (games/challenges/travel/concert behind-the-scenes/home life/cooking/pranks/hobbies, etc). They are 7 really good guys who have this once-in-a-lifetime bond, are all funny as hell, and a story that is made for movies. They're just a ton of fun to watch and the reason they have the biggest fanbase in the world is because we get their rich, complex, meaningful music and we come to root for them as people through their extra content. If you have time, give them a try. They're not what you think and there's a reason why they have fans from every walk of life and every corner of the world. They've got the goods.

SNBangtan

I know it's not intentional, but this comment feels like satire. Wes and Steph literally made a comment in this video about people assuming something is not good just because it's popular and how that applies to BTS. In fact, they specifically pointed out that anything that is well-liked by female teenagers tends to be looked down upon, and then seeing this right after seems almost comical.

Sabbie

I would love for you guys to watch The Rise of Bangtan fully once you finish this series. I know you started it a while back but never finished it. For context, it has 21 really well-made episodes covering the time period that you have seen in the first 2 episodes here. It stitches together footage from all sorts of sources to paint a full picture of what it was like back then and it made me appreciate their "rise" so much more.

Sabbie

Well, don't judge a book by it's cover kinda deal here eh? Guess you're right, I haven't watched any of it.

Dale Tucker

Is they don't “strike you as the type” then doesn't that say something about your understanding of bts? Because bts certainly aren't just pop stars lol they multifaceted individuals with sincere messages — that's why they have such a large fandom.

☟Joey

I'm really not understanding this comment. If you are genuinely confused about the BTS reactions then you can maybe watch BTS to understand. BTS are more than popstars you would be surprised, they have music in various genres and don't have a distinct sound, they also have variety shows which show how sincere and humble they are. BTS are men in their late 20's-early 30's and majority of the fandom are of similar age, infact there are fans of all ages not just teenagers, I am 28 years old and love BTS. I don't think it's fair to judge without any knowledge about the subject.

Zahraa

Man, as a new subscriber, these BTS reactions confuse the hell out of me. Like not the actual content, but the fact that you two watch this stuff in the first place. Always thought BTS is something for teenagers, like Backstreet Boys was back in the day. You two just don't strike me as the type of people that enjoy this popstar stuff.

Dale Tucker

Oh yes please!! Its a heartbreaking video but important for army journey

Rinakin

If you get a chance, check out some of these vids. They are from Phds and critics from Korea that can give you some background. Anything with Dr Jiyoung Lee is great. She sets up scholar symposiums for Army to discuss or theorize some of what BTS creates or how it inspired them and got them to write papers on certain subjects. Like Socialology, Anthropology, psychology, historians, novelists etc. You can find some of talks on YT. Below are some links to some of the commentary by Dr. Jiyoung Lee and music critic Kim Young Dae. Both back BTS and Army and they will talk a bit about BTS hardships, relationship with Kmedia and Army to the muggles. https://youtu.be/Uaj1X76h2mQ?si=T5s2ZGPYvVKzNC7n https://youtu.be/Hx2yBZmJaEo?si=ao2WH8-M6SKvHPhC https://youtu.be/7xorWAzF4qw?si=7Vz9s_QmqATHZzI1 https://youtu.be/FoXhwBlqA3k?si=j_qNCw1eUpfF6f6D https://youtu.be/FxfA2uFafU8?si=eu4E44VRrC8OP3nZ https://youtu.be/Rhj01Lbuw0I?si=F37uHCdf0f-bsV7D https://youtu.be/Rhj01Lbuw0I?si=F37uHCdf0f-bsV7D https://youtu.be/4Y0a-QmPUfo?si=-BV16dmf_FyyjVw3 https://youtu.be/Zjodarx5ma8?si=pypVILlKvqmt1CNg https://youtu.be/n1qZzHGNIkE?si=bpGZ3zOrmjBgG7fo https://youtu.be/7nAbN_gi87o?si=ntyGi0NFsCrv7v5F https://youtu.be/Sr84To6rcNY?si=dgQcuOELjL7FY5UZ https://youtu.be/xNHu9FoZh9c?si=Zzht3ghgpc-8Gj5z

Marissa K

I would recommend watching BTS hardships 2013-2021 by XCeleste to understand what hate they had to go through it doesn't cover everything but it's a well made Video. For a newly debuted group BTS recieved more hate than usual and are still one of the biggest uneccessarily hated groups remember more fame and fans doesn't mean less hate if anything its means the opposite. Right now while they are in the military they are recieving a lot of backlash, hate and accusations, which is coming from the media who have recently writing really bad articles to make BTS look bad, the Government has also basically turned their backs on BTS. I would encourage you to read up about this stuff because it puts in to perspective everything they had to go through and what made them the men we see today

Zahraa

I recommend this video to understand their hardships: https://youtu.be/EdY6wnLsetQ?si=6RQ2V67hzpIjCwqb It it tough to watch but as an army, it’s important to understand the mountains BTS and army have climbed. Love you videos!

Brooklyn Evans

Something that might interest you in reacting on YT is the Bombs and Episodes. On BangtanTV there is a playlist of them and it starts at debut. That channel doesn't have them all subbed but Bangtan Subs has them all (they also have playlists). It's something to check out for more backstory

Marissa K


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