Your call....

The 30/32C temperature is normal. There's an offset to allow for the emissivity of the forehead.

Big Clive

Btw, I don't see why you wouldn't release such a video - aren't government agencies using FLIR tech to help identify potentially infected individuals already anyhow? It's certainly a staple in science-fiction for detecting aliens, killer androids etc.

Gordo

After seeing news coverage of the TSA "zapping" people's foreheads on a plane with what looked like a regular non-contact thermometer, I decided to try this on my partner & my foreheads with my Fluke non-contact thermometer.. Big fail - we both read 30-32 deg C (often less). Non-contact forehead thermometers are a thing, but they all seem to feature contact mode as well, making me wonder if it's possible to get an accurate non-contact reading. I see how scanning a bunch of people would highlight who is hotter, maybe the dedicated forehead thermometers are custom calibrated for the emissivity of human skin in a way that my Fluke isn't, but what about skin colour, moisture etc. Anyone have any thoughts????

Gordo

You definitely need to understand thermal emissivity of surfaces to get the best from a thermal camera. In electrical and electronic applications their main advantage is showing visual differences.

Big Clive

You should do a teardown of the much cheaper "laser thermometers" (actually infrared receivers but with a laser diode to help with aiming) as well as an explanation of how accurate (or not) they are compared to a properly calibrated FLIR. Maybe a head-to-head test?

George Dorn

There are many reason why one can show an elevated temperature without having any disease or pathology!

It is not just the unwashed masses, it is those without any medical education.

I do not think the video should be released at all. To those with medical training, it is only one level up from the electrolytic devices that BC shows that draw out toxins. The vast majority does not have the information to rationally evaluate such stuff. There can be an elevated temperature for many reasons, some of which do not indicate any infection risk. Alcohol will do it for a start! If this sort of thing does the rounds and in the hands of scum, could lead to somebody being assaulted. That many here are voting for Patreon only proves my point. Patreon supporters are not any intellectually gifted than others.

I go for release. If the comments get out of hand, you can always disable them. Some people need to grow up and/or get a life – including the YouTube censorship police.

I may do a completely non-virus themed version that just discusses the phone, but drops in the bit about spotting audience members with higher than normal temperatures.

Big Clive

Do you care about the comments? if not, then just release it. I personally think it's pretty benign and non controversial. People will get butthurt no matter what the content is. that's the nature of things.

Lucas Illingworth

I'd go public but no comments, but I'm only slightly no-comments.

Moz in Oz

I'm going to be the odd one out who says that it should be public with comments enabled. There are hundreds of thousands of trolls actively seeking that kind of content, but there may be a handful of people who can take action on the idea and turn that spark into a raging fire. The biggest shame is restricting information for the illusion of peace and compliance.

Patron only, in a year or two, maybe to the public then, but yeah ..

I think you should stay just between you and your Patron supporters serious I can't add anymore to what everybody else has already said so that's my pounds worth

Phil Kipnis AKA pkipnis

I like the video, i have the cat s60, never thought of checking for fever, but as far as posting it... I think you would get a lot of trolls, i vote post it with comments disabled.

Definitely Patreon only. Too many trolls at home with nothing better to do due to lockdown

I'm voting for keeping it Patreon-only for all the stated reasons above. The unwashed masses have proven again and again they cannot intelligently handle information requiring one's ability to think for themselves (i.e. not pre-digested and being handed a given conclusion). FYI: the tongue-in-cheek method of referring to the "bug" is "beer virus". Apologies to Corona beer, but thinking people instantly get the reference without triggering the content filters. Cheers from Phoenix, Arizona! Stay curious!

Mike Cowen

Patreon would be cool, I missed this video completely because of $life so I have no idea what's going on.

Mike Mason

Release it!! How is your call, either Patreon-only or publicly w no comments.

Paul Ste. Marie

Patreon-only is probably the way to avoid the most consternation on the part of others; at least here, there's context and community that gets it and can discuss with nuance. Useful though it may be to the rest of the world to observe that, I fear we lack the tools for it to not devolve quite quickly in the present climate.

Should it be released with comments disabled.

NephiAust

Best to keep it Patreon only. Those familiar with your work understand your motives, others might not and it could lead to a lot of grief.

Jim Norman

Release with comments disabled.

Mark Ingram

Why not try and release it with comments enabled? Without the v-word and the c-word, the hysteric people won't find it. You can still set it to unlisted if it fails.

just_noXi

I vote Patreon. Trolls and drive-bys are going to ruin the experience for the truly curious.

I agree on the approach to general security. But I am very dubious about this kind of thermal measurement. I have a couple of flir units myself and while they are a good diagnostic device, they don't really measure temperature well. There is a number of reasons for this - but it goes to all remote temperature testing. Investigate what masks and dilutes these measurements. Take a critical approach to (especially) the cheap IR measures, being used everywhere - and they use to say anything worthwhile about human health. That would be nice. ;)

Peter Eduard

Honestly... no. I like the video (I like all your videos) but two opinions: 1 - IR cameras have been in use in airports testing temperatures for ages, here's a 2014 article about it: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2014/09/18/347996684/some-airports-have-a-new-security-routine-taking-your-temperature, so it's not a new application. 2 - The only thing you can do with a flir camera that you can't easily just do with an IR thermometer, is record multiple people, and do it less obviously. And then, in this context, you're talking about collecting medical information, and interpreting it. I totally wouldn't go there. If you made a very similar video where you showed what the IR images looked like and explained that this is the view airports see of you, that would be interesting, and... I think, hopefully with that angle, would attract less unwanted comments? I'm trying to get at the difference between "here's how to make a bomb" and "here's how bombs are made".

PeteyPak

I would just leave it be at this point, and not release it publicly.

While I agree that the subject should be discussed and the technology explored, I wouldn't release it at present.

Steve Askey

I'm sure that you're thick skinned enough to withstand any bad comments, however the technical side of your video would be lost on some, as well as being lost on their multitude of admiring cronies. I'd think of the worst scenario and then multiply that by a large factor. Hence 'Patreon Only Video' in my opinion.

Andrew Donaldson

Its a good idea. But without advice for proper implementation it feels a little half baked. It is earnest on your part Clive, in trying to inform people of a useful tool. Im just not sure the video you have, or any video for that matter would lend itself to being constructive. There is just too much panic and hubbub going on right now, and I feel your attempt to help will be misunderstood.

I'd say release it with comments enabled (at least initially.) Then hurry up and buy some CAT stock!

Patreon only, comments enabled

The world is changing and I hope we are going to reality. Not social correct but reality. Be kind to your neighbors.

I wouldn't release this video at all. Since it's already been out there once it sends an unfortunate message. If you feel it is important enough I would record a new video, talking about how valuable a tool like this would be in our current situation, release it unmonitized, as a public service, make sure you mention that the video is unmonitized in the description and very early in the video. Say how the pub video was taken of friends, with their knowledge, and long before the virus problem.

James Sutherland

Yeah this seems like a good approach. Showing thermal cameras and what they can do is great, but take out all context of viral screening or whatever, or make it clear that it's only good for identifying outliers rather than being a magic "this will find sick people" device (which this won't do reliably and certainly won't find people who are asymptomatically shedding virus, which is the really important thing to stop).

fluffy

Or maybe release it as a Patreon Only video, for supporters who understand the situation and appreciate your research.

Dave Pursley

A hard question. Ask and engineer and they will support the use to thermal imaging cameras as a screening tool. Ask a medical professional and they might tell you all they ways that head temperature can be misleading. Ask someone concerned with extensive government use of imaging in general and you will hear a clean "no way" since this is a form of search with no probable cause for that individual. This is a topic that is best debated once the elevated sensitivity we are in now has passed.

Ross Clark

YouTube comments often lean towards vile. Even if many are good-natured fans with good conversation, there will be plenty of vile comments and sometimes they overrun the comment section. There is a reason that the prevailing "common sense" is to ignore the YouTube comment section.

Give it a go "with comments" and know that the majority of people won't properly read or hear what you write or say. They'll see a device used to determine if someone is okay or not, and might see it as a threat or as a means to discriminate. Most of your Patreons will understand, since they see the 'experiment' of it, but don't underestimate the power of the majority. Let's hang on to our beards!

I'd say Patreon only

I think it is definitely worthy in the ways you have mentioned. The state of the world and corporate letting the trolls rule the day is hard to fight, though. I think you should definitely keep it available to patrons, at least. Maybe comments disabled? The comments from patrons from before it goes public can help guide some worthwhile thought by future viewers.

Jason Brinkerhoff

If you are going to release it, you gotta release it with comments. Discussion is important.. I’m 50/50 personally. I know you don’t intend to Irritate anyone... but that might end up being what happens...

Michael Gilchrest

If it was me, I’d re-make the video in the context of “places like airports are using thermal cameras - here’s why they’re doing that, and here’s how a thermal camera works”.

David Glover-Aoki

Patreon only in my opinion but its a shame it has to be like that

John Catterall

Could always release to secondary channel, with or without comments.

Pittsburgh Flip

Id say put it out there with comments, kowtowing to trolls is what they want.

Myrk

I’d love to think that people would look at it, realise it’s a good idea although not foolproof (as you say) and embrace it. But, sadly, they won’t - the trolls will come out and all it’ll do is cause you grief. So I’d say leave it as Patreon Only 🙁

Under normal circumstances I would say release it with comments enabled. However we are not in normal times and probably will not be for some time. I would say keep it back to release in the future when everyone is able to have a more rational debate about the issues relating to the Coronavirus.

John Russell

Patrons only, just not worth the hassle.......Life is to short, blow something up everyone loves those videos :-)

Private Private

I would keep it patrons only. I don't know what happened with the last upload (I literally didn't get to see it), but its worth noting that its not "trolling" to point out that elevated temperature -- even if accurate -- doesn't guarantee anything. It could mean they're embarrassed, it could mean they're intoxicated. It could mean that they're warm naturally, or are overheating for any number of environmental factors. It could very well mean they're sick, but not with anything you'd worry about. In other words, in absolutely no way should this ever be used to "diagnose" anything, least of all a pandemic that already has people on edge and looking for any sense of control (however illusory that may be). Legally I don't think you have any problems, especially with as clear as you typically are about your investigations being a pet project / act of curiosity. The unfortunate side is that there are people in this world who will take even the slightest provocation to resort to violence or animosity (e.g. "Chinese virus", etc.). Given the reservations on effectiveness and the likelihood that others will (unfairly, unjustifiably) see it as cause to stir up trouble, I think its more grief than its worth.

Gregor Kildow

Patreon only in my opinion

Comments disabled would be my vote. I think that you present it well. And explain positive and negative. Which those jumping on the proverbial bandwagon never acknowledge

Cerity

Thermal imaging would only pick up if you have a fever. It wouldn't diagnose why anyone is running hot. Even someone that just walked into a pub after running three blocks to get in before Happy Hour ends would appear hot on a thermal camera; at least until they cool down with a pint

I enjoyed the video and I believe I understood the point. The world is however full of idiots, indeed we are all part of that group at various times. I guess the real question is can your brand cope with the negative consequences of posting it publicly

Adam Pepper

Keep it for Patrons only. The general public doesnt understand nor have a need to see this. Honestly, if you keep getting demonetized, I say keep the 'naughty' videos on here, but linked from LBRY or something, and let the masses eat their bread and circuses on the YouTubes

Witold Witkowski

Keep it for those who support you. That'll overall reduce the risk of the YouTube police pulling your entire channel down due to the current happenings.

NightshadeLenar

It's relevant to current events, and I agree that it should be discussed. If it gets bad again, then take it back down. But it still gives the general public the option to see a different way to mass diagnose a current problem. There may be people out there that have a thermal camera that they can use to quick check ill co-workers, or even kids at home

If you release it, sooner or later the idiots will find it and ruin it. So if you want to release it, it should be with comments disabled. If I were you, I'd leave it unreleased. Nice video btw.

I'd go with patrons only and schedule it for public well after all this blows over. I think comments disabled is an admission of accepting the trolls and they'll just plague your other videos, best keeping them away from our community in the first place by not attracting them.

Simon Howroyd

Just release it with comments turned on, they might be good fodder for a video further down the timeline. Don't worry about demonetising from the YT API's but if the Video contravenes YT Policy, think they have some new one on Covid-19 then might be risky and they might suspend your channel. Just something to think about

Robert

I would go with not releasing right now.

It is a good video, but a bad time. Release it in a few months. I've seen footage of Chinese Cams doing face recognition and temp measurements in one go. Scary stuff.

Think you'd best not to release it given the current climate and keep it just on here, at least folks here know you and what you're about. If it goes public it will probably get a lot of dislikes for the channel

Tazz1669

Keep it as pateron only. Trolls will find it again, and if you release it with comments disabled they will go for all your other videos instead.

Patron subscribers only, IMHO.

I think that if you release it with comments enabled it will quickly get locked. But the idea isn't a bad one. You might consider re-doing it but just highlight the FLIR capability without pointing out the implication for use. Maybe mention at the end that it is faster than using an IR temperature reader while showing a short clip of a foreign country reading someone's forehead while in hazmat gear. But nothing more explicit than that.

Mike Bird

Personally, I'd say keep it away from the main content, as even with comments disabled, the same Muppets are going to jump on the video somehow or other.

I vote for releasing it with the comments turned off.

Michael Dunn

Ditto to Gavin's comment. I like the video, But keep this one private. Don't give a reason to the "haters" to jump on you. Keep up the good work!

Michael Paige

Last Thursday I suddenly felt quite hot, I had a colleague flir me, 36.6 degrees skin temp, I was sent home. My temp dropped and has been normal since. Turns out I had a minor allergic reaction. Thank god! Yes it could be a decent indicator, but it’s not always a 100% sign that you have it Also, I bought one of the iPhone flir one’s great flir camera

Ivan Hartley

Probably a good idea.

AESFTW

Release with comments enabled. Give it a day to gauge how the discussion is going. If it looks like it could lead to the video getting flagged or demonitized then turn comments off.

AESFTW

My first reaction was to say release it. But looking at the amount of fake news around the virus at the moment, I'd hate it to become "truth" that a mobile can diagnose it. Especially with the way the deaths here in England are accelerating.

I would say release with comments disabled.

Dont release it. You provide such excellent content but I dont think this is your field. You have the copy and could release it in a few months. But fuck if I know what's right.

Hans Thompson

Tough call because rationality is in limited supply at the moment. I’d be inclined to release with comments disabled and a caveat put clearly in the description. Look, you’re buggered whatever you do and you cannot be held responsible for dingbats who avoid using their brains and rely upon their social media buddies rather than science to make decisions.

Release with comments enabled and disable if necessary.

Release it will full comments and all the gubbins. Let them troll, it’s amusing to watch. The only consideration is if you’re happy to have that many “dislikes” on the video.

i dont think it should be publicly released. Its best to stay off the COVID19 band wagon entirely. Stick with your usual stuff publicly, and release everything else here.

GL_1_Code1_1A

I’d say release it with comments disabled, to prevent people trying to start stuff