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Was giving it time before I finally decided to make my post. So here's the scoop. I made a gasp face when I saw this page; even before actually READING it I was all like - O: - So needless to say, I actually am surprised this is happening even though some would say to me "You shouldn't be!" - I was hoping things wouldn't get this far but sadly it has, and here we are. Kique, you're an amazingly incredible storyteller, getting us all worked up like this. Firstly, I dislike BOTH of these dogs - Its not a secret, I've carried a lot of animosity for the both of them for a while now. I know these two are both hurting, and its obvious. I know betrayal and what it feels like, I suffer from PTSD, so I know that all too well too, however - You gotta move on at some point. Kargo apparently is feeling a lot of resentment for Rogio - 8th panel is VERY telling of a major conflict he's having with himself - He's having an inward battle with even himself - How he's only merely "Hurting" Rogio - but no actual killing blows thus far (I'm really not sure how I would feel about it if he DID go that far - In a way I'm hoping he doesn't, but in a way I hope he does????) Anyways - The look of AGONY is what I see on his face in that panel - As he's chomping on Rogio's snoot, he's hurting - He's WANTING to inflict pain on Rogio - A physical manifestation of his own pain/frustration, but at the same time, it appears (To me anyways) that he's also NOT enjoying doing it either. He looks very conflicted. Now I'm not excusing the behaviour cuz clearly its wrong either way you put it. But its great for storytelling purposes so I'm rolling with it. Unfortunately Kargo killing Rogio, would bring MORE to the table as far as storyline goes, than him not - eh. Anyways - Not sure how I feel about Rogio, he's done a LOT of screwed up crap; As in - (A lot of people have said it already: Capturing females to bring them to get raped, Sitting idly by while people get treated like garbo and doing nothing mostly because he was comfy with Ranach and the way HIS life was going - Only to get urked when HE himself was betrayed by Ranach, that's when he decided to do something constructive and do something right - not for himself but for others, but really I don't find that enough to redeem himself fully - he's gotta do more to prove he's not selfish and that he's truly trying to better himself. Anyways - I'm not excusing Kargo either, boy needs to get it together - This isn't the right way to go about this, but by the looks of it, its clearly him being a product of his environment. But you can certainly rise above it. But you've gotta really want to though. Wondering who Ferah is going to fetch? I'm hoping that its Ronja, as she's likely the only one that can make this stop and make an informed decision on what to do next. I don't really want Roamer getting invoived cuz he's clearly not going to make it better but worse and I'm sure we're all aware of that fact. Roamer is the cause of some of this - He's gone about a lot of things very wrong, so he's not without some blame.
Thalidan
2019-09-30 17:23:19 +0000 UTCSo my take on that whole thing, second time cause Patreon hates me haha: As I said already in discord, Kargo is completely mad because of his former suffering, losing Roamer, being jealous and yes, cause he also has a huge emotional trauma of being betrayed. Which he was more then once. He was betrayed by his own brother, he was betrayed by his close friend Rogio twice and he surely feels betrayed by Roamer, too. All this suffering, together with that he couldn't come to peace these short days he wasn't into hiding from the MT, made him mad. He is not evil, neither he is a monster, he is just a product of his environment. Rogio, in this moment, is everything he despise, he is truly the demon for him. If he just will attack Rogio, maybe even kill him, the pain will go away. Kargo know there is no coming back from this. But he said it himself, he don't care. The pain is too hard to deal with, he had to get it out or he will die anyway. So it doesn't matter anymore, for him his world is shattered and Roamer is just the peak of the iceberg, the trigger, so to speak. Kargo is tired from a life in hiding, fighting and hatress. And Rogio. I am really conflicted with this character and I despise his relationship with Roamer. But that being said, I do like to see him finally without his snuggeling shadow and damn, you clearly can see, he is just as fucked up as Kargo is. I can't help and feel so incredible sorry for him too. Like Kique said, Rogio KNOWS why he is here, he understand why Kargo is angry and he thinks he deserves it. It is clearly shown in both his actions (barely fighting back so far) and his words. Rogio knows some words can't make the past good, whatever Roamer said or not. The past is still there. He still brought back females to be rapped, he still killed for Ranach and did everything he wanted from him, he still let his friends down and betrayed them. And then he took Roamer. He knew that would happen the moment Kargo stepped back in, which I suppose was his whole mimic back then about. And he thinks he deserves it. He is just as tired as Kargo, not as brute as he is, but it's the same trauma, the same “being tired” I suppose. Both of them easily can be viewed as awful persons now and both of them know. Kargo is a fighting monster, he can't stop, he has to attack the pain cause no one ever showed him truly otherwise. He has to KILL the pain or it will kill him. So he evolved to that unstable dog no one can rely on and he makes things very hard for the only remaining person that loves him. Rogio in the meantime can't face his past, he just can't and that is why two of his tribe mates died, which he could have prevented by just showing himself. Roamer and Co surely think differently, but I am really sure that is exactly was Rogio is thinking about that whole thing: That it's HIS fault, why else was he so depressive and negative that evening? Rogio is hiding from the pain and let Roamer take care of it, he still just completely focuses on his lover, their evening sex etc (which I believe is what Kargo mentioned, too), even when Roamer is different from Ranach, is more or less the same behavior when it comes down to him himself. And Kargo still attacks everything that hurts him, cause otherwise he feels he has to die. Both of them changed, and then they don't. Kique might correct me if I am completely off but that's my take on the situation. Neither of them is a monster. Beside the lie (which was just as much “mental chains” as Rogio had them in other aspects, too, not wanting to face the tribe that nearly destroyed you) Kargo was extremely supportive towards Roamer and protected him, changed for him. He never was a toxic partner either, he just had no concept from family, unlike Rogio, and Roamer never showed him either. Rogio also can't do anything about what he is now. He is aware, as this page clearly showed, what he has become and he accept the punishment in form of Kargo cause it's the only one that ever gave him that. Everyone is all about “Ah you are not to blame Rogio, it's all Ranach” (which then could be said about Kargo/MT too), but he himself doesn't think that way (and surely Kargo don't think that way about himself, either). I think deep down he want some sort of...well redemption and Roamers words etc aren't enough. So he might think this is. Both are fucked. Both are doomed. And both know it. This is why I really hope they can find any solution, for both of them. Neither is a monster, but they aren't healthy either, once again- both of them. Kargo is the brute but honestly, Rogio is no better, just in another way. They went through so damn much. I want them to heal, all both boys, but we'll see about that. And sorry for the wall of text lol.
Kuni
2019-09-30 16:27:17 +0000 UTCO.o Patreon, I don't delete any comments X) Do you comment on mobile?
Kique Nordin
2019-09-30 15:46:32 +0000 UTCKique, did you delete my post or was it once again patreon? xx XD
Kuni
2019-09-30 14:46:05 +0000 UTCTo be fair i do not think rogio is doing much to get better either :/ but totally agree on kargo
ArtemistheArtist22
2019-09-30 13:56:42 +0000 UTCHe said in the page: he feels ("you deserve this" - "i know") he deserves it, thus doesn't fight back other than pushing kargo off and dodging
ArtemistheArtist22
2019-09-30 13:53:12 +0000 UTCIs there a reason Rogio hasn't used his teeth on Kargo (yet)? I've just realised he's been kicking and pushing him away but hasn't tried to hurt him (again, yet). Could be he just hasn't had an opening to do so but I wonder
Black Ice Gryphon
2019-09-30 13:43:10 +0000 UTCHoping Roamer will despise Kargo if he kills Rogio.
Emocje
2019-09-30 08:54:26 +0000 UTCI imagine he will be banished by ronja or roamer
SleepyFernweh
2019-09-30 06:57:40 +0000 UTCIn my opinion: Both are to blame. People are so fast to pick sides. Be it “poor poor Rogio” or Kargo. But like Kique once said, you have to look to it from the characters perspectives. Both of them did so horrible things, so yeah from our point of view, both most likely deserve to die. Rogio supported rape, he was tasked to bring females in and luring them to be raped, he did everything Ranach told him without a second thought and he ONLY went against him because Ranach betrayed HIM, not because he thought it's right. Kargo learned in the MT and after that that rage and killing will solve everything, that nothing else matters, that if you are angry, you have to kill the problem as otherwise, it will never heal. He never learned differently and became that unstable dangerous male he is today, especially since Roamer left him. Honestly, just because Kargo is more brutal, Rogio is no better, both of them are so horrible persons as they are now cause of huge trauma. Rogio is no sweet selfless angel, he still is repeating his mistakes, he let Roamer caring all his emotional stuff, he wouldn't help because he simply CANT. Kargo is a dangerous brute who cant deal otherwise, because he CANT. Kargo feels so betrayed that he rather is banished/killed for what he done than live one single day with that pain and Rogio knows that. Both know they deserve to suffer/die for what they have done, that is why they are here. Well...and because of Roamer. Roamer continue to make things worse and I really hope he'll finally grow up instead of always dive into his relationship and his partner = good and others = I dont care. If he would have explained stuff instead of just “well you are still a brute, despite you did change a lot for me, its well better now with the better male who betrayed you in the former rape tribe” they wouldnt be even there. (He didnt say that I know, but it came clearly off like that).
Thakiro
2019-09-30 05:23:34 +0000 UTCI'd say that like most, she'd be running to get Romaer but Ronja might also be a possibility...? Roamer could possibly make things worse in this case but I know that bringing in Ronja could be pretty effective for plenty of reasons. For one, she is now the Viscountess and I'm sure no one is as stupid (even in Kargo's state) to go against her. They are her lands and her words is the law so she could easily have him thrown out. So not the wisest idea to go against her. Not to mention that he'd likely want to remain to talk to Roamer. And finally, I doubt he'd go so low to attack her while she's pregnant so if anything, she'd be the best to get and since it is involving Rogio who is her Baron and this issue would eventually be brought up to her eventually too.
Skittles
2019-09-30 04:58:43 +0000 UTCIn panel 8 however if looks like Kargo is expressing real grief, he also isn't going for any kill bites which we know he can do in mere moments.
Comet
2019-09-29 22:11:29 +0000 UTCKargo's expression in the 8th panel is hitting me so hard :/ I really don't know what to think and how to feel. I just dont want anyone of them to be killed here. I hope Rogio's nightmares aren't going to be real soon...
Ann-Christin Batzer
2019-09-29 22:09:10 +0000 UTCRogio is really bothering me, he still makes this about himself. It never stops with him, "we where both hurt" and needed each other. No, you needed someone to fill Ranach's void and utilized a freshly upset Roamer on the rebound. Rogio is still /not/ taking responsibility for anything he has done or let happen at all. He still won't whisper what he has done or of his past reckonings, he sucks up the victim role completely and does it well and it is upsetting. Saying "I know" isn't cutting it and what's worse is while Kargo's reaction is insane from most perspectives Rogio hurt him with full knowledge of what he has done to Kargo past and present and still takes a back seat to any consequences. What I am hoping more than anything is that Rogio doesn't just gets his wounds licked and healed with a pat on the back from everyone /again/ while he acts like a justified victim continually in every situation. He has mastered tactics of feeling manipulation well even if he himself is not aware of it personally. He needs consequence in his life, people died under things he lead and let happen. Honestly, even if that is well, the worst case scenario happening to him right now at this point then...well. I also hope Kargo isn't lost to the madness of pain and rage and someone can pull out the Kargo that we used to know but it isn't looking good.
Comet
2019-09-29 22:04:26 +0000 UTCKargo don’t do this... and Ferah was in the right to get help, there’s so few dogs that can make Kargo stop in his wild frenzy. Ferah might but she knows him too well, she knows what he’s like, she’s known him since they were pups.
Spiritstrike
2019-09-29 21:51:57 +0000 UTCReminder that Rogio told Roamer about Ranach and that he blames himself for letting Ranach control him http://home-comic.smackjeeves.com/comics/2555771/page-341/
Kique Nordin
2019-09-29 21:49:12 +0000 UTCKargo has been through trauma within the MT and still managed to fight against them, while Rogio seemed fine to take comfort in Ranach’s manipulation and the power that came with it. Sure, Kargo is slipping further into the void bc of his grief over losing Roamer and killed the merchants out of fear ( though it was excessive ) but Rogio is sitting on his past with no guilt and is happy to soak up Roamers lack of knowledge of that. I think that Kargo is the lesser of two evils here.
harmony
2019-09-29 21:39:02 +0000 UTCAnother page already? <3 You are on a roll, Johan! I really hope Ferah will find some help in time...
lynxir
2019-09-29 21:31:24 +0000 UTCWhen kargo and ferah escaped ages ago, rogio stayed behind with Ranach despite knowing how Ranach was/is. He turned a blind eye to the suffering because he loved Ranach and saw a better side to him.
ACWN Designs
2019-09-29 20:54:09 +0000 UTCAnd thus she'd call Avanti c
ElenPanter
2019-09-29 20:27:59 +0000 UTCIf Ferah was smart, she could howl for help????p.o...
WolfieYote
2019-09-29 20:25:46 +0000 UTCCome on Ferah, you gotta tell! KIQUE DON'T KILL OFF ROGIO >:VI'll send a ghoul at you ahdiabdjee ;; poor Rogio
WolfieYote
2019-09-29 20:21:50 +0000 UTCI think Roamer would be the only other dog who could make Kargo stop. ...or make everything worse... Ferah trying to get inbetween them might've been the best option. She's the last Kargo would hurt. Then again if I was Ferah I'd go search for help as well x)
Yami
2019-09-29 20:21:20 +0000 UTCPoor Ferah
❁bimph❁
2019-09-29 20:15:34 +0000 UTCKaaaaaaarrrrrgggooo... that kills people... stop what you're doin.
❁bimph❁
2019-09-29 20:15:17 +0000 UTCAnd here I thought the merchants had been him hitting rock bottom... oh Kargo, how will your path continue now after ruining everything (especially for Ferah) again? He knew Rogio would be there. He knew Roamer would be there. I'm seriously asking myself now what was really behind his suggestion to go to MT with Ferah. Was this all part of some revenge plan or did he actually think he could live peacefully with Roamer and Rogio around. Or was his plan to try to get back together with Roamer somehow?
Yami
2019-09-29 20:11:22 +0000 UTCRoamer was so smart to get away from Kargo. He is so unhealthy and, unlike Rogio, is not taking steps to better himself.
SUN
2019-09-29 20:10:45 +0000 UTCI wonder what they’ll do about Kargo, throw him out or imprison him.. he is ruining Ferahs home again, will she still stay by him. He probably won’t change. I think he ”needs” to fight - not quite sure how I should explain it. Like I feel that’s all he knows how to do. I can’t really speak of Rogio, I have kinda forgotten what he has done, I just remember he is not innocent either 😅
Trixi
2019-09-29 20:10:37 +0000 UTCthese two is the best desription you can give lol. Both of them are...meh. Hopefully they'll grow before killing each other.
Kuni
2019-09-29 20:10:02 +0000 UTCDo it!
Kitty
2019-09-29 20:09:55 +0000 UTCKargo, you blame other for how they react, but don't care how you react... *sigh* Wonder who Ferah getting for help?
Tora Collita
2019-09-29 20:06:37 +0000 UTCI wish I could say I was sorry, but I'm growing to hate Kargo more and more. Harming anyone for any reason is just wrong. Unless it invloves children in my opinion, but it doesn't. Grief sucks buddy, but this ain't it chief. Not really going to support Rogio either, but these two...Yikes.
AmnesiaMoons
2019-09-29 20:06:06 +0000 UTCOh god :(
Skybird
2019-09-29 20:04:55 +0000 UTCOh no Kargo honey what is you doin
Kia
2019-09-29 20:04:20 +0000 UTC
