COPPA complications.
Added 2019-11-13 01:34:37 +0000 UTCYouTube has just implemented their response to COPPA by making all channels choose between whether their content is aimed at kids or not. Obviously I've selected that I'm not a kids channel. But when I had to choose yes or no it was making me think about the fact that normally if I choose to age-restrict a video then it automatically gets adverts disabled and the video is demonetised. This is despite the fact that almost all adverts shown at the beginning of my videos are aimed at adults.
It's a tricky choice whether a video should be age restricted or not, since I know that many of us started tinkering with electrical and mechanical stuff at a very young age. Literally the age of 3 for me apparently.
On one hand I don't want to risk kids getting harmed by doing technical stuff, but on the other hand I don't want to rob them of knowledge when they are most receptive to it.
Back in the bad old days it wasn't uncommon for kids to work with their dads during the school holidays on jobs that would make the officious safety types scream hysterically. Literally 11 year olds in overalls helping fix cars, operate farm equipment and repair elevators. Those kids usually LOVED working with their dads and because they were young and still learning they absorbed the technical information quickly and the technology became natural to them resulting in a good career.
Hopefully the increasing red tape being invented for YouTube by random organisations is not going to result in the technical and scientific channels being made unviable.
When stuff like this is happening it makes me appreciate you guys even more, because you are a safety net for the channel that will make it easier to transfer to a different platform if things get too political.
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Honestly if a child's parents are good and aware, they will have the presence of mind to watch with their children, especially as your content is best watched on a sofa as a family. The demonetisation part though is rediculous and will spell disaster for YouTube as a content platform. Rest assured though that me and a great number of your subscriber base would happily follow you to other platforms if necessary.
2019-11-27 22:41:22 +0000 UTCMost of what you do isn't any worse that the 1001 electronic kits you used to be able to get (I was 9, or so, when I got mine as a Christmas present). Of course, there are those moments... Electrocuting tea warmer, anyone?
PickettsChargingPort
2019-11-21 12:32:02 +0000 UTCYouTube is not 100% clear about that, but the coppa setting is suppose to say “I’m making video for kids” not the age rating of your channel, making video for kids just mean it is “kid oriented” the reverse is not that they can’t watch them...
Manoel
2019-11-20 08:19:35 +0000 UTCWhen you upload a video it should pop up the option box if it's not already been set.
Big Clive
2019-11-16 14:19:37 +0000 UTCI've just gone through mine. What a bloody b#ll ache. Couldn't do it on the regular app, had to download the studio one. And then after far to long trying to find it, found it under advanced settings. Are they trying to kill YouTube ?
Neil Tonks
2019-11-16 13:22:38 +0000 UTC'tis called the "School of Hard Knocks". Served us all very well until the World went nuts.
mikenco
2019-11-15 01:19:33 +0000 UTCOh boy... Sometimes I wonder how I managed to grow up without someone continiously saying "don't do this or that's not for kids". I got my first soldering iron in the age of 6 from my father with the words "have fun". I' m still alive. And if someone did say that this is no for kids, it just got more interesting. Shure, sometimes I needed to see an M.D. patching me up. But sometimes learning by do...- cutting into your hand is a way more better teacher than any restriction.
2019-11-14 21:43:20 +0000 UTCI've had to set the whole channel as not suitable for kids. But the technical kids will find a way around any block.
Big Clive
2019-11-14 07:41:38 +0000 UTCI'm late to this but i first found your channel when i was around 13-14, definitely a bit early but I'd say it served me well. I'm turning 16 soon and at school I've still not learnt anything even remotely close to what your videos taught me years ago. However, I do agree with the adult rating, not because kids can't learn from it, but purely because of the ad's, and the fact that all it takes is faking a date of birth to be considered an adult on youtube. so far youtube has only had positive effects on me since i first starting watching videos on it back in 2011, using an account with a fake date of birth. (back then i barely knew how to use the app but as i said, I've only gained positive effects from it even though i had acces to adult videos. Just because i could access them didn't mean i always watched them.) And on a different note, you've had a great influence on me and my life by getting me to do soldering as a hobby and i hope your channel carries on going, until it hit 18, then 20 and hopefully even more after that, so that i can carry on watching and learning from your videos. Who knows, maybe I'll even end up using some of your knowledge when i eventually get a job. But anyway, thank you for keeping up the great work for so many years, and hopefully the many more to come
Jonathan Brown
2019-11-14 04:09:14 +0000 UTCI believe the value of your videos to kids who want to learn, exactly the way I did watching my dad and grandfather blow up stuff half a century ago far outweighs any need for you to keep the ability to swear once in a while. I hope you go with content suitable for kids. You have so much to offer them in these videos.
2019-11-14 01:19:44 +0000 UTCI will always try to be there for the channel in my small ways. You are appreciated and yes, loved, and will be followed and supported.
Michael Thompson
2019-11-13 23:37:03 +0000 UTCI grew up and chose a technical path long before YouTube. I can't image how influential the flood of information (good and bad) is on developing minds. I was mentored by an older brother-in-law and found a well-paying career that I would do as a hobby. How lucky is that? My point is that I believe kids will find a way to technology. Hopefully, people who watch your channel will bring in the next generation.
Robert Sanges
2019-11-13 22:39:07 +0000 UTCI don't remember you being extra sweary, maybe a Jackass style intro where you claim the destruction of said electrical item has been performed by professionals. Big Clive dot com does not recommend electrocuting yourself, its very bad.
Christopher Smith
2019-11-13 19:46:26 +0000 UTCI've been doing this stuff ever since I can recall, under 5, so it's good content for kids and adults.
2019-11-13 16:03:40 +0000 UTCMy parents used to buy me broken electrical equipment as a kid from car boots. I loved taking them apart fixing them and the putting them on our own car boot after I loved it and it's where I first started looking into this sort of thing. I believe I was around 10. Did I hurt myself from time to time yes did it kill me no I learnt how to be safe around electricity and so was fine. My now 8 year old daughter watches bugclive with me as well as some other technical channels and she wouldn't dream of undertaking anything without my permission or overview but she is developing an understanding allowing her to have a head start in life. My 11 year old however she is into music and such. They both have been taught about YouTube and the Internet and have on occasions came to me regarding content they feel to be inappropriate and stopped watching said channels. I believe if taught and properly supervised children will learn rite from wrong themselves and be able to have their own independence and learn life skills.
2019-11-13 16:02:39 +0000 UTCClive you state " Literally the age of 3 for me apparently.", which explains a lot, but makes me wonder about Ralfy ..... Sniffing corks and playing "Operation".
Ian James
2019-11-13 15:03:07 +0000 UTCI too, think it's sad the way modern society feels justified in coddling our youth to a debilitating degree. For many trades I think 14 is a great age to start. Not only do young people learn the trade basics faster than an adult, but they learn a work ethic by example, which is priceless in today's world.
Peter Argyropoulos
2019-11-13 12:24:09 +0000 UTCKids nowa days never put the right age down. So the kids looking for this content will find it I think. It's the ones that might stumble across it and stay interested. Maybe the 2 channel thing is the way to go. Regular Clive then age appropriate Clive. I dont want to see ya loose money either. This protection thing the world is doing isnt working, kids have info to stuff that I didnt have or want to see til I was 30 they see it at like 12 they just learn at a young age to change there birthday.
2019-11-13 12:16:37 +0000 UTC"I know that many of us started tinkering with electrical and mechanical stuff at a very young age. Literally the age of 3 for me apparently." Huh! I had the same introduction, though I think I was only two. Guess I was too young (or were scissors inappropriate for exploring electrical outlets?) because I avoided anything electrical until the TRS 80 hit the market. It's been a lame attempt at catch-up ever since.
2019-11-13 11:47:13 +0000 UTCLate 70s for you, mid 60s for me, PLUS I used to be my pop's tool handler when he was fixing the car.
Rocco Rizzo
2019-11-13 10:55:25 +0000 UTCToo many parents nowadays chose to delegate their parenting duties to third parties. YouTube has to be PG, TV has to be PG, movies have to be PG, etc. All because parents decide to park their kids somewhere instead of being there and you know parent.
2019-11-13 10:53:37 +0000 UTCThey also have no problem bypassing any restrictions placed by adults.
Big Clive
2019-11-13 10:43:50 +0000 UTCIm hoping that the parents of said kids will bring them in to watch is together. Then, just like my parents did when I watched adult sci fi movies, they would explain things when I didn't understand.
Ðementation
2019-11-13 09:53:00 +0000 UTCI know that I was in the back of live-chassis TV's back in the late 70's when I was under 10. My father was a TV engineer for St Cuthberts back int he day and we would regularly repair customers TV on the livingroom table as that was how it was done in those days. No taking back to the office unless it couldn't be fixed at home. Swapping valves and soldering was done all the time. Youtube censorship (World censorship) is getting too much. Protecting people from issues just make things worse when the issue arises later on in the real world.
Pixscotland
2019-11-13 08:51:57 +0000 UTCI have a 7 year old who loves your videos. I'm an 'older' dad and grew up in the era you spoke of in the 1960's where boys helped their dads with what would these days be classed as 'hazardous' jobs in the school holidays. I'm continuing the same tradition (within limits). BTW one of the first Bigclive vids he watched was one where you had sticking plasters on your fingers. He refers to you as "Mr Bandaid".
Dave Davies
2019-11-13 08:45:07 +0000 UTCI think kids nowadays have zero problems with lying about their age in online registration forms.
Willem Hengeveld
2019-11-13 07:44:15 +0000 UTCMight be worth looking at https://youtubersunion.org/content/spark
Robert
2019-11-13 07:06:51 +0000 UTCTime to join Nebula?
Dave Treadwell
2019-11-13 06:58:25 +0000 UTCUnfortunately, it's already killed channels, Cody's Lab for example. You can't make videos of High School or College textbooks stuff these days because basic science is "scary".
2019-11-13 05:03:32 +0000 UTCKids are smart enough to lie to websites and tell them that they are over 13
kalleboo
2019-11-13 04:40:16 +0000 UTCI've done this with BigCliveLive. But it's still connected to a single account.
Big Clive
2019-11-13 04:26:17 +0000 UTCBe ready to duplicate your content on Bitchute. With the politics going on at Google / YouTube, in a blink of an eye they demonetize or shut down channels. I recently watched this video from Black Pigeon Speaks on YouTube . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKb01XLPR7E It is relevant to YouTube, as this is a large online community (even a mini civilization), which since 2006 we have witnessed grow into something great, and then slowly systematically collapse and implode as Google forces inane 'politics' , 'rules' , 'community guidelines' and 'opinion police' , and demonetizing or closing "offending" channels accordingly. YouTube has evolved into a platform favoring large corporate / commercial accounts and advertisers, essentially trying to become online television, and abandoning the YOU of YouTube, individual creative content. It is sad even educational, fun channels like Clive's are even on the line now.
Chris Blair
2019-11-13 04:17:57 +0000 UTCI know it’s an added complication and far from ideal but what about the idea of you starting a second channel? On one channel you could put unarguably safe teardowns etc and on the other channel you could put material in danger of demonetisation? I fully appreciate that having to operate two channels would be a pain in the arse but it’s an idea.
2019-11-13 04:11:58 +0000 UTCYou should look into Floatplane
2019-11-13 04:01:51 +0000 UTCThe year I went was the last year they did family day due to security concerns.
Charles Bruckner
2019-11-13 03:45:19 +0000 UTCGrowing up in the 70's my fathers work had a family day. What was so special about it was it was a Nuclear plant. Savanna River Site. I was more interested in the hot box robotics and the testing equipment to make sure you didn't have any contamination before entering or leaving a radio active zone. I will never forget the one and only fatality they had in the hot box area. It was a crow. When they get a cask of rods from a breeder reactor and need to do the separation work they un bolt a section of the roof of the hotbox and a crane lowers in the cask from the reactor area. While this was going on a crow unfortunately flew into the hotbox room from the open roof unbeknownst to the operators. They closed up the roof and as soon as the cask was opened the crow died from the extreme radiation. This was over 70 years ago. The crows corpse is still in the hot box to this day as far as I know. It is mummified and perfectly preserved as no bacteria can survive in that area. My father worked there for 50 years and I worked there for 8.
Charles Bruckner
2019-11-13 03:39:07 +0000 UTCIt's Google. They don't want to limit ads, they want to do exactly as little as possible to avoid getting sued again, or paying more in fines than they rake in from ad revenue.
George Dorn
2019-11-13 03:18:11 +0000 UTCI'm also not really sure how this is political, aside from the idiocy in the naming of the Act (it's a US tradition). What we really need in this country is a version of GDPR, because the right to privacy doesn't just vanish the moment you turn 13.
George Dorn
2019-11-13 03:01:01 +0000 UTCThis is a COPPA thing, which is a different issue than 'for mature adults'. The reporting on this has been crap, but Youtube lost a lawsuit with the FTC over violating the act. Basically, websites are not supposed to collect personal data about children under 13 years of age. But since Google collects all of the data on everybody all the time, they're constantly violating it. Apparently Youtube has decided the easiest way to avoid getting in trouble again is to disable tracking for users watching 'kid videos'. You're not producing content specifically oriented at kids, so it's not a concern for you. Saying "not aimed at kids" is fortunately not the same as "adult content" which you could get demonitized for.
George Dorn
2019-11-13 02:55:59 +0000 UTCWell, if they are doing it right they should limit adds to kids, but they ain’t gonna get it right....
Michael Gilchrest
2019-11-13 02:23:22 +0000 UTCI have a three-year-old son, and I fully intend to give him dangerous things to work with and play with as soon as I feel he is responsible to do so. I am a scientist by training, my wife is also a scientist. My graduate advisor told me my doctorate is just a license to learn. We both live by that motto. I love videos like yours Clive because I get to learn things that are completely outside of my expertise. And I fully intend to teach my son to learn to love learning. He's a three-year-old who can recite every planet in the solar system including the dwarf planets the major moons of the Jovian system and now we are learning the different strata of the atmosphere. Clive, you have inspired me to do electronics projects even though I've never done stuff like that before. And I fully intend to use the skills that I learned to teach my son as well. He will be watching your videos in a couple of years anyway, because he's already seen me watching them and has shown interest. However, I believe I am in the minority. I do not expect regulations by government or corporations to protect my kids or raise them. That is my job and responsibilities as a parent. Never change Clive. Thanks for what you do.
Witold Witkowski
2019-11-13 02:16:15 +0000 UTCI hope it doesnt cause any issues for you or the channel, Clive.
Honorary Octopus
2019-11-13 02:15:07 +0000 UTCI think the only issue is language. Here in the U.S. some of the things you say are not kid friendly. Different countries have different standards but YT is probably going to go by the U.S. standard.
Mark Trombley
2019-11-13 02:05:18 +0000 UTCMe, too. Helped my Dad with technical drawings and calculated concrete volumes of streets and bridges for the city he worked for. I knew trig before school insisted I study it. Clive's channel is a natural for kids.
2019-11-13 01:56:04 +0000 UTCMy opinion is Bigclive is suitable for kids as long as there are no sexual or unsafe things (like suicide or violence) said. And Clive rarely does that.
Nuts 'n' Proud
2019-11-13 01:49:00 +0000 UTCI was installing plumbing and heating, actually soldering in the copper piping and baseboard, with my father when I was 13 and 14. Of course I had done it at a younger age in our own house, but we were putting food on the table with our weekend plumbing work. At the time people thought it was great that a kid would come help out his dad.
Jason Brinkerhoff
2019-11-13 01:43:14 +0000 UTCI am with you on that, I loved going to work with Dad during the school holidays, learning about machines and everything electrical. The world has gone tits up unfortunately with no end in sight, damn auto correct..
2019-11-13 01:41:51 +0000 UTCYou better make your channel for kids.
Philip Childs
2019-11-13 01:40:33 +0000 UTCIf only you could mark your channel 12a I think that's the perfect fit
CheesyChickenGran
2019-11-13 01:36:50 +0000 UTC