Long night investigating "stuff".
Added 2020-08-19 07:24:25 +0000 UTCSo far I've found out that many of the antibacterial fogging solutions are based on benzalkonium chloride as I suspected, but some are based on natural plant extracts like thymol. (Isopropyl Methylphenol)
Both are used in tiny sub 1% ratios in what is basically standard fog fluid based on water, propylene glycol, triethylene glycol and glycerol. With a touch of aroma and colour for marketing purposes and to mask the smell of the potent ingredients.
I suppose the creation of a fog does help spread it into every crevice of a vehicle or room.
I fogged out my bedroom earlier and it used about 45ml in three minutes for a fog that hung around for hours! (And set off a smoke detector in the hall.)
I also found a high profile disinfectant fogging solution that linked my last two videos. It had "silver ions" in it for extra effect.
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https://www.cloroxpro.com/products/clorox/total-360/ this is used at work for decon
Marmite
2020-08-23 22:43:52 +0000 UTCI really want to research it but I fear I might get a knock on the door if I Google "hospital" and "bomb" at the same time!
Simon Howroyd
2020-08-20 13:48:16 +0000 UTCProposition 65 Warning: This product and the state of California is known to cause cancer, brain damage and reproductive harm to every simple minded, cannabis infused, new age socialist leaning, hippy wanna'be on this Gods good earth.
Mustafa's Fleas
2020-08-20 01:37:20 +0000 UTCI just looked up DDT and got the impression it may have been a victim of campaigners.
Big Clive
2020-08-20 00:57:50 +0000 UTC... sarcasm? Or active ingredient βπ
Cerity
2020-08-19 23:54:28 +0000 UTCLMAO... Mail Slot Spray = Preemptive Strike!
2020-08-19 23:35:56 +0000 UTCAnybody remember DDT?
Scott Miller
2020-08-19 22:16:42 +0000 UTCIf it's not love then it's the bomb, the bomb, the bomb the bomb the bomb the bomb the bomb that will bring us together.
Michael Thompson
2020-08-19 21:25:17 +0000 UTCI was chatting to someone at the hospital the other week (I've just been in for neurosurgery) and they still use foggers there East Mids area. In fact they use it at the end of the day in each of the operating theaters and the fogger is nicknamed "the bomb."
Simon Howroyd
2020-08-19 18:48:41 +0000 UTCWe use this in the aircraft industry. We disperse it through a portable electrostatic sprayer and it can last for up to a month on each spray although we routinely respray every 14 days. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AETFDnG-e5s
AESFTW
2020-08-19 16:25:53 +0000 UTCI remember when they took Thimerisol out of contact lense disinfectant solutions in the early '80s, the organomercury based compound led to far more reactions than it's worth for the eye. I first used it when I started my ride operator job at a local amusement park. On the slowest of slow days a woman brought her son to the airplane ride where I was stationed, she looked at me, turned around and quickly moved on. Next break I washed hands in front of a mirror and found my eyes were bright red. Nothing like mercury in the eye to start your day.
Jim
2020-08-19 16:24:14 +0000 UTCThey also do rechargeable gun versions, but I think they would be more of a close range wet spray as opposed to a permeating fog.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:37:42 +0000 UTCIn the distant past they used just plain glycols to avoid cross infection in maternity wards. That would be the equivalent of a modern disco haze machine. The thymol or benzalkonium is in very low quantities, but would still not be something I'd want to breathe on an ongoing basis.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:35:21 +0000 UTCThere's only one way to find out and that's to enter a castle full of vampires with a portable silver misting unit. It might be worth spraying some through the letter box in advance.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:29:10 +0000 UTCFor dungeon moodiness you could just use an ordinary fog fluid.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:27:33 +0000 UTCUh-oh. Quack science alert. Here's what the FDA says about it:- "Chlorine dioxide products have not been shown to be safe and effective for any use, including COVID-19, but these products continue to be sold as a remedy for treating autism, cancer, HIV/AIDS, hepatitis and flu, among other conditions, despite their harmful effects."
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:26:45 +0000 UTCIt's commonly found in things like kitchen and bathroom surface cleaners. benzalkonium chloride (BAC) has been around for a long time.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:25:30 +0000 UTCDoes the mesh nebuliser use a small piezo disk?
Big Clive
2020-08-19 15:24:40 +0000 UTCIf there is a fog that is anti viral but completely harmless to humans this would be ideal to just keep fogging supermarkets, schools and pubs etc. However as with anything you have to watch out that we don't have a flurry of people getting cancer or something in the future due to exposure to it.
Mike Hanley
2020-08-19 14:14:31 +0000 UTCOr stickiness
Jeremy Impson
2020-08-19 13:25:52 +0000 UTCI have a propane powered mosquito fogger. I could sterilize the whole neighborhood.
Paul Malloy
2020-08-19 13:25:05 +0000 UTCHahaha, true, true... But in the movie it made that big dumb vamp belch fire, I'm new here: but didn't Clive make some sort of pound land baby doll shoot flames from her sigmoid colon? Imagine that on a much grander scale, it would be hard to pass up... just saying
2020-08-19 12:24:09 +0000 UTCStephen Dunning I would be leery of trusting my safety to a mist of coloidal silver. It's silver bullets or suicide for me.
2020-08-19 12:14:18 +0000 UTCI have a propane powered mosquito fogger I can loan you, it's not a "roof" fogger, but it's portable and produces great clouds of fog...
2020-08-19 09:28:07 +0000 UTCinteresting stuff off the NHS site.....the only thing l would like to know is does the fog settling on surfaces such as books and clothes cause problems with damp and mould https://www.evidence.nhs.uk/search?ps=50&q=benzalkonium+chloride
John Catterall
2020-08-19 09:25:44 +0000 UTCNot if you're a virus...
2020-08-19 09:22:24 +0000 UTCI imagine that the colloidal silver fog would also be effective against vampires as well as bacteria/virus (see the movie: Blade III, for conformation)
2020-08-19 09:15:40 +0000 UTCTechnically speaking, cyanide is a plant extract.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 08:49:37 +0000 UTCMoist hot air.
Big Clive
2020-08-19 08:47:26 +0000 UTChttps://www.wish.com/product/5ed06ee3888a5019ac312c7c?from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=GB&_force_currency_code=GBP&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5ed06ee3888a5019ac312c7c&ad_cc=GB&ad_curr=GBP&ad_price=20.00&campaign_id=6493229882&gclid=CjwKCAjwm_P5BRAhEiwAwRzSO4mQbPDEPUUC4sD-mzLjdBdBQt8RZnU_0wCnJqzlHz-r310bF1X2xxoC5BwQAvD_BwE&hide_login_modal=true&share=web
2020-08-19 08:46:31 +0000 UTCHmm. We use thymol in beekeeping for 2 purposes: you drip a solution onto the bees or sublimate crystals by heating, this is effective against the varroa mite; and also, you put a little thymol in sugar syrup that you feed to bees to boost their winter stores, and it stops it going mouldy and interesting colours in the feeder.
Ian Cooper
2020-08-19 08:36:39 +0000 UTCSeems kinky. I like it.
2020-08-19 08:07:20 +0000 UTCThe packaging of the liquid suggests plant extracts but one never really knows.
2020-08-19 07:59:56 +0000 UTCInteresting stuff
2020-08-19 07:56:00 +0000 UTCBBC London news last night reported on a club, The Piano Works, that had a spray booth, outside at the entrance, spraying Chlorine Dioxide all over you for 5 seconds...so no need to wear masks.....hmmmm
Dannybuoy
2020-08-19 07:54:40 +0000 UTCYa quake science and jurm war fear combined π€
YouKnowHowYouAre
2020-08-19 07:48:47 +0000 UTCIt makes me wonder where all the fluid in the fog actually ends up. Condensing on all the surfaces in the space, I suppose? Now I'm wondering if disinfectants like benzalkonium chloride decompose into other compounds, what those compounds are, and how long it takes. I suppose it ends up being such a tiny volume when it's evenly distributed across all the surfaces in a space it probably doesn't really matter.
Brooks Andersen
2020-08-19 07:39:35 +0000 UTCBasically, it is a lot of hot air!
Frank
2020-08-19 07:37:18 +0000 UTCAlso, after the discussion about vaping, I bought a cheap mesh nebuliser from Amz, it aerosolises liquid into a fine mist using a piezo, much like the 'Optimist' fake fire smoke. The ever opportunistic are now selling these as disinfecting 'foggers', they work well but have a very limited range, ideal for fogging small items like a parcel or a set of keys.
The Tinkering Shed
2020-08-19 07:36:25 +0000 UTCI still have almost a full litre of BAC50 from making foaming hand sanitiser, that stuff goes a very long way, maybe I should de-moss my roof with it, anyone got a roof fogger I can borrow π
The Tinkering Shed
2020-08-19 07:32:02 +0000 UTCI always feel sorry for all these silver ions wandering around with missing electrons!
Dr Andy Hill
2020-08-19 07:30:11 +0000 UTCI understood only half of what you wrote, but I guess I don't wanna have such fog in my bedroom? I am wrong with that?
Peter Stimpel
2020-08-19 07:29:31 +0000 UTC